Right Wing Terrorism

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Warp12

We all know this is true, and at least one glaring example of such has already been presented in this thread. 2020 isn't that long ago.

Donald? Donald? Is that you?

"We all know the whole game is rigged.”

“I have not read the Mueller report. I won. No collusion, no obstruction. I won. Everybody knows I won.”

"In other words, I was right and everyone knows it."

“When I say it (coronavirus) was airborne, everybody knew it was airborne."

"I know it. Everybody knows it."

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But hey, this thread is about how bad conservatives are.

I'm sorry, but you appear to want the "Office of Whining and Victim Mentality". Take a right at the exit, then two doors down on the right.

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Anything else might be considered a derail. So, I am not going to debate the point with you.

How very convenient for you.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Susheel

Ah yes...the BLM bogie...

It's their standard go-to even when the data shows 93% of BLM protests were peaceful.

I guess it's the lefties that are threatening to kill FBI agents and election workers. And it's all these lefty militias strutting around with their guns strapped on that we need to fear. Not to mention the lefty white supremacists and lefty antisemites marching through town with their torches chanting "Jews will not replace us".

[smartcooky]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

It's their standard go-to even when the data shows 93% of BLM protests were peaceful.

While 100% of the MAGA stop the Steal rallies in Washington were violent!

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I guess it's the lefties that are threatening to kill FBI agents and election workers. And it's all these lefty militias strutting around with their guns strapped on that we need to fear. Not to mention the lefty white supremacists and lefty antisemites marching through town with their torches chanting "Jews will not replace us".

You do realise that there are soma large number of MAGA morons, even some on this very forum who are convinced that all those white supremacist and antisemitic protests were a false flag operasition by Antifa?

[smartcooky]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Yet another claim you fail to provide evidence for.

I suspect this is a reference to the protests a couple of years ago over the murder of George Floyd. Protests that were overwhelmingly peaceful:



https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/dem...r-summer-2020/

Among these agents who instigated the violence was a man "identified as a member of the Hells Angels linked to the Aryan Cowboys, a white supremacist prison and street gang" who " “wanted to sow discord and racial unrest”, and " on 29 May in Detroit, a number of non-residents reportedly traveled to the city to engage in violent behavior during a demonstration, leading to multiple arrests," (Ibid)

Indeed, and in fact the right wing media such as Faux News and News-Hacks overwhelmingly covered the 10% of BLM protests that turned violent, while totally ignoring (and not even covering at all) the overwhelmingly peaceful 90%. This is probably why Ziggurat and Warp 12 think the way they to... they have been force-fed GOP's preferred narrative by their "news" sources and swallowed it whole.

[Susheel]

Not just them...there is one more, otherwise intelligent poster who decided to imbibe the koolaid and now just indulges in drive-by posting knee-jerk contrarianism to slink away when called out on them. It really made me sad becaus this was an otherwise intelligent poster who contributed a great deal to critical thinking on these forums in the past. Ultimately, drinking liberal tears was more important.

[The Great Zaganza]

"Black Men are violent" is a trope that is fundamental to US policing and social policies.

Examples of the contrary cannot be allowed to be disseminated.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by smartcooky

While 100% of the MAGA stop the Steal rallies in Washington were violent!



You do realise that there are soma large number of MAGA morons, even some on this very forum who are convinced that all those white supremacist and antisemitic protests were a false flag operasition by Antifa?

Delusions and denial run deep in MAGALAND.

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Delusions and denial run deep in MAGALAND.

It's all they have left.

[TheGoldcountry]

Originally Posted by Warp12

We all know this is true, and at least one glaring example of such has already been presented in this thread. 2020 isn't that long ago. But hey, this thread is about how bad conservatives are. Anything else might be considered a derail. So, I am not going to debate the point with you.

Yeah, you really need to stop with this. It isn't working.

[smartcooky]

Originally Posted by Upchurch

#128, but yes. Zig is once again being very fast and loose with context to distort the facts he finds inconvenient.

Right out iof the The Fat Orange Turd's playbook!

[varwoche]

Originally Posted by Warp12

We all know this is true...

Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry

Yeah, you really need to stop with this. It isn't working.

