The post-Trump fascist creep catch-all thread - Page 4

TurkeysGhost · 17th June 2021, 10:18 AM

American fascism isn't going away just because Trump is on the ropes. Nationalism and authoritarianism are now well established elements of mainstream conservative politics.

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Donors gave the prominent white nationalist hate group VDARE $4.3 million in 2019, over eight times more than the year before, according to tax records the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) obtained and shared with Hatewatch.

The large sum represents an unprecedented annual haul for an American white nationalist group and suggests that big-money donors of the conservative movement may be moving their riches to more extreme causes in the aftermath of Donald Trump’s rise.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/...ionalist-group

Stacyhs · 17th June 2021, 12:21 PM

Twenty-two GOP representatives voted against giving the police who protected the Capitol against the rioters the Congressional Gold Medal. According to them, they reject the use of the word "insurrection". One, Andrew Clyde of GA, even refused to shake the hand of Off. Fanone who had introduced himself. Clyde just walked away. Fanone was seriously injured on Jan. 6 sustaining a serious brain injury and suffering a heart attack. These are the same representatives who claim "we support the police". What a bunch of complete jerks. But it's what I've come to expect from this GOP.

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Fanone said the Republican congressman refused to shake his hand even after he introduced himself as an officer who "fought to defend the Capitol on Jan. 6," and described being beaten until he was unconscious.
"His response was nothing,” Fanone told the Post. “He turned away from me, pulled out his cellphone and started thumbing through the apps.”
"As soon as the elevator doors opened, he ran as quickly as he could like a coward," Fanone told CNN.

Belz... · 17th June 2021, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Twenty-two GOP representatives voted against giving the police who protected the Capitol against the rioters the Congressional Gold Medal. According to them, they reject the use of the word "insurrection". One, Andrew Clyde of GA, even refused to shake the hand of Off. Fanone who had introduced himself. Clyde just walked away. Fanone was seriously injured on Jan. 6 sustaining a serious brain injury and suffering a heart attack. These are the same representatives who claim "we support the police". What a bunch of complete jerks. But it's what I've come to expect from this GOP.

You know, I was fine until I got to the part of the heart attack. Now I'm really

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Stacyhs · 17th June 2021, 04:28 PM

Juneteenth: new holiday celebrating the end of slavery signed into law by Pres. Biden. It was passed unanimously in the Senate but 14 Reps voted against it.

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Some of the lawmakers who voted against the bill in the House argued the proposed holiday would only serve to divide Americans based on race, including GOP Rep. Chip Roy of Texas, who took aim at the name provided for the holiday in the legislation.
"This name needlessly divides our nation on a matter that should instead bring us together by creating a separate Independence Day based on the color of one's skin," Roy said in a statement.

I have news for Chip: Slaves were not given their freedom on Independence Day. They remained slaves. And that was based on the color of their skin*.

Matt Rosendale declared

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“Let’s call an ace an ace. This is an effort by the Left to create a day out of whole cloth to celebrate identity politics as part of its larger efforts to make Critical Race Theory the reigning ideology of our country. Since I believe in treating everyone equally, regardless of race, and that we should be focused on what unites us rather than our differences, I will vote no.”

At least he didn't say "spade" instead of "ace". Sure, Matt...you believe in treating everyone equally.

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During Rosendale’s rise from an obscure state legislator to state auditor and now the GOP nominee for Senate, he was an administrator of a 95,000-member Facebook group where conservatives share racist and incendiary posts. He was also forging connections with well-known racists, bigots and white supremacists that have appeared to call for the murders of gay people and President Barack Obama.

In 2014, during his unsuccessful bid for Congress, Rosendale embraced controversial pastor Chuck Baldwin, a racist and anti-Semitic leader of “hardcore white supremacists,” according to the Montana Human Rights Network. In February 2014, Rosendale attended a service at Baldwin’s church, the Liberty Fellowship. Two months later, Rosendale and Baldwin spoke at a rally hosted by Oath Keepers, “one of the largest radical antigovernment groups in the U.S.,” according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Here they are in all their glorious stupidity:

Rep. Andy Biggs of Arizona
Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama
Rep. Andrew Clyde of Georgia
Rep. Scott DesJarlais of Tennessee
Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona
Rep. Ronny Jackson of Texas
Rep. Doug LaMalfa of California
Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky
Rep. Tom McClintock of California
Rep. Ralph Norman of South Carolina
Rep. Mike Rogers of Alabama
Rep. Matt Rosendale of Montana
Rep. Chip Roy of Texas
Rep. Tom Tiffany of Wisconsin

Reps from only four states that did not have slavery voted against the holiday. The South still isn't really accepting responsibility for its role in slavery.

