George Santos - Page 13

JoeMorgue · 25th January 2023, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Just checking: Are you responding to me?

I'm making a statement. If you feel the shoes fits, slip that sucker on.

Norman Alexander · 25th January 2023, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I'm making a statement. If you feel the shoes fits, slip that sucker on.

...

dudalb · 25th January 2023, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Avoiding the question. And the answer is: Yes they are elected. According to you. The voters have spoken, so in that person goes. Regardless of any flaws and factual evidence they qualify.

In fact, in the USA, dead people have been elected a few times. Now, I would have thought that being dead, a non-person if you will, disqualifies you from standing for and being elected to any government position. If you happen to be in an elected government position and die, you certainly cease to be in it any longer - it goes vacant. So it is passing strange that the very same condition that will automatically get you OUT of an elected position is no barrier to getting you IN to that same position. Not exactly logical nor sensible, don't you agree?

So now let's consider a situation closer to reality: A candidate in a lunatic asylum who is criminally insane. Let's check if they can stand for office in the USA: Citizen? Tick. Adult? Tick. ...and that's about it! Some feeble-minded fascist feces-flinger is considered "qualified" to stand for elected office. A good idea, in your view, that nobody gets told? Want them in your parliament? Perhaps if their true "situation" was known about beforehand then their prospects of success might change...?

By the way, the Burke quote is about AFTER they are elected, not before. It's not the subject of my argument.

Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office.

Norman Alexander · 25th January 2023, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office.

...most?? And the rest?

So, being dead, shouldn't that disqualify you from taking office? That election becomes null and void, and needs to be run again with qualifying candidates? Or does the dead person "take their seat"??

Should not also being a criminal? Being a criminal certainly prevents you from voting. And I understand the "general rule" is if you can't vote then you can't stand for office.

novaphile · 25th January 2023, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

...most?? And the rest?

So, being dead, shouldn't that disqualify you from taking office? That election becomes null and void, and needs to be run again with qualifying candidates? Or does the dead person "take their seat"??

Should not also being a criminal? Being a criminal certainly prevents you from voting. And I understand the "general rule" is if you can't vote then you can't stand for office.

This one is a big 'depends' depending on the type of seat and the jurisdiction, sometimes the party just appoints a replacement.

Skeptic Ginger · 25th January 2023, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Morally, logically, and philosophically you are correct.

Practically it would turn into politicians staying in "campaign" mode constantly, even more so then they already do.

At a certain point politicians have to be able to stop politic-ing and just do their actual jobs.

Also politicians have to be able to make unpopular decisions some times.

You balance those issues by making a recall difficult to do.

The way I see it, 'campaign mode' would be closer to doing what they say they are going to do—IOW less fake campaign promises.

Norman Alexander · 25th January 2023, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by novaphile

This one is a big 'depends' depending on the type of seat and the jurisdiction, sometimes the party just appoints a replacement.

Then the dead person doesn't "take their seat". Their election is void. That's the point. The reason they don't get seated is everyone knows they are friggin' dead! Likewise, everyone should know the truth about candidates before their election.

Same with Santos. It appears a distinct possibility that his election is void on quite a number of grounds. For example, as he is such a prolific liar, is his US citizenship assured? Anyone actually check? I wasn't joking previously when I said I should run for US congress. If a bog-basic check like assuring valid citizenship was never done for Santos, I'm gonna be good to go! And so is every two-bit international crook (I'm only a one-bit version) and charmless, scruple-free lobbyist. Heck, why not just give the Saudis a couple of seats gratis!

dann · 27th January 2023, 02:34 AM

The ex-boyfriend:
"What he always looked for was fame and power. That's all he cared about. ... And he got the thing of the lies and he got the power that he's in Congress now."

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I AGREE

He should fit right in ...

smartcooky · 27th January 2023, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office.

[aside]
One of those was Apollo 13 astronaut Jack Swigert; elected to the House from Colorado's 6th district in November 1982, but died from respiratory failure related to his cancer on December 27, seven days before the beginning of his congressional term.

Stacyhs · 27th January 2023, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by dann

The ex-boyfriend:
"What he always looked for was fame and power. That's all he cared about. ... And he got the thing of the lies and he got the power that he's in Congress now."

