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Old 12th December 2020, 08:40 AM   #1
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How far is this going to go?

Fox News now has stories about state legislatures calling for secession. Mike Flynn is calling for martial law and to redo the election.

How far is this going to go? Might we actually have a state legislature vote on articles of secession? What if Trump does start talking about an election do over enforced by the Army?

I think Democrats and rational Republicans, and perhaps the Joint Chiefs-of-Staff need to start having discussions about how to deal with "what if?".
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Old 12th December 2020, 08:55 AM   #2
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I've seen social media posts and statements on letterhead of GOP organ entities.

Have any of them been brave/stupid enough to do so while engaging in their official duties or on government organ letterhead?
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Old 12th December 2020, 08:59 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
I've seen social media posts and statements on letterhead of GOP organ entities.

Have any of them been brave/stupid enough to do so while engaging in their official duties or on government organ letterhead?
Not that I'm aware of.

I expect there will be more calls for secession amongst the calls for the selected Democrat Electors to vote for Trump instead of Biden (fat chance!!!).
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Old 12th December 2020, 09:21 AM   #4
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There's a group called "StoptheSteal" which is going to hold some marches to protest what they can't accept (Reuters via MSN)-

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The Washington rally will begin with marches around the U.S. Capitol, the U.S. Supreme Court and Justice Department "with prayers for the walls of corruption and election fraud to fall down," according to StopTheSteal.com.
I think they will get all the help they are entitled to from their prayers (heh). But, really, other than that, I don't expect much more than a bunch of noise. After Obama won re-election in 2012, there was a lot of similar posturing (Mother Jones), including this, from a guy who was treasurer of the GOP organization in Hardin County, Texas (of course)-

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We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity…Texas was once its own country, and many Texans already think in nationalist terms about their state. We need to do everything possible to encourage a long-term shift in thinking on this issue. Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years.
And there are more examples of the same sort of thing in links at the bottom of that MJ article, including Michele Bachmann having as her South Carolina campaign chair in 2011 a guy who said "If at first you don’t secede, try again.”

Meh- sore losers gonna sore lose. Trump himself has gone about as far as he can go with anything that might get him any actual results, but will continue to go as far as he can to fleece the faithful.
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Are you seriously asking how stupid Trump supporters can get?
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How far? I don't know how far this particular insanity will go.

But I DO know endgame.

Rightwing authoritarian corpofascism with one-party (easy to guess which one) system.

Obviously, it will still call itself democracy and have sham elections, Russia-style.
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Old 12th December 2020, 10:23 AM   #7
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Republicans are good at undoing things, not really good at creating something new.

There is zero chance that they will really do anything meaningful.


All of this is just an excuse to obstruct Biden at every turn, nothing more.
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Old 12th December 2020, 10:32 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Republicans are good at undoing things, not really good at creating something new.

There is zero chance that they will really do anything meaningful.


All of this is just an excuse to obstruct Biden at every turn, nothing more.
I don't know about that.

I just thought up one of those political cartoons you see in the papers that I'm not skilled enough to create myself, but which I think accurately summarizes the situation:

There's a mountain. Near the top of the mountain there's a golden rock which is propping up a massive boulder. Attached to the golden rock there's a rope, leading down the slope to a town. Pulling on the rope are a bunch of red-hatted people, led by a fat man with bad hair who shouts about how the golden rock is rightfully his. Behind them sits the two town elders, one of whom exclaims that the fat man has every right to pull the rope.
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As someone who has been a close observer of local politics for over 20 years, I think the tumult and shouting will soon die down and the interest wane. The smart politicians who lose an election relax, stay cool, and bide their time. After a while, all is either forgotten or forgiven, and they can regain their seats without a fuss.

But I could be wrong.
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Russiagate went on for years. Sore losers tend not to move on.
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Originally Posted by Sherman Bay View Post
As someone who has been a close observer of local politics for over 20 years, I think the tumult and shouting will soon die down and the interest wane. The smart politicians who lose an election relax, stay cool, and bide their time. After a while, all is either forgotten or forgiven, and they can regain their seats without a fuss.

But I could be wrong.

I think I see why you could be.
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Old 12th December 2020, 11:18 AM   #12
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Russiagate went on for years. Sore losers tend not to move on.
you really don't get it, do you?
you just want to troll.
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Trump for certain will never accept defeat. He'll probably get someone to give him the oath of office on 20 January and go on claiming he's still President. A good many Republicans will agree with him, probably including some R dominated state legislatures. Secession? Not seeing it. That got pretty much settled 155 years ago.
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Russiagate went on for years. Sore losers tend not to move on.
But, be fair. It never amounted to anything. It made a lot of headlines, and took up a lot of time and energy. It affected some careers, but it didn't bring down the president, and probably was even a win, politically, for the Republicans, although that's difficult to measure.

Trump supporters won't shut up about the election, but it doesn't really matter. They lost. Their guy will be out in 40 days. They will continue to whine, but no one will care.

ETA: Correction. Political junkies will care, and the left wing will whine about the right wing whining. Heck, I will probably even make a post or two about it myself, but in the grand scheme of things, it won't matter.
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Trump for certain will never accept defeat. He'll probably get someone to give him the oath of office on 20 January and go on claiming he's still President. A good many Republicans will agree with him, probably including some R dominated state legislatures. Secession? Not seeing it. That got pretty much settled 155 years ago.
I fear this time the Right Wing may decide **** has hit the fan and they will act. Small acts of terrorism, kidnappings, who the hell knows. And yes maybe even one state voting for secession or a state referendum on secession.

