George Santos - Page 13

JoeMorgue · 25th January 2023, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Just checking: Are you responding to me?

I'm making a statement. If you feel the shoes fits, slip that sucker on.

Norman Alexander · 25th January 2023, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I'm making a statement. If you feel the shoes fits, slip that sucker on.

...

dudalb · 25th January 2023, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Avoiding the question. And the answer is: Yes they are elected. According to you. The voters have spoken, so in that person goes. Regardless of any flaws and factual evidence they qualify.

In fact, in the USA, dead people have been elected a few times. Now, I would have thought that being dead, a non-person if you will, disqualifies you from standing for and being elected to any government position. If you happen to be in an elected government position and die, you certainly cease to be in it any longer - it goes vacant. So it is passing strange that the very same condition that will automatically get you OUT of an elected position is no barrier to getting you IN to that same position. Not exactly logical nor sensible, don't you agree?

So now let's consider a situation closer to reality: A candidate in a lunatic asylum who is criminally insane. Let's check if they can stand for office in the USA: Citizen? Tick. Adult? Tick. ...and that's about it! Some feeble-minded fascist feces-flinger is considered "qualified" to stand for elected office. A good idea, in your view, that nobody gets told? Want them in your parliament? Perhaps if their true "situation" was known about beforehand then their prospects of success might change...?

By the way, the Burke quote is about AFTER they are elected, not before. It's not the subject of my argument.

Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office.

Norman Alexander · 25th January 2023, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office.

...most?? And the rest?

So, being dead, shouldn't that disqualify you from taking office? That election becomes null and void, and needs to be run again with qualifying candidates? Or does the dead person "take their seat"??

Should not also being a criminal? Being a criminal certainly prevents you from voting. And I understand the "general rule" is if you can't vote then you can't stand for office.

novaphile · 25th January 2023, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

...most?? And the rest?

So, being dead, shouldn't that disqualify you from taking office? That election becomes null and void, and needs to be run again with qualifying candidates? Or does the dead person "take their seat"??

Should not also being a criminal? Being a criminal certainly prevents you from voting. And I understand the "general rule" is if you can't vote then you can't stand for office.

This one is a big 'depends' depending on the type of seat and the jurisdiction, sometimes the party just appoints a replacement.

Skeptic Ginger · 25th January 2023, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Morally, logically, and philosophically you are correct.

Practically it would turn into politicians staying in "campaign" mode constantly, even more so then they already do.

At a certain point politicians have to be able to stop politic-ing and just do their actual jobs.

Also politicians have to be able to make unpopular decisions some times.

You balance those issues by making a recall difficult to do.

The way I see it, 'campaign mode' would be closer to doing what they say they are going to do—IOW less fake campaign promises.

Norman Alexander · 25th January 2023, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by novaphile

This one is a big 'depends' depending on the type of seat and the jurisdiction, sometimes the party just appoints a replacement.

Then the dead person doesn't "take their seat". Their election is void. That's the point. The reason they don't get seated is everyone knows they are friggin' dead! Likewise, everyone should know the truth about candidates before their election.

Same with Santos. It appears a distinct possibility that his election is void on quite a number of grounds. For example, as he is such a prolific liar, is his US citizenship assured? Anyone actually check? I wasn't joking previously when I said I should run for US congress. If a bog-basic check like assuring valid citizenship was never done for Santos, I'm gonna be good to go! And so is every two-bit international crook (I'm only a one-bit version) and charmless, scruple-free lobbyist. Heck, why not just give the Saudis a couple of seats gratis!

dann · 27th January 2023, 02:34 AM

The ex-boyfriend:
"What he always looked for was fame and power. That's all he cared about. ... And he got the thing of the lies and he got the power that he's in Congress now."

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I AGREE

He should fit right in ...

smartcooky · 27th January 2023, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office.

[aside]
One of those was Apollo 13 astronaut Jack Swigert; elected to the House from Colorado's 6th district in November 1982, but died from respiratory failure related to his cancer on December 27, seven days before the beginning of his congressional term.

Stacyhs · 27th January 2023, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by dann

The ex-boyfriend:
"What he always looked for was fame and power. That's all he cared about. ... And he got the thing of the lies and he got the power that he's in Congress now."

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I AGREE

He should fit right in ...

Trump finally has the son he always wanted.

dann · 28th January 2023, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Like superheroes, candidates tell an origin story, often times by describing their families.
See the evolution of lies in George Santos’s campaign biography (WP, Jan 27, 2023)

At least he believes in evolution ...

Norman Alexander · 28th January 2023, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by dann

At least he believes in evolution ...

But only when it's convenient.