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I AGREE

He should fit right in ...

Trump finally has the son he always wanted.

dann · 28th January 2023, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Like superheroes, candidates tell an origin story, often times by describing their families.
See the evolution of lies in George Santos’s campaign biography (WP, Jan 27, 2023)

At least he believes in evolution ...

Norman Alexander · 28th January 2023, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by dann

At least he believes in evolution ...

But only when it's convenient.

Stacyhs · 28th January 2023, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by dann

At least he believes in evolution ...

When his great-great grandfather was Charles Darwin, he'd kind of have to.

shemp · 28th January 2023, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

When ~~his great-great grandfather~~ he was Charles Darwin, he'd kind of have to.

FTFY

Norman Alexander · 28th January 2023, 10:17 PM

Inside Santos' head:

novaphile · 29th January 2023, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Inside Santos' head:

Quote:

Oh my God. It's full of squirrels.

Weirdly enough, the forum software didn't allow the above.

It kept saying:

"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 2 characters."

mgidm86 · 29th January 2023, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Inside Santos' head:

Oh my God. It's full of squirrels.

ETA:
Worked for me

Upchurch · 29th January 2023, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by novaphile

Weirdly enough, the forum software didn't allow the above.

It kept saying:

"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 2 characters."

It doesn’t count characters inside of quote blocks as part of your message.

Ladewig · 29th January 2023, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office.

We live in a post-factual and post-shame world.

Surely I can’t be alone in thinking that before 2027 someone is going to try to
pull a Congressional “Weekend at Bernie’s”

Norman Alexander · 29th January 2023, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

We live in a post-factual and post-shame world.

Surely I can’t be alone in thinking that before 2027 someone is going to try to pull a Congressional “Weekend at Bernie’s”

That was pretty much where my train of argument was heading many posts above. If even being dead doesn't trigger a new election for a seat, then it's only a matter of time that some party is going to elect a whole graveyard of long-mouldering corpses to office and use their "votes by proxy" so that only a handful of party leaders run the whole show.

What needs to be federally mandated is that if any candidate, including before an election, becomes ineligible to stand then either their candidacy is terminated, or they immediately lose their seat and an by-election is required to fill it again. Ineligibility will include any conditions where that person is no longer permitted to vote in their state, such as serving a criminal sentence, being a foreigner, being dead, etc.

Ladewig · 29th January 2023, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Georgie claimed in a Brazilian podcast that he was the victim of an assassination attempt, a mugging, and that his home in Florida was vandalized because he's a Republican. None of it has been confirmed by any evidence:

Before asking any questions, they weren’t Black, they were even white, but they robbed me, took my briefcase, took my shoes and my watch.

“They were even white.”

So George, do bigotry much?

Silly Green Monkey · 30th January 2023, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

That was pretty much where my train of argument was heading many posts above. If even being dead doesn't trigger a new election for a seat, then it's only a matter of time that some party is going to elect a whole graveyard of long-mouldering corpses to office and use their "votes by proxy" so that only a handful of party leaders run the whole show.

What needs to be federally mandated is that if any candidate, including before an election, becomes ineligible to stand then either their candidacy is terminated, or they immediately lose their seat and an by-election is required to fill it again. Ineligibility will include any conditions where that person is no longer permitted to vote in their state, such as serving a criminal sentence, being a foreigner, being dead, etc.

From the few cases I've seen, it's not that their seats are held for their term by proxy, but that the party of the deceased is allowed to appoint a replacement candidate. But we don't vote for party, oh no, we vote for people!

rockinkt · 30th January 2023, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

You balance those issues by making a recall difficult to do.

The way I see it, 'campaign mode' would be closer to doing what they say they are going to do—IOW less fake campaign promises.

Most electors don't have a clue what the real issues are and how they can be solved. Most want easy solutions to complex problems they won't take the time to learn about - or actually do not have the ability to understand due to a lack of education or experience.
The only way to motivate those voters to vote for you is to offer them easily understandable quick fix solutions that play to their inherent biases.
In other words - the best way to lose an election is to tell the truth.

shemp · 30th January 2023, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey

From the few cases I've seen, it's not that their seats are held for their term by proxy, but that the party of the deceased is allowed to appoint a replacement candidate. But we don't vote for party, oh no, we vote for people!

