The post-Trump fascist creep catch-all thread

TurkeysGhost · 15th April 2021, 05:05 AM

Tucker Carlson's White Power Hour continues its steady march into open white nationalism.

This time, Carlson is parroting the elements of "White Replacement Theory", the idea that liberals intend to take political power in this country by importing or outbreeding white Americans.

White nationalists are thrilled to see their talking points on primetime television:

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White nationalist website calls Tucker Carlson’s ‘replacement’ rant ‘one of the best things Fox News has ever aired’
The Fox News host has won the praise of an officially designated hate group after appearing to endorse the racist ‘replacement’ theory

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1830829.html

You may be familiar with this type of rhetoric from the manifesto of several mass shooters in recent memory. The language that white people are experiencing a soft genocide is exactly the justification at the root of white nationalist and fascistic terrorism that is currently in vogue. You may also recall the chants of "you will not replace us" during the neo-nazi rally held in Charlottesville that ended in a terrorist attack perpetrated by a white nationalist.

Seems the mainstream right is not seeing the Trump loss as a repudiation of their increasingly white nationalist, fascistic politics, but rather are doubling down.

Norman Alexander · 15th April 2021, 06:28 AM

Surprise!

Tucker will keep doing this while advertising continues on his time-slot.

Craig4 · 15th April 2021, 06:32 AM

I'm interested to see what advertisers do. Fox isn't above sacrificing some of its biggest stars when the money stops flowing. Good ratings don't matter when no one is paying you to put their ads in front of your viewers' eyeballs.

Belz... · 15th April 2021, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Tucker Carlson's White Power Hour

They really should call it that.

And yeah, this ridiculous theory isn't new. Personally I don't get it. I'd understand the resistance to, say, one's culture or morals being replaced by the new generations and so on, but I really don't give a rat's ass about skin colour. So what if, say, in 200 years there are very few white people? Why is that important to so many ******* people?

TurkeysGhost · 15th April 2021, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Surprise!

Tucker will keep doing this while advertising continues on his time-slot.

In the past, pillow guy was there to pick up the slack. After the last Tucker moment of white nationalism, My Pillow was advertising on a majority of the time slots for the show after most of the mainstream brands temporarily distanced themselves.

I really doubt Tucker Carlson is at any risk here. Fox would probably air his show ad-free at a loss if they had to. It's massively popular, and it would probably be worth it as a loss-leader to get people to stay on the network. They certainly don't want to lose him to any competitors.

TurkeysGhost · 15th April 2021, 07:48 AM

Fascist "white replacement theory" being repeated by US Congressional rep during hearing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...cked-up-house/

Donal · 15th April 2021, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

I'm interested to see what advertisers do. Fox isn't above sacrificing some of its biggest stars when the money stops flowing. Good ratings don't matter when no one is paying you to put their ads in front of your viewers' eyeballs.

The problem is, it's not just the advertising in the timeslot itself, it is also the lead in shows. They also have him as the main show on their streaming service.

Fox News also has the highest per customer rate among cable providers because their audience is pretty...we'll say "loyal".

And, there is the scramble to fend off not just wannabes like OAN and News max, but online platforms that, ironically, FNC helped elevate.

dudalb · 15th April 2021, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Donal

The problem is, it's not just the advertising in the timeslot itself, it is also the lead in shows. They also have him as the main show on their streaming service.

Fox News also has the highest per customer rate among cable providers because their audience is pretty...we'll say "loyal".

And, there is the scramble to fend off not just wannabes like OAN and News max, but online platforms that, ironically, FNC helped elevate.

And Fox news has become the biggest earner for Murdoch since this sold off most the rest of his entertainment interests to Disney a few years ago.

BobTheCoward · 16th April 2021, 07:58 AM

In sense they are right. The older culture in the US is white, and I do seek it's total destruction through such things as libertarianism and complete open borders. And they are correct that it would be quite painful for them.

So what is the problem?

