[Merged] The Qur'an corrects the mistakes of the false Injil/Torah - Page 13

Jack by the hedge · 6th February 2018, 01:29 PM

If I was God and I inspired some guy to write my Big Book of Rules, I would make sure the wording was so perfect that nobody would ever be in any doubt about what I meant him to say and there would definitely be no arguments over translations or alternative interpretations.

fagin · 6th February 2018, 01:30 PM

I think he means that Scorpion is a paid shill.

Presumably for sanity.

halleyscomet · 6th February 2018, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by fagin

I think he means that Scorpion is a paid shill.

Presumably for sanity.

How does one get a job as a paid shill?

Supplementing my income my making fools out of knob slobbing cultists in my spare time sounds like a sweet gig.

Filippo Lippi · 6th February 2018, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

Why are you still yammering on about the shape of the Earth? You've already proven the Koran is WRONG about the shape of the Earth. You've even demonstrated it gets the shape of the Earth wrong in different ways in various passages.

We get it. Muhammad knew jack squat about the shape of the Earth. Do you really need to keep preaching about the various ways Muhammad got it wrong?

Or the book had several authors

Who were all wrong

Scorpion · 7th February 2018, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

On the contrary, I answered and prove it. You're ignoring it. You're repeating your lies like a Robot. There's no other choice to take your salary, of course.

We once repeat, the Qur'an says the world is shaped like a sphere/egg.

30- He made the earth egg-shaped
(79- The Snatchers, 30)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/

I have already shown the Arabic of verse 79.30 does not have the word egg in it. It is you who persists in pasting in false Muslim propaganda.

It even says in your posts that the verse says the earth is spread out.
Then it goes on to falsely claim this means it is round.

This must be Muslim logic, to say flat means round. Next you will be arguing that black is white, or day is night.

fagin · 7th February 2018, 09:45 AM

I think it's quite obvious that the OP can't read arabic, so he just posts random **** from random websites. With no way of knowing it's just random ****.

Although as it is based on fairy stories, the random ********** should be obvious.

aleCcowaN · 7th February 2018, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi

Or the book had several authors

Who were all wrong

The book was "written" some 10 years after the death of Muhammad, in times of the third caliph. Pretty different from what is known of the "Muhammad before Medina".

aleCcowaN · 7th February 2018, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by fagin

I think it's quite obvious that the OP can't read arabic, so he just posts random **** from random websites. With no way of knowing it's just random ****.

Although as it is based on fairy stories, the random ********** should be obvious.

And probably English.

This is how I suppose he will read your post, which translated back into English looks this way:

Quote:

It is clear that the OP can not read in Arabic, so it sends random messages from random websites. There is no way you just do not know random ****.

Random torture should be clearly visible, although based on fairy tales.

That's a hell of Chinese whispers!

If you follow Emre, you will find this modus operandi matches which posts he replies and why he replies as if something different was written.

fagin · 7th February 2018, 12:59 PM

أنا أرى.

halleyscomet · 7th February 2018, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

If you follow Emre, you will find this modus operandi matches which posts he replies and why he replies as if something different was written.

Well then, he should diaper bag the nougat he uses to finagle the buffalo buffalo under the weakened spirit of the debauched alcohol. Otherwise he'll see a final disassembly of the religious context of the fetid refuse of theological disambiguation.

Or not. It's up to him, if he is wise enough to be choosy right.

Emre_1974tr · 7th February 2018, 02:18 PM

30- He made the earth egg-shaped
(79- The Snatchers, 30)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/

***

And:

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/

https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/

Earth is a rotating sphere.

The Quran says that when the night and the day overlap, they make a ball (sphere):

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/earth.htm

****

Indallah = Afterlife Universe

Furthermore, the word "Floor of Lord" , "Indallah" is translated incorrectly into English always.

It has always been translated into "in the Eyes of the Lord".

Almost all English translations are wrong here. Very sparse turns out to be the correct translation.

