Australian Politics: The Albanese Times - Page 4

arthwollipot · 23rd May 2022, 07:44 PM

Here's something that might seem minor but actually is pretty significant.

China has congratulated Albanese on his victory.

Chinese Premier Li Keqiang had a warm welcome message for Anthony Albanese. Is this the start of a new friendship with China?

Quote:

After close to two-and-a-half years of a Chinese cold shoulder, Beijing has moved quickly to show it's willing to patch things up with the newly elected Albanese government.

Premier Li Keqiang's congratulatory message would be routine under normal circumstances, but the warm language referencing the Whitlam Labor government's establishment of diplomatic ties with the People's Republic 50 years ago set the tone.

Mr Li said China was "ready to work with the Australian side to review the past, face the future, uphold principles of mutual respect, mutual benefit" — a far cry from the Cold War mentality language often hurled at the Morrison government.

China is expecting their relationship to the Albanese government to be significantly better than their relationship to the Morrison government. Whether this will actually be the case remains to be seen.

Wildy · 24th May 2022, 01:40 AM

I was looking at the Brisbane results on the ABC and got a little confused why it was still an LNP v Labor race on there instead of LNP v Greens.

Two things came out as interesting to me when I was looking at preference flows.

The first was that the Liberal Democrats had 2 different how to votes depending on your major party preference. So after they are excluded and their preferences go UAP then PHON, there would be a small split where some LD votes go to Labor instead of entirely to the LNP.

The second and most surprising one was that Animal Justice's HTV card preferences Labor before the Greens. Until we actually know the preference flow there's a very real chance that Labor can get enough votes to take second place meaning they'll win the seat on Greens preferences.

This ends up being a question as to who the LNP will lose to.

lionking · 24th May 2022, 03:56 AM

Latest vote counting shows Labor needs 2 of 6 seats for a majority. Looking good.

rjh01 · 24th May 2022, 04:31 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Here's something that might seem minor but actually is pretty significant.

China has congratulated Albanese on his victory.

Chinese Premier Li Keqiang had a warm welcome message for Anthony Albanese. Is this the start of a new friendship with China?

China is expecting their relationship to the Albanese government to be significantly better than their relationship to the Morrison government. Whether this will actually be the case remains to be seen.

Anything would be better than the Australian people being told that the Chinese are a threat to Australia.

lionking · 24th May 2022, 04:41 AM

The Staircase actor, the incomperable Colin Firth, is only a haircut away from Scomo. Maybe his next role? “Scomo the Musical”.

https://www.google.com.au/imgres?img...MygAegUIARCzAQ

catsmate · 24th May 2022, 09:28 AM

And I thought Irish elections took a long time to settle.

Sideroxylon · 24th May 2022, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

And I thought Irish elections took a long time to settle.

The PM was sworn in and flying to meet international leaders Monday after the weekend election. I think we have settled pretty well.

catsmate · 24th May 2022, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

The PM was sworn in and flying to meet international leaders Monday after the weekend election. I think we have settled pretty well.

But there are unfilled seats.....
Over here there would be no vote for Taoiseach until the counts were complete.

arthwollipot · 24th May 2022, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

But there are unfilled seats.....
Over here there would be no vote for Taoiseach until the counts were complete.

There are indeed a few seats still unfilled, and we won't know if Labor holds a majority in the House of Reps until they are. However, we do know that Labor is forming government - no other outcome is possible at this time - and we can proceed with the business of government from there.

Sideroxylon · 24th May 2022, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

There are indeed a few seats still unfilled, and we won't know if Labor holds a majority in the House of Reps until they are. However, we do know that Labor is forming government - no other outcome is possible at this time - and we can proceed with the business of government from there.

He received cooperation guarantees from some of the independents to allow this.

arthwollipot · 24th May 2022, 07:15 PM

Oh, and the other thing is that we have Proportional Representation. If a race is close - if no-one has a clear majority, it can take quite a while to count preferences. The more rounds of counting you have to go through, the longer it takes. That's just the way it is.

arthwollipot · 24th May 2022, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

He received cooperation guarantees from some of the independents to allow this.

Which helps if that is needed. Parliament isn't sitting yet. Most ministers haven't yet been named. So though Albo headed off to Japan real quick, it's not true to say that government is fully operational at this time.

Sideroxylon · 24th May 2022, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Which helps if that is needed. Parliament isn't sitting yet. Most ministers haven't yet been named. So though Albo headed off to Japan real quick, it's not true to say that government is fully operational at this time.