The Great Zaganza · 16th April 2021, 09:03 AM

Fox isn't primarily funded by advertisement but with subscriptions.

so it doesn't really matter if no one advertises on FTucker - as long as he has a lot of viewers he is safe.

dmaker · 16th April 2021, 01:11 PM

This thread seems like a good spot for this:

"A new America First Caucus — led by @mtgreenee and @RepGosar — is recruiting people to join based on “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” architectural style that “befits the progeny of European architecture”"

https://twitter.com/punchbowlnews/st...04228256837637

dudalb · 16th April 2021, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by dmaker

This thread seems like a good spot for this:

"A new America First Caucus — led by @mtgreenee and @RepGosar — is recruiting people to join based on “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” architectural style that “befits the progeny of European architecture”"

https://twitter.com/punchbowlnews/st...04228256837637

The idiots probably don't know who the Anglo Saxons originally were...

TurkeysGhost · 17th April 2021, 04:15 AM

Originally Posted by dmaker

This thread seems like a good spot for this:

"A new America First Caucus — led by @mtgreenee and @RepGosar — is recruiting people to join based on “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” architectural style that “befits the progeny of European architecture”"

https://twitter.com/punchbowlnews/st...04228256837637

Edging closer and closer to the "fourteen words", more or less, becoming official policy of the Republican party.

Belz... · 17th April 2021, 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by dmaker

This thread seems like a good spot for this:

"A new America First Caucus — led by @mtgreenee and @RepGosar — is recruiting people to join based on “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” architectural style that “befits the progeny of European architecture”"

https://twitter.com/punchbowlnews/st...04228256837637

Already a thread on this.

TurkeysGhost · 21st April 2021, 05:19 AM

White nationalists in a froth over the Chauvin conviction. The usual propagandists are espousing the view that the guilty verdict was only reached because the jurors were too afraid of the mobs to do anything else.

Tucker Carlson describes a police officer being convicted of murdering a black person as an "attack on civilization".

Quote:

“Those things are unacceptable in America, all of them are happening now. If they continue to happen, decent, productive people will leave. The country as you knew it will be over. So we must stop this current insanity. It’s an attack on civilization. At stake is far more than the future of Derek Chauvin, or the memory of George Floyd. At stake is America,” Tucker complained.

“So before we consider the details of today’s verdict, a bigger question, One we should all think about. Can we trust the way this decision was made? That’s the promise of our justice system, that it’s impartial, that it’s as fair as human beings can make it. That the cop who killed Ashli Babbitt will be held to the very same scrutiny as the cop who was just convicted of killing George Floyd. That political or ethnic considerations will play absolutely no role in jury deliberations. That justice will be blind. Can we say all of that in this case?”

https://www.thewrap.com/tucker-carls...-scared-video/

Tucker Carlson trying to stoke the embers of race war, as usual.

Belz... · 21st April 2021, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Tucker Carlson trying to stoke the embers of race war, as usual.

Carlson has a lot of blood on his hands already.

TurkeysGhost · 21st April 2021, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Carlson has a lot of blood on his hands already.

It's a very instructive program, a truly pure distillation of the white fear and rage that animates so much of this country.

His continued meltdown about the verdict makes it clear. If black people are going to have rights that are backed by the law, this country, as he knows it, is over.

I suppose in that small way, he's right. Some might celebrate this change, but it's clear that many will violently resist it.

TurkeysGhost · 23rd April 2021, 05:59 AM

Republican states across the country are passing laws criminalizing protest and legalizing vehicular manslaughter of protestors.

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G.O.P. Bills Target Protesters (and Absolve Motorists Who Hit Them)
As the nation reacts to the guilty verdict a jury handed to Derek Chauvin in the killing of George Floyd, Republican-led states are introducing punitive new measures governing protests.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/u...e=articleShare

Belz... · 23rd April 2021, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Republican states across the country are passing laws criminalizing protest and legalizing vehicular manslaughter of protestors.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/u...e=articleShare

The party of 'shut the **** up and take it'.

Norman Alexander · 23rd April 2021, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Republican states across the country are passing laws criminalizing protest and legalizing vehicular manslaughter of protestors.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/u...e=articleShare

Oh, that will go precisely nowhere really fast. I expect it already contradicts the First Amendment, and existing driving laws in all states.

