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Old 23rd March 2017, 07:58 AM   #1121
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JERUSALEM — The police on Thursday arrested an Israeli teenager who holds American citizenship in connection with scores of threats to Jewish institutions, including dozens of community centers in the United States, law enforcement officials said.

A spokesman for the police here, Micky Rosenfeld, said the suspect, from the Ashkelon area of southern Israel, had also made threats to institutions in Australia and New Zealand, as well as to at least one commercial airline flight, forcing an emergency landing.

“This is the guy we are talking about,” Mr. Rosenfeld said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/u...=tw-share&_r=0
Between this one and the fake-news reporter trying to frame his girlfriend how many of the threats are accounted for now?
It's almost as though if you set up a society where victim points are the most highly prized currency that you can cash in for money, fame, deference, and power... people will lie their rumps off about victimhood incidents!

Btw, the power of "victimhood points" and the power of controlling a narrative are the basis for what holocaust revisionists think happened with the popular understanding of those events. Powerful people, victors in a war, with strong incentives to exaggerate and add many layers of victim narrative BS onto real events which were sufficiently awful without all the nonsense.

I would just recommend that anyone who completely dismisses revisionism about WW2 take a moment to consider how this thread has played out, the powerful allure of victim points, and the classic adage "the victors write the history books."

There was a hell of a good victimhood "cash in" to be had in the wake of that war, and billions of dollars flow to this day based on it. A militaristic, expansionist, eugenicist ethnostate gets very little questioning about their policies thanks to it too.
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Old 23rd March 2017, 08:10 AM   #1122
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But he was a Trump supporter, right?
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Old 23rd March 2017, 09:11 AM   #1123
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank View Post
It's almost as though if you set up a society where victim points are the most highly prized currency
Snort. Your entire shtick is whining that white people are an endangered species. Save it.
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Old 23rd March 2017, 09:21 AM   #1124
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Snort. Your entire shtick is whining that white people are an endangered species. Save it.
I think it's actually pretty understandable for a multiracial society to devolve into every group feeling aggrieved and threatened by other groups, and a spiral of endless recriminations.

Why? Because all of the groups have some degree of an actual point at the basis of their grievances. Some exaggerate it more than others, but all are getting at the same basic truth: the society isn't properly reflecting or serving ANY of them because a society cannot reflect the character, wishes, spirit and best interests of multiple incompatible, profoundly different groups at one time.

This is why I favor homogeneity. It improves the odds of harmony (though it does not guarantee it, but diversity guarantees disharmony.) and each group can feel they have their own space to be themselves.

Perhaps it would make sense to designate some spaces on the globe for cosmopolitan mixing, but no one should be put into a breeding competition within their own borders for control of their own lands.

And btw, in case you haven't noticed, none of this is going to be allowed to continue. Whites aren't going to quietly slip into oblivion voluntarily. The next 30 years will be wild.
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Old 23rd March 2017, 09:48 AM   #1125
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Image assembly of hate crime hoaxes I saw someone post.

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Old 23rd March 2017, 02:33 PM   #1126
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
Right, I'm sure you'll fool someone with that one.
No fooling. You literally said:

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Ah, it doesn't count because it's only vandalism. Amazing how few crimes we have when we ignore or discount every example!
That wasn't anything I was proposing. That was all you.
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Old 23rd March 2017, 02:44 PM   #1127
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No fooling. You literally said:



That wasn't anything I was proposing. That was all you.
That wasn't what you were proposing? Well, that sure could have fooled someone. That that was what you meant was far more plausible than that I actually meant my sarcastic agreement with you.
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Old 23rd March 2017, 04:54 PM   #1129
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank View Post
Image assembly of hate crime hoaxes I saw someone post.

http://i.imgur.com/WzpyMi5.jpg

Anecdotalanche!!!!
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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
'Just vandalism' has already been used in this thread to claim things aren't hate crimes, and thus don't belong in this thread. But, I'm sure this time it is different.
Does this indicate that you are admitting that you made an assumption and responded to your assumption rather than the actual post.
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Old 23rd March 2017, 05:35 PM   #1131
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Tank View Post

Btw, the power of "victimhood points" and the power of controlling a narrative are the basis for what holocaust revisionists think happened with the popular understanding of those events. Powerful people, victors in a war, with strong incentives to exaggerate and add many layers of victim narrative BS onto real events which were sufficiently awful without all the nonsense.

