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16th March 2016, 04:43 AM | #321 |
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Having established that much, I'm backing up.
The idea of "balance" is about psychology, as always. The psychology of listening. Now, I can't be bothered to come up with some well-researched, complete theory. I'd grow old and die before I'd figure it out, and I'd never make music. So, instead, I need to sketch out some simple ad-hoc reasons why "balance" is important. 1) Expectations about the Usual and the Unusual: a) Within the immediate context of a quarter-tone scale b) Within the larger context of all the music you've heard Here we are concerned only with expectations created by what has happened before, not by anything else. 2) Expectations created by a q-t tuning conceived as -- a 1-dimensional chain of 5ths (or 3/2 ratios) -- a 2-dimensional chain of 5ths and major thirds (3/2 and 5/4 ratios) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lattice_(music) |
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Well, all that was complicated enough, but can't we just simplify,
and have a rule that says, when we want it so many of n times some-other-n notes, and so many of the other notes, or the not-n-times etc. notes. This will work for all EDOs that are not prime numbers. So, for example, in 36EDO, we set our n*z value to 3, so that the program breaks the entire tuning down into three groups: 0,3,6,9,etc. 1,4,7,10, etc. 2,5,8,11,etc. Then we could simply require that, if we wanted "balance", our scale must have so many of group1, so many of group2, and so many of group3. |
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But, supposing we were trying to have the program work with scales in 41EDO.
http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/41edo Those simple rules wouldn't work. Well, it would always be possible to solve the problem like this: -The user has the option to build any number of lists of notes, in the format of simple numbers. The numbers mean the pitches within that EDO. -Each list can be called an "In" list or an "Out" list. The "In" list within that EDO is whatever we deem the usual, the typical, the mundane, the jejune, the ordinary, the quotidian. The "Out" list with that EDO is whatever we deem the piquant, the saucy, the unexpected, the "walk on the wild side", the weird, the "different", the "challenging". Then, having built this list by hand, it's simply a matter of telling the program, - a range of min to max of the "In" - a range of min to max of the "Out" That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. |
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You Know You're In, You Know You're Out
A Memory:
Early in the career ladder, when the band consisted of maybe Greg Farson, Dale, Rab, and Me -- the young Mogi Yogi. We had some gig out of town, in a town hall, or something. The accomodations were rudimentary. The crowd was bemused. At some point, in despair, we sort of started walking around in a circle, chanting. "You Know You're In, You Know You're Out!" My memory fails regarding the follow-up. I don't know whether we were asked back, or not. Oh, yes. And I remember, we didn't have enough songs, at first. Dale would turn around from doing his Mick Jagger impersonation, and make a stretching motion with his hands while I soloed. Meaning: Stretch out your solo, we only know 2 more tunes, and we have another half-hour to fill. |
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U D Mensch, Dodge