TurkeysGhost · 10th May 2021, 07:13 AM

Not just an absurd constitutional law hypothetical anymore:

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What will the institutions of liberal democracy do when Republican officials simply refuse to concede Democratic victories? The question isn’t as far-fetched as it may seem, and the reckoning may be coming far sooner than most expect.

...

So what happens in 2024 if President Biden or Vice President Harris win the Electoral College, but local Republicans on county boards with majority Democratic votes refuse to certify the election; when state legislatures who have seized control of certification refuse to certify their state tallies; when a potential Republican majority in the House of Representatives refuses to certify the Electoral College tally? What happens when they refuse to certify Democratic wins in purple state Senate races, throwing control of the Upper Chamber into limbo and chaos? What happens if Biden/Harris wins the popular vote by 8 million votes and 30 electoral college votes, only to see Republicans in states like Georgia and Wisconsin decide that their GOP legislatures will send electors for Trump or Tucker Carlson or Josh Hawley instead? What happens if Democrats legitimately add to their lead in the Senate, only to see Republicans refuse to certify those tallies as well, keeping GOP Senators in place for the next session?

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/0...mocratic-wins/

The Republican party is purging out any insufficiently devoted members to the MAGA cause. The next time around, a narrow (or not so narrow) Democratic candidate win may very well be rejected by Republicans as illegitimate. Republican voters already believe as such, and it may soon come to pass that state level Republicans are unwilling or unable to recognize any non-MAGA victory.

Fascism comes to power through legitimacy crises. The looming threat is here.

The Trump failed coup wasn't a total failure for the fascists. The events exposed Republicans in position of power that weren't willing to go along with it. The party will use the intervening time to purge such people from positions of power at the state and local level and replace them with MAGA faithful. The next coup attempt will not suffer from such infighting on the right.

Roger Ramjets · 10th May 2021, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

In sense they are right. The older culture in the US is white, and I do seek it's total destruction through such things as libertarianism and complete open borders. And they are correct that it would be quite painful for them.

So what is the problem?

The problem is they might take action to prevent it.

Unless - like me - you think that civil war is not a problem. I welcome the opportunity to hasten their total destruction by whatever methods are appropriate.

Lurch · 10th May 2021, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Not just an absurd constitutional law hypothetical anymore:

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/0...mocratic-wins/

The Republican party is purging out any insufficiently devoted members to the MAGA cause. The next time around, a narrow (or not so narrow) Democratic candidate win may very well be rejected by Republicans as illegitimate. Republican voters already believe as such, and it may soon come to pass that state level Republicans are unwilling or unable to recognize any non-MAGA victory.

Fascism comes to power through legitimacy crises. The looming threat is here.

The Trump failed coup wasn't a total failure for the fascists. The events exposed Republicans in position of power that weren't willing to go along with it. The party will use the intervening time to purge such people from positions of power at the state and local level and replace them with MAGA faithful. The next coup attempt will not suffer from such infighting on the right.

These are the fears of mine which cause me to wonder why otherwise perspicacious people would be given to pooh-poohing the 'failed' insurrection and the 'settlement' of the 2020 election as evidence of the future inability of the MAGA cult to ever succeed. The GQP have had a dry run and have learned from it.

BobTheCoward · 11th May 2021, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Not just an absurd constitutional law hypothetical anymore:

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/0...mocratic-wins/

The Republican party is purging out any insufficiently devoted members to the MAGA cause. The next time around, a narrow (or not so narrow) Democratic candidate win may very well be rejected by Republicans as illegitimate. Republican voters already believe as such, and it may soon come to pass that state level Republicans are unwilling or unable to recognize any non-MAGA victory.

Fascism comes to power through legitimacy crises. The looming threat is here.

The Trump failed coup wasn't a total failure for the fascists. The events exposed Republicans in position of power that weren't willing to go along with it. The party will use the intervening time to purge such people from positions of power at the state and local level and replace them with MAGA faithful. The next coup attempt will not suffer from such infighting on the right.

I don't understand that article because the constitution spells out the process pretty clearly...the vote goes to the house.

Minoosh · 11th May 2021, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

s/us-politics/tucker-carlson-white-nationalist-vdare-b1830829.html[/url]You may also recall the chants of "you will not replace us" during the neo-nazi rally held in Charlottesville that ended in a terrorist attack perpetrated by a white nationalist.