No. If a member of the House leaves office during a term, the seat is vacant until a special election is held in the district.

Quote:

Vacancies in the House of Representatives typically take far longer to fill. The Constitution requires that member of the House be replaced only by an election held in the congressional district of the former representative.

"When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies." -- Article I, Section 2, Clause 4 of the U.S. Constitution

During the first two-year session of a Congress, all states, territories, and the District of Columbia are required by current federal law to hold special elections to fill any vacant House seat. However, during the second session of a Congress, procedures often vary depending on the amount of time between the date the vacancy occurs and the date of the next general election. For example, under Section 8 of Title 2, United States Code, a state’s governor can hold a special election at any time in extraordinary circumstances, such as a crisis resulting in the number of vacancies in the House exceeding 100 of the 435 seats.

According to the U.S. Constitution and state law, the governor of the state calls for a special election to replace the vacant House seat. The full election cycle must be followed including political party nominating processes, primary elections and a general election, all held in the congressional district involved. The entire process often takes as long as from three to six months.

While a House seat is vacant, the office of the former representative remains open, its staff operating under the supervision of the Clerk of the House of Representatives. The people of the affected congressional district do not have voting representation in the House during the vacancy period. They can, however, continue to contact former representative's interim office for assistance with a limited range of services as listed below by the Clerk of the House.

https://www.thoughtco.com/how-vacanc...s-in-the-house

slyjoe · 30th January 2023, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

We live in a post-factual and post-shame world.

Surely I can’t be alone in thinking that before 2027 someone is going to try to
pull a Congressional “Weekend at Bernie’s”

That was funny

A more likely scenario is a person convicted of a felony, but hasn't had their civil rights restored, could be elected.

mgidm86 · 30th January 2023, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Georgie claimed in a Brazilian podcast that he was the victim of an assassination attempt, a mugging, and that his home in Florida was vandalized because he's a Republican. None of it has been confirmed by any evidence:

I believe it! People should hate him, he's a piece of **** and a Republican. What's not to believe? Brazilians are no strangers to corrupt politicians by any stretch.

Bob001 · 31st January 2023, 08:20 AM

George's donors don't exist.

Quote:

The Regor and Berger contributions are among more than a dozen major donations to the 2020 Santos campaign for which the name or the address of the donor cannot be confirmed, a Mother Jones investigation found. A separate $2,800 donation was attributed in Santos’ reports filed with the Federal Election Commission to a friend of Santos who says he did not give the money.

Under federal campaign finance law, it is illegal to donate money using a false name or the name of someone else. “It’s called a contribution in the name of another,” says Saurav Ghosh, the director for federal campaign finance reform at the Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan watchdog group. “It’s something that is explicitly prohibited under federal law.”

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...seem-to-exist/

Hercules56 · 31st January 2023, 09:33 AM

Santos has removed himself from all committee assignments.

I guess he hears the bell tolling.

The Great Zaganza · 31st January 2023, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Santos has removed himself from all committee assignments.

I guess he hears the bell tolling.

McCarthy didn't hear them when he gave him the committee seats.

Norman Alexander · 31st January 2023, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

McCarthy didn't hear them when he was told to give him the committee seats.

Probably why.

Stacyhs · 31st January 2023, 01:53 PM

Santos deserves everything that is coming to him.

dudalb · 31st January 2023, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

[aside]
One of those was Apollo 13 astronaut Jack Swigert; elected to the House from Colorado's 6th district in November 1982, but died from respiratory failure related to his cancer on December 27, seven days before the beginning of his congressional term.

before people ask, he was played by Kevin Bacon in the movie.

dudalb · 31st January 2023, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Santos has removed himself from all committee assignments.

I guess he hears the bell tolling.

Maybe he will attempt some kind of plea bargain: no criminal prosuecution if he resigns.

Norman Alexander · 31st January 2023, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

before people ask, he was played by Kevin Bacon in the movie.

So only one degree?