> (load "Desktop/microtonal7.txt")
modulus: 24 length-min: 7 length-max: 7 wolves: (13 15) wolf-max: 2 distance-2-min: 2 distance-3-min: 6 bad-notes: (1 13 15 23) balanced: #t multiple-spellings: #f notes: (0 5 7 11 14 17 21) intervals: (5 2 4 3 3 4 3 5 2 4 3 3 4 3) 0 5 7 11 | 2 5 9 (A B+ C+ D+ E F+ G+) notes: (0 4 8 11 14 18 21) intervals: (4 4 3 3 4 3 3 4 4 3 3 4 3 3) 0 4 8 11 | 2 6 9 (A B C# D+ E F# G+) notes: (0 4 7 12 14 18 21) intervals: (4 3 5 2 4 3 3 4 3 5 2 4 3 3) 0 4 7 | 0 2 6 9 (A B C+ D# E F# G+) notes: (0 4 7 11 14 18 21) intervals: (4 3 4 3 4 3 3 4 3 4 3 4 3 3) 0 4 7 11 | 2 6 9 (A B C+ D+ E F# G+) notes: (0 4 7 11 14 17 21) intervals: (4 3 4 3 3 4 3 4 3 4 3 3 4 3) 0 4 7 11 | 2 5 9 (A B C+ D+ E F+ G+) notes: (0 4 7 10 14 18 21) intervals: (4 3 3 4 4 3 3 4 3 3 4 4 3 3) 0 4 7 10 | 2 6 9 (A B C+ D E F# G+) notes: (0 4 7 10 14 17 22) intervals: (4 3 3 4 3 5 2 4 3 3 4 3 5 2) 0 4 7 10 | 2 5 10 (A B C+ D E F+ G#) notes: (0 4 7 10 14 17 21) intervals: (4 3 3 4 3 4 3 4 3 3 4 3 4 3) 0 4 7 10 | 2 5 9 (A B C+ D E F+ G+) notes: (0 4 7 10 14 17 20) intervals: (4 3 3 4 3 3 4 4 3 3 4 3 3 4) 0 4 7 10 | 2 5 8 (A B C+ D E F+ G) notes: (0 4 7 10 14 16 21) intervals: (4 3 3 4 2 5 3 4 3 3 4 2 5 3) 0 4 7 10 | 2 4 9 (A B C+ D E F G+) notes: (0 4 6 11 14 18 21) intervals: (4 2 5 3 4 3 3 4 2 5 3 4 3 3) 0 4 6 11 | 2 6 9 (A B C D+ E F# G+) notes: (0 3 8 10 14 17 20) intervals: (3 5 2 4 3 3 4 3 5 2 4 3 3 4) 0 3 8 10 | 2 5 8 (A B- C# D E F+ G) notes: (0 3 7 11 14 17 21) intervals: (3 4 4 3 3 4 3 3 4 4 3 3 4 3) 0 3 7 11 | 2 5 9 (A Bb+ C+ D+ E F+ G+) notes: (0 3 7 10 14 17 21) intervals: (3 4 3 4 3 4 3 3 4 3 4 3 4 3) 0 3 7 10 | 2 5 9 (A Bb+ C+ D E F+ G+) notes: (0 3 7 10 14 17 20) intervals: (3 4 3 4 3 3 4 3 4 3 4 3 3 4) 0 3 7 10 | 2 5 8 (A Bb+ C+ D E F+ G) notes: (0 3 7 9 14 17 21) intervals: (3 4 2 5 3 4 3 3 4 2 5 3 4 3) 0 3 7 9 | 2 5 9 (A Bb+ C+ Db+ E F+ G+) notes: (0 3 6 10 14 17 20) intervals: (3 3 4 4 3 3 4 3 3 4 4 3 3 4) 0 3 6 10 | 2 5 8 (A Bb+ C D E F+ G) notes: (0 3 6 10 12 17 20) intervals: (3 3 4 2 5 3 4 3 3 4 2 5 3 4) 0 3 6 10 | 0 5 8 (A Bb+ C D Eb F+ G) notes: (0 2 7 10 14 17 20) intervals: (2 5 3 4 3 3 4 2 5 3 4 3 3 4) 0 2 7 10 | 2 5 8 (A Bb C+ D E F+ G) notes: (0 2 6 9 12 16 19) intervals: (2 4 3 3 4 3 5 2 4 3 3 4 3 5) 0 2 6 9 | 0 4 7 (A Bb C Db+ Eb F Gb+) number of scales found: 20 |
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First go at "balance" (see above) and "completeness"
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"Balance" is described above "Completeness" is merely an option that prevents the program from printing tons of scales which are contained in more complete scales. (Also known as "subsets".) With the "Completeness" setting on, I should be able to set the program to re-create -- in simplest form -- the list of all conventional 12-tone scales. Somewhat similar to The Lydian Chromatic Concept, for example. |
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And let's see what we ended up with.
I've added the names I typically call these scales, because that's the most familiar way for me. I don't think I have to fill in the middle. It found 33 scales. That's, um odd, because that's exactly the same number of scales listed in The Conventional Scales: |
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Generators
This may require some back-and-forth with the Dodge, but you never know. He works in mysterious ways. Beneath the rust on the body and the dents, there's a 9.2 liter V8 crate engine. Weirdly, it's almost totally silent.