Reported widely as "Jews will not replace us" - meaning, I think, that the "globalists" or the establishment want to get rid of white people, for some reason, and are importing people from other countries to do it.

Skeptic Ginger · 11th May 2021, 09:53 PM

My favorite Randy Rainbow yet. We need a Randy Rainbow thread but until then I'll put this here: Clang clang clang went Josh Hawley.

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I AGREE

Stacyhs · 12th May 2021, 01:39 AM

Oh, I do love me some Randy! Agreed...his best one yet. Poor Lindsey Graham must be so torn over loving yet hating Randy........

Delphic Oracle · 16th May 2021, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

My favorite Randy Rainbow yet. We need a Randy Rainbow thread but until then I'll put this here: Clang clang clang went Josh Hawley.

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

Lady Oracle and I had a hoot.

Yes, instantly among the best.

TurkeysGhost · 18th May 2021, 03:23 AM

In lighter news:

Quote:

A group of more than 100 retired generals and admirals who have accused President Joe Biden of being a communist have been pranked by a faux flag officer going by the nom de guerre “Rear Adm. Jack Meehoff.”

If you don’t get the joke, just say the name “Jack Meehoff” aloud. That’s right. You understand now.

Earlier this month, the group Flag Officers 4 America posted an open letter that repeated lies spread by former President Donald Trump and the elected leaders who support his claims that the FBI and Supreme Court ignored “election irregularities” in 2020.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/mili...-jack-meehoff/

Thank you for your service Rear Admiral Jack Meehoff.

Stacyhs · 18th May 2021, 04:37 PM

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A group of more than 100 retired generals and admirals who have accused President Joe Biden of being a communist...

Thanks goodness.

TheSupermeerkat · 18th May 2021, 04:44 PM

So how many retired Generals are Admirals are there at the moment?

Fizil · 19th May 2021, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat

So how many retired Generals are Admirals are there at the moment?

An accurate count is hard to make, but I have seen estimates of roughly 5,000 living retired general officers in the US.

TheSupermeerkat · 19th May 2021, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Fizil

An accurate count is hard to make, but I have seen estimates of roughly 5,000 living retired general officers in the US.

About 2% then, which is irrelevant.

Skeptic Ginger · 19th May 2021, 09:13 AM

As far as the Jack-Meehoff name, has anyone verified how many other fake names are on that letter?

catsmate · 20th May 2021, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat

About 2% then, which is irrelevant.

Given that Tom Kratman (Space Marine!) made LCOL before his services were dispensed with there seems likely to be a significant number of US military officers where are complete nutjobs.

SteveAitch · 20th May 2021, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Given that Tom Kratman (Space Marine!) made LCOL before his services were dispensed with there seems likely to be a significant number of US military officers where are complete nutjobs.

Don't all officers get a promotion just before retirement, so that they give them a bigger pension? I seem to remember reading that it was the usual procedure in the British army, and probably other services.

catsmate · 21st May 2021, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by SteveAitch

Don't all officers get a promotion just before retirement, so that they give them a bigger pension? I seem to remember reading that it was the usual procedure in the British army, and probably other services.

I don't know about the USA, certainly he didn't. Though there are distinct suggestions that they were glad to get rid of him.
Given the crap he's produced since then, that would not be surprising.

Armitage72 · 21st May 2021, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by SteveAitch

Don't all officers get a promotion just before retirement, so that they give them a bigger pension? I seem to remember reading that it was the usual procedure in the British army, and probably other services.

In the Kelsey Grammer Navy comedy "Down Periscope", an Admiral was eager to earn an additional star in an upcoming military exercise before he retired, whether for greater benefits or just for prestige and bragging rights. When he failed the exercise, after arbitrarily changing the rules for his benefit, a higher ranked Admiral told him that he wouldn't be promoted before he retired. No guarantees as to the accuracy of that though.

