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Old 21st May 2021, 10:12 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
I'm confused about something - since the insurrectionists were actually Antifa, why did the members of the GOP who hate Antifa vote against an investigation?
That should be pointed out to the GOP Senators. But since they know better, it won't get any of them to vote for the commission.
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Old 21st May 2021, 12:03 PM   #122
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Republican Senators Humiliate Themselves By Admitting They Haven’t Read 1/6 Commission Bill

“I haven’t even read it,” Rubio added. “I’m not interested in formalizing some partisan political weapon by either side.”

https://politicususa.com/2021/05/21/...sion-bill.html
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I see my submitted comments to his office really did the trick.
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Old 21st May 2021, 10:07 PM   #124
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Republican Senators Humiliate Themselves By Admitting They Haven’t Read 1/6 Commission Bill

“I haven’t even read it,” Rubio added. “I’m not interested in formalizing some partisan political weapon by either side.”

https://politicususa.com/2021/05/21/...sion-bill.html
Well, I suppose that it does happen to be a political weapon... in that it's fairly certain to expose Republican attempts to deploy brazen lies and violence as political weapons.
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Old 21st May 2021, 10:57 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Republican Senators Humiliate Themselves By Admitting They Haven’t Read 1/6 Commission Bill

“I haven’t even read it,” Rubio added. “I’m not interested in formalizing some partisan political weapon by either side.”

https://politicususa.com/2021/05/21/...sion-bill.html
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Old 21st May 2021, 11:35 PM   #126
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The charge countt is now 494.

The latest arrest and charge is yet another "Proud Boy" Daniel Lyons Scott, 28, on charges that include:

• assault on a federal officer with physical contact and intent to commit another felony;
• obstruction of law enforcement during civil disorder;
• knowingly engaging in acts of physical violence on restricted grounds;

other charges are pending.
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Old 22nd May 2021, 12:01 AM   #127
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500 supporters of their President indicted - yeah, nothing to see here.
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Old 22nd May 2021, 06:07 AM   #128
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Marco Rubio tweets

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Last night I read the bill creating a January 6th commission

It isn’t designed to produce a serious inquiry

It’s designed to be used as partisan political weapon

I am a no
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Old 22nd May 2021, 06:28 AM   #129
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
The charge countt is now 494.

The latest arrest and charge is yet another "Proud Boy" Daniel Lyons Scott, 28, on charges that include:

• assault on a federal officer with physical contact and intent to commit another felony;
• obstruction of law enforcement during civil disorder;
• knowingly engaging in acts of physical violence on restricted grounds;

other charges are pending.
Aka "milkshake". This is the moron captured yelling "let's take the capitol" while meeting with his other fash comrades before the violence started. I have a feeling this lack of discretion will probably play some role in making the conspiracy cases against a lot of the Proud Boys that are getting hoovered up by the feds.

I would expect a superseding indictment at some point in his case that adds much more severe charges for his role in the coordinated fascist assault.
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Old 22nd May 2021, 06:29 AM   #130
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At the ‘America First’ rally in Maricopa last tonight, Senator Marge Greene claimed that Trump had ‘intel’ that there was going to be violence at the Capitol on Jan 6, and wanted to put 10,000 troops around the Capitol but Pelosi refused.
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Old 22nd May 2021, 07:22 AM   #131
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"Journalist" who participated in Capitol riot and filmed the 360 no-scoping fatal shooting of Ashli Babbitt had the money he made selling the footage to the press seized by the feds as proceeds of a crime. Sucks to suck.

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U.S. seizes $90,000 from man who sold footage of U.S. Capitol riot
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-...ot-2021-05-21/

John Earle Sullivan, sometimes known as Activist John, is a right wing streamer that pretends to be left affiliated, though is widely known to be a grifter and agent provocateur. This is the same person often held up by right wing conspirators as proof that the Jan6 attack was an antifa operation.

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According to media reports, Sullivan participated in Black Lives Matter protests last year. Other Black Lives Matter activists in his home state have disavowed him.
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Old 22nd May 2021, 08:32 AM   #132
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Republican Senators Humiliate Themselves By Admitting They Haven’t Read 1/6 Commission Bill

“I haven’t even read it,” Rubio added. “I’m not interested in formalizing some partisan political weapon by either side.”
Legislators, everybody.
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Old 22nd May 2021, 08:33 AM   #133
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
500 supporters of their President indicted - yeah, nothing to see here.
You misspelled "Antifa", there.
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Old 22nd May 2021, 11:28 AM   #134
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
At the ‘America First’ rally in Maricopa last tonight, Senator Marge Greene claimed that Trump had ‘intel’ that there was going to be violence at the Capitol on Jan 6, and wanted to put 10,000 troops around the Capitol but Pelosi refused.
She is a Representative, not a Senator. And she's also a liar. So is Trump. And Christopher Miller.
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Old 22nd May 2021, 01:59 PM   #135
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
At the ‘America First’ rally in Maricopa last tonight, Senator Marge Greene claimed that Trump had ‘intel’ that there was going to be violence at the Capitol on Jan 6, and wanted to put 10,000 troops around the Capitol but Pelosi refused.
Q: Then why didn't she vote FOR creating a bipartisan commission that would have revealed this if there was any truth to it?

