The DeSantis gambit - Page 4

dudalb · 3rd March 2023, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Donal

That's what you got out of Beelzebuddy's post?

He made the statement that he thought that BIden should just ask AOC what to do and then do it in a post a few months ago.Yeah, I do judge people on the "BOdy of work" they post.

dudalb · 3rd March 2023, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

For a guy who is SO in love with the US constitution, DeSantis sure seems to dislike the First amendment.

If he was honest about his beleifs, he would have called his book "Courage to be Fascist".

What is telling is not so long ago, someone with his eye on the White House would have denounced this idea,but now De Santis de facto by his silence promotes it.

TragicMonkey · 3rd March 2023, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

For a guy who is SO in love with the US constitution, DeSantis sure seems to dislike the First amendment.

The Constitution is to politicians as the Bible is to the religious: something often invoked but not actually read.

Beelzebuddy · 3rd March 2023, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

He made the statement that he thought that BIden should just ask AOC what to do and then do it in a post a few months ago.Yeah, I do judge people on the "BOdy of work" they post.

You made me nostalgic, I remember liking that post (from a year ago; that's a long time to grind that axe) so I'm going to quote it. For context: AOC had just made the news joining an Amazon union strike where none of the established leaders of Democratic party would make eye contact when asked about it. "Florida Man" here is DeSantis, so technically it's even on topic!

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy

[On GOP fascists being from younger generations] That's the point. That's what young conservatives look like these days, because the population has shifted to the left while political ideologies have lurched to the right. Florida Man, I Can't Recall and Gaspedo are the best they can do. Where are their contemporaries on the Democrat's side? The young liberals who stand to inherit the party once the boomers finally die in their seats? DNC leadership (which to their credit typically were the people in the marches, etc) have spent a lifetime fighting down every challenge to their power, making it them or nothing, and now they're old, and it's still them or nothing.

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy

I want to follow on to this, because I'm the guy who spends most political threads saying it's no use fighting past battles, it's where we go from here that matters. It would be great to take a time machine back fifteen years and just start slapping people in the face when they make dumb decisions, but we can't. Here's how to fix this boondoggle:

Beelzebuddy's Evil Plan to Save America

Take a pen and paper.
Give them to AOC.
Do everything she says.

There's a damn good reason the GOP is pants-pissingly terrified of her. She has more media-savvy in her little finger than Hillary's entire circlejerk of a focus group did. It is an outright tragedy that she is not already considered DNC leadership. She will probably tell you to give Bernie Sanders a pen and paper. Do that too. Every ounce of effort spent infighting, marginalizing and silencing passionate voices within the party is an unforced error that the GOP will not hesitate to take advantage of.

Out of curiosity, I googled for the Amazon unionization story to see if any Democrats had even bothered to show up. Two congresscritters did. Two. Want to guess who they were? AOC and Bernie Sanders. Bernie gets a lot of crap in these threads, but he's out there doing a better job of being a Democrat than the Democrats. New York has two D Senators. Where were they? Were they too busy? Was it not worth their time? Amazon, correct me if I'm wrong, is kind of all over the US now, right? Shouldn't every Democrat be watching for similar opportunities? Like, all the time?

Aside from (but almost certainly included in) AOC's dictation, if there's news that the Democratic party sees as a good thing, they need to make damn well sure there's a statement from a Democrat saying it's a good thing in the story about it. Get the county dog catcher (D) in there to spout off about how great it is if that's what it takes. You can't sit back and expect people to find the the GOP odious enough to vote against, you've got to get out there and remind people what they're voting for.

dudalb · 3rd March 2023, 03:47 PM

And if you think that AOC and Sanders are simply wrong in some of their policies?

Beelzebuddy · 3rd March 2023, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

And if you think that AOC and Sanders are simply wrong in some of their policies?

Then maybe talk about it instead of marginalizing them altogether? There's room in the middle, you know, the irony of having to say that to a "centrist" notwithstanding. Maybe the party does need to move left, and there just might be a happy medium between a literal Republican and a radical leftist strawman?

But nah, heil AOC, Bernie fo lyfe, you can rest comfortably in Gilead knowing that you lost with dignity.

Stacyhs · 3rd March 2023, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

The Constitution is to politicians as the Bible is to the religious: something often invoked but not actually read.

Or understood.

Donal · 6th March 2023, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

And if you think that AOC and Sanders are simply wrong in some of their policies?