It's a "debate" technique that became popular in recent years, courtesy of the former potus who regularly utters that sort of cringe-worthy nonsense.

[jimbob]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...jan-6-violence

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Document of 23 pages shows the lengths to which the far-right group goes to prepare for potentially violent encounters and exposes the militaristic structure and language it has adopted

Ed Pilkington
Ed Pilkington in New York
@edpilkington
Mon 19 Sep 2022 07.00 BST
The document is so dowdy and formal it resembles the annual minutes of a society of tax accountants. Its index lists sections on “objectives” and “rules of engagement” and carries an “addendum” that provides recommendations for hotels and parking.

On the cover, two words give a clue to the notoriety of the group that produced it: “MAGA” and “WARNING”. That and the date: 5 January 2021, the day before the US Capitol attack.

here rather than the Jan 6th report, as it's wider than just Jan 6th IMO

[Pacal]

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

From all the evidence he did he knew he lost or he is insane one of the Two there can be no doubt in that. Him winning the election would Violate the Laws of physics, the Claims were that stupid just like his Birther Claims.

Trump's speech is full of plausible deniability. A perfect example of whipping up a crowd to violence in a speech filled with plausible deniability is Mark Anthony's funeral speech in Julius Caesar.

It is obvious to me that he was whipping up the crowd into a rage. And if you want evidence that his speech was calculated plausible deniability Trump's inaction to deal with the riot / insurrection afterwards combined with continued efforts to stop the certification while this mess was going on indicate plausible deniability in abundance. Do we really have to go through all the testimony from people who say they urged Trump to do something and then say he did nothing for hours?

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Pacal

Trump's speech is full of plausible deniability. A perfect example of whipping up a crowd to violence in a speech filled with plausible deniability is Mark Anthony's funeral speech in Julius Caesar.

It is obvious to me that he was whipping up the crowd into a rage. And if you want evidence that his speech was calculated plausible deniability Trump's inaction to deal with the riot / insurrection afterwards combined with continued efforts to stop the certification while this mess was going on indicate plausible deniability in abundance. Do we really have to go through all the testimony from people who say they urged Trump to do something and then say he did nothing for hours?

Plausible deniability is Trump's strength; he knows his people will understand what he really wants, but it's just within the boundaries so he can claim he never said it.

[Stacyhs]

Warp pointed out that a post I made in the "Violence from the Left" thread is also applicable here. Thanks, Warp!

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I really don't think it's a smart idea for our resident right-wingers to start comparing the number of people deliberately murdered for political reasons by the killers' political affiliations/views. One side is going to come off looking much worse than the other according to the ADL:

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New York, NY, February 15, 2022 … Right-wing extremists were linked to at least 26 extremist-related murders in the United States in 2021 and have been responsible for 75 percent of such murders in the last ten years, according to new data from ADL (Anti-Defamation League).

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“This data underscores an indisputable fact: far-right extremists pose the greatest domestic terror threat to the United States,” said ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt.

Eleven congregants killed at attack of synagogue by right-wing exrtemist.

Twenty-three killed in El Paso, TX by right-wing extremist.

Ten killed in Buffalo supermarket attack by right-winger.

[Brainster]

Stacyhs has pointed out that we need to crosspost between the right-wing terrorism threads and the left-wing ones, so I will post this here as well:

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A community is mourning the loss of an 18-year-old man from Grace City, North Dakota, as investigators look into what led up to a deadly crash. Foster County Deputies were called to a hit-and-run that happened in an alleyway near Johnston Street and Jones Avenue in McHenry, ND.

Court documents say at 2:35 Sunday morning, 41-year-old Shannon Brandt called 911 to report that he had hit a pedestrian because he was threatening him. Brandt told State Radio that the pedestrian was part of a Republican extremist group and that he was afraid they were “coming to get him.” The pedestrian has been identified in a GoFundMe page as 18-year-old Cayler Ellingson.

After visiting the scene where the incident happened, deputies went to Brandt’s house in Glenfield, ND, which is about 12 minutes from the crash scene. Brandt admitted to consuming alcohol before the incident, and stated he hit Ellingson with his car because he had a political argument with him. Brandt also admitted to deputies that he initially left the crash scene, then returned to call 911, but left again before deputies could arrive.