I would just recommend that anyone who completely dismisses revisionism about WW2 take a moment to consider how this thread has played out, the powerful allure of victim points, and the classic adage "the victors write the history books."

There was a hell of a good victimhood "cash in" to be had in the wake of that war, and billions of dollars flow to this day based on it. A militaristic, expansionist, eugenicist ethnostate gets very little questioning about their policies thanks to it too.
It's refreshing to have an honest Trump enthusiast freely express himself.
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Old 23rd March 2017, 05:57 PM   #1132
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Does this indicate that you are admitting that you made an assumption and responded to your assumption rather than the actual post.
What are you struggling with? The idea that a group of posters in this thread ignore or dismiss any hate crimes? Read back over just the last page or 2 to see plenty of evidence of that. Is it that "just vandalism" has been used to do just that? I can't easily search back through posts on Tapatalk, but I can find it for you later if you haven't seen it. <snip>

I've seen that you have accepted that some of the crimes brought up in this thread were real, and it's a sad state of affairs that people think it's ok to act like that. <snip>

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What are you struggling with? The idea that a group of posters in this thread ignore or dismiss any hate crimes? Read back over just the last page or 2 to see plenty of evidence of that. Is it that "just vandalism" has been used to do just that? I can't easily search back through posts on Tapatalk, but I can find it for you later if you haven't seen it. <snip>

I've seen that you have accepted that some of the crimes brought up in this thread were real, and it's a sad state of affairs that people think it's ok to act like that. <snip>
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Old 23rd March 2017, 06:28 PM   #1136
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It's almost as though if you set up a society where victim points are the most highly prized currency that you can cash in for money, fame, deference, and power... people will lie their rumps off about victimhood incidents!
Such as tales of black-on-white brutal sexual violence so beloved of white supremacists who use it to justify their persecution complex.

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Btw, the power of "victimhood points" and the power of controlling a narrative are the basis for what holocaust revisionists think happened with the popular understanding of those events. Powerful people, victors in a war, with strong incentives to exaggerate and add many layers of victim narrative BS onto real events which were sufficiently awful without all the nonsense.

I would just recommend that anyone who completely dismisses revisionism about WW2 take a moment to consider how this thread has played out, the powerful allure of victim points, and the classic adage "the victors write the history books."

There was a hell of a good victimhood "cash in" to be had in the wake of that war, and billions of dollars flow to this day based on it. A militaristic, expansionist, eugenicist ethnostate gets very little questioning about their policies thanks to it too.
Oh, look. A white supremacist sympathetic to Holocaust denial. How novel and unexpected.
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Such as tales of black-on-white brutal sexual violence so beloved of white supremacists who use it to justify their persecution complex.

Oh, look. A white supremacist sympathetic to Holocaust denial. How novel and unexpected.
She's in jail for doing that, ya' know. I mean, even in Texas, there are limits as to what is tolerated. Strange, but true.
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Old 23rd March 2017, 06:37 PM   #1138
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She's in jail for doing that, ya' know. I mean, even in Texas, there are limits as to what is tolerated. Strange, but true.
Does it not count if the hoaxer gets arrested and/or charged for making the hoax?

If so, that takes out almost all of the ones in Skeptic Tank's image.
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Originally Posted by A'isha;11769264[HILITE
]Does it not count if the hoaxer gets arrested and/or charged for making the hoax?[/hilite]

If so, that takes out almost all of the ones in Skeptic Tank's image.
Yeah...I guess it does. It's certainly one less dangerous liar that society must deal with.
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Such as tales of black-on-white brutal sexual violence so beloved of white supremacists who use it to justify their persecution complex.
This is an example of a hoax crime report. Is it necessarily a "hate" crime hoax? It's an example of a white woman making up a rape story involving black men. Did she originally say she had been targeted specifically because she was white?
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This is an example of a hoax crime report. Is it necessarily a "hate" crime hoax? It's an example of a white woman making up a rape story involving black men. Did she originally say she had been targeted specifically because she was white?
Well, cops are generally much better about these things...but this type of hoax has...caused problems in my own life. I see very little distinction between this and a "hate crime".
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Well, cops are generally much better about these things...but this type of hoax has...caused problems in my own life. I see very little distinction between this and a "hate crime".
Who is the hate directed at?
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Old 24th March 2017, 01:06 PM   #1143
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Who is the hate directed at?
In both cases, an attempt to exploit hatred towards black people. Famously successful on the 80s, this time...not so much.