Treat them like you would the extreme right-wingers. Compromise and deal with them in good faith.

Parsman · 7th March 2023, 05:40 AM

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. No human being is correct 100% of the time. I think Bernie and AOC are closer to correct and to sanity than anyone in the Republican party, and a good few on the centrist wing of the Democrats, but then I do come from the communist hellhole that is Scotland in Western Europe

. I don't believe in 100% of the policies of either of these people but here they would be regarded largely as centrist moderates and not seen as any kind of threat unless you were part of the privileged or the 1%

Foster Zygote · 7th March 2023, 05:58 AM

John Oliver did a good piece on DeSantis.

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I AGREE

It highlights the fact that DeSantis is a narcissist who doesn't really give a **** about governing. He just wants power, and he knows how to perform to get it.

Stacyhs · 7th March 2023, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

John Oliver did a good piece on DeSantis.

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I AGREE

It highlights the fact that DeSantis is a narcissist who doesn't really give a **** about governing. He just wants power, and he knows how to perform to get it.

Great job by Oliver. I agree that DeSantis is a power-hungry narcissist. I see little difference between him and Trump.

dudalb · 7th March 2023, 05:17 PM

De Santis and Trump..it's like a feud between Hitler and Mussolini...best thing we can hipe for is they destory each other.

dudalb · 7th March 2023, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Great job by Oliver. I agree that DeSantis is a power-hungry narcissist. I see little difference between him and Trump.

De Santis is a bit smarter.

Stacyhs · 7th March 2023, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

De Santis and Trump..it's like a feud between Hitler and Mussolini...best thing we can hipe for is they destory each other.

Yep. The two are vying for the same position and I hope they unleash the hounds of hell on each other.

bruto · 14th March 2023, 08:33 AM

Thinking about DeSantis and his attempt to control the criticism of bloggers, and I ran across this little snippet from ancient Rome. This a letter of C. Matius to Cicero, regarding the assassination of Caesar and its aftermath.

Quote:

"You will smart for it then," they say, "since you dare to condemn what we have done." What unheard of insolence, that some men may boast of a crime, which others may not even deplore without being punished for it! Why, even slaves have always had this much freedom, that their fears, their joys, and their sorrows were subject to their own control, and not that of another; and now even those privileges they are trying to wrest from us by intimidation—that at any rate is what your "champions of liberty" are perpetually saying.

Nothing new under the sun.

Trebuchet · 14th March 2023, 11:28 AM

DeSantis went on Tucker Carlson to proclaim that protecting Ukraine is not in the USA's interest, because it's just a "border dispute".
NYT article, didn't seem to be paywalled for me. Lots of other sources available

Stacyhs · 14th March 2023, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by bruto

Thinking about DeSantis and his attempt to control the criticism of bloggers, and I ran across this little snippet from ancient Rome. This a letter of C. Matius to Cicero, regarding the assassination of Caesar and its aftermath.

Nothing new under the sun.

“Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear."

Harry S. Truman

ETA: corrected. Thanks to TheGoldCountry.

TheGoldcountry · 14th March 2023, 11:39 AM

Truman wasn't Republican. Of course, Eisenhower was, and he's certainly not the same as modern Republicans.

TheGoldcountry · 14th March 2023, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

“Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear."

Harry S. Truman, Republican...or what used to be Republican.

For some people, that's not a warning, it's a goal.

Stacyhs · 14th March 2023, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry

Truman wasn't Republican. Of course, Eisenhower was, and he's certainly not the same as modern Republicans.

OOPS! Of course...took over for FDR when he died in April 1945. My brain fart. Will correct!

bruto · 14th March 2023, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

DeSantis went on Tucker Carlson to proclaim that protecting Ukraine is not in the USA's interest, because it's just a "border dispute".
NYT article, didn't seem to be paywalled for me. Lots of other sources available

Of course every invasion can be called a border dispute, if the goal is to swallow a neighboring country. I see DeSantis is also taking issue with Zelensky's dress. How dare he dress like one of the people who are dying and being assassinated. But I'm sure the Republican party over here could send him a nice suit. They have a shipload of empty ones. Gotta pay for the red tie though.

Stacyhs · 14th March 2023, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

Of course every invasion can be called a border dispute, if the goal is to swallow a neighboring country. I see DeSantis is also taking issue with Zelensky's dress. How dare he dress like one of the people who are dying and being assassinated. But I'm sure the Republican party over here could send him a nice suit. They have a shipload of empty ones. Gotta pay for the red tie though.

