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27th November 2017, 12:03 PM | #1 |
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Help debunking Nazca lines linked with Angkor Wat
There is apparently somebody called Jim Allison who has produced maps of global rings which show all sorts of ancient places linked within a band of narrow width. My heart sinks! Could someone please help me find suitable rational information to counter thisstuff. The proposer of this is convinced of its veracity, but at least I must make sure that other readers do not think we all think that it is so.
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27th November 2017, 12:11 PM | #2 |
Now. Do it now.
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Got a link, Susan? I could do with a giggle.
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27th November 2017, 12:15 PM | #3 |
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If I had the time and energy, I would try to calculate just how many potential lines there are. Our buddy Jim Alison (one 'L') says the following:
Originally Posted by Jim Alison
So we would have some absurdly large number of potential rings, and since we're not limiting our selection of relevant sites to any particular culture we have a very target rich environment. Also, remember that we don't need to name our targets ahead of time - we can just draw circles endlessly until one goes through a few places we've deemed interesting, even if there are thousands more sites that it misses. (In other words, remember the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.) With all this in mind, OF COURSE he found a circle or two that cross through multiple ancient sites! It would be far stranger if he didn't! |
27th November 2017, 12:16 PM | #4 |
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http://geolines.ru/eng/publications/...EODESY_39.html
This is what I found. I only skimmed it though. |
27th November 2017, 12:17 PM | #5 |
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My thought would be that you could choose any similar band that crosses temperate and equatorial land masses and arrive at similar results.
In other words, it's something like a Texas sharpshooter fallacy: "Hmm, I found all these sites I'd like to link...if I can draw a line between them then..." ETA: Doh! Ninja'ed. But yeah, having seen the "methodology", you have a infinite number of bands to choose from, so I'd be MUCH more surprised if you couldn't link multiple sites on a band. |
27th November 2017, 12:35 PM | #6 |
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I've forgotten what to click on to get all the multi-qquotes here!
Many thanks for the very helpful replies, much appreciated. I'll send pm's to you with a link to my post on the forum concerned. |
27th November 2017, 12:38 PM | #7 |
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27th November 2017, 12:44 PM | #8 |
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Addendum to my previous post - if you want to show the absurdity of this, it would be easy to draw your own circles. The trick is, you don't want to do it with ancient sites because if you succeed that just reinforces their point. Instead, do it with something else. Waffle House locations. Sex toy factories. Google's data centers.
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27th November 2017, 12:50 PM | #9 |
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27th November 2017, 01:10 PM | #10 |
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Many thanks for further posts!
I sent pms - hope they've arrived. Would you like links too, trebuchet? |
27th November 2017, 01:13 PM | #11 |
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27th November 2017, 01:25 PM | #12 |
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Maybe KoTA will be along to 'splain it all to us.
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27th November 2017, 04:13 PM | #13 |
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Yep. It's just a trick where you note the hits and ignore the misses and magical shapes can be shown. I also see this ridiculous claim for hidden shapes in Shakespeare's Sonnets.
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27th November 2017, 11:37 PM | #14 |
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That's the one I was thinking about myself as well.
Starts at about 6 minutes in.
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28th November 2017, 02:05 AM | #16 |
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28th November 2017, 05:03 AM | #17 |
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28th November 2017, 05:33 AM | #18 |
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28th November 2017, 04:53 PM | #19 |
I would save the receptionist.
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I remember reading that one needs to take a pretty expansive view of what constitutes "important" ancient places while ignoring quite a few others. It looks like he drew a circle connecting two points and then looked to see what else the line happened to cross. It's the definition of confirmation bias.
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29th November 2017, 01:49 AM | #20 |
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29th November 2017, 02:04 PM | #21 |
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