Thor 2 · 7th February 2018, 02:46 PM

I for one am getting heartily sick of this harping about the Earth being egg shaped ..... it is an oblate spheroid.

As the circumference of the earth is 40,070 km around the equator and 39,931 km around the poles it is slightly flattened at the poles. This flattening is so small it would be difficult to see and unlike an egg shape, is only there if observed from a point perpendicular from the equator. If it were an egg shape it would appear the same if observed from a point above the poles.

aleCcowaN · 7th February 2018, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

Well then, he should diaper bag the nougat he uses to finagle the buffalo buffalo under the weakened spirit of the debauched alcohol. Otherwise he'll see a final disassembly of the religious context of the fetid refuse of theological disambiguation.

Or not. It's up to him, if he is wise enough to be choosy right.

I'm totally d'accord (and not Honda) with you. He should mousse and toffee up his posts and avoid degrassing them, specially regarding the elongated ovoid nature of our mother ship.

aleCcowaN · 7th February 2018, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Almost all English translations are wrong here. Very sparse turns out to be the correct translation.

...and you would know that because ....? Dunning-Kruger applied to languages?

Craig4 · 7th February 2018, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

30- He made the earth egg-shaped
(79- The Snatchers, 30)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/

***

And:

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/

https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/

Earth is a rotating sphere.

The Quran says that when the night and the day overlap, they make a ball (sphere):

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/earth.htm

****

Indallah = Afterlife Universe

Furthermore, the word "Floor of Lord" , "Indallah" is translated incorrectly into English always.

It has always been translated into "in the Eyes of the Lord".

Almost all English translations are wrong here. Very sparse turns out to be the correct translation.

Then why didn't he say that? Maybe your MoMo as just a little pervert bitch making things up and no one should take anything the little bastard said seriously. Ever think of that?

Scorpion · 8th February 2018, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by fagin

أنا أرى.

English translation = I see

Scorpion · 8th February 2018, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

30- He made the earth egg-shaped
(79- The Snatchers, 30)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/

***

And:

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/

https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/

Earth is a rotating sphere.

The Quran says that when the night and the day overlap, they make a ball (sphere):

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/earth.htm

****

Indallah = Afterlife Universe

Furthermore, the word "Floor of Lord" , "Indallah" is translated incorrectly into English always.

It has always been translated into "in the Eyes of the Lord".

Almost all English translations are wrong here. Very sparse turns out to be the correct translation.

Once again you paste in links which are deceitful and false interpretations.

Verse 39.5 in no way says the earth is a ball, in fact it seems to me to say the sun orbits the earth.

http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/39/5/default.htm

aleCcowaN · 8th February 2018, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Scorpion

Originally Posted by fagin

أنا أرى.

English translation = I see

That's according to Google translate.

But the dude who translates surahs for Emre is saying it means "the ceiling of Allah is filled with the cobwebs of the true believers".

Thor 2 · 8th February 2018, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Almost all English translations are wrong here. Very sparse turns out to be the correct translation.

Does it not occur to you Emre that the obvious vagueness in translating the "word of God/Allah, is a clear indication that the wording of the message, is not as good as it could be. Why is this?

Does this not show the authenticity of the said word is questionable? Would not God/Allah be able to express himself in a lucid fashion? A small thing to ask of an all knowing one I would think.

aleCcowaN · 8th February 2018, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Thor 2

Does it not occur to you Emre that the obvious vagueness in translating the "word of God/Allah, is a clear indication that the wording of the message, is not as good as it could be. Why is this?

Does this not show the authenticity of the said word is questionable? Would not God/Allah be able to express himself in a lucid fashion? A small thing to ask of an all knowing one I would think.

It was Allah's will the Quran to be ambiguous.

halleyscomet · 8th February 2018, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

It was Allah's will the Quran to be ambiguous.

He's mysterious that way.

aleCcowaN · 8th February 2018, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

He's mysterious that way.

Jehovah/God Ice/Allah pioneered reality shows. Only later scriptured shows became scripted shows.