Yes, left-wing terrorism but balance as Stacyhs pointed out.

[Trakar]

Originally Posted by The_Animus

Suspect Threatens FBI In Cincinnati, Trades Gunfire With Police
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/shots...a517ef67b65?wt

The first question that strikes me, is why is it that local police are confronting an assault upon a federal bldg./dept.?
I can see the PR angle, but I'm not sure it outweighs the deterrence of Federal agents defending Federal property/personnel and enforcing Federal statutes when they are under assault by foreign/domestic extremists.

Apologies, I didn't realize the extent of the thread/postings prior to responding to the OP!

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Brainster

Stacyhs has pointed out that we need to crosspost between the right-wing terrorism threads and the left-wing ones, so I will post this here as well:



Yes, left-wing terrorism but balance as Stacyhs pointed out.

If you'd bothered to read the posts on this since it was first posted a full 12 hours before yours, you'd know that it's not been determined that Brandt is a 'leftie'. His political affiliation/views have not been published. He could be a Dem, an Indie, or even a Republican who got into a drunken argument with someone who was spouting extremist views that he disagrees with. Not all Republicans are extremists. Brandt was admittedly drinking and this could have been alcohol fueled. The only reason people are assuming Brandt is a "leftie" is because he said Ellingson belong to a Republican extremist group. That doesn't necessarily mean he's a "leftie". He may be, but being from N. Dakota, it's very possible he's actually a Republican where only 18% lean Democrat.

[Brainster]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

If you'd bothered to read the posts on this since it was first posted a full 12 hours before yours, you'd know that it's not been determined that Brandt is a 'leftie'. His political affiliation/views have not been published. He could be a Dem, an Indie, or even a Republican who got into a drunken argument with someone who was spouting extremist views that he disagrees with. Not all Republicans are extremists. Brandt was admittedly drinking and this could have been alcohol fueled. The only reason people are assuming Brandt is a "leftie" is because he said Ellingson belong to a Republican extremist group. That doesn't necessarily mean he's a "leftie". He may be, but being from N. Dakota, it's very possible he's actually a Republican where only 18% lean Democrat.

Sounds very convincing to me. He might even be a Trump fan himself, right?

[Darat]

We have two separate threads, "Violence on the Left" and "Right Wing terrorism". Please double check you are posting in the correct thread for the violence you are posting about. So left to left and right to right and never the twain shall meet.

Responding to this modbox in thread will be off topic Posted By:Darat

[ZiprHead]

Did violence follow Roe decision? Yes — almost all of it against pro-choice protesters

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On Friday night, in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, a man drove his pickup truck into a group of women protesters, hitting several and driving over the ankle of one woman. Iowa journalist Lyz Lenz, who was covering the protest, noted on Twitter that the attack came at the end of a peaceful event, as demonstrators were crossing the road at a crosswalk while the man had a red light. "The truck drove around other cars in order to hit protesters," Lenz wrote, adding that the driver "was screaming" while a woman in the truck with him begged him to stop.

As Andy Campbell and Alanna Vagianos reported at HuffPost, a number of other protesters ran after the truck, trying to stop it, but the driver continued on, knocking over several people. The woman whose ankle was run over was sent to the hospital. As of Saturday, the man had not been charged with any crime.

RELATED: Amid all the gloating, anti-abortion right dreams of bigger wins — and possible violence

That same night, at a pro-choice protest in Providence, Rhode Island, an off-duty police officer named Jeann Lugo — who, until this weekend, was a Republican candidate for state Senate — punched his Democratic opponent, reproductive rights organizer Jennifer Rourke, in the face.

Providence police arrested Lugo and charged him with assault and disorderly conduct, placing him on administrative leave. On Saturday, Lugo dropped out of the Senate race and announced he would not be seeking any political office before apparently deactivating his Twitter account.

In Atlanta, photographer Matthew Pearson documented a group of more than a dozen Proud Boys coming to counterprotest a pro-choice demonstration, while an Atlanta antifascist group posted photos of the group boarding a Humvee painted with the Proud Boys' logo.

In several other states, police responded to demonstrations against the SCOTUS ruling with heavy-handed tactics and violence.