*Ok...I know it was actually based on whether the mother was a slave or not at the time of birth, but Roy would be too stupid to know that.

Belz... · 17th June 2021, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Juneteenth: new holiday celebrating the end of slavery signed into law by Pres. Biden. It was passed unanimously in the Senate but 14 Reps voted against it.

"This name needlessly divides our nation on a matter that should instead bring us together"

A holiday about ending slavery and making people more equal is going to make America more divided, what?

Stacyhs · 17th June 2021, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

"This name needlessly divides our nation on a matter that should instead bring us together"

A holiday about ending slavery and making people more equal is going to make America more divided, what?

Maybe he'd be happy if it were called Southern Whites Graciously Allow the End of Slavery Day.

Skeptic Ginger · 17th June 2021, 05:45 PM

Trevor Noah had a piece on today that was quite telling about certain white fascists creeps.

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President Biden’s $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief bill gave $4 billion to Black farmers, but conservatives pushed back. Here’s the history of how the USDA mistreated Black farmers for hundreds of years and how we can change it going forward. #DailyShow #TrevorNoah #IfYouDontKnowNowYouKnow

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The bill is temporarily on hold by the courts until they look at the white farmers' case.

Belz... · 17th June 2021, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Maybe he'd be happy if it were called Southern Whites Graciously Allow the End of Slavery Day.

Superior Race Allows Temporary Reprieve Day.

Stacyhs · 17th June 2021, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Superior Race Allows Temporary Reprieve Day.

What Slavery? Day

Mumbles · 17th June 2021, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

"This name needlessly divides our nation on a matter that should instead bring us together"

A holiday about ending slavery and making people more equal is going to make America more divided, what?

Same people yammering about CRT and the horrors of “the 1619 Project”, despite understanding neither.

And the same people demanding respect for treasonous slavers.

Making Juneteenth a federal holiday is almost entirely symbolic (almost because hey, new day off for federal, and many state, workers). But this is also due to a lot of hard work by real activists, and what we choose to symbolize, as countries, does speak to our group values. White supremacists understand this, too.

The Great Zaganza · 17th June 2021, 09:16 PM

A federal holiday is not just symbolic, as it creates space and opportunity for more actions going forward.

Stacyhs · 18th June 2021, 12:51 AM

It will be interesting to see which, if any, states give Juneteenth off. I'm going to go with "not Red states" for the win.

Bob001 · 18th June 2021, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by Mumbles

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Making Juneteenth a federal holiday is almost entirely symbolic (almost because hey, new day off for federal, and many state, workers). But this is also due to a lot of hard work by real activists, and what we choose to symbolize, as countries, does speak to our group values. White supremacists understand this, too.

Federal holidays are also a guide for private employers, union contracts, colleges, public schools, etc. There's no reason to think this won't be a wide practice in a few years.

Bob001 · 18th June 2021, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

It will be interesting to see which, if any, states give Juneteenth off. I'm going to go with "not Red states" for the win.

It took awhile, but the MLK Birthday became a state holiday in all 50 states by 1999, after becoming a federal holiday in 1983. I suspect that this will follow the same route.

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Belz... · 18th June 2021, 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

It will be interesting to see which, if any, states give Juneteenth off. I'm going to go with "not Red states" for the win.

Please tell me they're not actually calling it that. It sounds like something a teenager would come up with.

Armitage72 · 18th June 2021, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Please tell me they're not actually calling it that. It sounds like something a teenager would come up with.

The name Juneteenth has been in use since the 1890s.
The name is derived from the date, the day that Union General Gordon Granger informed the slaves in Galveston, Texas that they were officially free.

Belz... · 18th June 2021, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

The name Juneteenth has been in use since the 1890s.

It's still a stupid name, unworthy of the respect it should command.

slyjoe · 18th June 2021, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

It took awhile, but the MLK Birthday became a state holiday in all 50 states by 1999, after becoming a federal holiday in 1983. I suspect that this will follow the same route.

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Correct - and it wasn't some enlightenment that caused that. In Arizona, the NFL threatened with taking the super bowl away.