Norman Alexander · 31st January 2023, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Maybe he will attempt some kind of plea bargain: no criminal prosuecution if he resigns.

I don't think his fellow GOP members can offer or guarantee him that. Charges would appear to be up to the ... DoJ? Electoral Commission (whatever it is called in the USA)?

Chris_Halkides · 31st January 2023, 09:09 PM

“The thing we have to be careful of, and I always caution myself on this, and I ran into this trouble with Trump, is we cannot mistake absurdity for lack of danger, because it takes people with no shame to do shameful things,” Stewart said on the latest episode of his podcast, “The Problem With Jon Stewart.”
“In absurdity is where the real danger always is,” he added. Huffpost

Stacyhs · 1st February 2023, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides

“The thing we have to be careful of, and I always caution myself on this, and I ran into this trouble with Trump, is we cannot mistake absurdity for lack of danger, because it takes people with no shame to do shameful things,” Stewart said on the latest episode of his podcast, “The Problem With Jon Stewart.”
“In absurdity is where the real danger always is,” he added. Huffpost

In 2016, I thought that there was no way this country would vote a clown like Trump into the WH. He was just such a blatant liar and narcissist. Did I ever get a dose of reality.

Crazy Chainsaw · 1st February 2023, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

In 2016, I thought that there was no way this country would vote a clown like Trump into the WH. He was just such a blatant liar and narcissist. Did I ever get a dose of reality.

I thought in 2008 the Republicans would Reject the Libertarian Constitutionalist crazies, I didn't change my mind on that until one of them tried putting a 6 inch Buck Hunting Knife Blade in my back.
Be glad it was just the election of the Grifting King that Woke you up.

Suddenly · 1st February 2023, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

I don't think his fellow GOP members can offer or guarantee him that. Charges would appear to be up to the ... DoJ? Electoral Commission (whatever it is called in the USA)?

Someone with deal making authority for the feds would have to sign off on it, and it would be wise for Santos to try to bring the New York authorities in the room as well. Also any other US jurisdiction he's been effing around in.

dudalb · 1st February 2023, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

I don't think his fellow GOP members can offer or guarantee him that. Charges would appear to be up to the ... DoJ? Electoral Commission (whatever it is called in the USA)?

Actually, he is in trouble with the New York State Election Commision..and it;s them he will be talking to.

25th January 2023, 01:34 PM	#481
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 43,099	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Just checking: Are you responding to me? I'm making a statement. If you feel the shoes fits, slip that sucker on.
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25th January 2023, 01:42 PM	#482
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,250	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue I'm making a statement. If you feel the shoes fits, slip that sucker on. ...
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25th January 2023, 02:22 PM	#483
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,808	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Avoiding the question. And the answer is: Yes they are elected. *According to you.* The voters have spoken, so in that person goes. Regardless of any flaws and factual evidence they qualify. In fact, in the USA, dead people have been elected a few times. Now, I would have thought that being dead, a non-person if you will, disqualifies you from standing for and being elected to any government position. If you happen to be in an elected government position and die, you certainly cease to be in it any longer - it goes vacant. So it is passing strange that the very same condition that will automatically get you OUT of an elected position is no barrier to getting you IN to that same position. Not exactly logical nor sensible, don't you agree? So now let's consider a situation closer to reality: A candidate in a lunatic asylum who is criminally insane. Let's check if they can stand for office in the USA: Citizen? Tick. Adult? Tick. ...and that's about it! Some feeble-minded fascist feces-flinger is considered "qualified" to stand for elected office. A good idea, in your view, that nobody gets told? Want them in your parliament? Perhaps if their true "situation" was known about beforehand then their prospects of success might change...? By the way, the Burke quote is about AFTER they are elected, not before. It's not the subject of my argument. Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office.
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25th January 2023, 02:28 PM	#484
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,250	Originally Posted by dudalb Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office. ...most?? And the rest? So, being dead, shouldn't that disqualify you from taking office? That election becomes null and void, and needs to be run again with qualifying candidates? Or does the dead person "take their seat"?? Should not also being a criminal? Being a criminal certainly prevents you from voting. And I understand the "general rule" is if you can't vote then you can't stand for office.
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25th January 2023, 02:33 PM	#485
novaphile Quester of Doglets Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sunny South Australia Posts: 4,438	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander ...most?? And the rest? So, being dead, shouldn't that disqualify you from taking office? That election becomes null and void, and needs to be run again with qualifying candidates? Or does the dead person "take their seat"?? Should not also being a criminal? Being a criminal certainly prevents you from voting. And I understand the "general rule" is if you can't vote then you can't stand for office. This one is a big 'depends' depending on the type of seat and the jurisdiction, sometimes the party just appoints a replacement.
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25th January 2023, 02:43 PM	#486
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,404	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Morally, logically, and philosophically you are correct. Practically it would turn into politicians staying in "campaign" mode constantly, even more so then they already do. At a certain point politicians have to be able to stop politic-ing and just do their actual jobs. Also politicians have to be able to make unpopular decisions some times. You balance those issues by making a recall difficult to do. The way I see it, 'campaign mode' would be closer to doing what they say they are going to do—IOW less fake campaign promises.

