[Merged] The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah - Page 12

hurdygurdy · 5th February 2018, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Iranian and Arab countries live close to the teachings of the false Torah and the false Injils.

In contrast, the Western world is living closer to the Qur'an's teachings.

I guess that when you say "the Western World" you really mean "inside my head".

Thor 2 · 5th February 2018, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Iranian and Arab countries live close to the teachings of the false Torah and the false Injils.

In contrast, the Western world is living closer to the Qur'an's teachings.

OK so the Western World, where the influence of the Quran is minimal, manages to live closer to it's teachings, than parts of the World where the influence of the Quran is highest???

The influence of the Quran and the prophet Muhammad is negative ....... yes?

Scorpion · 5th February 2018, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Scorpion

وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا

Can anyone other that Emre read Arabic? If so please translate the above.
It is the Quran surah 79.30

I just used a translator to translate the above verse and it said.

"and the earth after that spread" (notice the word egg does not appear)

http://www.etranslator.ro/arabic-eng...translator.php

Scorpion · 5th February 2018, 01:53 PM

The following is a list of forty translations of the Quran surah 79.30

http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/79/30/default.htm

As can be seen most of them say the same approximate thing as the translator I used in my last post 443. Only a few cranky translation use the word egg. The Rashad Kalifa translation is known to be full of falsehood, and the other translations that use the word egg are probably just as distorted or falsified.

In other word verse 79.30 simply confirms all the other verses that speak of the earth and they say it is FLAT. (spread out)

Emre_1974tr · 5th February 2018, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

30- He made the earth egg-shaped
(79- The Snatchers, 30)

The Arabic word “dahw” means rotundity like that of the ostrich’s egg. The above verse was also interpreted to refer to the shaping of the earth in the form of an ostrich egg. Prof. Dr. Süleyman Ateş, former head of Religious Affairs in Turkey, gives the following definition of the word, based on the famous Arabic dictionary Lisan u’l Arab: “The word ‘dahw’ means to spread out, giving (something) a round shape.” Derived from the same stem, the word “medahi” referred to round stones. Despite the meaning of rotundity concealed in words derived from the word “dahw” there have been translators for whom a spherical earth was difficult to conceive, who had to translate it as “to spread out.” The actual shape of the earth does have the shape of an ostrich egg. Thus the shape of the earth is spheroid with depressions at the poles. The exact figure of the earth which had posed a problem throughout history was pointed out by the Quran, 1400 years ago.

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/

***

And:

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/

Regards

30- He made the earth egg-shaped
(79- The Snatchers, 30)

That's the truth.

It doesn't matter what people write.

The Qur'an says the world is shaped like an egg.

He also says it's not a rajm penalty.

Bring millions of wrong translations. It doesn't matter.

When you look at the original verses in Arabic, you see the truth.

Scorpion · 5th February 2018, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

30- He made the earth egg-shaped
(79- The Snatchers, 30)

That's the truth.

It doesn't matter what people write.

The Qur'an says the world is shaped like an egg.

He also says it's not a rajm penalty.

Bring millions of wrong translations. It doesn't matter.

When you look at the original verses in Arabic, you see the truth.

The word you posted 'dahw' does not appear in Arabic transliteration.
It does not translate to 'egg'

I am beginning to think you are a liar, and you know full well the Quran says the earth is flat.

Emre_1974tr · 5th February 2018, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Thor 2

OK so the Western World,

?

No, It's the exact opposite.

Scorpion · 5th February 2018, 03:22 PM

Here is the word 'dahw' and it translates a 'spread out', not egg.

http://en.wikishia.net/view/Dahw_al-Ard

Emre_1974tr · 5th February 2018, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

30- He made the earth egg-shaped
(79- The Snatchers, 30)

That's the truth.

It doesn't matter what people write.

The Qur'an says the world is shaped like an egg.

He also says it's not a rajm penalty.

Bring millions of wrong translations. It doesn't matter.

When you look at the original verses in Arabic, you see the truth.

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/earth.htm

Edited by zooterkin:

<SNIP>
Edited for rule 0 and rule 12.

Emre_1974tr · 5th February 2018, 03:40 PM

And, ask people whose native language is Arabic.

You can easily reach the truth.

Scorpion · 5th February 2018, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Edited by zooterkin:

<SNIP>
Edited for rule 0 and rule 12.

Here are two more pages of Arabic translations that say the verse does not use the word egg, but says the earth is spread out.

http://quranx.com/Tafsirs/79.30

http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.j...er=79&verse=30

Scorpion · 5th February 2018, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

And, Ask people whose native language is Arabic.