It was essential for the swearing in?

psionl0 · 24th May 2022, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

But there are unfilled seats.....
Over here there would be no vote for Taoiseach until the counts were complete.

The Governor General chooses and swears in the Prime Minister (and the other Cabinet ministers). Unlike Ireland, he can choose any member he likes and does not need a recommendation from Parliament.

It is pretty obvious that we have a Labor government (whether minority or majority is yet to be determined). Scott Morrison conceded defeat and Anthony Albanese was able to claim victory on election night so there was no impediment to having him sworn in.

arthwollipot · 24th May 2022, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

It was essential for the swearing in?

Yes, without which it would have been hard to represent the country at Quad. But though the election is "settled", it isn't over.

arthwollipot · 24th May 2022, 10:27 PM

Is Barnaby on the way out?

Barnaby Joyce's leadership of Nationals hangs in the balance, as deputy David Littleproud circles

Quote:

Barnaby Joyce's grip on the Nationals leadership could be slipping, as colleagues encourage his deputy David Littleproud to mount a challenge when the party meets in Canberra as soon as Monday.

The ABC understands Mr Littleproud has not been actively canvassing his colleagues but has the support of almost half of them.

Privately Mr Littleproud's backers say he is the best person to "unite the party" as the Coalition tries to rebuild itself in opposition.

They have also said Mr Joyce has told them he would consider stepping aside in 18 months to make way for a new leader.

Mr Joyce still enjoys strong support in the party room with former resources minister Keith Pitt publicly backing him to remain as leader, and several others telling the ABC they are "struggling" to find a reason for change.

Mr Joyce told the ABC he will "definitely" nominate for the leadership, even if there is a challenge. But he stressed he was "completely at ease with the democratic process."

Littleproud seems okay to me. He's good on climate change, which is refreshing. And his "biodiversity stewardship" program doesn't seem bat**** insane, which is also refreshing.

Sideroxylon · 24th May 2022, 10:41 PM

He looked and sounded deflated on election night right from the start.

Orphia Nay · 24th May 2022, 11:29 PM

I hope Barnaby is on the way out. We can't have a potato AND a beetroot as opposition.

lionking · 25th May 2022, 02:45 AM

Albo was brought up in Camperdown, a slum next door to the bigger slum I lived in, Chippendale.

Interestingly when I was a young kid, and before Albo’s time, much of that working class suburb was demolished to expand Sydney Uni.

So a born battler.

catsmate · 25th May 2022, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Oh, and the other thing is that we have Proportional Representation. If a race is close - if no-one has a clear majority, it can take quite a while to count preferences. The more rounds of counting you have to go through, the longer it takes. That's just the way it is.

Yeah we use PR-STV with all the fun that entails. The count has been called the last blood sport.
Do you have Tallymen?

lionking · 25th May 2022, 03:13 PM

Labor only needs one more seat for an absolute majority, with four undecided. They are looking very good in Macnamara.

Wildy · 25th May 2022, 04:08 PM

According to the AEC only 100 votes separate them from the Greens. If they can't keep 2nd place they won't win the seat.

Brisbane still looks to be a toss up, Labor aren't going to win in Gilmore and Lyons is on a knife edge as well. I honestly see minority government as a more likely option.

Sideroxylon · 25th May 2022, 04:55 PM

It’s good to see the new PM elevating political discourse in this country and ensuring his team maintain that dignity.

Dutton does look like Voldemort though, doesn’t he.

Orphia Nay · 25th May 2022, 05:28 PM

If it's not Potato and Beetroot, it's Voldemort and Jabba the Hutt.

arthwollipot · 25th May 2022, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

Yeah we use PR-STV with all the fun that entails. The count has been called the last blood sport.
Do you have Tallymen?

I'm gonna say no.

Quote:

A look at the tallymen, a traditional form of political calculation unique to the Irish election system.

arthwollipot · 25th May 2022, 05:50 PM

Brisbane has been conceded to the Greens.

Sideroxylon · 25th May 2022, 05:59 PM

I have been listening to Albanese’s post trip interviews. It’s very refreshing to have a smart leader with sincerity and vision instead of a clever leader with agendas talking out the side of his mouth.

arthwollipot · 25th May 2022, 06:10 PM

I know, right? I think the last guy who sounded this down-to-earth was Hawkie.

lionking · 25th May 2022, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Wildy

According to the AEC only 100 votes separate them from the Greens. If they can't keep 2nd place they won't win the seat.