So, generators. In the intervals list, any interval could be called a generator. notes: (0 4 7 11 14 17 21) intervals: (4 3 4 3 3 4 3 4 3 4 3 3 4 3) 0 4 7 11 | 2 5 9 (A B C+ D+ E F+ G+) This has intervals 4 and 3, they could just as well be called generators of 4 and 3. As we deal with bigger modulī, it can be useful to restrict the number of generating intervals. So, within mod17, for example, we might have a generator of 5. We start from 0: 0,5,10,15,3,8,11,16,4 If the generator and the modulus are relatively prime (I think this is the right terminology, but I'm going to pretend I'm sure) the sequence of numbers will include all 17 possible values, and it will repeat. But that's not so important right now. Let's say that the user has the option to choose either the process of creating scales the we already have, or a new one in which the scale is the result of restricting the generators. The user can choose any number of generators, listed simply as integers. Maybe in ascending order, maybe not. In the generator option, maybe we could have a much larger limit to how many pitches we can have in our "scale". And maybe -- I haven't thought this through, and I'm not sure if I'm smart enough to do so -- the user has the option to turn off or turn on the whole list of parameters we've already established. Or, maybe it you use Generators, the program defaults to the least restrictive parameters, unless you tell it otherwise, for each parameter. So, example, Mod 17. I choose a 12-note "scale", and a generator of 9. Starting from 0, it generates: 0,9,1,10, 2,11,3,12, 4,13,5,14, which when ordered becomes: 0,1,2,3,4,5,9,10,11,12,13,14. The list of filter parameters we've already made eliminates some of the generated pitches, but the program generates enought pitches to match the required number of notes. If you specifty a "scale" of 12 notes, the program will keep going until it ends up with 12 notes, if possible. If you've prohibited certain intervals and notes, the program eliminates those pitches, but still ends up with 12 pitches. If there are interval restrictions (say, no 1's), the program continues to generate pitches until either it can't any more, or there are 12 (what we specified.) I'm pretty tired, so I'm not sure if this is coherent. But we could use something like this, especially for larger moduli, I think. Even before list sorting and harmony, I think. eta: Add to this phase a simple limit on the number of scales generated |
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Since this case reminded me of Franco, I'm just putting this here.
Update: March 15, 2016 7:19 PM EDT http://www.whdh.com/story/31478648/b...-charles-river Quote:
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After All
My father: It's a small world.
Maude Morgan: No, it's not. It's a big world. > (load "Desktop/microtonal8.txt") number of scales found: 258 modulus: 24 length-min: 6 length-max: 8 wolves: (13 15) wolf-max: 2 distance-2-min: 2 distance-3-min: 5 bad-notes: (1 13 15 23) require-completeness: #t balance-notes: (0 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22) balance-in-min: 2 balance-out-min: 2 multiple-spellings: #f It looks like I've set the distance between 3 consecutive notes (" distance-3-min: 5 " ) to be too small, so I'll raise it by one each time. |
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Now we're talking. Or rather, now we can shut up
> (load "Desktop/microtonal8.txt")