25th January 2023, 02:44 PM	#487
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,250	Originally Posted by novaphile This one is a big 'depends' depending on the type of seat and the jurisdiction, sometimes the party just appoints a replacement. Then the dead person doesn't "take their seat". Their election is void. That's the point. The reason they don't get seated is everyone knows they are friggin' dead! Likewise, everyone should know the truth about candidates before their election. Same with Santos. It appears a distinct possibility that his election is void on quite a number of grounds. For example, as he is such a prolific liar, is his US citizenship assured? Anyone actually check? I wasn't joking previously when I said I should run for US congress. If a bog-basic check like assuring valid citizenship was never done for Santos, I'm gonna be good to go! And so is every two-bit international crook (I'm only a one-bit version) and charmless, scruple-free lobbyist. Heck, why not just give the Saudis a couple of seats gratis!
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27th January 2023, 03:49 AM	#489
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 23,119	Originally Posted by dudalb Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office. [aside] One of those was Apollo 13 astronaut Jack Swigert; elected to the House from Colorado's 6th district in November 1982, but died from respiratory failure related to his cancer on December 27, seven days before the beginning of his congressional term.
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28th January 2023, 02:19 AM	#491
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,387	Quote: Like superheroes, candidates tell an origin story, often times by describing their families. See the evolution of lies in George Santos’s campaign biography (WP, Jan 27, 2023) At least he believes in evolution ...
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28th January 2023, 01:05 PM	#492
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,250	Originally Posted by dann At least he believes in evolution ... But only when it's convenient.
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28th January 2023, 02:22 PM	#493
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,402	Originally Posted by dann At least he believes in evolution ... When his great-great grandfather was Charles Darwin, he'd kind of have to.