Brisbane still looks to be a toss up, Labor aren't going to win in Gilmore and Lyons is on a knife edge as well. I honestly see minority government as a more likely option.

Well I don’t get this. Labor are leading comfortably in Macnamara and Green preferences will flow their way.

lionking · 25th May 2022, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Brisbane has been conceded to the Greens.

The tracker I’m looking at must be way behind because it’s still showing Labor second.

Wildy · 25th May 2022, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

Well I don’t get this. Labor are leading comfortably in Macnamara and Green preferences will flow their way.

I misread the data. You're right. Looks like it's pretty locked in.

Originally Posted by lionking

The tracker I’m looking at must be way behind because it’s still showing Labor second.

AEC has Labor second on first preferences but enough preferences are flowing to the Greens for them to take second place.

ABC is showing Lib v Green on their website.

psionl0 · 25th May 2022, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

I have been listening to Albanese’s post trip interviews. It’s very refreshing to have a smart leader with sincerity and vision instead of a clever leader with agendas talking out the side of his mouth.

Yes, Albo is enjoying a terrific honeymoon.

Norman Alexander · 25th May 2022, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

I'm gonna say no.

Hmmm, they sound like what we might call "scrutineers"? Although for Australia, scrutineers are usually party-affiliated watchdogs.

In any case, the AEC staff do the counting, and this is overseen extensively by all parties and the media to ensure scrupulous fairness. Because we have all paper ballots, counting is always going to be slower than electronic tallying. And if there's a challenge, they can be recounted.

Sideroxylon · 25th May 2022, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by psionl0

Yes, Albo is enjoying a terrific honeymoon.

Absolutely a honeymoon and he is going to be challenged hard with stuff ups, scandals and crises that may look to have no good option.

What I am seeing however is someone talking to interviewers in a genuine way about serious issues like climate change. Consider the way Morrison approached the topic in slick marketing mode lest he upset sponsors Murdoch, Koch bros, and their Coalition colleagues wanting to keep them and coal voters happy. You knew he wasn’t giving straight answers as he played the interview questions. Same with anything vaguely bordering culture war issues like the treatment of women. No, we have definitely opened all the windows up and let out the stench.

It will be a test of character for not to he a weasel like Morrison when faced with the tough questions, and keep his colleagues on the straight and narrow and not protect and enable. If he ever finds himself talking like Scomo from marketing he should walk.

lionking · 25th May 2022, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Sideroxylon

Absolutely a honeymoon and he is going to be challenged hard with stuff ups, scandals and crises that may look to have no good option.

What I am seeing however is someone talking to interviewers in a genuine way about serious issues like climate change. Consider the way Morrison approached the topic in slick marketing mode lest he upset sponsors Murdoch, Koch bros, and their Coalition colleagues wanting to keep them and coal voters happy. You knew he wasn’t giving straight answers as he played the interview questions. Same with anything vaguely bordering culture war issues like the treatment of women. No, we have definitely opened all the windows up and let out the stench.

It will be a test of character for not to he a weasel like Morrison when faced with the tough questions, and keep his colleagues on the straight and narrow and not protect and enable. If he ever finds himself talking like Scomo from marketing he should walk.

The thing is Also doesn't have dickheads in his Cabinet. As I have argued previously, many are at least the equal of him. Compare and contrast to the Coalition. Simon Birmingham was one of the few decent ones, but he has retired.

lionking · 25th May 2022, 10:17 PM

So it's all down to Macnamara and Labor has a 18,000 vote lead. Concede LNP and give Labor the majority it deserves.

Still it will be wafer thin, and discipline will be required. There are enough head kickers there (like Marles) to ensure nobody does anything stupid.

But who knows in Australian Politics now? You just need a backbencher to mouth off at any religious group or express concerns about trans rights (for just one)and the "sack him/her" chorus from Fox and News becomes deafening.

arthwollipot · 25th May 2022, 11:31 PM

Pocock hasn't taken Zed's senate seat yet, but it's starting to look more and more like he's gonna.

That will be a happy day.

Norman Alexander · 26th May 2022, 12:38 AM

One more...just one more...

arthwollipot · 26th May 2022, 01:05 AM

Peter Dutton, a ferocious partisan, is now trying to walk both sides of the street

Quote:

If the Liberal party had full control of its destiny, or if there were a suite of viable options, this political movement would not be presenting a fresh leadership team of Dutton and Barnaby Joyce as the answer to Saturday’s electoral rout, because – how can I put this politely? – that would be nuts.