Stacyhs · 28th January 2023, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by dann

At least he believes in evolution ...

When his great-great grandfather was Charles Darwin, he'd kind of have to.

shemp · 28th January 2023, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

When ~~his great-great grandfather~~ he was Charles Darwin, he'd kind of have to.

FTFY

Norman Alexander · 28th January 2023, 10:17 PM

Inside Santos' head:

novaphile · Yesterday, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Inside Santos' head:

Quote:

Oh my God. It's full of squirrels.

Weirdly enough, the forum software didn't allow the above.

It kept saying:

"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 2 characters."

mgidm86 · Yesterday, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Inside Santos' head:

Oh my God. It's full of squirrels.

ETA:
Worked for me

Upchurch · Yesterday, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by novaphile

Weirdly enough, the forum software didn't allow the above.

It kept saying:

"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 2 characters."

It doesn’t count characters inside of quote blocks as part of your message.

Ladewig · Yesterday, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office.

We live in a post-factual and post-shame world.

Surely I can’t be alone in thinking that before 2027 someone is going to try to
pull a Congressional “Weekend at Bernie’s”

Norman Alexander · Yesterday, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

We live in a post-factual and post-shame world.

Surely I can’t be alone in thinking that before 2027 someone is going to try to pull a Congressional “Weekend at Bernie’s”

That was pretty much where my train of argument was heading many posts above. If even being dead doesn't trigger a new election for a seat, then it's only a matter of time that some party is going to elect a whole graveyard of long-mouldering corpses to office and use their "votes by proxy" so that only a handful of party leaders run the whole show.

What needs to be federally mandated is that if any candidate, including before an election, becomes ineligible to stand then either their candidacy is terminated, or they immediately lose their seat and an by-election is required to fill it again. Ineligibility will include any conditions where that person is no longer permitted to vote in their state, such as serving a criminal sentence, being a foreigner, being dead, etc.

Ladewig · Yesterday, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Georgie claimed in a Brazilian podcast that he was the victim of an assassination attempt, a mugging, and that his home in Florida was vandalized because he's a Republican. None of it has been confirmed by any evidence:

Before asking any questions, they weren’t Black, they were even white, but they robbed me, took my briefcase, took my shoes and my watch.

“They were even white.”

So George, do bigotry much?

25th January 2023, 01:42 PM	#482
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,617	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue I'm making a statement. If you feel the shoes fits, slip that sucker on. ...
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25th January 2023, 02:22 PM	#483
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Avoiding the question. And the answer is: Yes they are elected. *According to you.* The voters have spoken, so in that person goes. Regardless of any flaws and factual evidence they qualify. In fact, in the USA, dead people have been elected a few times. Now, I would have thought that being dead, a non-person if you will, disqualifies you from standing for and being elected to any government position. If you happen to be in an elected government position and die, you certainly cease to be in it any longer - it goes vacant. So it is passing strange that the very same condition that will automatically get you OUT of an elected position is no barrier to getting you IN to that same position. Not exactly logical nor sensible, don't you agree? So now let's consider a situation closer to reality: A candidate in a lunatic asylum who is criminally insane. Let's check if they can stand for office in the USA: Citizen? Tick. Adult? Tick. ...and that's about it! Some feeble-minded fascist feces-flinger is considered "qualified" to stand for elected office. A good idea, in your view, that nobody gets told? Want them in your parliament? Perhaps if their true "situation" was known about beforehand then their prospects of success might change...? By the way, the Burke quote is about AFTER they are elected, not before. It's not the subject of my argument. Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office.
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25th January 2023, 02:28 PM	#484
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,617	Originally Posted by dudalb Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office. ...most?? And the rest? So, being dead, shouldn't that disqualify you from taking office? That election becomes null and void, and needs to be run again with qualifying candidates? Or does the dead person "take their seat"?? Should not also being a criminal? Being a criminal certainly prevents you from voting. And I understand the "general rule" is if you can't vote then you can't stand for office.
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25th January 2023, 02:33 PM	#485
novaphile Quester of Doglets Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sunny South Australia Posts: 3,991	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander ...most?? And the rest? So, being dead, shouldn't that disqualify you from taking office? That election becomes null and void, and needs to be run again with qualifying candidates? Or does the dead person "take their seat"?? Should not also being a criminal? Being a criminal certainly prevents you from voting. And I understand the "general rule" is if you can't vote then you can't stand for office. This one is a big 'depends' depending on the type of seat and the jurisdiction, sometimes the party just appoints a replacement.
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25th January 2023, 02:44 PM	#487
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,617	Originally Posted by novaphile This one is a big 'depends' depending on the type of seat and the jurisdiction, sometimes the party just appoints a replacement. Then the dead person doesn't "take their seat". Their election is void. That's the point. The reason they don't get seated is everyone knows they are friggin' dead! Likewise, everyone should know the truth about candidates before their election. Same with Santos. It appears a distinct possibility that his election is void on quite a number of grounds. For example, as he is such a prolific liar, is his US citizenship assured? Anyone actually check? I wasn't joking previously when I said I should run for US congress. If a bog-basic check like assuring valid citizenship was never done for Santos, I'm gonna be good to go! And so is every two-bit international crook (I'm only a one-bit version) and charmless, scruple-free lobbyist. Heck, why not just give the Saudis a couple of seats gratis!
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