If you are a native Arabic speaker you must know from my last posts that the Arabic for 79.30 does not use the word egg.

RecoveringYuppy · 5th February 2018, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

And, ask people whose native language is Arabic.

I work with 3 native Arabic speakers who say you are wrong (One Saudi, 2 Qatari). Are you a native Arabic speaker yourself?

Emre_1974tr · 5th February 2018, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

30- He made the earth egg-shaped
(79- The Snatchers, 30)

The Arabic word “dahw” means rotundity like that of the ostrich’s egg. The above verse was also interpreted to refer to the shaping of the earth in the form of an ostrich egg. Prof. Dr. Süleyman Ateş, former head of Religious Affairs in Turkey, gives the following definition of the word, based on the famous Arabic dictionary Lisan u’l Arab: “The word ‘dahw’ means to spread out, giving (something) a round shape.” Derived from the same stem, the word “medahi” referred to round stones. Despite the meaning of rotundity concealed in words derived from the word “dahw” there have been translators for whom a spherical earth was difficult to conceive, who had to translate it as “to spread out.” The actual shape of the earth does have the shape of an ostrich egg. Thus the shape of the earth is spheroid with depressions at the poles. The exact figure of the earth which had posed a problem throughout history was pointed out by the Quran, 1400 years ago.

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/

***

And:

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/

And

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/earth.htm

Regards

And:

https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/

Scorpion · 5th February 2018, 03:55 PM

Just exactly how does a word you now admit says 'to spread out' , give something a round shape?

Here is a line from your post 454
“The word ‘dahw’ means to spread out, giving (something) a round shape.”

Thor 2 · 5th February 2018, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

No, It's the exact opposite.

But that is what you said:

Quote:

In contrast, the Western world is living closer to the Qur'an's teachings.

Scorpion · 5th February 2018, 04:13 PM

Verse (79:30), Word 4 - Quranic Grammar
The fourth word of verse (79:30) is divided into 2 morphological segments. A verb and object pronoun. The perfect verb (فعل ماض) is third person masculine singular. The verb's triliteral root is dāl ḥā wāw (د ح و). The attached object pronoun is third person feminine singular.

Chapter (79) sūrat l-nāziʿāt (Those who Pull Out)

(79:30:4)
daḥāhā
He spread it.

Emre_1974tr · 5th February 2018, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

I work with 3 native Arabic speakers who say you are wrong (One Saudi, 2 Qatari). Are you a native Arabic speaker yourself?

I'm talking with more people.

Ask them the following paragraphs:

"The Arabic word “dahw” means rotundity like that of the ostrich’s egg. The above verse was also interpreted to refer to the shaping of the earth in the form of an ostrich egg. Prof. Dr. Süleyman Ateş, former head of Religious Affairs in Turkey, gives the following definition of the word, based on the famous Arabic dictionary Lisan u’l Arab: “The word ‘dahw’ means to spread out, giving (something) a round shape.” Derived from the same stem, the word “medahi” referred to round stones. Despite the meaning of rotundity concealed in words derived from the word “dahw” there have been translators for whom a spherical earth was difficult to conceive, who had to translate it as “to spread out.” The actual shape of the earth does have the shape of an ostrich egg. Thus the shape of the earth is spheroid with depressions at the poles. The exact figure of the earth which had posed a problem throughout history was pointed out by the Quran, 1400 years ago."

and:

"Now, in the above, the verb daḥā – which literally means spread out, unfolded or unrolled – shares common origin with its cognates, like dahw (to unroll), dahraja (to roll), midhan (roller), dahya (egg), dahaha (ostrich-egg), udhiya (ostrich-nest), dahal (marble) and almadahi (round stone, round object). All these undertones of ‘daḥā’, all indicating some rolling or roundness of a spheroid or a rounded egg, make some exegetists perceive the word as a reference to the actual geo-spherical shape of the Earth – an oblate spheroid with slightly squished poles, i.e. an almost perfect sphere. While the Earth originated as a ‘cosmic egg’ shooting out probably from a spinning, solar nebula, even in its present state it is ellipsoid (oval) in form, loosely resembling a rounded egg. Moreover, structurally similar to a rounded egg, made of three layers (shell, white and yolk), the Earth itself is made of three geological layers (crust, mantle and core)."

And:

https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/

Emre_1974tr · 5th February 2018, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by Thor 2

But that is what you said:

Yes. Shall I repeat all my writings again?