28th January 2023, 05:06 PM	#494
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 53,827	Originally Posted by Stacyhs When ~~his great-great grandfather~~ he was Charles Darwin, he'd kind of have to. FTFY
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28th January 2023, 10:17 PM	#495
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,250	Inside Santos' head:
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29th January 2023, 04:36 PM	#496
novaphile Quester of Doglets Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sunny South Australia Posts: 4,438	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Inside Santos' head: Quote: Oh my God. It's full of squirrels. Weirdly enough, the forum software didn't allow the above. It kept saying: "The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 2 characters."
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29th January 2023, 06:57 PM	#497
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,624	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Inside Santos' head: Oh my God. It's full of squirrels. ETA: Worked for me
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29th January 2023, 08:10 PM	#498
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,603	Originally Posted by novaphile Weirdly enough, the forum software didn't allow the above. It kept saying: "The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 2 characters." It doesn’t count characters inside of quote blocks as part of your message.
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29th January 2023, 08:13 PM	#499
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,749	Originally Posted by dudalb Most of the dead people who were elected died between election day and when they would have taken office. We live in a post-factual and post-shame world. Surely I can’t be alone in thinking that before 2027 someone is going to try to pull a Congressional “Weekend at Bernie’s”
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29th January 2023, 08:28 PM	#500
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,250	Originally Posted by Ladewig We live in a post-factual and post-shame world. Surely I can’t be alone in thinking that before 2027 someone is going to try to pull a Congressional “Weekend at Bernie’s” That was pretty much where my train of argument was heading many posts above. If even being dead doesn't trigger a new election for a seat, then it's only a matter of time that some party is going to elect a whole graveyard of long-mouldering corpses to office and use their "votes by proxy" so that only a handful of party leaders run the whole show. What needs to be federally mandated is that if any candidate, including before an election, becomes ineligible to stand then either their candidacy is terminated, or they immediately lose their seat and an by-election is required to fill it again. Ineligibility will include any conditions where that person is no longer permitted to vote in their state, such as serving a criminal sentence, being a foreigner, being dead, etc.
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29th January 2023, 09:19 PM	#501
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,749	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Georgie claimed in a Brazilian podcast that he was the victim of an assassination attempt, a mugging, and that his home in Florida was vandalized because he's a Republican. None of it has been confirmed by any evidence: Before asking any questions, they weren’t Black, they were even white, but they robbed me, took my briefcase, took my shoes and my watch. “They were even white.” So George, do bigotry much?
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30th January 2023, 02:42 AM	#502
Silly Green Monkey Cowardly Lurking in the Shadows of Greatness Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,523	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander That was pretty much where my train of argument was heading many posts above. If even being dead doesn't trigger a new election for a seat, then it's only a matter of time that some party is going to elect a whole graveyard of long-mouldering corpses to office and use their "votes by proxy" so that only a handful of party leaders run the whole show. What needs to be federally mandated is that if any candidate, including before an election, becomes ineligible to stand then either their candidacy is terminated, or they immediately lose their seat and an by-election is required to fill it again. Ineligibility will include any conditions where that person is no longer permitted to vote in their state, such as serving a criminal sentence, being a foreigner, being dead, etc. From the few cases I've seen, it's not that their seats are held for their term by proxy, but that the party of the deceased is allowed to appoint a replacement candidate. But we don't vote for party, oh no, we vote for people!
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30th January 2023, 05:00 AM	#503
rockinkt Master Poster Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,342	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger You balance those issues by making a recall difficult to do. The way I see it, 'campaign mode' would be closer to doing what they say they are going to do—IOW less fake campaign promises. Most electors don't have a clue what the real issues are and how they can be solved. Most want easy solutions to complex problems they won't take the time to learn about - or actually do not have the ability to understand due to a lack of education or experience. The only way to motivate those voters to vote for you is to offer them easily understandable quick fix solutions that play to their inherent biases. In other words - the best way to lose an election is to tell the truth.
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30th January 2023, 08:21 AM	#504
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 53,827	Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey From the few cases I've seen, it's not that their seats are held for their term by proxy, but that the party of the deceased is allowed to appoint a replacement candidate. But we don't vote for party, oh no, we vote for people! No. If a member of the House leaves office during a term, the seat is vacant until a special election is held in the district. Quote: Vacancies in the House of Representatives typically take far longer to fill. The Constitution requires that member of the House be replaced only by an election held in the congressional district of the former representative. "When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies." -- Article I, Section 2, Clause 4 of the U.S. Constitution During the first two-year session of a Congress, all states, territories, and the District of Columbia are required by current federal law to hold special elections to fill any vacant House seat. However, during the second session of a Congress, procedures often vary depending on the amount of time between the date the vacancy occurs and the date of the next general election. For example, under Section 8 of Title 2, United States Code, a state’s governor can hold a special election at any time in extraordinary circumstances, such as a crisis resulting in the number of vacancies in the House exceeding 100 of the 435 seats. According to the U.S. Constitution and state law, the governor of the state calls for a special election to replace the vacant House seat. The full election cycle must be followed including political party nominating processes, primary elections and a general election, all held in the congressional district involved. The entire process often takes as long as from three to six months. While a House seat is vacant, the office of the former representative remains open, its staff operating under the supervision of the Clerk of the House of Representatives. The people of the affected congressional district do not have voting representation in the House during the vacancy period. They can, however, continue to contact former representative's interim office for assistance with a limited range of services as listed below by the Clerk of the House. https://www.thoughtco.com/how-vacanc...s-in-the-house
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30th January 2023, 09:02 AM	#505
slyjoe Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 3,445	Originally Posted by Ladewig We live in a post-factual and post-shame world. Surely I can’t be alone in thinking that before 2027 someone is going to try to pull a Congressional “Weekend at Bernie’s” That was funny A more likely scenario is a person convicted of a felony, but hasn't had their civil rights restored, could be elected.
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30th January 2023, 03:28 PM	#506
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,624	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Georgie claimed in a Brazilian podcast that he was the victim of an assassination attempt, a mugging, and that his home in Florida was vandalized because he's a Republican. None of it has been confirmed by any evidence: I believe it! People should hate him, he's a piece of **** and a Republican. What's not to believe? Brazilians are no strangers to corrupt politicians by any stretch.
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31st January 2023, 08:20 AM	#507
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,566	George's donors don't exist. Quote: The Regor and Berger contributions are among more than a dozen major donations to the 2020 Santos campaign for which the name or the address of the donor cannot be confirmed, a Mother Jones investigation found. A separate $2,800 donation was attributed in Santos’ reports filed with the Federal Election Commission to a friend of Santos who says he did not give the money. Under federal campaign finance law, it is illegal to donate money using a false name or the name of someone else. “It’s called a contribution in the name of another,” says Saurav Ghosh, the director for federal campaign finance reform at the Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan watchdog group. “It’s something that is explicitly prohibited under federal law.” https://www.motherjones.com/politics...seem-to-exist/