25th January 2023, 01:34 PM	#481
JoeMorgue Suspended Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,380	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Just checking: Are you responding to me? I'm making a statement. If you feel the shoes fits, slip that sucker on.

25th January 2023, 02:43 PM	#486
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 92,991	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Morally, logically, and philosophically you are correct. Practically it would turn into politicians staying in "campaign" mode constantly, even more so then they already do. At a certain point politicians have to be able to stop politic-ing and just do their actual jobs. Also politicians have to be able to make unpopular decisions some times. You balance those issues by making a recall difficult to do. The way I see it, 'campaign mode' would be closer to doing what they say they are going to do—IOW less fake campaign promises.

27th January 2023, 03:49 AM	#489
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 22,868	Originally Posted by dudalb Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office. [aside] One of those was Apollo 13 astronaut Jack Swigert; elected to the House from Colorado's 6th district in November 1982, but died from respiratory failure related to his cancer on December 27, seven days before the beginning of his congressional term.
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28th January 2023, 02:19 AM	#491
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 16,964	Quote: Like superheroes, candidates tell an origin story, often times by describing their families. See the evolution of lies in George Santos’s campaign biography (WP, Jan 27, 2023) At least he believes in evolution ...
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28th January 2023, 01:05 PM	#492
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,617	Originally Posted by dann At least he believes in evolution ... But only when it's convenient.
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28th January 2023, 02:22 PM	#493
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	Originally Posted by dann At least he believes in evolution ... When his great-great grandfather was Charles Darwin, he'd kind of have to.

28th January 2023, 05:06 PM	#494
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 52,732	Originally Posted by Stacyhs When ~~his great-great grandfather~~ he was Charles Darwin, he'd kind of have to. FTFY
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28th January 2023, 10:17 PM	#495
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,617	Inside Santos' head:
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Yesterday, 04:36 PM	#496
novaphile Quester of Doglets Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sunny South Australia Posts: 3,991	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Inside Santos' head: Quote: Oh my God. It's full of squirrels. Weirdly enough, the forum software didn't allow the above. It kept saying: "The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 2 characters."
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Yesterday, 06:57 PM	#497
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,471	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Inside Santos' head: Oh my God. It's full of squirrels. ETA: Worked for me
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Yesterday, 08:10 PM	#498
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,429	Originally Posted by novaphile Weirdly enough, the forum software didn't allow the above. It kept saying: "The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 2 characters." It doesn’t count characters inside of quote blocks as part of your message.
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Yesterday, 08:13 PM	#499
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,708	Originally Posted by dudalb Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office. We live in a post-factual and post-shame world. Surely I can’t be alone in thinking that before 2027 someone is going to try to pull a Congressional “Weekend at Bernie’s”
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Yesterday, 08:28 PM	#500
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,617	Originally Posted by Ladewig We live in a post-factual and post-shame world. Surely I can’t be alone in thinking that before 2027 someone is going to try to pull a Congressional “Weekend at Bernie’s” That was pretty much where my train of argument was heading many posts above. If even being dead doesn't trigger a new election for a seat, then it's only a matter of time that some party is going to elect a whole graveyard of long-mouldering corpses to office and use their "votes by proxy" so that only a handful of party leaders run the whole show. What needs to be federally mandated is that if any candidate, including before an election, becomes ineligible to stand then either their candidacy is terminated, or they immediately lose their seat and an by-election is required to fill it again. Ineligibility will include any conditions where that person is no longer permitted to vote in their state, such as serving a criminal sentence, being a foreigner, being dead, etc.
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Yesterday, 09:19 PM	#501
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,708	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Georgie claimed in a Brazilian podcast that he was the victim of an assassination attempt, a mugging, and that his home in Florida was vandalized because he's a Republican. None of it has been confirmed by any evidence: Before asking any questions, they weren’t Black, they were even white, but they robbed me, took my briefcase, took my shoes and my watch. “They were even white.” So George, do bigotry much?
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