Emre_1974tr · 8th February 2018, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

30- He made the earth egg-shaped
(79- The Snatchers, 30)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/

***

And:

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/

https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/

Earth is a rotating sphere.

The Quran says that when the night and the day overlap, they make a ball (sphere):

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/earth.htm

****

Indallah = Afterlife Universe

Furthermore, the word "Floor of Lord" , "Indallah" is translated incorrectly into English always.

It has always been translated into "in the Eyes of the Lord".

Almost all English translations are wrong here. Very sparse turns out to be the correct translation.

Quran says Earth is egg/sphere shaped.

and:

38- And the Sun moves on to its destination.
That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.
(36- Ya-Seen, 38)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...o-moves-along/

Emre_1974tr · 8th February 2018, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Thor 2

Does it not occur to you Emre that the obvious vagueness in translating the "word of God/Allah, is a clear indication that the wording of the message, is not as good as it could be. Why is this?

Does this not show the authenticity of the said word is questionable? Would not God/Allah be able to express himself in a lucid fashion? A small thing to ask of an all knowing one I would think.

The verses are clear and clear.

The problem is in people.

As the Koran was protected, they tried to partner other sources. And they tried to upload symbolic meanings to the verses. Or they multiplied the translations in accordance with the New Age(Spiritualism) teachings. Or they are not read the book in integrity. Or they're trying to interpret the book in line with other teachings.

We also see a bad example of this with the Scorpion on the forum. The cruelty of trying to disrupt religion is everywhere, unfortunately.

Minoosh · 8th February 2018, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Scorpion

The Rashad Kalifa translation is known to be full of falsehood, and the other translations that use the word egg are probably just as distorted or falsified.

What would the motive have been, to insert "egg-shaped" into the passage? It sounds like a weird detail to fabricate.

aleCcowaN · 8th February 2018, 10:17 PM

Maybe it's like the Egg of Columbus.

In a primitive context you can take "egg-shaped" as "spherical" because of the incapacity to spot one from the other -in a primitive context, lacking precision and what to do with it-.

Emre moves nonchalantly from one lack of concept to another one. With this, Emre, the Christian missionary, yet in other attempt to tar Islam, illustrates us about how primitive is the cultural frame in which the Quran was inserted.

To this point, everyone should be used to Emre ridiculing Islam with his/her twisted interpretation of random surahs.

Jack by the hedge · 9th February 2018, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

The verses are clear and clear.

The problem is in people.

Right. Well.

If I was God, I mean if I was a competent God rather than some blundering amateur, and I invented people, I would design them to be sufficiently capable of understanding clear instructions that, when I divinely inspired one of them to write my Big Book of Rules, not only would My book be absolutely, rigorously clear and logical, but everyone would understand exactly what I meant so there wouldn't be any stupid arguments about what My rules were.

An omnipotent, omniscient being wouldn't drop the ball on basic stuff like that.

Scorpion · 9th February 2018, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

What would the motive have been, to insert "egg-shaped" into the passage? It sounds like a weird detail to fabricate.

Rashad Khalifa distorted a lot of Quranic verses to make them sound more profound or believable. To claim the Quran says the earth is egg shaped, makes it sound more believable than the truth, which is almost certainly that the Quran says the earth is flat.

Scorpion · 9th February 2018, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran says Earth is egg/sphere shaped.

No matter how many times you say that it will not be true.

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

38- And the Sun moves on to its destination.
That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.
(36- Ya-Seen, 38)

The sun does not move to a destination. It may have a orbit in the galaxy but Muhammad did not know that. It is obvious he thought the sun orbits the earth. What is more he thought the earth is flat, and the sun goes under the earth and is reset to the beginning of its orbit every dawn.

There is a reputable hadith that states this, and explains verse 36.38 in depth, and your refusal to believe the hadiths is denial.

See hadith Bukhari vol4 book 54 no 421

aleCcowaN · 9th February 2018, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by Scorpion

The sun does not move to a destination.