Mumbles · 18th June 2021, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

It's still a stupid name, unworthy of the respect it should command.

To you, maybe. Far as I care, it’s a compact, unique identifier of the nd of the struggle against chattel slavery, of the lengths white southerners went to to expand slavery, to the point of moving across state lines and going to an insane war while relying on the very people they enslaved to work supplying them with food and uniforms.

In short, the end of one of the most racist, and most stupid, institution at the heart of the US’ foundation.

And watching white supremasists like Rep. Gosar, Tucker Carlson, and Candace Owens whine and snivel about “unity” is fun, too.

Belz... · 18th June 2021, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Mumbles

To you, maybe. Far as I care, it’s a compact, unique identifier of the nd of the struggle against chattel slavery, of the lengths white southerners went to to expand slavery, to the point of moving across state lines and going to an insane war while relying on the very people they enslaved to work supplying them with food and uniforms.

In short, the end of one of the most racist, and most stupid, institution at the heart of the US’ foundation.

And watching white supremasists like Rep. Gosar, Tucker Carlson, and Candace Owens whine and snivel about “unity” is fun, too.

I'm not saying that the holiday is bad. Just the name. Liberty Day!

slyjoe · 18th June 2021, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

I'm not saying that the holiday is bad. Just the name. Liberty Day!

Was emancipation day already taken? Tie it right to the Emancipation Proclamation; maybe some will take the time to read it.

Skeptic Ginger · 18th June 2021, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

It's still a stupid name, unworthy of the respect it should command.

It makes it easier to assign a Monday or a Friday for the day off since that's what they do now with a number of federal holidays. So there is that.

Skeptic Ginger · 18th June 2021, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

I'm not saying that the holiday is bad. Just the name. Liberty Day!

Liberty for who?

We already have the 4th of July. Liberty Day is really too generic.

Belz... · 18th June 2021, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Liberty for who?

We already have the 4th of July. Liberty Day is really too generic.

Hey, that was my fist jab at it. Give me some slack!

Emancipation Day works for me.

CapelDodger · 18th June 2021, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

I'm not saying that the holiday is bad. Just the name. Liberty Day!

Emancication. Juneteenth sounds better already, doesn't it?

Belz... · 18th June 2021, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by CapelDodger

Emancication. Juneteenth sounds better already, doesn't it?

No.

Stacyhs · 18th June 2021, 11:02 AM

It is a funny sounding word but that is the word that was used by the emancipated slaves in 1865 and by their descendants. Therefore, it is the correct name for the holiday that it celebrates.

Belz... · 18th June 2021, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

It is a funny sounding word but that is the word that was used by the emancipated slaves in 1865 and by their descendants. Therefore, it is the correct name for the holiday that it celebrates.

(stamps feet) No, it SUCKS!!!!

BobTheCoward · 18th June 2021, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

It is a funny sounding word but that is the word that was used by the emancipated slaves in 1865 and by their descendants. Therefore, it is the correct name for the holiday that it celebrates.

Through no fault of their own, they would have been in below average education and knowledge for 1865. An odd group to lean on for decision making.

Armitage72 · 18th June 2021, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

It is a funny sounding word but that is the word that was used by the emancipated slaves in 1865 and by their descendants. Therefore, it is the correct name for the holiday that it celebrates.

It's a little like going to Hawaii and telling them that Kamehameha is too hard to spell, so we're going to change the name of King Kamehameha Day to something we like better.

Mumbles · 18th June 2021, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

I'm not saying that the holiday is bad. Just the name. Liberty Day!

Like I said, you don't like it. Falls well into black American verbal tradition to me. "Juneteenth" carries everything I wrote about, to me, in two syllables.

Belz... · 18th June 2021, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Like I said, you don't like it.

Of course it's just me. There's no other possibility.

I didn't mean to start a polemic. I'm just saying I'd prefer a name that was more... dignified, I don't know.

Stacyhs · 18th June 2021, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

(stamps feet) No, it SUCKS!!!!

Go sit on the Naughty Chair!

Stacyhs · 18th June 2021, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

Through no fault of their own, they would have been in below average education and knowledge for 1865. An odd group to lean on for decision making.

Stacyhs · 18th June 2021, 02:04 PM

Ted Cruz, Ron Johnson, and Rick Scott lie about what Critical Race Theory is in their effort to incite fear among voters that children are being taught to "hate America".

