How far is this going to go?

Hercules56 · 12th December 2020, 08:40 AM

Fox News now has stories about state legislatures calling for secession. Mike Flynn is calling for martial law and to redo the election.

How far is this going to go? Might we actually have a state legislature vote on articles of secession? What if Trump does start talking about an election do over enforced by the Army?

I think Democrats and rational Republicans, and perhaps the Joint Chiefs-of-Staff need to start having discussions about how to deal with "what if?".

Delphic Oracle · 12th December 2020, 08:55 AM

I've seen social media posts and statements on letterhead of GOP organ entities.

Have any of them been brave/stupid enough to do so while engaging in their official duties or on government organ letterhead?

Hercules56 · 12th December 2020, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle

I've seen social media posts and statements on letterhead of GOP organ entities.

Have any of them been brave/stupid enough to do so while engaging in their official duties or on government organ letterhead?

Not that I'm aware of.

I expect there will be more calls for secession amongst the calls for the selected Democrat Electors to vote for Trump instead of Biden (fat chance!!!).

turingtest · 12th December 2020, 09:21 AM

There's a group called "StoptheSteal" which is going to hold some marches to protest what they can't accept (Reuters via MSN)-

Quote:

The Washington rally will begin with marches around the U.S. Capitol, the U.S. Supreme Court and Justice Department "with prayers for the walls of corruption and election fraud to fall down," according to StopTheSteal.com.

I think they will get all the help they are entitled to from their prayers (heh). But, really, other than that, I don't expect much more than a bunch of noise. After Obama won re-election in 2012, there was a lot of similar posturing (Mother Jones), including this, from a guy who was treasurer of the GOP organization in Hardin County, Texas (of course)-

Quote:

We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity…Texas was once its own country, and many Texans already think in nationalist terms about their state. We need to do everything possible to encourage a long-term shift in thinking on this issue. Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years.

And there are more examples of the same sort of thing in links at the bottom of that MJ article, including Michele Bachmann having as her South Carolina campaign chair in 2011 a guy who said "If at first you don’t secede, try again.”

Meh- sore losers gonna sore lose. Trump himself has gone about as far as he can go with anything that might get him any actual results, but will continue to go as far as he can to fleece the faithful.

TragicMonkey · 12th December 2020, 09:24 AM

Are you seriously asking how stupid Trump supporters can get?

Mader Levap · 12th December 2020, 10:18 AM

How far? I don't know how far this particular insanity will go.

But I DO know endgame.

Rightwing authoritarian corpofascism with one-party (easy to guess which one) system.

Obviously, it will still call itself democracy and have sham elections, Russia-style.

The Great Zaganza · 12th December 2020, 10:23 AM

Republicans are good at undoing things, not really good at creating something new.

There is zero chance that they will really do anything meaningful.

All of this is just an excuse to obstruct Biden at every turn, nothing more.

uke2se · 12th December 2020, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Republicans are good at undoing things, not really good at creating something new.

There is zero chance that they will really do anything meaningful.

All of this is just an excuse to obstruct Biden at every turn, nothing more.

I don't know about that.

I just thought up one of those political cartoons you see in the papers that I'm not skilled enough to create myself, but which I think accurately summarizes the situation:

There's a mountain. Near the top of the mountain there's a golden rock which is propping up a massive boulder. Attached to the golden rock there's a rope, leading down the slope to a town. Pulling on the rope are a bunch of red-hatted people, led by a fat man with bad hair who shouts about how the golden rock is rightfully his. Behind them sits the two town elders, one of whom exclaims that the fat man has every right to pull the rope.

Sherman Bay · 12th December 2020, 10:47 AM

As someone who has been a close observer of local politics for over 20 years, I think the tumult and shouting will soon die down and the interest wane. The smart politicians who lose an election relax, stay cool, and bide their time. After a while, all is either forgotten or forgiven, and they can regain their seats without a fuss.

But I could be wrong.

Brainster · 12th December 2020, 10:56 AM

Russiagate went on for years. Sore losers tend not to move on.