In some sort of Islamic special argument, Emre associates this with the 200 million year period of the Sun moving inside the Milky Way. He had to be sort of a de-constructivist in this to make the whole wrong set-up in the Quran match some elements verifiable in the universe as it is.

[I insist he does that as a christian missionary trying to tarnish Islam]

JayUtah · 9th February 2018, 09:31 AM

I'm sure it's been brought up, but the Earth is oblate and not elongated. Even if you grant the "egg-shaped" translation or interpretation, it describes the opposite spheroid deformation than what we observe the Earth to be.

aleCcowaN · 9th February 2018, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

We also see a bad example of this with the Scorpion on the forum. The cruelty of trying to disrupt religion is everywhere, unfortunately.

58.125 And the little wolf went to the shepherd's and started complaining in tears: «Buhuhh! That little sheep tried to bite me! Buahhh!»

Salam

abaddon · 9th February 2018, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by aleCcowaN

In some sort of Islamic special argument, Emre associates this with the 200 million year period of the Sun moving inside the Milky Way. He had to be sort of a de-constructivist in this to make the whole wrong set-up in the Quran match some elements verifiable in the universe as it is.

[I insist he does that as a christian missionary trying to tarnish Islam]

You may be correct. A lot of what is posted seems to be from some sort of fundamentalist christian fifth column seeking to undermine the credibility of Islam as a whole from within.

Emre_1974tr · 9th February 2018, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

30- He made the earth egg-shaped
(79- The Snatchers, 30)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/

***

And:

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/

https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/

Earth is a rotating sphere.

The Quran says that when the night and the day overlap, they make a ball (sphere):

http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/earth.htm

****

Indallah = Afterlife Universe

Furthermore, the word "Floor of Lord" , "Indallah" is translated incorrectly into English always.

It has always been translated into "in the Eyes of the Lord".

Almost all English translations are wrong here. Very sparse turns out to be the correct translation.

Quran says Earth is egg/sphere shaped.

and:

38- And the Sun moves on to its destination.
That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.
(36- Ya-Seen, 38)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...o-moves-along/

****

And:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.p...1637#msg411637

Emre_1974tr · 9th February 2018, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

Right. Well.

If I was God, I mean if I was a competent God rather than some blundering amateur, and I invented people, I would design them to be sufficiently capable of understanding clear instructions that, when I divinely inspired one of them to write my Big Book of Rules, not only would My book be absolutely, rigorously clear and logical, but everyone would understand exactly what I meant so there wouldn't be any stupid arguments about what My rules were.

An omnipotent, omniscient being wouldn't drop the ball on basic stuff like that.

That's not the point.

The purpose of world life is that you can face yourself.

For understand why you're going to paradise or hell.

And for live some petty penalties or rewards in this universe.

Scorpion · 9th February 2018, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

Quran says Earth is egg/sphere shaped.

and:

38- And the Sun moves on to its destination.
That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower.
(36- Ya-Seen, 38)

http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...o-moves-along/

****

And:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.p...1637#msg411637

You are just spamming the same thing over and over again, and that will not make it true.

halleyscomet · 9th February 2018, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

For understand why you're going to paradise or hell.

You only end up in Hell if you're REALLY nasty. Most the jerks will just come back as a Gaki, a Hungry Ghost. The good news is a Gaki can still die and be reincarnated. It's tough but you're still in the running for eventual enlightenment. You're just really, really, REALLY far behind at that point.

Thor 2 · 9th February 2018, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by JayUtah

I'm sure it's been brought up, but the Earth is oblate and not elongated. Even if you grant the "egg-shaped" translation or interpretation, it describes the opposite spheroid deformation than what we observe the Earth to be.

Yes I said the same thing but Emre is not listening.

MikeG · 9th February 2018, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr

..........For understand why you're going to paradise or hell........

Shame to waste your one and only life worrying about nonsense like this. There is no heaven, and there is no hell.

halleyscomet · 9th February 2018, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by MikeG

Shame to waste your one and only life worrying about nonsense like this. There is no heaven, and there is no hell.