ETA: still haven't seen any sign of a "massive increase" - and I'd actually expect an increase to be gradual and caused by the election of *Obama* rather than Trump - whose election despite being a brazen bigot is another effect of that.

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Yet another hoax in the name of diversity.

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In both cases, an attempt to exploit hatred towards black people. Famously successful on the 80s, this time...not so much.

ETA: still haven't seen any sign of a "massive increase" - and I'd actually expect an increase to be gradual and caused by the election of *Obama* rather than Trump - whose election despite being a brazen bigot is another effect of that.
I see what you're saying... not sure that exploiting a stereotype is really a hate crime though.
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I think it's actually pretty understandable for a multiracial society to devolve into every group feeling aggrieved and threatened by other groups, and a spiral of endless recriminations.

Why? Because all of the groups have some degree of an actual point at the basis of their grievances. Some exaggerate it more than others, but all are getting at the same basic truth: the society isn't properly reflecting or serving ANY of them because a society cannot reflect the character, wishes, spirit and best interests of multiple incompatible, profoundly different groups at one time.

This is why I favor homogeneity. It improves the odds of harmony (though it does not guarantee it, but diversity guarantees disharmony.) and each group can feel they have their own space to be themselves.

Perhaps it would make sense to designate some spaces on the globe for cosmopolitan mixing, but no one should be put into a breeding competition within their own borders for control of their own lands.

And btw, in case you haven't noticed, none of this is going to be allowed to continue. Whites aren't going to quietly slip into oblivion voluntarily. The next 30 years will be wild.
Ah, that brings back memories. Max The Neanderthal said much the same thing around forty millennia ago. Nice to see humanity has progressed so much in the past forty thousand years.

And ya know what? Anthropologists since there was anthropology have believed Ol' Max. Blamed homo sapiens sapiens for wiping him and all his kind out. Turns out that's wrong. Many were (probably the separatists), but as we now know from gene/DNA studies, the Neanderthals weren't wiped out, at all, were they? They followed Rodney King's advice and found a way to all get along.

Take heart in that knowledge. Just as Neanderthals are still with us, your precious white bodily essence will stay in the make-up of future generations of yellowish-brownish-pinkish humans.

By the way, did no one else notice that you actually seem to be calling to arms for the coming race war?
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Ah, that brings back memories. Max The Neanderthal said much the same thing around forty millennia ago. Nice to see humanity has progressed so much in the past forty thousand years.

And ya know what? Anthropologists since there was anthropology have believed Ol' Max. Blamed homo sapiens sapiens for wiping him and all his kind out. Turns out that's wrong. Many were (probably the separatists), but as we now know from gene/DNA studies, the Neanderthals weren't wiped out, at all, were they? They followed Rodney King's advice and found a way to all get along.

Take heart in that knowledge. Just as Neanderthals are still with us, your precious white bodily essence will stay in the make-up of future generations of yellowish-brownish-pinkish humans.

By the way, did no one else notice that you actually seem to be calling to arms for the coming race war?
Oh joy, we get to live on as a tiny percentage point or two of genetic remnant within the blood of the infinite, dusky third world hordes! Yippee!

You're proving my point for me. Everyone considers the Neanderthals to be extinct, their genetic remnant notwithstanding.

As for a call to arms? I'm certainly hoping that whites will stop going to their oblivion (or status as tiny genetic remnant) without a fight, but this is more an instance of me predicting an inevitability. This is part of why the plan for multiracial society was foolish in the first place. This backlash was entirely predictable. No plan that required that this not happen was a good plan, because this was always going to happen.

I'm certainly not advocating for violence. Just predicting a lot of strife to come. Plenty of it here already.
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Oh joy, we get to live on as a tiny percentage point or two of genetic remnant within the blood of the infinite, dusky third world hordes! Yippee!
Keep trying to cash in those "victimhood points," ST.
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I always wonder just how "genetically pure" white supremacists think they really are.
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Yet another hoax in the name of diversity.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quick...tavus-adolphus
That's not actually a "hoax", as the linked article shows.

Meanwhile, I can't wait to hear how this is a hoax. Perhaps the murder victim actually killed himself to frame this guy?
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That's not actually a "hoax", as the linked article shows.