Iran and the Arab countries are in many respects the most distant countries in the Qur'an and therefore suffer.

If you read all my writings together, you'll see what I tell you.

RecoveringYuppy · 5th February 2018, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Ask them the following paragraphs:

No, I don't need to bother them with this anymore.

Emre_1974tr · 5th February 2018, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

No, I don't need to bother them with this anymore.

Why, don't your imaginary friends come back?

Nay_Sayer · 5th February 2018, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Why, don't your imaginary friends come back?

You tell me you're the one praying to an invisible sky genie.

RecoveringYuppy · 5th February 2018, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Why, don't your imaginary friends come back?

Different reason than the reason your friends don't even exist.

Thor 2 · 5th February 2018, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Yes. Shall I repeat all my writings again?

Iran and the Arab countries are in many respects the most distant countries in the Qur'an and therefore suffer.

If you read all my writings together, you'll see what I tell you.

Oh I see. Although you said:

Quote:

In contrast, the Western world is living closer to the Qur'an's teachings.

In a recent posting, you said something else earlier on, so I should ignore this and look at what you said then. Silly me.

hurdygurdy · 6th February 2018, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

30- He made the earth egg-shaped
(79- The Snatchers, 30)

That's the truth.

It doesn't matter what people write.

The Qur'an says the world is shaped like an egg.

It doesn't matter what you think the Qur'an says.

- Fact number one: the Earth is not shaped like an egg.
- Fact number two: Eratosthenes proved the real shape of the Earth nine centuries before the Qur'an was written.

Scorpion · 6th February 2018, 12:39 AM

(79:30:1)
wal-arḍa
And the earth CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and)
N – accusative feminine noun → Earth
الواو عاطفة
اسم منصوب

(79:30:2)
baʿda
after T – accusative time adverb
ظرف زمان منصوب

(79:30:3)
dhālika
that DEM – masculine singular demonstrative pronoun
اسم اشارة

(79:30:4)
daḥāhā
He spread it. V – 3rd person masculine singular perfect verb
PRON – 3rd person feminine singular object pronoun
فعل ماض و«ها» ضمير متصل في محل نصب مفعول به

Scorpion · 6th February 2018, 01:01 AM

according to the google translator, the following is the Arabic for egg, and it does not appear in verse 79.30

بيضة

Scorpion · 6th February 2018, 01:05 AM

The Arabic below is quran verse 79.30

وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا

Scorpion · 6th February 2018, 01:21 AM

http://www.etranslator.ro/arabic-eng...translator.php

the above translator gives the following for the Arabic verse in post 468

And the earth after that spread

Scorpion · 6th February 2018, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

I'm talking with more people.

Ask them the following paragraphs:

"The Arabic word “dahw” means rotundity like that of the ostrich’s egg. The above verse was also interpreted to refer to the shaping of the earth in the form of an ostrich egg. Prof. Dr. Süleyman Ateş, former head of Religious Affairs in Turkey, gives the following definition of the word, based on the famous Arabic dictionary Lisan u’l Arab: “The word ‘dahw’ means to spread out, giving (something) a round shape.” Derived from the same stem, the word “medahi” referred to round stones. Despite the meaning of rotundity concealed in words derived from the word “dahw” there have been translators for whom a spherical earth was difficult to conceive, who had to translate it as “to spread out.” The actual shape of the earth does have the shape of an ostrich egg. Thus the shape of the earth is spheroid with depressions at the poles. The exact figure of the earth which had posed a problem throughout history was pointed out by the Quran, 1400 years ago."

and:

"Now, in the above, the verb daḥā – which literally means spread out, unfolded or unrolled – shares common origin with its cognates, like dahw (to unroll), dahraja (to roll), midhan (roller), dahya (egg), dahaha (ostrich-egg), udhiya (ostrich-nest), dahal (marble) and almadahi (round stone, round object). All these undertones of ‘daḥā’, all indicating some rolling or roundness of a spheroid or a rounded egg, make some exegetists perceive the word as a reference to the actual geo-spherical shape of the Earth – an oblate spheroid with slightly squished poles, i.e. an almost perfect sphere. While the Earth originated as a ‘cosmic egg’ shooting out probably from a spinning, solar nebula, even in its present state it is ellipsoid (oval) in form, loosely resembling a rounded egg. Moreover, structurally similar to a rounded egg, made of three layers (shell, white and yolk), the Earth itself is made of three geological layers (crust, mantle and core)."