And that is why you are one of my favorite posters! That, and having more common sense than 99% of the populace.

dudalb · 14th March 2023, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry

Truman wasn't Republican. Of course, Eisenhower was, and he's certainly not the same as modern Republicans.

Ike was actualy approached by both parties to run for President in 1952.

dudalb · 14th March 2023, 04:44 PM

De Santis flip flooped on the Ukraine from what he said an year ago..and I supect he will flip flop again if he thinks it would be to his advantage.
he seems to be buning his bridges to the non Maga wing of the GOP very fast.

Tero · 14th March 2023, 05:50 PM

It's not that DeSantis is different from Trump in his ideas. They just seem unoriginal and the man will be very dull. He will not attract trumpsters to DeSantis rallies.

Norman Alexander · 14th March 2023, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Tero

It's not that DeSantis is different from Trump in his ideas. They just seem unoriginal and the man will be very dull. He will not attract trumpsters to DeSantis rallies.

Who do you think the MAGAchuds would vote for?

The big, smiling and bubbly Nazi cock-sucker...

...or the scheming, conniving, rat-faced Nazi cock-sucker.

Hmmm. Who to choose...

Tero · 15th March 2023, 05:21 AM

Partly true. But the "fun" part and joining an active group of racists at a rally also guarantees a big turnout at election. Not all MAGA voters are the faithful Republicans that have been voting every election for 40-50 years.

Donal · 15th March 2023, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Who do you think the MAGAchuds would vote for?

The big, smiling and bubbly Nazi cock-sucker...

...or the scheming, conniving, rat-faced Nazi cock-sucker.

Hmmm. Who to choose...

...which one is which...?

dudalb · 15th March 2023, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Donal

...which one is which...?

Well, they both have two balls........

Trebuchet · 15th March 2023, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Well, they both have two balls........

Or maybe two between them....

Stacyhs · 15th March 2023, 06:18 PM

DeSantis and other GOP idiots are blaming the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank of "woke-ism" and "diversity":

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Conservatives are blasting their new boogeyman of wokeism after the second-largest bank collapse in US history, eschewing the more straightforward story of problematic balance sheets in favor of raw politics.

Sen. Josh Hawley complained that Silicon Valley Bank executives were spending their time on funding "woke garbage ("climate change solutions") rather than actual banking and now want a handout from taxpayers to save them."

"SVB = too woke to fail," Hawley tweeted on Monday.

To Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, the culprit was "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion." The bank website says it was building a global workforce celebrating "greater dimensions of diversity."

"This bank, they're so concerned with DEI and politics and all kinds of stuff, I think that really diverted from them focusing on their core mission," DeSantis said on Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures."

Rep. Jim Comer, head of the House Oversight and Reform Committee, blasted "Democrat inflation" and called Silicon Valley Bank "one of the most woke banks in their quest for the ESG-type policy and investing," a reference to environmental, social, and governance policies.

"This could be a trend and there are consequences for bad Democrat policy and I think we need to keep an eye on all the banking sector right now," the Kentucky Republican said, also on Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures."

The reality is that they engaged in bad banking practices. But I'm sure DeSantis, Hawley, and Comer know much more about this than economists and banking experts:

Quote:

Economists and banking experts so far have chalked up Silicon Valley Bank's failure to much more apolitical circumstances. The bank, favored by the tech class , invested much of its funds into long-term Treasury bills and mortgage bonds. This strategy slowly squeezed the bank after the Federal Reserve raised interest rates. As the bank sustained losses, venture capitalists urged depositors to pull their funds. Silicon Valley Bank then had to sell its assets at a loss to fork over cash it didn't have, an increasingly untenable chain reaction that ended only when regulators shut the institution down.

Is there anything these politicians won't try and politicize for their agenda?

That's a rhetorical question, by the way.

Trebuchet · 15th March 2023, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Is there anything these politicians won't try and politicize for their agenda?

That's a rhetorical question, by the way.

Good clarification and no, there isn't.

Stacyhs · 15th March 2023, 06:26 PM

These yahoos are just so disgustingly dishonest. But, as previously noted, that is not a bug, but a feature of today's GOP.