number of scales found: 96 modulus: 24 length-min: 6 length-max: 8 wolves: (13 15) wolf-max: 2 distance-2-min: 2 distance-3-min: 6 bad-notes: (1 13 15 23) require-completeness: #t balance-notes: (0 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22) balance-in-min: 2 balance-out-min: 2 multiple-spellings: #f working........................................... .................................................. .................................................. .........................done Looks like I picked the wrong time to quit smoking cannabis! I mean: With a crisp, accurate list of scales like this, one would like to revel in it, to put one's frontal lobes on hold, and just jam, baby. Some musicians require no help to indulge in shameless revelry. They can do it sober. I envy them. Chick, what can you teach me? |
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RIP Peter Maxwell Davies
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/ar...t-81.html?_r=0
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https://app.box.com/s/11ibkzjq0c6uh5xpbfvi "Wife and Garden" Here's a piece of mine, which samples a BBC interview with Peter Maxwell Davies, and adds it to clips from a film about Glenn Gould, and also uses Electric Ladyland, by Jimi Hendrix. Davies goes South, Gould goes North, Hendrix goes under. Caleb stays home with his wife and garden. Hence the name: Wife and Garden. Davies goes down, Gould goes up, Jimi goes under, Caleb stays put. Moses does not go down.. That makes Hendrix the Ubermensch, I guess. It was partly Andy Fox's vivid and witty descriptions of attending a lecture by Davies that got me going on this one. There were a few technical victories. The opening audio is from a student-led tour of the basement of the St. Botolph St. building: The studio was next to the Opera Department. Slightly ironic. To record them, I stuck some SM57's in a few lamps, and positioned them pointing out the door of the computer lab. Amazingly, in about 1 hour I had exactly what I wanted. The layer of slow background is provided by, iirc, the Sea Symphony,of Vaughan Williams. I wrote 12-tone row lines, cleverly tonal, on top. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sea_Symphony Today's Globe has an article in the Metro section: "Police board fishing vessels at sea in bid to halt drug use." What's slighly off about this: The Department of Homeland Security assisted. That's a lot of manpower to arrest a half-dozen fishermen, who barely make a living anyway. Doesn't Homeland Security have enough to do? Is this make-work? |
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There are 35 from the above that are balanced 3 and 3.
modulus: 24 length-min: 6 length-max: 8 wolves: (13 15) wolf-max: 2 distance-2-min: 2 distance-3-min: 6 bad-notes: (1 13 15 23) require-completeness: #t balance-notes: (0 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22) balance-in-min: 3 balance-out-min: 3 multiple-spellings: #f working........................................... .....done |
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and then there's
How can Chick Corea be such an amazing piano player and composer in Triilogy but also be a Scie.? What a great player, in the trios. |
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The 44 Laws of Power
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The 9 8-note scales again
> (load "Desktop/microtonal8.txt")