Mojo · 12th December 2020, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Sherman Bay

As someone who has been a close observer of local politics for over 20 years, I think the tumult and shouting will soon die down and the interest wane. The smart politicians who lose an election relax, stay cool, and bide their time. After a while, all is either forgotten or forgiven, and they can regain their seats without a fuss.

But I could be wrong.

I think I see why you could be.

The Great Zaganza · 12th December 2020, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Russiagate went on for years. Sore losers tend not to move on.

you really don't get it, do you?
you just want to troll.

Trebuchet · 12th December 2020, 11:20 AM

Trump for certain will never accept defeat. He'll probably get someone to give him the oath of office on 20 January and go on claiming he's still President. A good many Republicans will agree with him, probably including some R dominated state legislatures. Secession? Not seeing it. That got pretty much settled 155 years ago.

Meadmaker · 12th December 2020, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Russiagate went on for years. Sore losers tend not to move on.

But, be fair. It never amounted to anything. It made a lot of headlines, and took up a lot of time and energy. It affected some careers, but it didn't bring down the president, and probably was even a win, politically, for the Republicans, although that's difficult to measure.

Trump supporters won't shut up about the election, but it doesn't really matter. They lost. Their guy will be out in 40 days. They will continue to whine, but no one will care.

ETA: Correction. Political junkies will care, and the left wing will whine about the right wing whining. Heck, I will probably even make a post or two about it myself, but in the grand scheme of things, it won't matter.

Hercules56 · 12th December 2020, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Trump for certain will never accept defeat. He'll probably get someone to give him the oath of office on 20 January and go on claiming he's still President. A good many Republicans will agree with him, probably including some R dominated state legislatures. Secession? Not seeing it. That got pretty much settled 155 years ago.

I fear this time the Right Wing may decide **** has hit the fan and they will act. Small acts of terrorism, kidnappings, who the hell knows. And yes maybe even one state voting for secession or a state referendum on secession.

I pray I am wrong and just worrying to much.

The Great Zaganza · 12th December 2020, 11:31 AM

To be brutally cynical:

the more violent and outspoken the Violent Right becomes in its opposition to the Biden Administration, the easier it will be to use the Law to deal a blow to the movement from which it won't recover for decade.

dudalb · 12th December 2020, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

I fear this time the Right Wing may decide **** has hit the fan and they will act. Small acts of terrorism, kidnappings, who the hell knows. And yes maybe even one state voting for secession or a state referendum on secession.

I pray I am wrong and just worrying to much.

So basicaly second civil war?

dudalb · 12th December 2020, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

To be brutally cynical:

the more violent and outspoken the Violent Right becomes in its opposition to the Biden Administration, the easier it will be to use the Law to deal a blow to the movement from which it won't recover for decade.

The secessionists need to remember what happened the last time that was tried.
The gentleman in my Avatar could give them details.

Mader Levap · 12th December 2020, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

The secessionists need to remember what happened the last time that was tried.
The gentleman in my Avatar could give them details.

Some people never learn.

dudalb · 12th December 2020, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Trump for certain will never accept defeat. He'll probably get someone to give him the oath of office on 20 January and go on claiming he's still President. A good many Republicans will agree with him, probably including some R dominated state legislatures. Secession? Not seeing it. That got pretty much settled 155 years ago.

DOn't see an real diffference between secussion and setting up a rival US Government. Distinctin wihout a difference. Second Civil War situation.

Hercules56 · 12th December 2020, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

To be brutally cynical:

the more violent and outspoken the Violent Right becomes in its opposition to the Biden Administration, the easier it will be to use the Law to deal a blow to the movement from which it won't recover for decade.

And to justify some of the gun rules Biden wants, such as registering all assault weapons under the NFA and ban future sales.

RecoveringYuppy · 12th December 2020, 11:40 AM

Has anyone established that the opening sentence of the OP is true? It appears to be majorly wrong. I can't find any stories at Fox News about state legislatures calling for secession. One legislator (which is a lot different than legislatures) and a few other isolated individuals (Limbaugh, who has backtracked for example) have brought it up. Geraldo Rivera of Fox News has responded to Limbaugh by saying secession is treason.