A: Because she is a liar and she knows there is no truth to it
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Old 23rd May 2021, 06:39 AM   #136
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Rep. Mike Gallagher voted against the January 6th commission, yet here he was locked in his office on January 6th calling it "banana republic crap" and begging Trump to call it off. Classic GOP hypocrisy.

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https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/s...50461787049984

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Old 23rd May 2021, 01:25 PM   #137
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
At the ‘America First’ rally in Maricopa last tonight, Senator Marge Greene claimed that Trump had ‘intel’ that there was going to be violence at the Capitol on Jan 6, and wanted to put 10,000 troops around the Capitol but Pelosi refused.
Heh, “Intel” meaning “they’re publicly saying so”. And since when did Toupee Fiasco listen to Pelosi?

It’s the obviousness of the law that makes me think “exactly what I’d expect from a goon that shared a video of herself performing a sex act on a first year rep’s office door.”
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Old 23rd May 2021, 03:04 PM   #138
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
At the ‘America First’ rally in Maricopa last tonight, Senator Marge Greene claimed that Trump had ‘intel’ that there was going to be violence at the Capitol on Jan 6, and wanted to put 10,000 troops around the Capitol but Pelosi refused.
Trump doesn't do "intel".
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Old 24th May 2021, 06:44 AM   #139
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Capitol insurrectionists aren't making plea deals because they believe Trump will swoop in to save them: report

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-att...ump-save-them/
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Capitol insurrectionists aren't making plea deals because they believe Trump will swoop in to save them: report

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-att...ump-save-them/
I think that will change after a few lose in court. Of course just look at the whole Bundy taking over a federal government installation and getting away with it, we have a pretty poor track record of holding violent right wing loons accountable for their actions.
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I think that will change after a few lose in court. Of course just look at the whole Bundy taking over a federal government installation and getting away with it, we have a pretty poor track record of holding violent right wing loons accountable for their actions.
I think that's the other reason there are few plea deals. The few convictions that came out of the Bunkerville and Malheur standoffs were plea deals. Those that held out for jury trials mostly had all charges dropped due to the prosecution madly and massively flubbing disclosure. That sent a clear message that plea deals were for suckers. In the Bundy family saga, those that held out for trial got off.

When these current cases go to trial, I'm thinking that the defense attorneys will really hit on disclosure, asking for all sorts of documents and audio and video and everything they can think of. They'll be pushing that because the prosecutions failure to provide requested documents torpedoed the prosecution of the Bundistas. So they'll ask for everything under the sun, including defense department conversations regarding the national guard. They'll want conversations from House and Senate leaders regarding security. They'll hope the penchant for secrecy prevents DOD and Congressional staff from providing those documents, thus flubbing discovery again.

These things can build over time. We really, really screwed up with the Bundy's, and that could follow through to this. If we screw this up, it will build to something else.
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Old 24th May 2021, 04:23 PM   #142
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Daily Beast: Nevada County GOP Cancels Meeting Amid Fear of Proud Boy Insurgency
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On Tuesday, May 25, Nevada’s Clark County Republican Party was scheduled to hold a meeting guarded by an armed security force. But on Monday, the party abruptly canceled the gathering altogether.

“Our management team has decided the risk to our members outweighs the value of this meeting,” Clark County Republican Party Vice Chair Stephen Sliberkraus said in a press conference.

The alleged threat was not from opponents across the aisle but from the far right.
We cannot tolerate being bullied by these people.
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I think that's the other reason there are few plea deals. The few convictions that came out of the Bunkerville and Malheur standoffs were plea deals. Those that held out for jury trials mostly had all charges dropped due to the prosecution madly and massively flubbing disclosure. That sent a clear message that plea deals were for suckers. In the Bundy family saga, those that held out for trial got off. ...
Do you have a cite for this?
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Do you have a cite for this?
Bundy case: Judge declares mistrial over 2014 armed standoff
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LAS VEGAS — A U.S. judge in Nevada declared a mistrial Wednesday in the case against a states' rights figure, his two sons and another man accused of leading a 2014 armed standoff with federal agents during a cattle grazing dispute.
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In the Nevada case, Navarro faulted federal prosecutors for failing to turn over all evidence to defense attorneys, including records about the conduct of FBI and Bureau of Land Management agents during the standoff.

"The government is obligated to disclose all evidence that might be favorable" to the defense, the judge said.
I was partly mistaken. There was a mistrial in the Bunkerville, NV related trial - I got that one right. There are news reports of it going back to trial again, but I didn't see any follow through.