Wildy · 26th May 2022, 02:49 PM

Turns out Morrison told the Border Force to reveal they'd intercepted a boat on election day.

Its not surprising that they'd cynically do that for votes. It also shows that having stopped taking about the boats didn't actually stop the boats.

23rd May 2022, 07:44 PM	#121
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,098	Here's something that might seem minor but actually is pretty significant. China has congratulated Albanese on his victory. Chinese Premier Li Keqiang had a warm welcome message for Anthony Albanese. Is this the start of a new friendship with China? Quote: After close to two-and-a-half years of a Chinese cold shoulder, Beijing has moved quickly to show it's willing to patch things up with the newly elected Albanese government. Premier Li Keqiang's congratulatory message would be routine under normal circumstances, but the warm language referencing the Whitlam Labor government's establishment of diplomatic ties with the People's Republic 50 years ago set the tone. Mr Li said China was "ready to work with the Australian side to review the past, face the future, uphold principles of mutual respect, mutual benefit" — a far cry from the Cold War mentality language often hurled at the Morrison government. China is expecting their relationship to the Albanese government to be significantly better than their relationship to the Morrison government. Whether this will actually be the case remains to be seen.
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24th May 2022, 01:40 AM	#122
Wildy Adelaidean Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 11,715	I was looking at the Brisbane results on the ABC and got a little confused why it was still an LNP v Labor race on there instead of LNP v Greens. Two things came out as interesting to me when I was looking at preference flows. The first was that the Liberal Democrats had 2 different how to votes depending on your major party preference. So after they are excluded and their preferences go UAP then PHON, there would be a small split where some LD votes go to Labor instead of entirely to the LNP. The second and most surprising one was that Animal Justice's HTV card preferences Labor before the Greens. Until we actually know the preference flow there's a very real chance that Labor can get enough votes to take second place meaning they'll win the seat on Greens preferences. This ends up being a question as to who the LNP will lose to.
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24th May 2022, 03:56 AM	#123
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 53,479	Latest vote counting shows Labor needs 2 of 6 seats for a majority. Looking good.
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24th May 2022, 04:31 AM	#124
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Flying around in the sky Posts: 27,728	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Here's something that might seem minor but actually is pretty significant. China has congratulated Albanese on his victory. Chinese Premier Li Keqiang had a warm welcome message for Anthony Albanese. Is this the start of a new friendship with China? China is expecting their relationship to the Albanese government to be significantly better than their relationship to the Morrison government. Whether this will actually be the case remains to be seen. Anything would be better than the Australian people being told that the Chinese are a threat to Australia.
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24th May 2022, 04:41 AM	#125
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 53,479	The Staircase actor, the incomperable Colin Firth, is only a haircut away from Scomo. Maybe his next role? “Scomo the Musical”. https://www.google.com.au/imgres?img...MygAegUIARCzAQ
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24th May 2022, 09:28 AM	#126
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 28,613	And I thought Irish elections took a long time to settle.
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24th May 2022, 12:41 PM	#127
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,429	Originally Posted by catsmate And I thought Irish elections took a long time to settle. The PM was sworn in and flying to meet international leaders Monday after the weekend election. I think we have settled pretty well.

24th May 2022, 01:00 PM	#128
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 28,613	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon The PM was sworn in and flying to meet international leaders Monday after the weekend election. I think we have settled pretty well. But there are unfilled seats..... Over here there would be no vote for Taoiseach until the counts were complete.
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24th May 2022, 06:56 PM	#129
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,098	Originally Posted by catsmate But there are unfilled seats..... Over here there would be no vote for Taoiseach until the counts were complete. There are indeed a few seats still unfilled, and we won't know if Labor holds a majority in the House of Reps until they are. However, we do know that Labor is forming government - no other outcome is possible at this time - and we can proceed with the business of government from there.
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24th May 2022, 07:14 PM	#130
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,429	Originally Posted by arthwollipot There are indeed a few seats still unfilled, and we won't know if Labor holds a majority in the House of Reps until they are. However, we do know that Labor is forming government - no other outcome is possible at this time - and we can proceed with the business of government from there. He received cooperation guarantees from some of the independents to allow this.