Stacyhs · 21st May 2021, 01:02 PM

Not that I'm aware of . When my dad retired after 20 years as an AF pilot, they offered him a promotion if he would stay in but that meant likely going to Vietnam, so he said no. His co-pilot who was due to retire the next year said yes to the same offer and did get a promotion but when he did retire he didn't get another promotion.

ahhell · 21st May 2021, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Not that I'm aware of . When my dad retired after 20 years as an AF pilot, they offered him a promotion if he would stay in but that meant likely going to Vietnam, so he said no. His co-pilot who was due to retire the next year said yes to the same offer and did get a promotion but when he did retire he didn't get another promotion.

Funny, my dad was offered a promotion after twenty years but he would also have had to go to Vietnam. He was enlisted though.

I'm guessing the promotion just prior to retirement happens occasionally, especially if you're popular.

15th April 2021, 05:05 AM	#1
TurkeysGhost Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 31,634	The post-Trump fascist creep catch-all thread Tucker Carlson's White Power Hour continues its steady march into open white nationalism. This time, Carlson is parroting the elements of "White Replacement Theory", the idea that liberals intend to take political power in this country by importing or outbreeding white Americans. White nationalists are thrilled to see their talking points on primetime television: Quote: White nationalist website calls Tucker Carlson’s ‘replacement’ rant ‘one of the best things Fox News has ever aired’ The Fox News host has won the praise of an officially designated hate group after appearing to endorse the racist ‘replacement’ theory https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1830829.html You may be familiar with this type of rhetoric from the manifesto of several mass shooters in recent memory. The language that white people are experiencing a soft genocide is exactly the justification at the root of white nationalist and fascistic terrorism that is currently in vogue. You may also recall the chants of "you will not replace us" during the neo-nazi rally held in Charlottesville that ended in a terrorist attack perpetrated by a white nationalist. Seems the mainstream right is not seeing the Trump loss as a repudiation of their increasingly white nationalist, fascistic politics, but rather are doubling down.
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15th April 2021, 06:28 AM	#2
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15th April 2021, 06:37 AM	#4
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey Tucker Carlson's White Power Hour They really should call it that. And yeah, this ridiculous theory isn't new. Personally I don't get it. I'd understand the resistance to, say, one's culture or morals being replaced by the new generations and so on, but I really don't give a rat's ass about skin colour. So what if, say, in 200 years there are very few white people? Why is that important to so many ******* people?
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15th April 2021, 06:37 AM	#5
TurkeysGhost Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 31,634	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Surprise! Tucker will keep doing this while advertising continues on his time-slot. In the past, pillow guy was there to pick up the slack. After the last Tucker moment of white nationalism, My Pillow was advertising on a majority of the time slots for the show after most of the mainstream brands temporarily distanced themselves. I really doubt Tucker Carlson is at any risk here. Fox would probably air his show ad-free at a loss if they had to. It's massively popular, and it would probably be worth it as a loss-leader to get people to stay on the network. They certainly don't want to lose him to any competitors.
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15th April 2021, 07:48 AM	#6
TurkeysGhost Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 31,634	Fascist "white replacement theory" being repeated by US Congressional rep during hearing. https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...cked-up-house/
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15th April 2021, 06:32 AM	#3
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 26,918	I'm interested to see what advertisers do. Fox isn't above sacrificing some of its biggest stars when the money stops flowing. Good ratings don't matter when no one is paying you to put their ads in front of your viewers' eyeballs.

15th April 2021, 08:09 AM	#7
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,628	Originally Posted by Craig4 I'm interested to see what advertisers do. Fox isn't above sacrificing some of its biggest stars when the money stops flowing. Good ratings don't matter when no one is paying you to put their ads in front of your viewers' eyeballs. The problem is, it's not just the advertising in the timeslot itself, it is also the lead in shows. They also have him as the main show on their streaming service. Fox News also has the highest per customer rate among cable providers because their audience is pretty...we'll say "loyal". And, there is the scramble to fend off not just wannabes like OAN and News max, but online platforms that, ironically, FNC helped elevate.
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15th April 2021, 11:55 AM	#8
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by Donal The problem is, it's not just the advertising in the timeslot itself, it is also the lead in shows. They also have him as the main show on their streaming service. Fox News also has the highest per customer rate among cable providers because their audience is pretty...we'll say "loyal". And, there is the scramble to fend off not just wannabes like OAN and News max, but online platforms that, ironically, FNC helped elevate. And Fox news has become the biggest earner for Murdoch since this sold off most the rest of his entertainment interests to Disney a few years ago.