Meanwhile, I can't wait to hear how this is a hoax. Perhaps the murder victim actually killed himself to frame this guy?
Putting up fake racist signs is certainly a hoax.

I'll ignore your strawman reference to the racist sword attack
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I always wonder just how "genetically pure" white supremacists think they really are.
Fairly, I'd say?



Conversations about "purity" can get pretty silly, though.

The point is, white people exist and we are a legitimate category with a right to self-determination and a right to exist.

Nobody questions whether "males" and "females" exist simply because there are some edge cases and not all males have exactly the same amount of testosterone, etc.

Similarly, when black people express concerns about threats to them as a group or the condition of their group or its future, nobody pretends not to understand what group they're referring to or badgers them about purity.
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That's not "genetically pure", that's merely a measure of what percent of the current average genetics of a particular geographic area you have. Modern "Northwestern European" genetics is the result of a large variety of different peoples with different genetics that have invaded and interbred with each other for millennia. The "purest" modern Englishman is as much of a genetic mutt as everyone else.

EDIT: Even the very names in your image there reveal that the different groups of so-called "white Europeans" have distinct genetics due to the different admixtures they've all undergone.

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Conversations about "purity" can get pretty silly, though.
Which apparently doesn't stop you from continuing to natter on about it for the rest of your post as if it mattered.

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The point is, white people exist and we are a legitimate category with a right to self-determination and a right to exist.
No, "white people" is not a category in the ethnic or cultural way that you're trying to make it. Not if it's a category broad enough to include people like me (which it does).

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Nobody questions whether "males" and "females" exist simply because there are some edge cases and not all males have exactly the same amount of testosterone, etc.
That's an incredibly dumb analogy, not least because we're not exactly talking about "edge cases" when it comes to the broad genetic variety of "white people".

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Similarly, when black people express concerns about threats to them as a group or the condition of their group or its future, nobody pretends not to understand what group they're referring to or badgers them about purity.
That's because there's an actual long, documented history of what has happened to African-Americans. All white supremacists have is whining and faux victimization complexes.

And I see you have no problem considering African-Americans "black people" despite the fact that on average they're 20-30% European by genetic heritage. So maybe your freaking the **** out about the genetics of "white people" being "tainted" is not just premature, but kind of ridiculous.
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And I see you have no problem considering African-Americans "black people" despite the fact that on average they're 20-30% European by genetic heritage. So maybe your freaking the **** out about the genetics of "white people" being "tainted" is not just premature, but kind of ridiculous.

How is calling them African American any better if they are 20-30% European?

I'm 50% Italian but I'm considered a white guy. Never been to Italy, I am not Italian, or Italian American.

When I managed a club I asked a black customer which of the two he preferred to be called - African American or black. He said he didn't really care, although he was not American but was indeed black.

Now we are back to calling them "colored" (people of color, to be precise). Crazy country.
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How is calling them African American any better if they are 20-30% European?
Because one is a standard, accepted term that includes their nationality, while the other is a description of their genetic heritage used the same way white supremacists in the US talk about their "European" genetics despite being American themselves.

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Which is itself another blow to Skeptic Tank's thesis about the genetics of white people. Particularly if your ancestors were Southern Italian or Sicilian.
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Between this one and the fake-news reporter trying to frame his girlfriend how many of the threats are accounted for now?
The answer to your question is probably all of them.
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Because one is a standard, accepted term that includes their nationality, while the other is a description of their genetic heritage used the same way white supremacists in the US talk about their "European" genetics despite being American themselves.


Which is itself another blow to Skeptic Tank's thesis about the genetics of white people. Particularly if your ancestors were Southern Italian or Sicilian.
Sure it's standard now, but that changes decade to decade. I've never met a black person that was offended by being called black, and like I said, I've asked. Not saying they don't exist, of course. I didn't ask them all.

Not all Black people in America are African either, or American. I have no problem being called white and I think it's easier to drop all the PC bull. We call "Orientals" Asians now, but we don't call Russians Asian even though Russia is in Asia. So how descriptive is that? It's stupid. If you want to describe a person, then describe them.

Or do this:

"See that guy standing over there?"
"Which one? I see 4?"
"The guy with the black suit and pinstripes."
"Ok, they all have similar suits."
"The guy that's taller"
"Okay there are 2 tall guys that are the same height"
"One has a moustache"
"Oh you mean the black guy, geez why didn't you say so?"

If we want to describe people we should simply describe them and not play cutesy with the words.

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