modulus: 24 length-min: 8 length-max: 8 wolves: (13 15) wolf-max: 2 distance-2-min: 2 distance-3-min: 5 bad-notes: (1 13 15 23) require-completeness: #t balance-notes: (0 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22) balance-in-min: 2 balance-out-min: 4 multiple-spellings: #f working.........done notes: (0 2 5 7 10 12 17 19) intervals: (2 3 2 3 2 5 2 5 2 3 2 3 2 5 2 5) 0 2 5 7 10 | 0 5 7 (A Bb B+ C+ D Eb F+ Gb+) notes: (0 2 5 7 12 14 17 19) intervals: (2 3 2 5 2 3 2 5 2 3 2 5 2 3 2 5) 0 2 5 7 | 0 2 5 7 (A A# B+ C+ D# E F+ G-) notes: (0 2 5 7 12 14 19 21) intervals: (2 3 2 5 2 5 2 3 2 3 2 5 2 5 2 3) 0 2 5 7 | 0 2 7 9 (A A# B+ C+ D# E F#+ G+) notes: (0 2 7 9 12 14 17 19) intervals: (2 5 2 3 2 3 2 5 2 5 2 3 2 3 2 5) 0 2 7 9 | 0 2 5 7 (A Bb C+ Db+ Eb E F+ Gb+) notes: (0 2 7 9 12 14 19 21) intervals: (2 5 2 3 2 5 2 3 2 5 2 3 2 5 2 3) 0 2 7 9 | 0 2 7 9 (A Bb C+ C#+ D# E F#+ G+) notes: (0 2 7 9 14 16 19 21) intervals: (2 5 2 5 2 3 2 3 2 5 2 5 2 3 2 3) 0 2 7 9 | 2 4 7 9 (A Bb C+ Db+ E F Gb+ G+) notes: (0 3 5 10 12 17 19 22) intervals: (3 2 5 2 5 2 3 2 3 2 5 2 5 2 3 2) 0 3 5 10 | 0 5 7 10 (A Bb+ C- D Eb F+ Gb+ Ab) notes: (0 5 7 10 12 17 19 22) intervals: (5 2 3 2 5 2 3 2 5 2 3 2 5 2 3 2) 0 5 7 10 | 0 5 7 10 (A B+ C+ D Eb F+ Gb+ Ab) notes: (0 5 7 12 14 17 19 22) intervals: (5 2 5 2 3 2 3 2 5 2 5 2 3 2 3 2) 0 5 7 | 0 2 5 7 10 (A B+ C+ D# E F+ F#+ G#) number of scales found: 9 > |
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A different 9: some of these only have 6 notes
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The Six Scales that Bring Proptious Happiness
> (load "Desktop/microtonal8.txt")
modulus: 24 length-min: 5 length-max: 9 wolves: (13 15) wolf-max: 3 distance-2-min: 3 distance-3-min: 7 bad-notes: (1 13 15 23) require-completeness: #t balance-notes: (0 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22) balance-in-min: 2 balance-out-min: 4 multiple-spellings: #f working......done notes: (0 3 7 11 14 19) intervals: (3 4 4 3 5 5 3 4 4 3 5 5) 0 3 7 11 | 2 7 (A Bb+ C+ D+ E Gb+) notes: (0 3 7 11 16 19) intervals: (3 4 4 5 3 5 3 4 4 5 3 5) 0 3 7 11 | 4 7 (A Bb+ C+ D+ F Gb+) notes: (0 3 7 11 17 20) intervals: (3 4 4 6 3 4 3 4 4 6 3 4) 0 3 7 11 | 5 8 (A Bb+ C+ D+ F+ G) notes: (0 4 7 11 17 21) intervals: (4 3 4 6 4 3 4 3 4 6 4 3) 0 4 7 11 | 5 9 (A B C+ D+ F+ G+) notes: (0 5 9 12 17 21) intervals: (5 4 3 5 4 3 5 4 3 5 4 3) 0 5 9 | 0 5 9 (A B+ C#+ D# F+ G+) notes: (0 5 9 14 17 21) intervals: (5 4 5 3 4 3 5 4 5 3 4 3) 0 5 9 | 2 5 9 (A B+ C#+ E F+ G+) number of scales found: 6 > |
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Slippin' it in for the fifth time, as Julian Bream used to say.
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12 with no wolves at all
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Hello, Future Self 36 EDO
A leap into mod36. It seemed to work right away!
Future self, enjoy these! I've already practiced a lot of 36-note per octave, but it wasn't equal Here's the 141 scales with no wolves, I think. I did this fairly quickly. These are 36 EDO scales, with no wolves, I think. |
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We need a new feature, but it should be easy enough.
notes: (0 3 10 13 21 28) intervals: (3 7 3 8 7 8 3 7 3 8 7 8) notes: (0 3 11 18 26 29) intervals: (3 8 7 8 3 7 3 8 7 8 3 7) notes: (0 4 9 13 19 30) intervals: (4 5 4 6 11 6 4 5 4 6 11 6) I'm practicing any given modulus, here, on a mod12 (conventional) keyboard. So, I always want a little mod12 reduction, with little | posts where the modulus "resets" , just like in 24EDO. last entry example: 0 4 9 | 1 7 | 6 |
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Oh yeah, in harmony includes, we should have a minimum number param.