16th April 2021, 07:58 AM	#9
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	In sense they are right. The older culture in the US is white, and I do seek it's total destruction through such things as libertarianism and complete open borders. And they are correct that it would be quite painful for them. So what is the problem?
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16th April 2021, 09:03 AM	#10
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,893	Fox isn't primarily funded by advertisement but with subscriptions. so it doesn't really matter if no one advertises on FTucker - as long as he has a lot of viewers he is safe.
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16th April 2021, 01:11 PM	#11
dmaker Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,738	This thread seems like a good spot for this: "A new America First Caucus — led by @mtgreenee and @RepGosar — is recruiting people to join based on “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” architectural style that “befits the progeny of European architecture”" https://twitter.com/punchbowlnews/st...04228256837637

16th April 2021, 02:17 PM	#12
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by dmaker This thread seems like a good spot for this: "A new America First Caucus — led by @mtgreenee and @RepGosar — is recruiting people to join based on “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” architectural style that “befits the progeny of European architecture”" https://twitter.com/punchbowlnews/st...04228256837637 The idiots probably don't know who the Anglo Saxons originally were...

17th April 2021, 04:15 AM	#13
TurkeysGhost Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 31,634	Originally Posted by dmaker This thread seems like a good spot for this: "A new America First Caucus — led by @mtgreenee and @RepGosar — is recruiting people to join based on “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” architectural style that “befits the progeny of European architecture”" https://twitter.com/punchbowlnews/st...04228256837637 Edging closer and closer to the "fourteen words", more or less, becoming official policy of the Republican party.
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17th April 2021, 04:20 AM	#14
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by dmaker This thread seems like a good spot for this: "A new America First Caucus — led by @mtgreenee and @RepGosar — is recruiting people to join based on “Anglo-Saxon political traditions” architectural style that “befits the progeny of European architecture”" https://twitter.com/punchbowlnews/st...04228256837637 Already a thread on this.
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21st April 2021, 05:19 AM	#15
TurkeysGhost Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 31,634	White nationalists in a froth over the Chauvin conviction. The usual propagandists are espousing the view that the guilty verdict was only reached because the jurors were too afraid of the mobs to do anything else. Tucker Carlson describes a police officer being convicted of murdering a black person as an "attack on civilization". Quote: “Those things are unacceptable in America, all of them are happening now. If they continue to happen, decent, productive people will leave. The country as you knew it will be over. So we must stop this current insanity. It’s an attack on civilization. At stake is far more than the future of Derek Chauvin, or the memory of George Floyd. At stake is America,” Tucker complained. “So before we consider the details of today’s verdict, a bigger question, One we should all think about. Can we trust the way this decision was made? That’s the promise of our justice system, that it’s impartial, that it’s as fair as human beings can make it. That the cop who killed Ashli Babbitt will be held to the very same scrutiny as the cop who was just convicted of killing George Floyd. That political or ethnic considerations will play absolutely no role in jury deliberations. That justice will be blind. Can we say all of that in this case?” https://www.thewrap.com/tucker-carls...-scared-video/ Tucker Carlson trying to stoke the embers of race war, as usual.
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21st April 2021, 05:20 AM	#16
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey Tucker Carlson trying to stoke the embers of race war, as usual. Carlson has a lot of blood on his hands already.
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21st April 2021, 05:27 AM	#17
TurkeysGhost Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 31,634	Originally Posted by Belz... Carlson has a lot of blood on his hands already. It's a very instructive program, a truly pure distillation of the white fear and rage that animates so much of this country. His continued meltdown about the verdict makes it clear. If black people are going to have rights that are backed by the law, this country, as he knows it, is over. I suppose in that small way, he's right. Some might celebrate this change, but it's clear that many will violently resist it.
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23rd April 2021, 05:59 AM	#18
TurkeysGhost Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 31,634	Republican states across the country are passing laws criminalizing protest and legalizing vehicular manslaughter of protestors. Quote: G.O.P. Bills Target Protesters (and Absolve Motorists Who Hit Them) As the nation reacts to the guilty verdict a jury handed to Derek Chauvin in the killing of George Floyd, Republican-led states are introducing punitive new measures governing protests. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/u...e=articleShare