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I AGREE

6th February 2018, 01:30 PM	#482
fagin Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: As far away from casebro as possible. Posts: 7,070	I think he means that Scorpion is a paid shill. Presumably for sanity.
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6th February 2018, 05:22 PM	#484
Filippo Lippi Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 4,273	Originally Posted by halleyscomet Why are you still yammering on about the shape of the Earth? You've already proven the Koran is WRONG about the shape of the Earth. You've even demonstrated it gets the shape of the Earth wrong in different ways in various passages. We get it. Muhammad knew jack squat about the shape of the Earth. Do you really need to keep preaching about the various ways Muhammad got it wrong? Or the book had several authors Who were all wrong
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7th February 2018, 07:25 AM	#485
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr On the contrary, I answered and prove it. You're ignoring it. You're repeating your lies like a Robot. There's no other choice to take your salary, of course. We once repeat, the Qur'an says the world is shaped like a sphere/egg. 30- He made the earth egg-shaped (79- The Snatchers, 30) http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/ I have already shown the Arabic of verse 79.30 does not have the word egg in it. It is you who persists in pasting in false Muslim propaganda. It even says in your posts that the verse says the earth is spread out. Then it goes on to falsely claim this means it is round. This must be Muslim logic, to say flat means round. Next you will be arguing that black is white, or day is night.
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	__________________ You see many stars in the sky at night, but not when the sun rises. Can you therefore say there are no stars in the heavens during the day? O man because you cannot find God in the days of your ignorance, say not that there is no God. Sri Ramakrishna Even in the valley of the shadow of death two and two do not make six. Leo Tolstoy

7th February 2018, 09:45 AM	#486
fagin Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: As far away from casebro as possible. Posts: 7,070	I think it's quite obvious that the OP can't read arabic, so he just posts random ** from random websites. With no way of knowing it's just random . Although as it is based on fairy stories, the random ******** should be obvious.
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7th February 2018, 12:30 PM	#487
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi Or the book had several authors Who were all wrong The book was "written" some 10 years after the death of Muhammad, in times of the third caliph. Pretty different from what is known of the "Muhammad before Medina".
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6th February 2018, 01:29 PM	#481
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 14,430	If I was God and I inspired some guy to write my Big Book of Rules, I would make sure the wording was so perfect that nobody would ever be in any doubt about what I meant him to say and there would definitely be no arguments over translations or alternative interpretations.

6th February 2018, 02:22 PM	#483
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Originally Posted by fagin I think he means that Scorpion is a paid shill. Presumably for sanity. How does one get a job as a paid shill? Supplementing my income my making fools out of knob slobbing cultists in my spare time sounds like a sweet gig.

7th February 2018, 12:39 PM	#488
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by fagin I think it's quite obvious that the OP can't read arabic, so he just posts random ** from random websites. With no way of knowing it's just random . Although as it is based on fairy stories, the random ****** should be obvious. And probably English. This is how I suppose he will read your post, which translated back into English looks this way: Quote: It is clear that the OP can not read in Arabic, so it sends random messages from random websites. There is no way you just do not know random **. Random torture should be clearly visible, although based on fairy tales. That's a hell of Chinese whispers! If you follow Emre, you will find this modus operandi matches which posts he replies and why he replies as if something different was written.
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7th February 2018, 12:59 PM	#489
fagin Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: As far away from casebro as possible. Posts: 7,070	أنا أرى.
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7th February 2018, 01:00 PM	#490
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Originally Posted by aleCcowaN If you follow Emre, you will find this modus operandi matches which posts he replies and why he replies as if something different was written. Well then, he should diaper bag the nougat he uses to finagle the buffalo buffalo under the weakened spirit of the debauched alcohol. Otherwise he'll see a final disassembly of the religious context of the fetid refuse of theological disambiguation. Or not. It's up to him, if he is wise enough to be choosy right.