I wonder what our resident conservatives have to say about this kind of blatant dishonesty by these morons?

dudalb · 15th March 2023, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Or maybe two between them....

You never heard that old British Army song to the "Colonel Boogy March"(aka the main theme in "Bridge On The River Kwai")

Hitler has only got one ball
Goering has two but very small
Himmler is rather Similiar
But Goebbels has no balls at all...

dudalb · 22nd March 2023, 12:50 PM

Disney will host a Gay Rights confrerence in Disney World in FLorida.
I other words, Mickey is saying FU to De Santis. Beautiful.

The Great Zaganza · 22nd March 2023, 01:14 PM

Finally, the Mouse's lawyer will have something else to do besides hunting down IP violations.

dudalb · 22nd March 2023, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Finally, the Mouse's lawyer will have something else to do besides hunting down IP violations.

Actually, Disney has backed down on the IP issue. They only go after case where it is being used for profit , which they have every right to do. They stopped the Eisner ere harassment of schools a long time ago.

Stacyhs · 22nd March 2023, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Disney will host a Gay Rights confrerence in Disney World in FLorida.
I other words, Mickey is saying FU to De Santis. Beautiful.

Good for them. It will be interesting to see how DeSantis handles this.

Mickey should dress in drag.

marting · 22nd March 2023, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

You never heard that old British Army song to the "Colonel Boogy March"(aka the main theme in "Bridge On The River Kwai")

Hitler has only got one ball
Goering has two but very small
Himmler is rather Similiar
But Goebbels has no balls at all...

My recollection from decades ago:

Hitler has only one brass ball.
Goering has two but they are very small.
Himmler has something similar.
But poor old Goebbels, has no balls, at all.

Apparently, there are multiple variations.

dudalb · 22nd March 2023, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Good for them. It will be interesting to see how DeSantis handles this.

Mickey should dress in drag.

Let's get Chris Evans to speak. I would love to see Captain America go after De Santis.

3rd March 2023, 02:32 PM	#123
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 66,035	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander For a guy who is SO in love with the US constitution, DeSantis sure seems to dislike the First amendment. The Constitution is to politicians as the Bible is to the religious: something often invoked but not actually read.
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3rd March 2023, 03:40 PM	#124
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 9,385	Originally Posted by dudalb He made the statement that he thought that BIden should just ask AOC what to do and then do it in a post a few months ago.Yeah, I do judge people on the "BOdy of work" they post. You made me nostalgic, I remember liking that post (from a year ago; that's a long time to grind that axe) so I'm going to quote it. For context: AOC had just made the news joining an Amazon union strike where none of the established leaders of Democratic party would make eye contact when asked about it. "Florida Man" here is DeSantis, so technically it's even on topic! Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy [On GOP fascists being from younger generations] That's the point. That's what young conservatives look like these days, because the population has shifted to the left while political ideologies have lurched to the right. Florida Man, I Can't Recall and Gaspedo are the best they can do. Where are their contemporaries on the Democrat's side? The young liberals who stand to inherit the party once the boomers finally die in their seats? DNC leadership (which to their credit typically were the people in the marches, etc) have spent a lifetime fighting down every challenge to their power, making it them or nothing, and now they're old, and it's still them or nothing. Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy I want to follow on to this, because I'm the guy who spends most political threads saying it's no use fighting past battles, it's where we go from here that matters. It would be great to take a time machine back fifteen years and just start slapping people in the face when they make dumb decisions, but we can't. Here's how to fix this boondoggle: Beelzebuddy's Evil Plan to Save America Take a pen and paper. Give them to AOC. Do everything she says. There's a damn good reason the GOP is pants-pissingly terrified of her. She has more media-savvy in her little finger than Hillary's entire circlejerk of a focus group did. It is an outright tragedy that she is not already considered DNC leadership. She will probably tell you to give Bernie Sanders a pen and paper. Do that too. Every ounce of effort spent infighting, marginalizing and silencing passionate voices within the party is an unforced error that the GOP will not hesitate to take advantage of. Out of curiosity, I googled for the Amazon unionization story to see if any Democrats had even bothered to show up. Two congresscritters did. Two. Want to guess who they were? AOC and Bernie Sanders. Bernie gets a lot of crap in these threads, but he's out there doing a better job of being a Democrat than the Democrats. New York has two D Senators. Where were they? Were they too busy? Was it not worth their time? Amazon, correct me if I'm wrong, is kind of all over the US now, right? Shouldn't every Democrat be watching for similar opportunities? Like, all the time? Aside from (but almost certainly included in) AOC's dictation, if there's news that the Democratic party sees as a good thing, they need to make damn well sure there's a statement from a Democrat saying it's a good thing in the story about it. Get the county dog catcher (D) in there to spout off about how great it is if that's what it takes. You can't sit back and expect people to find the the GOP odious enough to vote against, you've got to get out there and remind people what they're voting for.
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3rd March 2023, 04:01 PM	#126
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 9,385	Originally Posted by dudalb And if you think that AOC and Sanders are simply wrong in some of their policies? Then maybe talk about it instead of marginalizing them altogether? There's room in the middle, you know, the irony of having to say that to a "centrist" notwithstanding. Maybe the party does need to move left, and there just might be a happy medium between a literal Republican and a radical leftist strawman? But nah, heil AOC, Bernie fo lyfe, you can rest comfortably in Gilead knowing that you lost with dignity.
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6th March 2023, 10:47 AM	#128
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,628	Originally Posted by dudalb And if you think that AOC and Sanders are simply wrong in some of their policies? Treat them like you would the extreme right-wingers. Compromise and deal with them in good faith.
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7th March 2023, 05:40 AM	#129
Parsman Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bonnie Scotland Posts: 947	Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. No human being is correct 100% of the time. I think Bernie and AOC are closer to correct and to sanity than anyone in the Republican party, and a good few on the centrist wing of the Democrats, but then I do come from the communist hellhole that is Scotland in Western Europe . I don't believe in 100% of the policies of either of these people but here they would be regarded largely as centrist moderates and not seen as any kind of threat unless you were part of the privileged or the 1%
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3rd March 2023, 01:56 PM	#121
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by Donal That's what you got out of Beelzebuddy's post? He made the statement that he thought that BIden should just ask AOC what to do and then do it in a post a few months ago.Yeah, I do judge people on the "BOdy of work" they post.