They followed through with the jury trial regarding Malheur NWR, and were acquitted by the jury. There were issues with discovery there too, but not enough to cause a mistrial.
Government Outlines Malheur Trial Facebook Evidence Fumble In Memo To Judge

Either way, based on those two trials, I would think the Capitol defendants would be disincentivised to plea bargain.
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Capitol insurrectionists aren't making plea deals because they believe Trump will swoop in to save them: report

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-att...ump-save-them/
It's the Jesus cult all over again.
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Bundy case: Judge declares mistrial over 2014 armed standoff


I was partly mistaken. There was a mistrial in the Bunkerville, NV related trial - I got that one right. There are news reports of it going back to trial again, but I didn't see any follow through.

They followed through with the jury trial regarding Malheur NWR, and were acquitted by the jury. There were issues with discovery there too, but not enough to cause a mistrial.
Government Outlines Malheur Trial Facebook Evidence Fumble In Memo To Judge

Either way, based on those two trials, I would think the Capitol defendants would be disincentivised to plea bargain.
Thanks for the links. As for the Capitol defendants, doesn't that require they have an awareness of the news?
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Thanks for the links. As for the Capitol defendants, doesn't that require they have an awareness of the news?
They have plenty of awareness of the news, it is just filtered through a rather biased source and this is likely something that they are aware of, and certainly their lawyers should be.
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Thanks for the links. As for the Capitol defendants, doesn't that require they have an awareness of the news?
I imagine a lot of these CHUDs will remain unwavering supporters of Trump even after they've been sentenced and never got any relief, or even sympathies, from their God-King.

Real pathetic stuff, remaining loyal even after being publicly hung out to dry.
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A study was conducted on the demographics of the people arrested for rioting. It had a few suprising results
Amanpour and Company interviews Professor Robert Pape:
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-Most were gainfully employed, even rich
-Most were married
-Most were not part of a right wing gang or militia like the Proud Boys or the oath keepers
- Most were conservatives from blue cities and blue states. The counties with high Trump turnout, were not the people that showed up here
- His general conclusion had awkward phrasing, that most were "afraid that minorities rights would exceed that of white peoples rights" but my takeaway was that they had garden variety Tucker Carlson style racism.
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Gee whiz!

I know that Trump has had some horrible lawyers, but I never expected that Trump supporters would end up with even worse lawyers than Trump has.
Nothing much new here. The favorite defense of right wingers when they're caught doing something really bad and stupid is to argue that they're too stupid to be accountable. Here on this forum, T**** supporters often bring up his clueless idiocy as an excuse. Other commentators and staffers have with some success argued that their statements were so obviously nutty they couldn't be taken seriously. Under the circumstances maybe its the best approach.
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Many GOP legislators are incapable agreeing to the Jan 6 investigation without insisting the false equivalence of BLM and any other perceived 'librul' protest also be investigated.

I wonder if the Democrats should agree and insist the Democratic legislators who instigated those protests be demonstrably implicated. Any Democratic legislators out there giving speeches before a BLM protest began?
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Judge cites continued challenges to the legitimacy of the Biden win in reason to deny bail to J6 defendant. Hard to argue with this logic, the attack was clearly motivated by this conspiracy theory that has not abated.

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"Political dynamics that gave way to January 6th have not faded"

"Continuing doubts about legitimacy of election could give rise to another protest"
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/s...71084790075397
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The latest idiot to be charged is Jeremy Grace

https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...sVhac34QkQzOg_
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The latest idiot to be charged is Jeremy Grace



https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...sVhac34QkQzOg_
His father was also charged (way back in February).

In these difficult times it is nice to see a father and son sharing mutual interests... I mean most would want to go to a sporting event, or go fishing together, but I guess a terrorist riot can also make a good father-son bonding moment.

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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
His father was also charged (way back in February).

In these difficult times it is nice to see a father and son sharing mutual interests... I mean most would want to go to a sporting event, or go fishing together, but I guess a terrorist riot can also make a good father-son bonding moment.

Don't forget Eric Munchel, the guy with the tactical gear and zip-tie cuffs who attended the riot with his mother. Insurrections are fun for the whole family.
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
Don't forget Eric Munchel, the guy with the tactical gear and zip-tie cuffs who attended the riot with his mother. Insurrections are fun for the whole family.
That guy had to request court permission to call his mother on Mother's Day. As a condition of his pre-trial release, he's not allowed contact with his fellow co-defendants.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
His father was also charged (way back in February).

In these difficult times it is nice to see a father and son sharing mutual interests... I mean most would want to go to a sporting event, or go fishing together, but I guess a terrorist riot can also make a good father-son bonding moment.

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If anyone still cares about the continued attack on the very concept of American democracy, Republicans have blocked the creation of a Commission to investigate the riots on January 6th.

They needed 10 Republicans to join the Democrats to get the necessary number, only 6 Republicans voted for it.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
If anyone still cares about the continued attack on the very concept of American democracy, Republicans have blocked the creation of a Commission to investigate the riots on January 6th.

They needed 10 Republicans to join the Democrats to get the necessary number, only 6 Republicans voted for it.
It's odd. Usually the criminal is nt allowed to vote on whether he should be indicted.
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