Link please?

Trebuchet · 12th December 2020, 11:50 AM

Thinking about it, I'll be surprised if some R states don't try claiming that since Biden isn't a legitimate President, new Federal laws or regulations don't apply to them. Especially if they are Executive Orders.

Hercules56 · 12th December 2020, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy

Has anyone established that the opening sentence of the OP is true? It appears to be majorly wrong. I can't find any stories at Fox News about state legislatures calling for secession. One legislator (which is a lot different than legislatures) and a few other isolated individuals (Limbaugh, who has backtracked for example) have brought it up. Geraldo Rivera of Fox News has responded to Limbaugh by saying secession is treason.

Link please?

Rush Limbaugh made the call, a state legislator in Texas has made the call.

I didn't mean to suggest any state legislaTURES had said this.

Garrison · 12th December 2020, 11:55 AM

And all of this when Biden won decisively. Imagine if the result had actually been close?

Checkmite · 12th December 2020, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

The secessionists need to remember what happened the last time that was tried.
The gentleman in my Avatar could give them details.

As could the one in mine.

The Great Zaganza · 12th December 2020, 11:56 AM

How far will this go?

Republicans won't change course until one of their own gets killed by someone taking them literally.

Hercules56 · 12th December 2020, 11:59 AM

Oh and FYI, nutcase Alex Jones of Infowars is now defending calls for martial law and a military organized redo of the election.

He says the "ChiCom" and "New World Order" takeover of the USA justifies it.

dudalb · 12th December 2020, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Checkmite

As could the one in mine.

I have often thought Georgia could use another little visit from General Sherman...

dudalb · 12th December 2020, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Oh and FYI, nutcase Alex Jones of Infowars is now defending calls for martial law and a military organized redo of the election.

He says the "ChiCom" and "New World Order" takeover of the USA justifies it.

Most unsurprising nrews of the year.

dudalb · 12th December 2020, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Rush Limbaugh made the call, a state legislator in Texas has made the call.

I didn't mean to suggest any state legislaTURES had said this.

Limbaugh rapidly backtrackes, though.

dudalb · 12th December 2020, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Thinking about it, I'll be surprised if some R states don't try claiming that since Biden isn't a legitimate President, new Federal laws or regulations don't apply to them. Especially if they are Executive Orders.

I don't think I am a pollyanna about the current GOP; but I think that is prerry far fetched.
But then you seem addicted to doomsday scenarios.

Trebuchet · 12th December 2020, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I don't think I am a pollyanna about the current GOP; but I think that is prerry far fetched.
But then you seem addicted to doomsday scenarios.

I guess we'll see!

BobTheCoward · 12th December 2020, 12:22 PM

It is the same performative actions as the culture war. They don't do much about the culture war than complain about it.

varwoche · 12th December 2020, 12:50 PM

I won't be shocked if we get an alt inauguration, with Mike Lindell prominently featured.

MRC_Hans · 12th December 2020, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Trump for certain will never accept defeat. He'll probably get someone to give him the oath of office on 20 January and go on claiming he's still President. A good many Republicans will agree with him, probably including some R dominated state legislatures. Secession? Not seeing it. That got pretty much settled 155 years ago.

This thought is interesting. Declaring yourself president, when you haven't been elected must be a crime. Actually, perhaps treason. Maybe we should wish for him to go there. They might be able to throw the book at him, hard. An important goal is to ensure he never tries to run again.

Hans

Gord_in_Toronto · 12th December 2020, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

This thought is interesting. Declaring yourself president, when you haven't been elected must be a crime. Actually, perhaps treason. Maybe we should wish for him to go there. They might be able to throw the book at him, hard. An important goal is to ensure he never tries to run again.

Hans

fine. fine. But who will bell the cat?

MRC_Hans · 12th December 2020, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

fine. fine. But who will bell the cat?

Treason? Surely there must be a procedure for that? FBI?

Hans

dudalb · 12th December 2020, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

fine. fine. But who will bell the cat?