Easy Peasy. Having said 014 as a harmony include within a range of 3, we can also say, inc minimum 3, meaning the scale has to have at least 3 014's. The harmony minimum number of instances parameter here is calculated from all the possible instances of the cell, so that: 0,1,4,5,7,8, Has 0,1,4 1,4,5 4,5,7 5.7.8. 7,8,0, 8,0,1 all as 014's. So this has 6 014's. |
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now displays |'s whenever modulus is greater than 12
eta: caleb changed one line so that comment was after define: (define wolves '()) ; wolf intervals let's see if that fixes little problem eta2: yep, that was the little problem, just a matter of a little carriage return number of scales found: 33 > (load "Desktop/microtonal9o.txt") modulus: 36 length-min: 5 length-max: 7 wolves: (20 22) wolf-max: 0 distance-2-min: 3 distance-3-min: 9 bad-notes: (1 2 34 35) require-completeness: #t balance-notes: (0 3 6 9 12 15 18 21 24 27 30) balance-in-min: 3 balance-out-min: 3 multiple-spellings: #f working........................................... .................................................. .................................................. .........done |
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We'll call the version with the | modular notation for practicing,
um, we'll call that version 9b. This also fixes little spacing problem. |
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Version 10:
It was removing incomplete scales, which was very slow. Now it's much faster. Also I got rid of the dots. I can put them back if you like them. Version 11: Restores dots, puts scales-found-count at top of search |
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As Uncle Walter Becker (of Steely Dan Ackroyd fame) has said, wisely:
"Let's just buzz on this a while". > (load "Desktop/microtonal11.txt") modulus: 24 length-min: 5 length-max: 8 wolves: (13 15) wolf-max: 1 distance-2-min: 2 distance-3-min: 6 bad-notes: (1 13 15 23) require-completeness: #t balance-notes: (0 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22) balance-in-min: 1 balance-out-min: 3 multiple-spellings: #f finding scales............................................ .................................................. .....done removing incomplete scales...done number of scales found: 30 |
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Yo, Doge,
Maybe we could solve this little confusion about generators and make it much simpler. Maybe we could have a "limit interval" list. The user can specify any number of intervals, in a simple, unordered list. The output is limited so that the interval list only contains those intervals. Much cleaner. -c So, for example, Interval List (2,5) would find notes: (0 5 7 12 17 22) intervals: (5 2 5 5 5 2 5 2 5 5 5 2) (A B+ C+ D# F+ G#) 0 5 7 | 0 5 10 among others. |
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List Sorting
-Can specify sorting of first output -Could it take existing output, and re-sort? User specifies ordered list. First item of list of list-sort items clumps together scales by that method, then come the next scales according to that method. Within each clump, the same hierarchical ordering of ordering. Each ordering can be inverted, simply. So, we've got, for items of ordering: -Number of notes in scale -Left-most packing -wolves ... basically, all the parameters that make sense, plus: -Relation by Modal rotation. This packs together all the scales that have identical-but-rotated interval lists. We obviously don't need modulus. Complete list: Length Packing Wolves Balance out Distance-3 Min Identity-by-rotation Nothing in list is some default. Looks like: List sort: [ Wolves, I-by-Rot, Packing, Length] Or whatever. The user can specify an ordered hierarchy of any or all of these 6. Are there any I've forgotten? |
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eta: I subsituted a ' for what was there at first, a slanty-thingy-like-that. This fixed the problem. eta2: It appears that it isn't printing the default limited number of scales, only the by-request. |
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actually, ignore previous eta2. It's fine.
> (load "Desktop/microtonal12.txt") modulus: 24 length-min: 5 length-max: 8 wolves: (13 15) wolf-max: 5 distance-2-min: 2 distance-3-min: 6 bad-notes: (1 13 15 23) allowed-intervals: (2 5) require-completeness: #t balance-notes: (0 2 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22) balance-in-min: 1 balance-out-min: 2 multiple-spellings: #f scales-max: 100 finding scales...done removing incomplete scales...done number of scales found: 8 notes: (0 2 7 9 14 19) intervals: (2 5 2 5 5 5 2 5 2 5 5 5) (A Bb C+ Db+ E Gb+) 0 2 7 9 | 2 7 notes: (0 2 7 12 14 19) intervals: (2 5 5 2 5 5 2 5 5 2 5 5) (A Bb C+ D# E F#+) 0 2 7 | 0 2 7 notes: (0 2 7 12 17 19) intervals: (2 5 5 5 2 5 2 5 5 5 2 5) (A Bb C+ Eb F+ Gb+) 0 2 7 | 0 5 7 notes: (0 5 7 12 14 19) intervals: (5 2 5 2 5 5 5 2 5 2 5 5) (A B+ C+ D# E F#+) 0 5 7 | 0 2 7 notes: (0 5 7 12 17 19) intervals: (5 2 5 5 2 5 5 2 5 5 2 5) (A B+ C+ D# F+ G-) 0 5 7 | 0 5 7 notes: (0 5 7 12 17 22) intervals: (5 2 5 5 5 2 5 2 5 5 5 2) (A B+ C+ D# F+ G#) 0 5 7 | 0 5 10 notes: (0 5 10 12 17 19) intervals: (5 5 2 5 2 5 5 5 2 5 2 5) (A B+ D Eb F+ Gb+) 0 5 10 | 0 5 7 notes: (0 5 10 12 17 22) intervals: (5 5 2 5 5 2 5 5 2 5 5 2) (A B+ D Eb F+ G#) 0 5 10 | 0 5 10 |