7th February 2018, 02:18 PM	#491
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	30- He made the earth egg-shaped (79- The Snatchers, 30) http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/ * And: http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/ https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/ Earth is a rotating sphere. The Quran says that when the night and the day overlap, they make a ball (sphere): http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/earth.htm ** Indallah = Afterlife Universe Furthermore, the word "Floor of Lord" , "Indallah" is translated incorrectly into English always. It has always been translated into "in the Eyes of the Lord". Almost all English translations are wrong here. Very sparse turns out to be the correct translation.

7th February 2018, 02:46 PM	#492
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tiny town west of Brisbane. Posts: 7,154	I for one am getting heartily sick of this harping about the Earth being egg shaped ..... it is an oblate spheroid. As the circumference of the earth is 40,070 km around the equator and 39,931 km around the poles it is slightly flattened at the poles. This flattening is so small it would be difficult to see and unlike an egg shape, is only there if observed from a point perpendicular from the equator. If it were an egg shape it would appear the same if observed from a point above the poles.
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7th February 2018, 03:00 PM	#493
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by halleyscomet Well then, he should diaper bag the nougat he uses to finagle the buffalo buffalo under the weakened spirit of the debauched alcohol. Otherwise he'll see a final disassembly of the religious context of the fetid refuse of theological disambiguation. Or not. It's up to him, if he is wise enough to be choosy right. I'm totally d'accord (and not Honda) with you. He should mousse and toffee up his posts and avoid degrassing them, specially regarding the elongated ovoid nature of our mother ship.
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7th February 2018, 03:03 PM	#494
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Almost all English translations are wrong here. Very sparse turns out to be the correct translation. ...and you would know that because ....? Dunning-Kruger applied to languages?
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7th February 2018, 05:15 PM	#495
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 26,779	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr 30- He made the earth egg-shaped (79- The Snatchers, 30) http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/ * And: http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/ https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/ Earth is a rotating sphere. The Quran says that when the night and the day overlap, they make a ball (sphere): http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/earth.htm ** Indallah = Afterlife Universe Furthermore, the word "Floor of Lord" , "Indallah" is translated incorrectly into English always. It has always been translated into "in the Eyes of the Lord". Almost all English translations are wrong here. Very sparse turns out to be the correct translation. Then why didn't he say that? Maybe your MoMo as just a little pervert bitch making things up and no one should take anything the little bastard said seriously. Ever think of that?

8th February 2018, 07:51 AM	#496
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	Originally Posted by fagin أنا أرى. English translation = I see
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8th February 2018, 08:03 AM	#497
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr 30- He made the earth egg-shaped (79- The Snatchers, 30) http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/ * And: http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/ https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/ Earth is a rotating sphere. The Quran says that when the night and the day overlap, they make a ball (sphere): http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/earth.htm ** Indallah = Afterlife Universe Furthermore, the word "Floor of Lord" , "Indallah" is translated incorrectly into English always. It has always been translated into "in the Eyes of the Lord". Almost all English translations are wrong here. Very sparse turns out to be the correct translation. Once again you paste in links which are deceitful and false interpretations. Verse 39.5 in no way says the earth is a ball, in fact it seems to me to say the sun orbits the earth. http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/39/5/default.htm
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8th February 2018, 08:08 AM	#498
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by Scorpion Originally Posted by fagin أنا أرى. English translation = I see That's according to Google translate. But the dude who translates surahs for Emre is saying it means "the ceiling of Allah is filled with the cobwebs of the true believers".
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8th February 2018, 01:44 PM	#499
Thor 2 Philosopher Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tiny town west of Brisbane. Posts: 7,154	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Almost all English translations are wrong here. Very sparse turns out to be the correct translation. Does it not occur to you Emre that the obvious vagueness in translating the "word of God/Allah, is a clear indication that the wording of the message, is not as good as it could be. Why is this? Does this not show the authenticity of the said word is questionable? Would not God/Allah be able to express himself in a lucid fashion? A small thing to ask of an all knowing one I would think.
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8th February 2018, 01:50 PM	#500
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by Thor 2 Does it not occur to you Emre that the obvious vagueness in translating the "word of God/Allah, is a clear indication that the wording of the message, is not as good as it could be. Why is this? Does this not show the authenticity of the said word is questionable? Would not God/Allah be able to express himself in a lucid fashion? A small thing to ask of an all knowing one I would think. It was Allah's will the Quran to be ambiguous.
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8th February 2018, 02:16 PM	#501
halleyscomet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 10,259	Originally Posted by aleCcowaN It was Allah's will the Quran to be ambiguous. He's mysterious that way.