And:

https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/

The above text says ' it has been interpreted'. But it was probably interpreted by some quack. It also says 'he word ‘dahw’ means to spread out'

Which does not mean it is round. In any case there is nothing about ostrich eggs in the text of 79.30

Emre_1974tr · 6th February 2018, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

30- He made the earth egg-shaped
(79- The Snatchers, 30)

The Arabic word “dahw” means rotundity like that of the ostrich’s egg. The above verse was also interpreted to refer to the shaping of the earth in the form of an ostrich egg. Prof. Dr. Süleyman Ateş, former head of Religious Affairs in Turkey, gives the following definition of the word, based on the famous Arabic dictionary Lisan u’l Arab: “The word ‘dahw’ means to spread out, giving (something) a round shape.” Derived from the same stem, the word “medahi” referred to round stones. Despite the meaning of rotundity concealed in words derived from the word “dahw” there have been translators for whom a spherical earth was difficult to conceive, who had to translate it as “to spread out.” The actual shape of the earth does have the shape of an ostrich egg. Thus the shape of the earth is spheroid with depressions at the poles. The exact figure of the earth which had posed a problem throughout history was pointed out by the Quran, 1400 years ago.

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/

***

And:

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/

Regards

The Qur'an clearly says the Earth is the sphere.

Why are there mistakes in the some translations? Because interpreters often believe in the teachings of Hadith, sect and Sufism. And these teachings are also influenced by the false Torah and the False Injil.

Looking at the original verses, you see the truth.

The fake Injils and the false Torah say the world is flat.

The Quran says it is a sphere/egg form.

Therefore, do not deceive yourself with translations and interpretations that are made according to the hadith and sectarian religions on the Internet.

Emre_1974tr · 6th February 2018, 03:36 AM

Not only about the shape of the world, but in many subjects, interpreters have made erroneous translations in the influence of the hadith, sect and Sufism teachings.

Rajm, headscarf, circumcising children, believing in the straight /flat Earth, staying away from wealth, beliefs to holy people, souls from false Torah and false Injils.

But the effects of the hadith and sectarian religions translate them as if they existed in Islam in the Internet world.

The Qur'an tells the opposite.

https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/

hurdygurdy · 6th February 2018, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Qur'an clearly says the Earth is the sphere.

Why are there mistakes in the some translations? Because interpreters often believe in the teachings of Hadith, sect and Sufism. And these teachings are also influenced by the false Torah and the False Injil.

Looking at the original verses, you see the truth.

The fake Injils and the false Torah say the world is flat.

The Quran says it is a sphere/egg form.

Therefore, do not deceive yourself with translations and interpretations that are made according to the hadith and sectarian religions on the Internet.

Scorpion · 6th February 2018, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The Qur'an clearly says the Earth is the sphere.
Looking at the original verses, you see the truth.

You have completely ignored the contents of my last few posts, which clearly show the Arabic of verse 79.30 does not mention the word 'egg'

halleyscomet · 6th February 2018, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

And:

https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/

Why are you still yammering on about the shape of the Earth? You've already proven the Koran is WRONG about the shape of the Earth. You've even demonstrated it gets the shape of the Earth wrong in different ways in various passages.

We get it. Muhammad knew jack squat about the shape of the Earth. Do you really need to keep preaching about the various ways Muhammad got it wrong?

Scorpion · 6th February 2018, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

Why are you still yammering on about the shape of the Earth? You've already proven the Koran is WRONG about the shape of the Earth. You've even demonstrated it gets the shape of the Earth wrong in different ways in various passages.

We get it. Muhammad knew jack squat about the shape of the Earth. Do you really need to keep preaching about the various ways Muhammad got it wrong?

Emre is stuck with trying to defend his position. Which is he either lies deliberately about what the Quran says about the shape of the earth. Or he has brought into the lies of Imams who certainly know the Quran says the earth is spread out, meaning it is flat. But they cannot admit such things because the Quran is supposed to be the perfect words of God.

RecoveringYuppy · 6th February 2018, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by hurdygurdy

- Fact number two: Eratosthenes proved the real shape of the Earth nine centuries before the Qur'an was written.

Close enough for this thread, but actually Eratosthenes didn't prove that. It was known before his time and we don't actually know who first figured out that Earth was a sphere. That doesn't help Emre though.

Emre_1974tr · 6th February 2018, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Scorpion

You have completely ignored the contents of my last few posts, which clearly sh

On the contrary, I answered and prove it. You're ignoring it. You're repeating your lies like a Robot. There's no other choice to take your salary, of course.

