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20th October 2017, 06:26 AM | #521 |
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Yes, Gilgamesh, Noah, the other flood myths...ALL TRUE. This flood, even if it didn't physically reach these locations, disrupted the global trade and civilization that this society depended on.
Not to be discussed here, but I believe some, or many escaped 'into the heavens' and are responsible for the UFO's we see today. Please hear me THIS TIME: The ruins ARE evidence of this ancient civilization. |
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Sure, every fish hook, spear, shard of pottery, tooth, brick, dungheap or fire pit sits in the vaults of some excentric millionaire who prefers to keep every last shard of evidence of a never before documented world spanning civilisation secret, because reasons... Should we move this thread to CT?
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I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.
All the animal bones, the teeth, the shells, all of it? In private collections, spirited away without a single piece being found when the owner died, never being sold, never stolen and surfacing in the market later, never being donated to museums? Really? Furthermore, how could you possibly know this? If all these missing artefacts are being held in private collections, and have never been shown to the public, how do you know they are there? As for misattribution, perhaps you could share your expertise with the poor ignorant museum curators of the world, and clear this up? Again, with this point, how could you know this? |
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Let me repeat:
Why do you keep stating "stone chisels", and "flint chisels"? The methods suggested have included wooden wedges, and stone mauls to make depressions in surfaces then smoothed down with flat stones and abrasive sand. Has anyone insisted on "stone chisels"? |
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Ridiculous?
Yes, what was not destroyed or carried away by the flood was collected and still exists, or has yet to be found. Google: "unexplainable ancient machines" Shall we begin with Dr. Hawass, and how difficult it is to do research or dig at Giza? I KNOW Puma Punku was NOT created using chisels because I have carved many kinds of stones using various tools. |
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Oh my I hope you don't think PP was made with diorite - that is lie made up by fringe people who delight in misleading people - are you mislead too?
Yawn, you've already been told, pounders & abrasives. Look up that word, then go read Protzen's books and paper. Then you won't be uneducated - it isn't hard. You keep repeating the same claims - why do you think they get better on repeating? lol Remember that stone you didn't know about - yeah an incomplete PP stone, showing sections finished, in progress and not started - using pounders and abrasives.
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Easiest structure to make if you want to get up high in the sky, all these pyramids were built in different ways and had different purposes and were built thousands of years apart.
'World trade huh' so where are all the common 'bits' to be found on every continent? Ever hear of Arikamedu. Silly me of course you haven't research is obviously not a big factor in your beliefs....chuckle Roman trade port in India: Lots of Romans stuff there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arikamedu THAT is what happens in trade between civilizations - not what your 'trade' causes - nothing. |
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So summary
KOTA provided: the same claims with no evidence.....lets see how long he will do that before everyone dies from boredom. |
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Michael Shermer vs. "alternative history" Hancock and Crandall
Jesus, he’s still going on about Puma Punka. He was schooled on this here literally years ago. Refusal to learn is sad.
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Nobody is ignoring ruins. People are patiently explaining that the ruins are not evidence for advanced civilisations or a world flood; that they were made by pounding and abrasion, and similar simple processes, not with lasers and diamond tipped drills, or indeed flint chisels; that they were made at different times, in different places, in different formats, by different cultures, some literate and some not so; that the materials which composed them were accessed in normal ways, from normal sources, and were amenable to the techniques used to transport and work them; that they were made by people who practiced agriculture or, in an early case, collection and fermentation of wild grains; that they are not associated archaeologically with industrially produced artefacts ... etc etc etc: but all you can invoke is some junk video, which you refuse to sustain with explanation or argumentation. Ignore them, you say? Not in the least.
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King of America is currently channelling the opening "blurb" from the 1961 fictional fantasy movie "Atlantis : The Lost Continent". This is where the narrator asks why there are pyramids in both the Americas and Near East and then claims they both belongs to the world spanning empire of Atlantis. At the end of the movie the whole of Atlantis sinks.
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Now insert 'time' into that ludicrous poppycock.
Look, a bronze axe with stone scaring does not a stone empire make... In order to create those stone blocks, to interlock with one another, it would have taken hundreds and hundreds of stone masons working tens of thousands of hours and a written language! There would have been thousands upon thousands of those chisels employed, yet only ONE was recovered?? I am not saying their explanation isn't possible, but they'd need to show signs of a large settlement, tools, debris, 'a written language,' i.e. AN ADVANCED CIVILIZATION in order to fulfill the needs of this theory. Stone hammers and abrasives would have required time and manpowered, not evidenced. |
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The stone pounders are seemingly evidenced. A written language is amply evidenced for the Great Pyramid, but not for Peru. These were not cultures in contact at the different times when these respective monuments were constructed. Why does stonework require writing? Assuming other methods of storing information are available when needed, e.g. Knotted string tallies. But that there was no unified advanced civilisation is very clear, from the fact that there are no technologically advanced artefacts, let alone similar ones on different continents. Pyramids and the like are not technologically advanced. The "flood washed them away" theory fails, because there are plenty of delicate fragile artefacts in excavated sites, all evident products of non-advanced technology.
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Cocaine mummies
Just a note: I see KOTA ran away but there is something amusing about his mentioning this. He was asked to provide evidence of international trade at the time 12,000 years ago when he said his imaginary civilization existed. Of the mummies that were tested, the oldest was from 1000 BCE the others from the Persian and Greek periods. So he was trying to use 'evidence' from 9,000 years later.............lol Oh, and also of course there are a large number of reasons why that study has never been duplicated and the many caveats that must be applied to it. There was no international trade between Classical Egypt and the Americas. (that we know of) |
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Now for lurkers and the intelligent people here:
Updated: I made a mistake in the ages they are: All the mummies tested were from the Egyptian Museum, Munich and they had been dated to a period spanning 1070BCE – 395AD. Cocaine and hashish were also found in all 9 samples and nicotine was present in all but one of the samples tested. 11. Balabanova, S., Parsche, F. and Pirsig, W. (1992) "First Identification of Drugs in Egyptian Mummies" Naturwissenschaften 79: 358. A full look at this can be found here: http://www.hallofmaat.com/modules.ph...article&sid=45 |
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Good news. I found the original 3 minute opening scene of the movie Atlantis : The Lost Continent (1961): "a series of Mysteries". It is from this three minute scene that King of America is getting his "evidence."
This is the "evidence" that Atlantis was real, due to things like pyramids and bananas appearing on both continents. It is very easy to spot all the holes. This clip is impressive because it is from 1961 and almost a decade before Von Daniken used to same rubbish arguments in his film "Chariot of the Gods". Entertainingly, the voice over artist is Paul Frees who later played Boris Badenov in the Rocky & Bullwinkle Show. Turner Network / Classic Trailers / Opener "Atlantis : The Lost Continent" http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/1...Mysteries.html |
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