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23rd April 2021, 06:03 AM	#19
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey Republican states across the country are passing laws criminalizing protest and legalizing vehicular manslaughter of protestors. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/u...e=articleShare The party of 'shut the **** up and take it'.
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23rd April 2021, 02:31 PM	#20
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,983	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey Republican states across the country are passing laws criminalizing protest and legalizing vehicular manslaughter of protestors. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/21/u...e=articleShare Oh, that will go precisely nowhere really fast. I expect it already contradicts the First Amendment, and existing driving laws in all states.
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10th May 2021, 07:13 AM	#21
TurkeysGhost Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 31,634	Not just an absurd constitutional law hypothetical anymore: Quote: What will the institutions of liberal democracy do when Republican officials simply refuse to concede Democratic victories? The question isn’t as far-fetched as it may seem, and the reckoning may be coming far sooner than most expect. ... So what happens in 2024 if President Biden or Vice President Harris win the Electoral College, but local Republicans on county boards with majority Democratic votes refuse to certify the election; when state legislatures who have seized control of certification refuse to certify their state tallies; when a potential Republican majority in the House of Representatives refuses to certify the Electoral College tally? What happens when they refuse to certify Democratic wins in purple state Senate races, throwing control of the Upper Chamber into limbo and chaos? What happens if Biden/Harris wins the popular vote by 8 million votes and 30 electoral college votes, only to see Republicans in states like Georgia and Wisconsin decide that their GOP legislatures will send electors for Trump or Tucker Carlson or Josh Hawley instead? What happens if Democrats legitimately add to their lead in the Senate, only to see Republicans refuse to certify those tallies as well, keeping GOP Senators in place for the next session? https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/0...mocratic-wins/ The Republican party is purging out any insufficiently devoted members to the MAGA cause. The next time around, a narrow (or not so narrow) Democratic candidate win may very well be rejected by Republicans as illegitimate. Republican voters already believe as such, and it may soon come to pass that state level Republicans are unwilling or unable to recognize any non-MAGA victory. Fascism comes to power through legitimacy crises. The looming threat is here. The Trump failed coup wasn't a total failure for the fascists. The events exposed Republicans in position of power that weren't willing to go along with it. The party will use the intervening time to purge such people from positions of power at the state and local level and replace them with MAGA faithful. The next coup attempt will not suffer from such infighting on the right.
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10th May 2021, 08:50 AM	#22
Roger Ramjets Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 6,329	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward In sense they are right. The older culture in the US is white, and I do seek it's total destruction through such things as libertarianism and complete open borders. And they are correct that it would be quite painful for them. So what is the problem? The problem is they might take action to prevent it. Unless - like me - you think that civil war is not a problem. I welcome the opportunity to hasten their total destruction by whatever methods are appropriate.
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10th May 2021, 01:53 PM	#23
Lurch Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,411	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey Not just an absurd constitutional law hypothetical anymore: https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/0...mocratic-wins/ The Republican party is purging out any insufficiently devoted members to the MAGA cause. The next time around, a narrow (or not so narrow) Democratic candidate win may very well be rejected by Republicans as illegitimate. Republican voters already believe as such, and it may soon come to pass that state level Republicans are unwilling or unable to recognize any non-MAGA victory. Fascism comes to power through legitimacy crises. The looming threat is here. The Trump failed coup wasn't a total failure for the fascists. The events exposed Republicans in position of power that weren't willing to go along with it. The party will use the intervening time to purge such people from positions of power at the state and local level and replace them with MAGA faithful. The next coup attempt will not suffer from such infighting on the right. These are the fears of mine which cause me to wonder why otherwise perspicacious people would be given to pooh-poohing the 'failed' insurrection and the 'settlement' of the 2020 election as evidence of the future inability of the MAGA cult to ever succeed. The GQP have had a dry run and have learned from it.