We once repeat, the Qur'an says the world is shaped like a sphere/egg.

30- He made the earth egg-shaped
(79- The Snatchers, 30)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/

Emre_1974tr · 6th February 2018, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Thor 2

But that is what you said:

Yes, I said.

halleyscomet · 6th February 2018, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

There's no other choice to take your salary, of course.

What are you talking about?

Are you drunk again?

5th February 2018, 01:10 PM	#442
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tiny town west of Brisbane. Posts: 7,155	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Iranian and Arab countries live close to the teachings of the false Torah and the false Injils. In contrast, the Western world is living closer to the Qur'an's teachings. OK so the Western World, where the influence of the Quran is minimal, manages to live closer to it's teachings, than parts of the World where the influence of the Quran is highest??? The influence of the Quran and the prophet Muhammad is negative ....... yes?
	__________________ Thinking is a faith hazard.

5th February 2018, 01:29 PM	#443
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	Originally Posted by Scorpion وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا Can anyone other that Emre read Arabic? If so please translate the above. It is the Quran surah 79.30 I just used a translator to translate the above verse and it said. "and the earth after that spread" (notice the word egg does not appear) http://www.etranslator.ro/arabic-eng...translator.php
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	__________________ You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy

5th February 2018, 01:53 PM	#444
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	The following is a list of forty translations of the Quran surah 79.30 http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/79/30/default.htm As can be seen most of them say the same approximate thing as the translator I used in my last post 443. Only a few cranky translation use the word egg. The Rashad Kalifa translation is known to be full of falsehood, and the other translations that use the word egg are probably just as distorted or falsified. In other word verse 79.30 simply confirms all the other verses that speak of the earth and they say it is FLAT. (spread out)
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	__________________ You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy

5th February 2018, 03:06 PM	#446
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr 30- He made the earth egg-shaped (79- The Snatchers, 30) That's the truth. It doesn't matter what people write. The Qur'an says the world is shaped like an egg. He also says it's not a rajm penalty. Bring millions of wrong translations. It doesn't matter. When you look at the original verses in Arabic, you see the truth. The word you posted 'dahw' does not appear in Arabic transliteration. It does not translate to 'egg' I am beginning to think you are a liar, and you know full well the Quran says the earth is flat.
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	__________________ You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy

5th February 2018, 03:22 PM	#448
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	Here is the word 'dahw' and it translates a 'spread out', not egg. http://en.wikishia.net/view/Dahw_al-Ard
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	__________________ You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy

5th February 2018, 03:19 AM	#441
hurdygurdy Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Spain Posts: 319	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Iranian and Arab countries live close to the teachings of the false Torah and the false Injils. In contrast, the Western world is living closer to the Qur'an's teachings. I guess that when you say "the Western World" you really mean "inside my head".

5th February 2018, 02:50 PM	#445
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr 30- He made the earth egg-shaped (79- The Snatchers, 30) The Arabic word “dahw” means rotundity like that of the ostrich’s egg. The above verse was also interpreted to refer to the shaping of the earth in the form of an ostrich egg. Prof. Dr. Süleyman Ateş, former head of Religious Affairs in Turkey, gives the following definition of the word, based on the famous Arabic dictionary Lisan u’l Arab: “The word ‘dahw’ means to spread out, giving (something) a round shape.” Derived from the same stem, the word “medahi” referred to round stones. Despite the meaning of rotundity concealed in words derived from the word “dahw” there have been translators for whom a spherical earth was difficult to conceive, who had to translate it as “to spread out.” The actual shape of the earth does have the shape of an ostrich egg. Thus the shape of the earth is spheroid with depressions at the poles. The exact figure of the earth which had posed a problem throughout history was pointed out by the Quran, 1400 years ago. http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/ *** And: http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/ Regards 30- He made the earth egg-shaped (79- The Snatchers, 30) That's the truth. It doesn't matter what people write. The Qur'an says the world is shaped like an egg. He also says it's not a rajm penalty. Bring millions of wrong translations. It doesn't matter. When you look at the original verses in Arabic, you see the truth.

5th February 2018, 03:15 PM	#447
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by Thor 2 OK so the Western World, ? No, It's the exact opposite.

5th February 2018, 03:40 PM	#450
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	And, ask people whose native language is Arabic. You can easily reach the truth.
	Last edited by Emre_1974tr; 5th February 2018 at 03:41 PM.