Cruz: “Critical race theory is bigoted, it is a lie, and it is every bit as racist as the klansmen in white sheets.
Critical race theory says every white person is a racist. Critical race theory says America is fundamentally and irredeemably racist. Critical race theory seeks to turn us against each other and, if someone has different colored skin, seeks to make us hate that person."

Um...no. As DNC Chairwoman Jaime Harris said, "Yes because critical race academics who study the impact of systemic racism are sneaking around at night burning crosses in the yards of Americans, pulling folks from their homes, lynching folks & destroying communities."

Rick Scott: (School boards across the U.S.) "are trying to teach critical race theory, trash our history [and] present our founders as racist."

Again, no. Not whitewashing our history is not 'trashing it'. Half of our founders were slave holders. If that's not racist, I don't know what is. These Republicans are getting very good at whitewashing history to reflect what they want to believe. Case in point: The Jan. 6 insurrection was non-violent and just like a typical Capitol tour.

Ron Johnson: “I do not believe America is a systemically racist nation.” "They are propagandizing to our children. They are turning our children away from faith and family and our founding principles and ideals."

Once again...no. Of course he doesn't think America is systemically racist: he's a privileged, rich, white man. How is teaching the factual history of race in this country "propaganda" and turning kids "away from faith and family" unless the facts reveal that their "faith and family" aren't telling them the truth?

Prof. Joseph does an excellent job of explaining what CRT is and is not:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...k-in-politics/

ahhell · 18th June 2021, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Same people yammering about CRT and the horrors of “the 1619 Project”, despite understanding neither.

And the same people demanding respect for treasonous slavers.

Making Juneteenth a federal holiday is almost entirely symbolic (almost because hey, new day off for federal, and many state, workers). But this is also due to a lot of hard work by real activists, and what we choose to symbolize, as countries, does speak to our group values. White supremacists understand this, too.

Might be the first time I totally agree with you.

Skeptic Ginger · 18th June 2021, 02:26 PM

Just like "defund police", CRT is a bad name as far as marketing goes. People who come up with these names pick something that makes perfect sense to them but is a flop with the marketing target. No matter how much sense it makes to you, chances are you are not the target market.

Whoever came up with CRT didn't consult any marketing sources or they consulted poor ones and now it's probably too late to change.

I get it that no matter the term chosen the Ted Cruzes are going to make the same arguments, but they aren't the target market either. The target is the public. And CRT is a WTF name.

Belz... · 18th June 2021, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Go sit on the Naughty Chair!

Well at least it's not the... comfy chair!!!

Belz... · 18th June 2021, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Just like "defund police", CRT is a bad name as far as marketing goes.

Lefties really SUCK at marketing. It's a damn shame.

Stacyhs · 18th June 2021, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Well at least it's not the... comfy chair!!!

SADIST!