11th May 2021, 07:42 AM	#24
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey Not just an absurd constitutional law hypothetical anymore: https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/0...mocratic-wins/ The Republican party is purging out any insufficiently devoted members to the MAGA cause. The next time around, a narrow (or not so narrow) Democratic candidate win may very well be rejected by Republicans as illegitimate. Republican voters already believe as such, and it may soon come to pass that state level Republicans are unwilling or unable to recognize any non-MAGA victory. Fascism comes to power through legitimacy crises. The looming threat is here. The Trump failed coup wasn't a total failure for the fascists. The events exposed Republicans in position of power that weren't willing to go along with it. The party will use the intervening time to purge such people from positions of power at the state and local level and replace them with MAGA faithful. The next coup attempt will not suffer from such infighting on the right. I don't understand that article because the constitution spells out the process pretty clearly...the vote goes to the house.
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11th May 2021, 03:06 PM	#25
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,496	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey s/us-politics/tucker-carlson-white-nationalist-vdare-b1830829.html[/url]You may also recall the chants of "you will not replace us" during the neo-nazi rally held in Charlottesville that ended in a terrorist attack perpetrated by a white nationalist. Reported widely as "Jews will not replace us" - meaning, I think, that the "globalists" or the establishment want to get rid of white people, for some reason, and are importing people from other countries to do it.

12th May 2021, 01:39 AM	#27
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Oh, I do love me some Randy! Agreed...his best one yet. Poor Lindsey Graham must be so torn over loving yet hating Randy........

18th May 2021, 03:23 AM	#29
TurkeysGhost Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 31,634	In lighter news: Quote: A group of more than 100 retired generals and admirals who have accused President Joe Biden of being a communist have been pranked by a faux flag officer going by the nom de guerre “Rear Adm. Jack Meehoff.” If you don’t get the joke, just say the name “Jack Meehoff” aloud. That’s right. You understand now. Earlier this month, the group Flag Officers 4 America posted an open letter that repeated lies spread by former President Donald Trump and the elected leaders who support his claims that the FBI and Supreme Court ignored “election irregularities” in 2020. https://taskandpurpose.com/news/mili...-jack-meehoff/ Thank you for your service Rear Admiral Jack Meehoff.
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18th May 2021, 04:37 PM	#30
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Quote: A group of more than 100 retired generals and admirals who have accused President Joe Biden of being a communist... Thanks goodness.

18th May 2021, 04:44 PM	#31
TheSupermeerkat Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 1,776	So how many retired Generals are Admirals are there at the moment?

19th May 2021, 08:02 AM	#32
Fizil Muse Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 698	Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat So how many retired Generals are Admirals are there at the moment? An accurate count is hard to make, but I have seen estimates of roughly 5,000 living retired general officers in the US.
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19th May 2021, 08:15 AM	#33
TheSupermeerkat Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 1,776	Originally Posted by Fizil An accurate count is hard to make, but I have seen estimates of roughly 5,000 living retired general officers in the US. About 2% then, which is irrelevant.

19th May 2021, 09:13 AM	#34
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,946	As far as the Jack-Meehoff name, has anyone verified how many other fake names are on that letter?

20th May 2021, 06:31 AM	#35
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 28,613	Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat About 2% then, which is irrelevant. Given that Tom Kratman (Space Marine!) made LCOL before his services were dispensed with there seems likely to be a significant number of US military officers where are complete nutjobs.
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20th May 2021, 08:57 AM	#36
SteveAitch Muse Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: St Aines Posts: 800	Originally Posted by catsmate Given that Tom Kratman (Space Marine!) made LCOL before his services were dispensed with there seems likely to be a significant number of US military officers where are complete nutjobs. Don't all officers get a promotion just before retirement, so that they give them a bigger pension? I seem to remember reading that it was the usual procedure in the British army, and probably other services.
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21st May 2021, 07:33 AM	#37
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 28,613	Originally Posted by SteveAitch Don't all officers get a promotion just before retirement, so that they give them a bigger pension? I seem to remember reading that it was the usual procedure in the British army, and probably other services. I don't know about the USA, certainly he didn't. Though there are distinct suggestions that they were glad to get rid of him. Given the crap he's produced since then, that would not be surprising.
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