8th February 2018, 02:33 PM	#502
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by halleyscomet He's mysterious that way. Jehovah/God Ice/Allah pioneered reality shows. Only later scriptured shows became scripted shows.
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8th February 2018, 04:40 PM	#503
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr 30- He made the earth egg-shaped (79- The Snatchers, 30) http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/ * And: http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/ https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/ Earth is a rotating sphere. The Quran says that when the night and the day overlap, they make a ball (sphere): http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/earth.htm ** Indallah = Afterlife Universe Furthermore, the word "Floor of Lord" , "Indallah" is translated incorrectly into English always. It has always been translated into "in the Eyes of the Lord". Almost all English translations are wrong here. Very sparse turns out to be the correct translation. Quran says Earth is egg/sphere shaped. and: 38- And the Sun moves on to its destination. That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower. (36- Ya-Seen, 38) http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...o-moves-along/

8th February 2018, 04:53 PM	#504
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by Thor 2 Does it not occur to you Emre that the obvious vagueness in translating the "word of God/Allah, is a clear indication that the wording of the message, is not as good as it could be. Why is this? Does this not show the authenticity of the said word is questionable? Would not God/Allah be able to express himself in a lucid fashion? A small thing to ask of an all knowing one I would think. The verses are clear and clear. The problem is in people. As the Koran was protected, they tried to partner other sources. And they tried to upload symbolic meanings to the verses. Or they multiplied the translations in accordance with the New Age(Spiritualism) teachings. Or they are not read the book in integrity. Or they're trying to interpret the book in line with other teachings. We also see a bad example of this with the Scorpion on the forum. The cruelty of trying to disrupt religion is everywhere, unfortunately.

8th February 2018, 07:22 PM	#505
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,496	Originally Posted by Scorpion The Rashad Kalifa translation is known to be full of falsehood, and the other translations that use the word egg are probably just as distorted or falsified. What would the motive have been, to insert "egg-shaped" into the passage? It sounds like a weird detail to fabricate.

8th February 2018, 10:17 PM	#506
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Maybe it's like the Egg of Columbus. In a primitive context you can take "egg-shaped" as "spherical" because of the incapacity to spot one from the other -in a primitive context, lacking precision and what to do with it-. Emre moves nonchalantly from one lack of concept to another one. With this, Emre, the Christian missionary, yet in other attempt to tar Islam, illustrates us about how primitive is the cultural frame in which the Quran was inserted. To this point, everyone should be used to Emre ridiculing Islam with his/her twisted interpretation of random surahs.
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9th February 2018, 07:47 AM	#507
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 14,430	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr The verses are clear and clear. The problem is in people. Right. Well. If I was God, I mean if I was a competent God rather than some blundering amateur, and I invented people, I would design them to be sufficiently capable of understanding clear instructions that, when I divinely inspired one of them to write my Big Book of Rules, not only would My book be absolutely, rigorously clear and logical, but everyone would understand exactly what I meant so there wouldn't be any stupid arguments about what My rules were. An omnipotent, omniscient being wouldn't drop the ball on basic stuff like that.