Or maybe the Biden Admnsitratin will declline to prosecute, following the rule of "When your enemy is inthe process of destroying hmself, don't interfere:,
I don't think Donnie will go that route. Would interefere with taking in the grift.

Meadmaker · 12th December 2020, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

Treason? Surely there must be a procedure for that? FBI?

Hans

Not treason. US law is very picky about that. Treason is aiding enemies in time of war, period.

Exactly what crime it would actually be, I don't know. I'm sure they'll think of something. "Attempting to overthrow the government" is a crime in the US, although I don't know the actual name of that crime. An outgoing president who refused to give up power would not be the government, and would be trying to overthrow the legitimate government, so that would be in the mix, along with anything else illegal that happened in the course of the coup attempt. Planning it or taking steps to accomplish it could be "conspiracy to overthrow the government" even if the outgoing president did those things while still president.

But it's not treason.

12th December 2020, 08:40 AM	#1
Hercules56 Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,020	How far is this going to go? Fox News now has stories about state legislatures calling for secession. Mike Flynn is calling for martial law and to redo the election. How far is this going to go? Might we actually have a state legislature vote on articles of secession? What if Trump does start talking about an election do over enforced by the Army? I think Democrats and rational Republicans, and perhaps the Joint Chiefs-of-Staff need to start having discussions about how to deal with "what if?".

12th December 2020, 09:21 AM	#4
turingtest Mistral, mistral wind... Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Embedded, reporting from Mississippi Posts: 4,538	There's a group called "StoptheSteal" which is going to hold some marches to protest what they can't accept (Reuters via MSN)- Quote: The Washington rally will begin with marches around the U.S. Capitol, the U.S. Supreme Court and Justice Department "with prayers for the walls of corruption and election fraud to fall down," according to StopTheSteal.com. I think they will get all the help they are entitled to from their prayers (heh). But, really, other than that, I don't expect much more than a bunch of noise. After Obama won re-election in 2012, there was a lot of similar posturing (Mother Jones), including this, from a guy who was treasurer of the GOP organization in Hardin County, Texas (of course)- Quote: We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity…Texas was once its own country, and many Texans already think in nationalist terms about their state. We need to do everything possible to encourage a long-term shift in thinking on this issue. Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government? Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years. And there are more examples of the same sort of thing in links at the bottom of that MJ article, including Michele Bachmann having as her South Carolina campaign chair in 2011 a guy who said "If at first you don’t secede, try again.” Meh- sore losers gonna sore lose. Trump himself has gone about as far as he can go with anything that might get him any actual results, but will continue to go as far as he can to fleece the faithful.
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12th December 2020, 09:24 AM	#5
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12th December 2020, 10:18 AM	#6
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12th December 2020, 10:23 AM	#7
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12th December 2020, 08:55 AM	#2
Delphic Oracle Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 5,275	I've seen social media posts and statements on letterhead of GOP organ entities. Have any of them been brave/stupid enough to do so while engaging in their official duties or on government organ letterhead?

12th December 2020, 08:59 AM	#3
Hercules56 Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,020	Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle I've seen social media posts and statements on letterhead of GOP organ entities. Have any of them been brave/stupid enough to do so while engaging in their official duties or on government organ letterhead? Not that I'm aware of. I expect there will be more calls for secession amongst the calls for the selected Democrat Electors to vote for Trump instead of Biden (fat chance!!!).

12th December 2020, 10:32 AM	#8
uke2se Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 14,174	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Republicans are good at undoing things, not really good at creating something new. There is zero chance that they will really do anything meaningful. All of this is just an excuse to obstruct Biden at every turn, nothing more. I don't know about that. I just thought up one of those political cartoons you see in the papers that I'm not skilled enough to create myself, but which I think accurately summarizes the situation: There's a mountain. Near the top of the mountain there's a golden rock which is propping up a massive boulder. Attached to the golden rock there's a rope, leading down the slope to a town. Pulling on the rope are a bunch of red-hatted people, led by a fat man with bad hair who shouts about how the golden rock is rightfully his. Behind them sits the two town elders, one of whom exclaims that the fat man has every right to pull the rope.
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12th December 2020, 10:47 AM	#9
Sherman Bay Master Poster Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posts: 2,323	As someone who has been a close observer of local politics for over 20 years, I think the tumult and shouting will soon die down and the interest wane. The smart politicians who lose an election relax, stay cool, and bide their time. After a while, all is either forgotten or forgiven, and they can regain their seats without a fuss. But I could be wrong.