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The Beatles became controversial again when Lennon remarked that they were more popular than Jesus. People gather together in a show of unity in political rallies, sporting events, rock concerts, religious rituals, weddings, and funerals, among other events. So the refrain is about a gathering over a rock star, but at his funeral. The clue there is "over me". There is a curious doubleness of perception there -- very psychedelic. The author of the song imagines himself dead, and people gathering in unity over his dead body. One could look up psychedelic depersonalization, and also the messianic tendencies of certain psychedelic leaders such as Kesey, Ginsberg, Owsley, and Leary. Even Captain Hubbard, the rogue CIA agent, became a kind of Johnny Acid Seed. The first stanza is about Leary. He had, at first, a flat-top crew-cut, and he was, at first, well-dressed and conventional. So conventional he might have worn the shiny shoes worn by the FBI. Later, he looked wilder. His pupils are dilated. And of course, he laughs a lot. Pynchon called him Dr. Hilarious, in The Crying of Lot 49. That accounts for this much:
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Things started with a very reverential, serious atmosphere, -- such as Leary at Millford.
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(echo of speedball, shooting up in strange places, dubious drugs, commercialization, and 60's togetherness cliches) It's becoming increasingly tawdry. Here things get progressively more weird, and I'm not sure I can make any particular sense, except they are going in an increasingly commercialized, organized, political, and dubious direction: The late 60's.
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There's a lot of hugging in hippie-land. With the hideous consequence that you are not only in the whiff-zone of your comrades, but also you can perceive something worse than body odor. Disease. This is occurring in that geriatric/ineffectual/lazy image: the armchair. He roller coaster He got early warning He got muddy water He one Mojo filter He say one and one and one is three Got to be good looking Cause he's so hard to see Now he's not just a commercial enterprise, he's a carnival and a military enterprise. (Roller coaster, early warning) But he's still spouting truisms. (He say one and one and one is three) And he's a sort of cipher, a sort of Chauncey Gardner. (Got to be good looking Cause he's so hard to see) So, Lennon is saying, ambivalently: If you must choose a messiah, don't choose Tim Leary, at least choose me. Over my dead body. This is repeated and extended in another song: God is a Concept by which we measure our pain |
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20th March 2016, 11:28 AM | #356 |
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O Wise and Mighty Doge,
I am as only a rotund and scurrilous ewe in relation to Your mighty Heft and Welp, yet with your All Seeing Eye, can you number the numberless, and cry the danger, and count the wolves? For example, it would be helpful if each entry with a search with a wolf-max of 5 have a little label: say notes: (0 2 7 9 14 19) intervals: (2 5 2 5 5 5 2 5 2 5 5 5) (A Bb C+ Db+ E Gb+) 0 2 7 9 | 2 7 الذئب 4 or 3 זאב or 2 گرگ or 1, if you're feeling kurt? |
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For the interval generators list, let's add the ability to have it be an "or" list
or an "and" list so, 2,3,5,7 or -- means any of these 2,3,5,7 and -- means all of these Also, see some recent silly posts for another idea or two. -c |
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Version 14 -- Following the Schoenberg superstition, there is no version 13.
This allows the user to choose or/and for the interval list. |
20th March 2016, 06:57 PM | #359 |
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Version 15 displays number of wolves with each scale
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This is a kind of sweet spot, and with some list sorting that is sure to be trivially easy for the programmer, we could arrange this list in some different ways, to help our thinking.
This list is going to be the basis of my bestselling A Scale a Day Calendar. What's the day off? New Year's? Halloween? |
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