In Greenville, South Carolina, multiple videos seemed to show police arresting and dragging pro-choice protesters away, as others in the crowd screamed at them to stop. In one video, a young woman is violently shoved backward into the street, where she falls and appears to hit her head. When an older woman comes over, apparently to help her, she is also put in handcuffs and taken away.

[ZiprHead]

Sen. Mike Lee Says It’s ‘Overreach’ to Arrest Man Accused of Assaulting Elderly Planned Parenthood Escort

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SEN. MIKE LEE (R-Utah) accused the Justice Department of “overreach” after federal authorities arrested an anti-abortion protester for allegedly assaulting an elderly Planned Parenthood volunteer twice in one day.

“Just in the last few days we’ve seen some pretty glaring examples of what appear to be instances of overreach,” Lee said of the DOJ in an interview with Fox News’ Maria Bartiromo. After first mentioning a group that was federally subpoenaed regarding its lobbying for an anti-trans health care bill in Alabama, Lee spoke about an anti-abortion protester charged with assaulting a Planned Parenthood volunteer. Lee, however, conveniently didn’t bring up the alleged assault.

“You’ve got a Catholic father of seven who formed a group designed to encourage young men to be faithful to their commitments, arrested in front of his seven children just recently,” Lee said. “You’ve got all these instances of overreach. It’s deeply concerning to us all. These are all things we’re gonna be looking into.”

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The Catholic father of seven is Mark Houck, and the Department of Justice on Friday charged him with two counts of violating the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances (FACE) Act. The DOJ has accused Houck of twice assaulting a 72-year-old volunteer patient escort at the Planned Parenthood Elizabeth Blackwell Health Center in Philadelphia. According to the DOJ indictment obtained by The Daily Beast, the 47-year-old Houck “forcefully shoved B.L. to the ground” and then, in a second altercation the same day, “verbally confronted B.L. and forcefully shoved B.L. to the ground.” Houck did this “because B.L. was a volunteer escort at the reproductive health care clinic,” the indictment said. The second assault caused “injuries to B.L. that required medical attention.”

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

Sen. Mike Lee Says It’s ‘Overreach’ to Arrest Man Accused of Assaulting Elderly Planned Parenthood Escort

Lee is right. You can't even commit a crime these days without being charged with committing a crime! What is this country coming to?

[Stacyhs]

Kyle Young, who attacked Off. Fanone on Jan 6, was sentenced to 96 months in prison by Judge Berman:

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A Donald Trump fan who took his teenage son along as he assaulted Mike Fanone, then a Washington, D.C., police officer, and another officer at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, was sentenced to more than seven years in prison Tuesday.

Kyle Young, 38 — an HVAC worker from Iowa whose lawyer said he was "injected" with lies about the 2020 election and who had asked his Facebook followers to join him at the “stop the steel,” referring to the "Stop the Steal" rally on Jan. 6 — pleaded guilty in May to a felony count of assaulting, resisting or impeding officers.

Young admitted that he used a strobe light to disorient police, helped throw a large audio speaker at police, grabbed Fanone's wrist when the mob abducted Fanone and made contact with another officer abducted by the mob.

Young's 86-month sentence matched what federal prosecutors sought. They argued that Young took part in the assault at the lower west tunnel of the Capitol, where "some of the most barbaric violence" took place on Jan. 6. As discovered by online sleuths, the government argued that Young handed a Taser to Danny Rodriguez, a MAGA fanatic who used it to electroshock Fanone in the neck on Jan. 6.

[Allen773]

Originally Posted by Venom

Imagine if we pursued and publicized these incidents as much as we do foreign terrorists who threaten Americans.

That would require acknowledging the complicity of our own history and culture in producing these “America First” terrorists who attack certain groups of people precisely because they do not not see them as American.

White supremacist terrorism in the US hits too close to home.

[Suddenly]

Originally Posted by Allen773

That would require acknowledging the complicity of our own history and culture in producing these “America First” terrorists who attack certain groups of people precisely because they do not not see them as American.

White supremacist terrorism in the US hits too close to home.

There is also the thorny issue of defining terrorism. It's a useless term that muddies more than it clarifies.