12th December 2020, 10:56 AM	#10
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12th December 2020, 11:18 AM	#12
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,355	Originally Posted by Brainster Russiagate went on for years. Sore losers tend not to move on. you really don't get it, do you? you just want to troll.
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12th December 2020, 11:20 AM	#13
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,608	Trump for certain will never accept defeat. He'll probably get someone to give him the oath of office on 20 January and go on claiming he's still President. A good many Republicans will agree with him, probably including some R dominated state legislatures. Secession? Not seeing it. That got pretty much settled 155 years ago.
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12th December 2020, 11:23 AM	#14
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 24,758	Originally Posted by Brainster Russiagate went on for years. Sore losers tend not to move on. But, be fair. It never amounted to anything. It made a lot of headlines, and took up a lot of time and energy. It affected some careers, but it didn't bring down the president, and probably was even a win, politically, for the Republicans, although that's difficult to measure. Trump supporters won't shut up about the election, but it doesn't really matter. They lost. Their guy will be out in 40 days. They will continue to whine, but no one will care. ETA: Correction. Political junkies will care, and the left wing will whine about the right wing whining. Heck, I will probably even make a post or two about it myself, but in the grand scheme of things, it won't matter.
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12th December 2020, 11:25 AM	#15
Hercules56 Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,020	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Trump for certain will never accept defeat. He'll probably get someone to give him the oath of office on 20 January and go on claiming he's still President. A good many Republicans will agree with him, probably including some R dominated state legislatures. Secession? Not seeing it. That got pretty much settled 155 years ago. I fear this time the Right Wing may decide **** has hit the fan and they will act. Small acts of terrorism, kidnappings, who the hell knows. And yes maybe even one state voting for secession or a state referendum on secession. I pray I am wrong and just worrying to much.

12th December 2020, 11:31 AM	#16
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,355	To be brutally cynical: the more violent and outspoken the Violent Right becomes in its opposition to the Biden Administration, the easier it will be to use the Law to deal a blow to the movement from which it won't recover for decade.
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12th December 2020, 11:31 AM	#17
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,912	Originally Posted by Hercules56 I fear this time the Right Wing may decide **** has hit the fan and they will act. Small acts of terrorism, kidnappings, who the hell knows. And yes maybe even one state voting for secession or a state referendum on secession. I pray I am wrong and just worrying to much. So basicaly second civil war?
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12th December 2020, 11:32 AM	#18
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,912	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza To be brutally cynical: the more violent and outspoken the Violent Right becomes in its opposition to the Biden Administration, the easier it will be to use the Law to deal a blow to the movement from which it won't recover for decade. The secessionists need to remember what happened the last time that was tried. The gentleman in my Avatar could give them details.
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12th December 2020, 11:34 AM	#19
Mader Levap Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,532	Originally Posted by dudalb The secessionists need to remember what happened the last time that was tried. The gentleman in my Avatar could give them details. Some people never learn.
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12th December 2020, 11:37 AM	#21
Hercules56 Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,020	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza To be brutally cynical: the more violent and outspoken the Violent Right becomes in its opposition to the Biden Administration, the easier it will be to use the Law to deal a blow to the movement from which it won't recover for decade. And to justify some of the gun rules Biden wants, such as registering all assault weapons under the NFA and ban future sales.

12th December 2020, 11:40 AM	#22
RecoveringYuppy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,346	Has anyone established that the opening sentence of the OP is true? It appears to be majorly wrong. I can't find any stories at Fox News about state legislatures calling for secession. One legislator (which is a lot different than legislatures) and a few other isolated individuals (Limbaugh, who has backtracked for example) have brought it up. Geraldo Rivera of Fox News has responded to Limbaugh by saying secession is treason. Link please?