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17th June 2021, 12:22 PM	#123
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Twenty-two GOP representatives voted against giving the police who protected the Capitol against the rioters the Congressional Gold Medal. According to them, they reject the use of the word "insurrection". One, Andrew Clyde of GA, even refused to shake the hand of Off. Fanone who had introduced himself. Clyde just walked away. Fanone was seriously injured on Jan. 6 sustaining a serious brain injury and suffering a heart attack. These are the same representatives who claim "we support the police". What a bunch of complete jerks. But it's what I've come to expect from this GOP. You know, I was fine until I got to the part of the heart attack. Now I'm really .
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17th June 2021, 04:28 PM	#124
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,295	Juneteenth: new holiday celebrating the end of slavery signed into law by Pres. Biden. It was passed unanimously in the Senate but 14 Reps voted against it. Quote: Some of the lawmakers who voted against the bill in the House argued the proposed holiday would only serve to divide Americans based on race, including GOP Rep. Chip Roy of Texas, who took aim at the name provided for the holiday in the legislation. "This name needlessly divides our nation on a matter that should instead bring us together by creating a separate Independence Day based on the color of one's skin," Roy said in a statement. I have news for Chip: Slaves were not given their freedom on Independence Day. They remained slaves. And that was based on the color of their skin.* Matt Rosendale declared Quote: “Let’s call an ace an ace. This is an effort by the Left to create a day out of whole cloth to celebrate identity politics as part of its larger efforts to make Critical Race Theory the reigning ideology of our country. Since I believe in treating everyone equally, regardless of race, and that we should be focused on what unites us rather than our differences, I will vote no.” At least he didn't say "spade" instead of "ace". Sure, Matt...you believe in treating everyone equally. Quote: During Rosendale’s rise from an obscure state legislator to state auditor and now the GOP nominee for Senate, he was an administrator of a 95,000-member Facebook group where conservatives share racist and incendiary posts. He was also forging connections with well-known racists, bigots and white supremacists that have appeared to call for the murders of gay people and President Barack Obama. In 2014, during his unsuccessful bid for Congress, Rosendale embraced controversial pastor Chuck Baldwin, a racist and anti-Semitic leader of “hardcore white supremacists,” according to the Montana Human Rights Network. In February 2014, Rosendale attended a service at Baldwin’s church, the Liberty Fellowship. Two months later, Rosendale and Baldwin spoke at a rally hosted by Oath Keepers, “one of the largest radical antigovernment groups in the U.S.,” according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. Here they are in all their glorious stupidity: Rep. Andy Biggs of Arizona Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama Rep. Andrew Clyde of Georgia Rep. Scott DesJarlais of Tennessee Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona Rep. Ronny Jackson of Texas Rep. Doug LaMalfa of California Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky Rep. Tom McClintock of California Rep. Ralph Norman of South Carolina Rep. Mike Rogers of Alabama Rep. Matt Rosendale of Montana Rep. Chip Roy of Texas Rep. Tom Tiffany of Wisconsin Reps from only four states that did not have slavery voted against the holiday. The South still isn't really accepting responsibility for its role in slavery. *Ok...I know it was actually based on whether the mother was a slave or not at the time of birth, but Roy would be too stupid to know that.
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17th June 2021, 04:58 PM	#125
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Juneteenth: new holiday celebrating the end of slavery signed into law by Pres. Biden. It was passed unanimously in the Senate but 14 Reps voted against it. "This name needlessly divides our nation on a matter that should instead bring us together" A holiday about ending slavery and making people more equal is going to make America more divided, what?
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17th June 2021, 06:32 PM	#128
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Maybe he'd be happy if it were called Southern Whites Graciously Allow the End of Slavery Day. Superior Race Allows Temporary Reprieve Day.
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17th June 2021, 12:21 PM	#122
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,295	Twenty-two GOP representatives voted against giving the police who protected the Capitol against the rioters the Congressional Gold Medal. According to them, they reject the use of the word "insurrection". One, Andrew Clyde of GA, even refused to shake the hand of Off. Fanone who had introduced himself. Clyde just walked away. Fanone was seriously injured on Jan. 6 sustaining a serious brain injury and suffering a heart attack. These are the same representatives who claim "we support the police". What a bunch of complete jerks. But it's what I've come to expect from this GOP. Quote: Fanone said the Republican congressman refused to shake his hand even after he introduced himself as an officer who "fought to defend the Capitol on Jan. 6," and described being beaten until he was unconscious. "His response was nothing,” Fanone told the Post. “He turned away from me, pulled out his cellphone and started thumbing through the apps.” "As soon as the elevator doors opened, he ran as quickly as he could like a coward," Fanone told CNN.

17th June 2021, 05:25 PM	#126
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,295	Originally Posted by Belz... "This name needlessly divides our nation on a matter that should instead bring us together" A holiday about ending slavery and making people more equal is going to make America more divided, what? Maybe he'd be happy if it were called Southern Whites Graciously Allow the End of Slavery Day.

17th June 2021, 06:36 PM	#129
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,295	Originally Posted by Belz... Superior Race Allows Temporary Reprieve Day. What Slavery? Day

17th June 2021, 08:58 PM	#130
Mumbles Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,726	Originally Posted by Belz... "This name needlessly divides our nation on a matter that should instead bring us together" A holiday about ending slavery and making people more equal is going to make America more divided, what? Same people yammering about CRT and the horrors of “the 1619 Project”, despite understanding neither. And the same people demanding respect for treasonous slavers. Making Juneteenth a federal holiday is almost entirely symbolic (almost because hey, new day off for federal, and many state, workers). But this is also due to a lot of hard work by real activists, and what we choose to symbolize, as countries, does speak to our group values. White supremacists understand this, too.
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17th June 2021, 09:16 PM	#131
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,888	A federal holiday is not just symbolic, as it creates space and opportunity for more actions going forward.
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18th June 2021, 12:51 AM	#132
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,295	It will be interesting to see which, if any, states give Juneteenth off. I'm going to go with "not Red states" for the win.

