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Old 25th January 2023, 01:34 PM   #481
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Just checking: Are you responding to me?
I'm making a statement. If you feel the shoes fits, slip that sucker on.
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Old 25th January 2023, 01:42 PM   #482
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I'm making a statement. If you feel the shoes fits, slip that sucker on.
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Old 25th January 2023, 02:22 PM   #483
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Avoiding the question. And the answer is: Yes they are elected. According to you. The voters have spoken, so in that person goes. Regardless of any flaws and factual evidence they qualify.

In fact, in the USA, dead people have been elected a few times. Now, I would have thought that being dead, a non-person if you will, disqualifies you from standing for and being elected to any government position. If you happen to be in an elected government position and die, you certainly cease to be in it any longer - it goes vacant. So it is passing strange that the very same condition that will automatically get you OUT of an elected position is no barrier to getting you IN to that same position. Not exactly logical nor sensible, don't you agree?

So now let's consider a situation closer to reality: A candidate in a lunatic asylum who is criminally insane. Let's check if they can stand for office in the USA: Citizen? Tick. Adult? Tick. ...and that's about it! Some feeble-minded fascist feces-flinger is considered "qualified" to stand for elected office. A good idea, in your view, that nobody gets told? Want them in your parliament? Perhaps if their true "situation" was known about beforehand then their prospects of success might change...?

By the way, the Burke quote is about AFTER they are elected, not before. It's not the subject of my argument.
Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office.
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Old 25th January 2023, 02:28 PM   #484
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office.
...most?? And the rest?

So, being dead, shouldn't that disqualify you from taking office? That election becomes null and void, and needs to be run again with qualifying candidates? Or does the dead person "take their seat"??

Should not also being a criminal? Being a criminal certainly prevents you from voting. And I understand the "general rule" is if you can't vote then you can't stand for office.
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Old 25th January 2023, 02:33 PM   #485
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
...most?? And the rest?

So, being dead, shouldn't that disqualify you from taking office? That election becomes null and void, and needs to be run again with qualifying candidates? Or does the dead person "take their seat"??

Should not also being a criminal? Being a criminal certainly prevents you from voting. And I understand the "general rule" is if you can't vote then you can't stand for office.
This one is a big 'depends' depending on the type of seat and the jurisdiction, sometimes the party just appoints a replacement.
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Old 25th January 2023, 02:43 PM   #486
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Morally, logically, and philosophically you are correct.

Practically it would turn into politicians staying in "campaign" mode constantly, even more so then they already do.

At a certain point politicians have to be able to stop politic-ing and just do their actual jobs.

Also politicians have to be able to make unpopular decisions some times.
You balance those issues by making a recall difficult to do.

The way I see it, 'campaign mode' would be closer to doing what they say they are going to do—IOW less fake campaign promises.
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Old 25th January 2023, 02:44 PM   #487
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
This one is a big 'depends' depending on the type of seat and the jurisdiction, sometimes the party just appoints a replacement.
Then the dead person doesn't "take their seat". Their election is void. That's the point. The reason they don't get seated is everyone knows they are friggin' dead! Likewise, everyone should know the truth about candidates before their election.

Same with Santos. It appears a distinct possibility that his election is void on quite a number of grounds. For example, as he is such a prolific liar, is his US citizenship assured? Anyone actually check? I wasn't joking previously when I said I should run for US congress. If a bog-basic check like assuring valid citizenship was never done for Santos, I'm gonna be good to go! And so is every two-bit international crook (I'm only a one-bit version) and charmless, scruple-free lobbyist. Heck, why not just give the Saudis a couple of seats gratis!
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Old 27th January 2023, 02:34 AM   #488
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"What he always looked for was fame and power. That's all he cared about. ... And he got the thing of the lies and he got the power that he's in Congress now."

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He should fit right in ...
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Old 27th January 2023, 03:49 AM   #489
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office.
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One of those was Apollo 13 astronaut Jack Swigert; elected to the House from Colorado's 6th district in November 1982, but died from respiratory failure related to his cancer on December 27, seven days before the beginning of his congressional term.
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Old 27th January 2023, 06:50 PM   #490
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
The ex-boyfriend:
"What he always looked for was fame and power. That's all he cared about. ... And he got the thing of the lies and he got the power that he's in Congress now."

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He should fit right in ...
Trump finally has the son he always wanted.
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Old 28th January 2023, 02:19 AM   #491
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Like superheroes, candidates tell an origin story, often times by describing their families.
See the evolution of lies in George Santos’s campaign biography (WP, Jan 27, 2023)
At least he believes in evolution ...
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Old 28th January 2023, 01:05 PM   #492
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At least he believes in evolution ...
But only when it's convenient.
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Old 28th January 2023, 02:22 PM   #493
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At least he believes in evolution ...
When his great-great grandfather was Charles Darwin, he'd kind of have to.
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Old 28th January 2023, 05:06 PM   #494
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When his great-great grandfather he was Charles Darwin, he'd kind of have to.
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Old 28th January 2023, 10:17 PM   #495
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Inside Santos' head:

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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Inside Santos' head:

Quote:
Oh my God. It's full of squirrels.

Weirdly enough, the forum software didn't allow the above.

It kept saying:

"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 2 characters."
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Inside Santos' head:

Oh my God. It's full of squirrels.


ETA:
Worked for me
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
Weirdly enough, the forum software didn't allow the above.

It kept saying:

"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 2 characters."
It doesn’t count characters inside of quote blocks as part of your message.
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Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office.
We live in a post-factual and post-shame world.

Surely I can’t be alone in thinking that before 2027 someone is going to try to
pull a Congressional “Weekend at Bernie’s”
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We live in a post-factual and post-shame world.

Surely I can’t be alone in thinking that before 2027 someone is going to try to pull a Congressional “Weekend at Bernie’s”
That was pretty much where my train of argument was heading many posts above. If even being dead doesn't trigger a new election for a seat, then it's only a matter of time that some party is going to elect a whole graveyard of long-mouldering corpses to office and use their "votes by proxy" so that only a handful of party leaders run the whole show.

What needs to be federally mandated is that if any candidate, including before an election, becomes ineligible to stand then either their candidacy is terminated, or they immediately lose their seat and an by-election is required to fill it again. Ineligibility will include any conditions where that person is no longer permitted to vote in their state, such as serving a criminal sentence, being a foreigner, being dead, etc.
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Georgie claimed in a Brazilian podcast that he was the victim of an assassination attempt, a mugging, and that his home in Florida was vandalized because he's a Republican. None of it has been confirmed by any evidence:
Before asking any questions, they weren’t Black, they were even white, but they robbed me, took my briefcase, took my shoes and my watch.
“They were even white.”

So George, do bigotry much?
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