24th May 2022, 07:15 PM	#131
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,098	Oh, and the other thing is that we have Proportional Representation. If a race is close - if no-one has a clear majority, it can take quite a while to count preferences. The more rounds of counting you have to go through, the longer it takes. That's just the way it is.
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24th May 2022, 07:20 PM	#132
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,098	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon He received cooperation guarantees from some of the independents to allow this. Which helps if that is needed. Parliament isn't sitting yet. Most ministers haven't yet been named. So though Albo headed off to Japan real quick, it's not true to say that government is fully operational at this time.
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24th May 2022, 07:22 PM	#133
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,429	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Which helps if that is needed. Parliament isn't sitting yet. Most ministers haven't yet been named. So though Albo headed off to Japan real quick, it's not true to say that government is fully operational at this time. It was essential for the swearing in?

24th May 2022, 07:35 PM	#134
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 20,170	Originally Posted by catsmate But there are unfilled seats..... Over here there would be no vote for Taoiseach until the counts were complete. The Governor General chooses and swears in the Prime Minister (and the other Cabinet ministers). Unlike Ireland, he can choose any member he likes and does not need a recommendation from Parliament. It is pretty obvious that we have a Labor government (whether minority or majority is yet to be determined). Scott Morrison conceded defeat and Anthony Albanese was able to claim victory on election night so there was no impediment to having him sworn in.
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24th May 2022, 07:39 PM	#135
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,098	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon It was essential for the swearing in? Yes, without which it would have been hard to represent the country at Quad. But though the election is "settled", it isn't over.
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24th May 2022, 10:27 PM	#136
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,098	Is Barnaby on the way out? Barnaby Joyce's leadership of Nationals hangs in the balance, as deputy David Littleproud circles Quote: Barnaby Joyce's grip on the Nationals leadership could be slipping, as colleagues encourage his deputy David Littleproud to mount a challenge when the party meets in Canberra as soon as Monday. The ABC understands Mr Littleproud has not been actively canvassing his colleagues but has the support of almost half of them. Privately Mr Littleproud's backers say he is the best person to "unite the party" as the Coalition tries to rebuild itself in opposition. They have also said Mr Joyce has told them he would consider stepping aside in 18 months to make way for a new leader. Mr Joyce still enjoys strong support in the party room with former resources minister Keith Pitt publicly backing him to remain as leader, and several others telling the ABC they are "struggling" to find a reason for change. Mr Joyce told the ABC he will "definitely" nominate for the leadership, even if there is a challenge. But he stressed he was "completely at ease with the democratic process." Littleproud seems okay to me. He's good on climate change, which is refreshing. And his "biodiversity stewardship" program doesn't seem bat**** insane, which is also refreshing.
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24th May 2022, 10:41 PM	#137
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,429	He looked and sounded deflated on election night right from the start.

24th May 2022, 11:29 PM	#138
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25th May 2022, 02:45 AM	#139
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 53,479	Albo was brought up in Camperdown, a slum next door to the bigger slum I lived in, Chippendale. Interestingly when I was a young kid, and before Albo’s time, much of that working class suburb was demolished to expand Sydney Uni. So a born battler.
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25th May 2022, 08:37 AM	#140
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 28,613	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Oh, and the other thing is that we have Proportional Representation. If a race is close - if no-one has a clear majority, it can take quite a while to count preferences. The more rounds of counting you have to go through, the longer it takes. That's just the way it is. Yeah we use PR-STV with all the fun that entails. The count has been called the last blood sport. Do you have Tallymen?
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25th May 2022, 03:13 PM	#141
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 53,479	Labor only needs one more seat for an absolute majority, with four undecided. They are looking very good in Macnamara.
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25th May 2022, 04:08 PM	#142
Wildy Adelaidean Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 11,715	According to the AEC only 100 votes separate them from the Greens. If they can't keep 2nd place they won't win the seat. Brisbane still looks to be a toss up, Labor aren't going to win in Gilmore and Lyons is on a knife edge as well. I honestly see minority government as a more likely option.
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25th May 2022, 04:55 PM	#143
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,429	It’s good to see the new PM elevating political discourse in this country and ensuring his team maintain that dignity. Dutton does look like Voldemort though, doesn’t he.

25th May 2022, 05:28 PM	#144
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Photo Contest Winner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 41,967	If it's not Potato and Beetroot, it's Voldemort and Jabba the Hutt.
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25th May 2022, 05:42 PM	#145
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,098	Originally Posted by catsmate Yeah we use PR-STV with all the fun that entails. The count has been called the last blood sport. Do you have Tallymen? I'm gonna say no. Quote: A look at the tallymen, a traditional form of political calculation unique to the Irish election system.
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25th May 2022, 05:50 PM	#146
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,098	Brisbane has been conceded to the Greens.
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25th May 2022, 05:59 PM	#147
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,429	I have been listening to Albanese’s post trip interviews. It’s very refreshing to have a smart leader with sincerity and vision instead of a clever leader with agendas talking out the side of his mouth.