18th June 2021, 01:21 AM	#133
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,613	Originally Posted by Mumbles ...... Making Juneteenth a federal holiday is almost entirely symbolic (almost because hey, new day off for federal, and many state, workers). But this is also due to a lot of hard work by real activists, and what we choose to symbolize, as countries, does speak to our group values. White supremacists understand this, too. Federal holidays are also a guide for private employers, union contracts, colleges, public schools, etc. There's no reason to think this won't be a wide practice in a few years.

18th June 2021, 02:00 AM	#134
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,613	Originally Posted by Stacyhs It will be interesting to see which, if any, states give Juneteenth off. I'm going to go with "not Red states" for the win. It took awhile, but the MLK Birthday became a state holiday in all 50 states by 1999, after becoming a federal holiday in 1983. I suspect that this will follow the same route. .

18th June 2021, 03:10 AM	#135
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by Stacyhs It will be interesting to see which, if any, states give Juneteenth off. I'm going to go with "not Red states" for the win. Please tell me they're not actually calling it that. It sounds like something a teenager would come up with.
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18th June 2021, 05:59 AM	#136
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,824	Originally Posted by Belz... Please tell me they're not actually calling it that. It sounds like something a teenager would come up with. The name Juneteenth has been in use since the 1890s. The name is derived from the date, the day that Union General Gordon Granger informed the slaves in Galveston, Texas that they were officially free.
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18th June 2021, 06:03 AM	#137
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by Armitage72 The name Juneteenth has been in use since the 1890s. It's still a stupid name, unworthy of the respect it should command.
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18th June 2021, 06:05 AM	#138
slyjoe Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 3,499	Originally Posted by Bob001 It took awhile, but the MLK Birthday became a state holiday in all 50 states by 1999, after becoming a federal holiday in 1983. I suspect that this will follow the same route. . Correct - and it wasn't some enlightenment that caused that. In Arizona, the NFL threatened with taking the super bowl away.
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18th June 2021, 09:22 AM	#139
Mumbles Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,726	Originally Posted by Belz... It's still a stupid name, unworthy of the respect it should command. To you, maybe. Far as I care, it’s a compact, unique identifier of the nd of the struggle against chattel slavery, of the lengths white southerners went to to expand slavery, to the point of moving across state lines and going to an insane war while relying on the very people they enslaved to work supplying them with food and uniforms. In short, the end of one of the most racist, and most stupid, institution at the heart of the US’ foundation. And watching white supremasists like Rep. Gosar, Tucker Carlson, and Candace Owens whine and snivel about “unity” is fun, too.
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18th June 2021, 09:39 AM	#140
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by Mumbles To you, maybe. Far as I care, it’s a compact, unique identifier of the nd of the struggle against chattel slavery, of the lengths white southerners went to to expand slavery, to the point of moving across state lines and going to an insane war while relying on the very people they enslaved to work supplying them with food and uniforms. In short, the end of one of the most racist, and most stupid, institution at the heart of the US’ foundation. And watching white supremasists like Rep. Gosar, Tucker Carlson, and Candace Owens whine and snivel about “unity” is fun, too. I'm not saying that the holiday is bad. Just the name. Liberty Day!
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18th June 2021, 10:00 AM	#141
slyjoe Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 3,499	Originally Posted by Belz... I'm not saying that the holiday is bad. Just the name. Liberty Day! Was emancipation day already taken? Tie it right to the Emancipation Proclamation; maybe some will take the time to read it.
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18th June 2021, 10:24 AM	#142
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,917	Originally Posted by Belz... It's still a stupid name, unworthy of the respect it should command. It makes it easier to assign a Monday or a Friday for the day off since that's what they do now with a number of federal holidays. So there is that.

18th June 2021, 10:27 AM	#143
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,917	Originally Posted by Belz... I'm not saying that the holiday is bad. Just the name. Liberty Day! Liberty for who? We already have the 4th of July. Liberty Day is really too generic.

18th June 2021, 10:42 AM	#144
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Liberty for who? We already have the 4th of July. Liberty Day is really too generic. Hey, that was my fist jab at it. Give me some slack! Emancipation Day works for me.
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18th June 2021, 10:45 AM	#145
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 25,102	Originally Posted by Belz... I'm not saying that the holiday is bad. Just the name. Liberty Day! Emancication. Juneteenth sounds better already, doesn't it?
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18th June 2021, 10:49 AM	#146
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by CapelDodger Emancication. Juneteenth sounds better already, doesn't it? No.
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18th June 2021, 11:02 AM	#147
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,295	It is a funny sounding word but that is the word that was used by the emancipated slaves in 1865 and by their descendants. Therefore, it is the correct name for the holiday that it celebrates.