I pray I am wrong and just worrying to much.
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Old 12th December 2020, 11:31 AM   #16
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To be brutally cynical:

the more violent and outspoken the Violent Right becomes in its opposition to the Biden Administration, the easier it will be to use the Law to deal a blow to the movement from which it won't recover for decade.
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I fear this time the Right Wing may decide **** has hit the fan and they will act. Small acts of terrorism, kidnappings, who the hell knows. And yes maybe even one state voting for secession or a state referendum on secession.

I pray I am wrong and just worrying to much.
So basicaly second civil war?
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
To be brutally cynical:

the more violent and outspoken the Violent Right becomes in its opposition to the Biden Administration, the easier it will be to use the Law to deal a blow to the movement from which it won't recover for decade.
The secessionists need to remember what happened the last time that was tried.
The gentleman in my Avatar could give them details.
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The secessionists need to remember what happened the last time that was tried.
The gentleman in my Avatar could give them details.
Some people never learn.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Trump for certain will never accept defeat. He'll probably get someone to give him the oath of office on 20 January and go on claiming he's still President. A good many Republicans will agree with him, probably including some R dominated state legislatures. Secession? Not seeing it. That got pretty much settled 155 years ago.
DOn't see an real diffference between secussion and setting up a rival US Government. Distinctin wihout a difference. Second Civil War situation.
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Old 12th December 2020, 11:37 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
To be brutally cynical:

the more violent and outspoken the Violent Right becomes in its opposition to the Biden Administration, the easier it will be to use the Law to deal a blow to the movement from which it won't recover for decade.
And to justify some of the gun rules Biden wants, such as registering all assault weapons under the NFA and ban future sales.
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Has anyone established that the opening sentence of the OP is true? It appears to be majorly wrong. I can't find any stories at Fox News about state legislatures calling for secession. One legislator (which is a lot different than legislatures) and a few other isolated individuals (Limbaugh, who has backtracked for example) have brought it up. Geraldo Rivera of Fox News has responded to Limbaugh by saying secession is treason.


Link please?
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Thinking about it, I'll be surprised if some R states don't try claiming that since Biden isn't a legitimate President, new Federal laws or regulations don't apply to them. Especially if they are Executive Orders.
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Has anyone established that the opening sentence of the OP is true? It appears to be majorly wrong. I can't find any stories at Fox News about state legislatures calling for secession. One legislator (which is a lot different than legislatures) and a few other isolated individuals (Limbaugh, who has backtracked for example) have brought it up. Geraldo Rivera of Fox News has responded to Limbaugh by saying secession is treason.


Link please?
Rush Limbaugh made the call, a state legislator in Texas has made the call.

I didn't mean to suggest any state legislaTURES had said this.
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And all of this when Biden won decisively. Imagine if the result had actually been close?
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The secessionists need to remember what happened the last time that was tried.
The gentleman in my Avatar could give them details.
As could the one in mine.
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How far will this go?

Republicans won't change course until one of their own gets killed by someone taking them literally.
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Oh and FYI, nutcase Alex Jones of Infowars is now defending calls for martial law and a military organized redo of the election.

He says the "ChiCom" and "New World Order" takeover of the USA justifies it.
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As could the one in mine.
I have often thought Georgia could use another little visit from General Sherman...
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Oh and FYI, nutcase Alex Jones of Infowars is now defending calls for martial law and a military organized redo of the election.

He says the "ChiCom" and "New World Order" takeover of the USA justifies it.
Most unsurprising nrews of the year.
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Rush Limbaugh made the call, a state legislator in Texas has made the call.

I didn't mean to suggest any state legislaTURES had said this.
Limbaugh rapidly backtrackes, though.
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Thinking about it, I'll be surprised if some R states don't try claiming that since Biden isn't a legitimate President, new Federal laws or regulations don't apply to them. Especially if they are Executive Orders.
I don't think I am a pollyanna about the current GOP; but I think that is prerry far fetched.
But then you seem addicted to doomsday scenarios.
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I don't think I am a pollyanna about the current GOP; but I think that is prerry far fetched.
But then you seem addicted to doomsday scenarios.
I guess we'll see!
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It is the same performative actions as the culture war. They don't do much about the culture war than complain about it.
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I won't be shocked if we get an alt inauguration, with Mike Lindell prominently featured.
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Trump for certain will never accept defeat. He'll probably get someone to give him the oath of office on 20 January and go on claiming he's still President. A good many Republicans will agree with him, probably including some R dominated state legislatures. Secession? Not seeing it. That got pretty much settled 155 years ago.
This thought is interesting. Declaring yourself president, when you haven't been elected must be a crime. Actually, perhaps treason. Maybe we should wish for him to go there. They might be able to throw the book at him, hard. An important goal is to ensure he never tries to run again.

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This thought is interesting. Declaring yourself president, when you haven't been elected must be a crime. Actually, perhaps treason. Maybe we should wish for him to go there. They might be able to throw the book at him, hard. An important goal is to ensure he never tries to run again.

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fine. fine. But who will bell the cat?
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fine. fine. But who will bell the cat?
Treason? Surely there must be a procedure for that? FBI?

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fine. fine. But who will bell the cat?
Or maybe the Biden Admnsitratin will declline to prosecute, following the rule of "When your enemy is inthe process of destroying hmself, don't interfere:,
I don't think Donnie will go that route. Would interefere with taking in the grift.
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Treason? Surely there must be a procedure for that? FBI?

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Not treason. US law is very picky about that. Treason is aiding enemies in time of war, period.

Exactly what crime it would actually be, I don't know. I'm sure they'll think of something. "Attempting to overthrow the government" is a crime in the US, although I don't know the actual name of that crime. An outgoing president who refused to give up power would not be the government, and would be trying to overthrow the legitimate government, so that would be in the mix, along with anything else illegal that happened in the course of the coup attempt. Planning it or taking steps to accomplish it could be "conspiracy to overthrow the government" even if the outgoing president did those things while still president.

But it's not treason.
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