5th February 2018, 03:43 PM	#452
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr And, Ask people whose native language is Arabic. If you are a native Arabic speaker you must know from my last posts that the Arabic for 79.30 does not use the word egg.
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	__________________ You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy

5th February 2018, 03:47 PM	#453
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 14,185	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr And, ask people whose native language is Arabic. I work with 3 native Arabic speakers who say you are wrong (One Saudi, 2 Qatari). Are you a native Arabic speaker yourself?

5th February 2018, 03:48 PM	#454
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr 30- He made the earth egg-shaped (79- The Snatchers, 30) The Arabic word “dahw” means rotundity like that of the ostrich’s egg. The above verse was also interpreted to refer to the shaping of the earth in the form of an ostrich egg. Prof. Dr. Süleyman Ateş, former head of Religious Affairs in Turkey, gives the following definition of the word, based on the famous Arabic dictionary Lisan u’l Arab: “The word ‘dahw’ means to spread out, giving (something) a round shape.” Derived from the same stem, the word “medahi” referred to round stones. Despite the meaning of rotundity concealed in words derived from the word “dahw” there have been translators for whom a spherical earth was difficult to conceive, who had to translate it as “to spread out.” The actual shape of the earth does have the shape of an ostrich egg. Thus the shape of the earth is spheroid with depressions at the poles. The exact figure of the earth which had posed a problem throughout history was pointed out by the Quran, 1400 years ago. http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/ *** And: http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/ And http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/earth.htm Regards And: https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/

5th February 2018, 03:55 PM	#455
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	Just exactly how does a word you now admit says 'to spread out' , give something a round shape? Here is a line from your post 454 “The word ‘dahw’ means to spread out, giving (something) a round shape.”
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5th February 2018, 04:00 PM	#456
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tiny town west of Brisbane. Posts: 7,155	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr No, It's the exact opposite. But that is what you said: Quote: In contrast, the Western world is living closer to the Qur'an's teachings.
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5th February 2018, 04:13 PM	#457
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	Verse (79:30), Word 4 - Quranic Grammar The fourth word of verse (79:30) is divided into 2 morphological segments. A verb and object pronoun. The perfect verb (فعل ماض) is third person masculine singular. The verb's triliteral root is dāl ḥā wāw (د ح و). The attached object pronoun is third person feminine singular. Chapter (79) sūrat l-nāziʿāt (Those who Pull Out) (79:30:4) daḥāhā He spread it.
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5th February 2018, 04:44 PM	#458
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy I work with 3 native Arabic speakers who say you are wrong (One Saudi, 2 Qatari). Are you a native Arabic speaker yourself? I'm talking with more people. Ask them the following paragraphs: "The Arabic word “dahw” means rotundity like that of the ostrich’s egg. The above verse was also interpreted to refer to the shaping of the earth in the form of an ostrich egg. Prof. Dr. Süleyman Ateş, former head of Religious Affairs in Turkey, gives the following definition of the word, based on the famous Arabic dictionary Lisan u’l Arab: “The word ‘dahw’ means to spread out, giving (something) a round shape.” Derived from the same stem, the word “medahi” referred to round stones. Despite the meaning of rotundity concealed in words derived from the word “dahw” there have been translators for whom a spherical earth was difficult to conceive, who had to translate it as “to spread out.” The actual shape of the earth does have the shape of an ostrich egg. Thus the shape of the earth is spheroid with depressions at the poles. The exact figure of the earth which had posed a problem throughout history was pointed out by the Quran, 1400 years ago." and: "Now, in the above, the verb daḥā – which literally means spread out, unfolded or unrolled – shares common origin with its cognates, like dahw (to unroll), dahraja (to roll), midhan (roller), dahya (egg), dahaha (ostrich-egg), udhiya (ostrich-nest), dahal (marble) and almadahi (round stone, round object). All these undertones of ‘daḥā’, all indicating some rolling or roundness of a spheroid or a rounded egg, make some exegetists perceive the word as a reference to the actual geo-spherical shape of the Earth – an oblate spheroid with slightly squished poles, i.e. an almost perfect sphere. While the Earth originated as a ‘cosmic egg’ shooting out probably from a spinning, solar nebula, even in its present state it is ellipsoid (oval) in form, loosely resembling a rounded egg. Moreover, structurally similar to a rounded egg, made of three layers (shell, white and yolk), the Earth itself is made of three geological layers (crust, mantle and core)." And: https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/

5th February 2018, 04:52 PM	#459
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by Thor 2 But that is what you said: Yes. Shall I repeat all my writings again? Iran and the Arab countries are in many respects the most distant countries in the Qur'an and therefore suffer. If you read all my writings together, you'll see what I tell you.