25th May 2022, 06:10 PM	#148
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,098	I know, right? I think the last guy who sounded this down-to-earth was Hawkie.
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25th May 2022, 06:43 PM	#149
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 53,479	Originally Posted by Wildy According to the AEC only 100 votes separate them from the Greens. If they can't keep 2nd place they won't win the seat. Brisbane still looks to be a toss up, Labor aren't going to win in Gilmore and Lyons is on a knife edge as well. I honestly see minority government as a more likely option. Well I don’t get this. Labor are leading comfortably in Macnamara and Green preferences will flow their way.
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25th May 2022, 06:46 PM	#150
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 53,479	Originally Posted by arthwollipot Brisbane has been conceded to the Greens. The tracker I’m looking at must be way behind because it’s still showing Labor second.
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25th May 2022, 07:28 PM	#151
Wildy Adelaidean Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 11,715	Originally Posted by lionking Well I don’t get this. Labor are leading comfortably in Macnamara and Green preferences will flow their way. I misread the data. You're right. Looks like it's pretty locked in. Originally Posted by lionking The tracker I’m looking at must be way behind because it’s still showing Labor second. AEC has Labor second on first preferences but enough preferences are flowing to the Greens for them to take second place. ABC is showing Lib v Green on their website.
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25th May 2022, 08:27 PM	#152
psionl0 Skeptical about skeptics Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: 31°57'S 115°57'E Posts: 20,170	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon I have been listening to Albanese’s post trip interviews. It’s very refreshing to have a smart leader with sincerity and vision instead of a clever leader with agendas talking out the side of his mouth. Yes, Albo is enjoying a terrific honeymoon.
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25th May 2022, 08:37 PM	#153
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,983	Originally Posted by arthwollipot I'm gonna say no. Hmmm, they sound like what we might call "scrutineers"? Although for Australia, scrutineers are usually party-affiliated watchdogs. In any case, the AEC staff do the counting, and this is overseen extensively by all parties and the media to ensure scrupulous fairness. Because we have all paper ballots, counting is always going to be slower than electronic tallying. And if there's a challenge, they can be recounted.
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25th May 2022, 08:45 PM	#154
Sideroxylon Featherless biped Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aporia Posts: 26,429	Originally Posted by psionl0 Yes, Albo is enjoying a terrific honeymoon. Absolutely a honeymoon and he is going to be challenged hard with stuff ups, scandals and crises that may look to have no good option. What I am seeing however is someone talking to interviewers in a genuine way about serious issues like climate change. Consider the way Morrison approached the topic in slick marketing mode lest he upset sponsors Murdoch, Koch bros, and their Coalition colleagues wanting to keep them and coal voters happy. You knew he wasn’t giving straight answers as he played the interview questions. Same with anything vaguely bordering culture war issues like the treatment of women. No, we have definitely opened all the windows up and let out the stench. It will be a test of character for not to he a weasel like Morrison when faced with the tough questions, and keep his colleagues on the straight and narrow and not protect and enable. If he ever finds himself talking like Scomo from marketing he should walk.
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25th May 2022, 10:10 PM	#155
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 53,479	Originally Posted by Sideroxylon Absolutely a honeymoon and he is going to be challenged hard with stuff ups, scandals and crises that may look to have no good option. What I am seeing however is someone talking to interviewers in a genuine way about serious issues like climate change. Consider the way Morrison approached the topic in slick marketing mode lest he upset sponsors Murdoch, Koch bros, and their Coalition colleagues wanting to keep them and coal voters happy. You knew he wasn’t giving straight answers as he played the interview questions. Same with anything vaguely bordering culture war issues like the treatment of women. No, we have definitely opened all the windows up and let out the stench. It will be a test of character for not to he a weasel like Morrison when faced with the tough questions, and keep his colleagues on the straight and narrow and not protect and enable. If he ever finds himself talking like Scomo from marketing he should walk. The thing is Also doesn't have dickheads in his Cabinet. As I have argued previously, many are at least the equal of him. Compare and contrast to the Coalition. Simon Birmingham was one of the few decent ones, but he has retired.
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