9th February 2018, 07:55 AM	#508
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	Originally Posted by Minoosh What would the motive have been, to insert "egg-shaped" into the passage? It sounds like a weird detail to fabricate. Rashad Khalifa distorted a lot of Quranic verses to make them sound more profound or believable. To claim the Quran says the earth is egg shaped, makes it sound more believable than the truth, which is almost certainly that the Quran says the earth is flat.
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9th February 2018, 08:47 AM	#509
Scorpion Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 3,276	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr Quran says Earth is egg/sphere shaped. No matter how many times you say that it will not be true. Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr 38- And the Sun moves on to its destination. That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower. (36- Ya-Seen, 38) The sun does not move to a destination. It may have a orbit in the galaxy but Muhammad did not know that. It is obvious he thought the sun orbits the earth. What is more he thought the earth is flat, and the sun goes under the earth and is reset to the beginning of its orbit every dawn. There is a reputable hadith that states this, and explains verse 36.38 in depth, and your refusal to believe the hadiths is denial. See hadith Bukhari vol4 book 54 no 421
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9th February 2018, 09:13 AM	#510
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by Scorpion The sun does not move to a destination. In some sort of Islamic special argument, Emre associates this with the 200 million year period of the Sun moving inside the Milky Way. He had to be sort of a de-constructivist in this to make the whole wrong set-up in the Quran match some elements verifiable in the universe as it is. [I insist he does that as a christian missionary trying to tarnish Islam]
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9th February 2018, 09:31 AM	#511
JayUtah Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The great American West Posts: 22,423	I'm sure it's been brought up, but the Earth is oblate and not elongated. Even if you grant the "egg-shaped" translation or interpretation, it describes the opposite spheroid deformation than what we observe the Earth to be.

9th February 2018, 11:56 AM	#512
aleCcowaN imperfecto del subjuntivo Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: stranded at Buenos Aires, a city that, like NYC or Paris, has so little to offer... Posts: 9,521	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr We also see a bad example of this with the Scorpion on the forum. The cruelty of trying to disrupt religion is everywhere, unfortunately. 58.125 And the little wolf went to the shepherd's and started complaining in tears: «Buhuhh! That little sheep tried to bite me! Buahhh!» Salam
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9th February 2018, 11:59 AM	#513
abaddon Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Republic of Ireland Posts: 23,499	Originally Posted by aleCcowaN In some sort of Islamic special argument, Emre associates this with the 200 million year period of the Sun moving inside the Milky Way. He had to be sort of a de-constructivist in this to make the whole wrong set-up in the Quran match some elements verifiable in the universe as it is. [I insist he does that as a christian missionary trying to tarnish Islam] You may be correct. A lot of what is posted seems to be from some sort of fundamentalist christian fifth column seeking to undermine the credibility of Islam as a whole from within.
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9th February 2018, 01:17 PM	#514
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr 30- He made the earth egg-shaped (79- The Snatchers, 30) http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...-of-the-world/ * And: http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...oat-in-orbits/ https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/ Earth is a rotating sphere. The Quran says that when the night and the day overlap, they make a ball (sphere): http://www.speed-light.info/miracles_of_quran/earth.htm Indallah = Afterlife Universe Furthermore, the word "Floor of Lord" , "Indallah" is translated incorrectly into English always. It has always been translated into "in the Eyes of the Lord". Almost all English translations are wrong here. Very sparse turns out to be the correct translation. Quran says Earth is egg/sphere shaped. and: 38- And the Sun moves on to its destination. That is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knower. (36- Ya-Seen, 38) http://www.quranmiracles.com/2011/03...o-moves-along/ ** And: https://free-minds.org/forum/index.p...1637#msg411637

9th February 2018, 01:22 PM	#515
Emre_1974tr Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Turkey Posts: 1,192	Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge Right. Well. If I was God, I mean if I was a competent God rather than some blundering amateur, and I invented people, I would design them to be sufficiently capable of understanding clear instructions that, when I divinely inspired one of them to write my Big Book of Rules, not only would My book be absolutely, rigorously clear and logical, but everyone would understand exactly what I meant so there wouldn't be any stupid arguments about what My rules were. An omnipotent, omniscient being wouldn't drop the ball on basic stuff like that. That's not the point. The purpose of world life is that you can face yourself. For understand why you're going to paradise or hell. And for live some petty penalties or rewards in this universe.