5th February 2018, 05:08 PM	#460
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 14,185	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Ask them the following paragraphs: No, I don't need to bother them with this anymore.

5th February 2018, 05:17 PM	#461
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy No, I don't need to bother them with this anymore. Why, don't your imaginary friends come back?

5th February 2018, 06:46 PM	#462
Nay_Sayer I say nay! Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 3,892	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Why, don't your imaginary friends come back? You tell me you're the one praying to an invisible sky genie.
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5th February 2018, 08:59 PM	#463
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 14,185	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Why, don't your imaginary friends come back? Different reason than the reason your friends don't even exist.
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5th February 2018, 10:19 PM	#464
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tiny town west of Brisbane. Posts: 7,155	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Yes. Shall I repeat all my writings again? Iran and the Arab countries are in many respects the most distant countries in the Qur'an and therefore suffer. If you read all my writings together, you'll see what I tell you. Oh I see. Although you said: Quote: In contrast, the Western world is living closer to the Qur'an's teachings. In a recent posting, you said something else earlier on, so I should ignore this and look at what you said then. Silly me.
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6th February 2018, 12:06 AM	#465
hurdygurdy Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Spain Posts: 319	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr 30- He made the earth egg-shaped (79- The Snatchers, 30) That's the truth. It doesn't matter what people write. The Qur'an says the world is shaped like an egg. It doesn't matter what you think the Qur'an says. - Fact number one: the Earth is not shaped like an egg. - Fact number two: Eratosthenes proved the real shape of the Earth nine centuries before the Qur'an was written.
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6th February 2018, 12:39 AM	#466
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	(79:30:1) wal-arḍa And the earth CONJ – prefixed conjunction wa (and) N – accusative feminine noun → Earth الواو عاطفة اسم منصوب (79:30:2) baʿda after T – accusative time adverb ظرف زمان منصوب (79:30:3) dhālika that DEM – masculine singular demonstrative pronoun اسم اشارة (79:30:4) daḥāhā He spread it. V – 3rd person masculine singular perfect verb PRON – 3rd person feminine singular object pronoun فعل ماض و«ها» ضمير متصل في محل نصب مفعول به
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6th February 2018, 01:01 AM	#467
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	according to the google translator, the following is the Arabic for egg, and it does not appear in verse 79.30 بيضة
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6th February 2018, 01:05 AM	#468
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	The Arabic below is quran verse 79.30 وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا
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6th February 2018, 01:21 AM	#469
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	http://www.etranslator.ro/arabic-eng...translator.php the above translator gives the following for the Arabic verse in post 468 And the earth after that spread
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6th February 2018, 01:28 AM	#470
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr I'm talking with more people. Ask them the following paragraphs: "The Arabic word “dahw” means rotundity like that of the ostrich’s egg. The above verse was also interpreted to refer to the shaping of the earth in the form of an ostrich egg. Prof. Dr. Süleyman Ateş, former head of Religious Affairs in Turkey, gives the following definition of the word, based on the famous Arabic dictionary Lisan u’l Arab: “The word ‘dahw’ means to spread out, giving (something) a round shape.” Derived from the same stem, the word “medahi” referred to round stones. Despite the meaning of rotundity concealed in words derived from the word “dahw” there have been translators for whom a spherical earth was difficult to conceive, who had to translate it as “to spread out.” The actual shape of the earth does have the shape of an ostrich egg. Thus the shape of the earth is spheroid with depressions at the poles. The exact figure of the earth which had posed a problem throughout history was pointed out by the Quran, 1400 years ago." and: "Now, in the above, the verb daḥā – which literally means spread out, unfolded or unrolled – shares common origin with its cognates, like dahw (to unroll), dahraja (to roll), midhan (roller), dahya (egg), dahaha (ostrich-egg), udhiya (ostrich-nest), dahal (marble) and almadahi (round stone, round object). All these undertones of ‘daḥā’, all indicating some rolling or roundness of a spheroid or a rounded egg, make some exegetists perceive the word as a reference to the actual geo-spherical shape of the Earth – an oblate spheroid with slightly squished poles, i.e. an almost perfect sphere. While the Earth originated as a ‘cosmic egg’ shooting out probably from a spinning, solar nebula, even in its present state it is ellipsoid (oval) in form, loosely resembling a rounded egg. Moreover, structurally similar to a rounded egg, made of three layers (shell, white and yolk), the Earth itself is made of three geological layers (crust, mantle and core)." And: https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/ The above text says ' it has been interpreted'. But it was probably interpreted by some quack. It also says 'he word ‘dahw’ means to spread out' Which does not mean it is round. In any case there is nothing about ostrich eggs in the text of 79.30
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6th February 2018, 03:30 AM	#471
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr 30- He made the earth egg-shaped (79- The Snatchers, 30) The Arabic word “dahw” means rotundity like that of the ostrich’s egg. The above verse was also interpreted to refer to the shaping of the earth in the form of an ostrich egg. Prof. Dr. Süleyman Ateş, former head of Religious Affairs in Turkey, gives the following definition of the word, based on the famous Arabic dictionary Lisan u’l Arab: “The word ‘dahw’ means to spread out, giving (something) a round shape.” Derived from the same stem, the word “medahi” referred to round stones. Despite the meaning of rotundity concealed in words derived from the word “dahw” there have been translators for whom a spherical earth was difficult to conceive, who had to translate it as “to spread out.” The actual shape of the earth does have the shape of an ostrich egg. Thus the shape of the earth is spheroid with depressions at the poles. The exact figure of the earth which had posed a problem throughout history was pointed out by the Quran, 1400 years ago. http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/ *** And: http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/ Regards The Qur'an clearly says the Earth is the sphere. Why are there mistakes in the some translations? Because interpreters often believe in the teachings of Hadith, sect and Sufism. And these teachings are also influenced by the false Torah and the False Injil. Looking at the original verses, you see the truth. The fake Injils and the false Torah say the world is flat. The Quran says it is a sphere/egg form. Therefore, do not deceive yourself with translations and interpretations that are made according to the hadith and sectarian religions on the Internet.