12th December 2020, 11:50 AM	#23
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,608	Thinking about it, I'll be surprised if some R states don't try claiming that since Biden isn't a legitimate President, new Federal laws or regulations don't apply to them. Especially if they are Executive Orders.
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12th December 2020, 11:53 AM	#24
Hercules56 Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,020	Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy Has anyone established that the opening sentence of the OP is true? It appears to be majorly wrong. I can't find any stories at Fox News about state legislatures calling for secession. One legislator (which is a lot different than legislatures) and a few other isolated individuals (Limbaugh, who has backtracked for example) have brought it up. Geraldo Rivera of Fox News has responded to Limbaugh by saying secession is treason. Link please? Rush Limbaugh made the call, a state legislator in Texas has made the call. I didn't mean to suggest any state legislaTURES had said this.

12th December 2020, 11:55 AM	#25
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12th December 2020, 11:56 AM	#26
Checkmite Skepticifimisticalationist Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 26,343	Originally Posted by dudalb The secessionists need to remember what happened the last time that was tried. The gentleman in my Avatar could give them details. As could the one in mine.
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12th December 2020, 11:59 AM	#28
Hercules56 Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,020	Oh and FYI, nutcase Alex Jones of Infowars is now defending calls for martial law and a military organized redo of the election. He says the "ChiCom" and "New World Order" takeover of the USA justifies it.

12th December 2020, 12:11 PM	#29
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,912	Originally Posted by Checkmite As could the one in mine. I have often thought Georgia could use another little visit from General Sherman...
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12th December 2020, 12:12 PM	#30
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,912	Originally Posted by Hercules56 Oh and FYI, nutcase Alex Jones of Infowars is now defending calls for martial law and a military organized redo of the election. He says the "ChiCom" and "New World Order" takeover of the USA justifies it. Most unsurprising nrews of the year.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

12th December 2020, 12:13 PM	#31
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,912	Originally Posted by Hercules56 Rush Limbaugh made the call, a state legislator in Texas has made the call. I didn't mean to suggest any state legislaTURES had said this. Limbaugh rapidly backtrackes, though.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

12th December 2020, 12:14 PM	#32
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 49,912	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Thinking about it, I'll be surprised if some R states don't try claiming that since Biden isn't a legitimate President, new Federal laws or regulations don't apply to them. Especially if they are Executive Orders. I don't think I am a pollyanna about the current GOP; but I think that is prerry far fetched. But then you seem addicted to doomsday scenarios.
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12th December 2020, 12:19 PM	#33
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 30,608	Originally Posted by dudalb I don't think I am a pollyanna about the current GOP; but I think that is prerry far fetched. But then you seem addicted to doomsday scenarios. I guess we'll see!
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12th December 2020, 12:22 PM	#34
BobTheCoward Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 20,104	It is the same performative actions as the culture war. They don't do much about the culture war than complain about it.

12th December 2020, 12:50 PM	#35
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 15,371	I won't be shocked if we get an alt inauguration, with Mike Lindell prominently featured.
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12th December 2020, 12:58 PM	#36
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 23,323	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Trump for certain will never accept defeat. He'll probably get someone to give him the oath of office on 20 January and go on claiming he's still President. A good many Republicans will agree with him, probably including some R dominated state legislatures. Secession? Not seeing it. That got pretty much settled 155 years ago. This thought is interesting. Declaring yourself president, when you haven't been elected must be a crime. Actually, perhaps treason. Maybe we should wish for him to go there. They might be able to throw the book at him, hard. An important goal is to ensure he never tries to run again. Hans
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12th December 2020, 01:08 PM	#37
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 20,137	Originally Posted by MRC_Hans This thought is interesting. Declaring yourself president, when you haven't been elected must be a crime. Actually, perhaps treason. Maybe we should wish for him to go there. They might be able to throw the book at him, hard. An important goal is to ensure he never tries to run again. Hans fine. fine. But who will bell the cat?
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