31st January 2023, 09:33 AM	#508
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,370	Santos has removed himself from all committee assignments. I guess he hears the bell tolling.
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31st January 2023, 10:06 AM	#509
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,549	Originally Posted by Hercules56 Santos has removed himself from all committee assignments. I guess he hears the bell tolling. McCarthy didn't hear them when he gave him the committee seats.
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31st January 2023, 11:32 AM	#510
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,250	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza McCarthy didn't hear them when he was told to give him the committee seats. Probably why.
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31st January 2023, 01:53 PM	#511
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,402	Santos deserves everything that is coming to him.

31st January 2023, 04:31 PM	#512
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,808	Originally Posted by smartcooky [aside] One of those was Apollo 13 astronaut Jack Swigert; elected to the House from Colorado's 6th district in November 1982, but died from respiratory failure related to his cancer on December 27, seven days before the beginning of his congressional term. before people ask, he was played by Kevin Bacon in the movie.
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31st January 2023, 04:31 PM	#513
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,808	Originally Posted by Hercules56 Santos has removed himself from all committee assignments. I guess he hears the bell tolling. Maybe he will attempt some kind of plea bargain: no criminal prosuecution if he resigns.
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31st January 2023, 05:44 PM	#514
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,250	Originally Posted by dudalb before people ask, he was played by Kevin Bacon in the movie. So only one degree?
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31st January 2023, 05:46 PM	#515
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,250	Originally Posted by dudalb Maybe he will attempt some kind of plea bargain: no criminal prosuecution if he resigns. I don't think his fellow GOP members can offer or guarantee him that. Charges would appear to be up to the ... DoJ? Electoral Commission (whatever it is called in the USA)?
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31st January 2023, 09:09 PM	#516
Chris_Halkides Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 11,020	people with no shame “The thing we have to be careful of, and I always caution myself on this, and I ran into this trouble with Trump, is we cannot mistake absurdity for lack of danger, because it takes people with no shame to do shameful things,” Stewart said on the latest episode of his podcast, “The Problem With Jon Stewart.” “In absurdity is where the real danger always is,” he added. Huffpost
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1st February 2023, 03:53 AM	#517
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,402	Originally Posted by Chris_Halkides “The thing we have to be careful of, and I always caution myself on this, and I ran into this trouble with Trump, is we cannot mistake absurdity for lack of danger, because it takes people with no shame to do shameful things,” Stewart said on the latest episode of his podcast, “The Problem With Jon Stewart.” “In absurdity is where the real danger always is,” he added. Huffpost In 2016, I thought that there was no way this country would vote a clown like Trump into the WH. He was just such a blatant liar and narcissist. Did I ever get a dose of reality.