18th June 2021, 11:09 AM	#148
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by Stacyhs It is a funny sounding word but that is the word that was used by the emancipated slaves in 1865 and by their descendants. Therefore, it is the correct name for the holiday that it celebrates. (stamps feet) No, it SUCKS!!!!
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18th June 2021, 11:21 AM	#149
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by Stacyhs It is a funny sounding word but that is the word that was used by the emancipated slaves in 1865 and by their descendants. Therefore, it is the correct name for the holiday that it celebrates. Through no fault of their own, they would have been in below average education and knowledge for 1865. An odd group to lean on for decision making.
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18th June 2021, 11:22 AM	#150
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,824	Originally Posted by Stacyhs It is a funny sounding word but that is the word that was used by the emancipated slaves in 1865 and by their descendants. Therefore, it is the correct name for the holiday that it celebrates. It's a little like going to Hawaii and telling them that Kamehameha is too hard to spell, so we're going to change the name of King Kamehameha Day to something we like better.

18th June 2021, 11:31 AM	#151
Mumbles Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,726	Originally Posted by Belz... I'm not saying that the holiday is bad. Just the name. Liberty Day! Like I said, you don't like it. Falls well into black American verbal tradition to me. "Juneteenth" carries everything I wrote about, to me, in two syllables.
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18th June 2021, 11:34 AM	#152
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 96,875	Originally Posted by Mumbles Like I said, you don't like it. Of course it's just me. There's no other possibility. I didn't mean to start a polemic. I'm just saying I'd prefer a name that was more... dignified, I don't know.
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18th June 2021, 11:53 AM	#153
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,295	Originally Posted by Belz... (stamps feet) No, it SUCKS!!!! Go sit on the Naughty Chair!

18th June 2021, 11:54 AM	#154
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,295	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward Through no fault of their own, they would have been in below average education and knowledge for 1865. An odd group to lean on for decision making.

18th June 2021, 02:04 PM	#155
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,295	Ted Cruz, Ron Johnson, and Rick Scott lie about what Critical Race Theory is in their effort to incite fear among voters that children are being taught to "hate America". Cruz: “Critical race theory is bigoted, it is a lie, and it is every bit as racist as the klansmen in white sheets. Critical race theory says every white person is a racist. Critical race theory says America is fundamentally and irredeemably racist. Critical race theory seeks to turn us against each other and, if someone has different colored skin, seeks to make us hate that person." Um...no. As DNC Chairwoman Jaime Harris said, "Yes because critical race academics who study the impact of systemic racism are sneaking around at night burning crosses in the yards of Americans, pulling folks from their homes, lynching folks & destroying communities." Rick Scott: (School boards across the U.S.) "are trying to teach critical race theory, trash our history [and] present our founders as racist." Again, no. Not whitewashing our history is not 'trashing it'. Half of our founders were slave holders. If that's not racist, I don't know what is. These Republicans are getting very good at whitewashing history to reflect what they want to believe. Case in point: The Jan. 6 insurrection was non-violent and just like a typical Capitol tour. Ron Johnson: “I do not believe America is a systemically racist nation.” "They are propagandizing to our children. They are turning our children away from faith and family and our founding principles and ideals." Once again...no. Of course he doesn't think America is systemically racist: he's a privileged, rich, white man. How is teaching the factual history of race in this country "propaganda" and turning kids "away from faith and family" unless the facts reveal that their "faith and family" aren't telling them the truth? Prof. Joseph does an excellent job of explaining what CRT is and is not: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...k-in-politics/

18th June 2021, 02:16 PM	#156
ahhell Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 5,289	Originally Posted by Mumbles Same people yammering about CRT and the horrors of “the 1619 Project”, despite understanding neither. And the same people demanding respect for treasonous slavers. Making Juneteenth a federal holiday is almost entirely symbolic (almost because hey, new day off for federal, and many state, workers). But this is also due to a lot of hard work by real activists, and what we choose to symbolize, as countries, does speak to our group values. White supremacists understand this, too. Might be the first time I totally agree with you.
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