It can be hard to put a finger on it, but it seems like the word "terrorism" is more a propaganda tool than a description. We use it to make the acts of war of an enemy out to be more evil than any act of war we engage in. 9/11 is terrorism. Bombing Iraqi government buildings at the onset of an invasion in order to 'Shock and Awe" was somehow not.

It often gets applied to non-state actors, which is pretty arbitrary before we then have the whole "state sponsored terrorism" concept to toss in there.

Right wing violence is criminal. At some point it ventures into making war on the state. Bringing the idea of "terrorism" into it as if fear is an essential element just muddies things because almost all violence is going to inspire fear.

[The_Animus]

Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked at their home.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/28/polit...ack/index.html

And as the midterms approach we've also seen the right with masks and guns out to intimidate voters. Plus increasing deaths threats to all election officials regardless of party when they don't fully jump on board the election conspiracy train.

[JoeMorgue]

"dOn't jUmP 2 ConCLSUION!"

[JoeMorgue]

The (as of this post unidentified) suspect was yelling "Where's Nancy?" before attacking Paul Pelosi.

On a completely unrelated note that it is so unreasonable I'm brining up Nancy Pelosi is demonized in every Republican ad currently running on my television with "So and so voted with Nancy Pelosi" a common attack in ads against Democratic candidates.

[Suddenly]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

"dOn't jUmP 2 ConCLSUION!"

Pelosi could get hit by a bolt of lightning and I'd work from the default assumption some right wing loons caused it.

[crescent]

As others have said - he was looking for Nancy Pelosi.

This was an attempted assassination of the Speaker of the House.

I'm wondering if it deserves its own thread.

Sadly, people are ginning up all sorts of false-flag conspiracies already. Pelosi's house doesn't have federal security unless she's home. The CT nutheads can't grasp that because they have made her out to be the Empress of the New World Order cabal or something like that.

[plague311]

Originally Posted by crescent

I'm wondering if it deserves its own thread.

Oops, I started a new thread. I'll leave it open because I, too, actually think it's worthy of it's own thread.

[JoeMorgue]

I mean they tried to kill her on Jan 6th as well.

I'm so angry at how little this is shocking me.

[JoeMorgue]

The assailant tried to tie up Paul and wait for Nancy to get home, per police reports.

[smartcooky]

January 6 terrorist Al Head has been sentenced by Federal Judge Amy Berman Jackson to a near maximum 90 Months in prison for his involvement in the insurrection.

https://kesq.com/news/ap-national-ne...han-7-years-2/

“The dark shadow of tyranny unfortunately has not gone away,” Jackson said. “There are people who are still disseminating the lie that the election was stolen. They’re doing it today. And the people who are stoking that anger for their own selfish purposes, they need to think about the havoc they’ve wreaked, the lives they’ve ruined.”

We are starting to see heavier sentences coming, and these last two were for people who pleaded guilty.

[TheGoldcountry]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

The (as of this post unidentified) suspect was yelling "Where's Nancy?" before attacking Paul Pelosi.

On a completely unrelated note that it is so unreasonable I'm brining up Nancy Pelosi is demonized in every Republican ad currently running on my television with "So and so voted with Nancy Pelosi" a common attack in ads against Democratic candidates.

As well as 2/3 of the House, but OMG he sided with NANCY!

[dudalb]

Civil War 2 in the USA come closer to being a reality.

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by dudalb

Civil War 2 in the USA come closer to being a reality.

You've only been predicting it for five or six years now.

[Hercules56]

Originally Posted by crescent

As others have said - he was looking for Nancy Pelosi.

This was an attempted assassination of the Speaker of the House.

I'm wondering if it deserves its own thread.

Sadly, people are ginning up all sorts of false-flag conspiracies already. Pelosi's house doesn't have federal security unless she's home. The CT nutheads can't grasp that because they have made her out to be the Empress of the New World Order cabal or something like that.

So was this MIHOP or LIHOP?

[The_Animus]

Originally Posted by dudalb

Civil War 2 in the USA come closer to being a reality.

It's already started. Civil War for the US won't be a war in the traditional sense but ongoing terrorism, guerilla attacks, etc from lone individuals and various loosely affiliated groups spurred by the violent rhetoric of their political and cultural leaders. All of this is already taking place and will slowly continue to ramp up.