6th February 2018, 03:36 AM	#472
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Not only about the shape of the world, but in many subjects, interpreters have made erroneous translations in the influence of the hadith, sect and Sufism teachings. Rajm, headscarf, circumcising children, believing in the straight /flat Earth, staying away from wealth, beliefs to holy people, souls from false Torah and false Injils. But the effects of the hadith and sectarian religions translate them as if they existed in Islam in the Internet world. The Qur'an tells the opposite. https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/
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6th February 2018, 03:47 AM	#473
hurdygurdy Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Spain Posts: 319	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The Qur'an clearly says the Earth is the sphere. Why are there mistakes in the some translations? Because interpreters often believe in the teachings of Hadith, sect and Sufism. And these teachings are also influenced by the false Torah and the False Injil. Looking at the original verses, you see the truth. The fake Injils and the false Torah say the world is flat. The Quran says it is a sphere/egg form. Therefore, do not deceive yourself with translations and interpretations that are made according to the hadith and sectarian religions on the Internet. Eratosthenes
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6th February 2018, 07:56 AM	#474
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The Qur'an clearly says the Earth is the sphere. Looking at the original verses, you see the truth. You have completely ignored the contents of my last few posts, which clearly show the Arabic of verse 79.30 does not mention the word 'egg'
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6th February 2018, 08:04 AM	#475
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr And: https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/ Why are you still yammering on about the shape of the Earth? You've already proven the Koran is WRONG about the shape of the Earth. You've even demonstrated it gets the shape of the Earth wrong in different ways in various passages. We get it. Muhammad knew jack squat about the shape of the Earth. Do you really need to keep preaching about the various ways Muhammad got it wrong?

6th February 2018, 08:13 AM	#476
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	Originally Posted by halleyscomet Why are you still yammering on about the shape of the Earth? You've already proven the Koran is WRONG about the shape of the Earth. You've even demonstrated it gets the shape of the Earth wrong in different ways in various passages. We get it. Muhammad knew jack squat about the shape of the Earth. Do you really need to keep preaching about the various ways Muhammad got it wrong? Emre is stuck with trying to defend his position. Which is he either lies deliberately about what the Quran says about the shape of the earth. Or he has brought into the lies of Imams who certainly know the Quran says the earth is spread out, meaning it is flat. But they cannot admit such things because the Quran is supposed to be the perfect words of God.
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6th February 2018, 01:07 PM	#477
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 14,185	Originally Posted by hurdygurdy - Fact number two: Eratosthenes proved the real shape of the Earth nine centuries before the Qur'an was written. Close enough for this thread, but actually Eratosthenes didn't prove that. It was known before his time and we don't actually know who first figured out that Earth was a sphere. That doesn't help Emre though.