3rd March 2023, 02:00 PM	#122
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander For a guy who is SO in love with the US constitution, DeSantis sure seems to dislike the First amendment. If he was honest about his beleifs, he would have called his book "Courage to be Fascist". What is telling is not so long ago, someone with his eye on the White House would have denounced this idea,but now De Santis de facto by his silence promotes it.

3rd March 2023, 03:47 PM	#125
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	And if you think that AOC and Sanders are simply wrong in some of their policies?

3rd March 2023, 05:03 PM	#127
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey The Constitution is to politicians as the Bible is to the religious: something often invoked but not actually read. Or understood.

7th March 2023, 05:17 PM	#132
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	De Santis and Trump..it's like a feud between Hitler and Mussolini...best thing we can hipe for is they destory each other.

7th March 2023, 05:18 PM	#133
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Great job by Oliver. I agree that DeSantis is a power-hungry narcissist. I see little difference between him and Trump. De Santis is a bit smarter.

7th March 2023, 05:19 PM	#134
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Originally Posted by dudalb De Santis and Trump..it's like a feud between Hitler and Mussolini...best thing we can hipe for is they destory each other. Yep. The two are vying for the same position and I hope they unleash the hounds of hell on each other.

14th March 2023, 08:33 AM	#135
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 34,758	Thinking about DeSantis and his attempt to control the criticism of bloggers, and I ran across this little snippet from ancient Rome. This a letter of C. Matius to Cicero, regarding the assassination of Caesar and its aftermath. Quote: "You will smart for it then," they say, "since you dare to condemn what we have done." What unheard of insolence, that some men may boast of a crime, which others may not even deplore without being punished for it! Why, even slaves have always had this much freedom, that their fears, their joys, and their sorrows were subject to their own control, and not that of another; and now even those privileges they are trying to wrest from us by intimidation—that at any rate is what your "champions of liberty" are perpetually saying. Nothing new under the sun.
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14th March 2023, 11:28 AM	#136
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 36,535	DeSantis went on Tucker Carlson to proclaim that protecting Ukraine is not in the USA's interest, because it's just a "border dispute". NYT article, didn't seem to be paywalled for me. Lots of other sources available
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14th March 2023, 11:36 AM	#137
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Originally Posted by bruto Thinking about DeSantis and his attempt to control the criticism of bloggers, and I ran across this little snippet from ancient Rome. This a letter of C. Matius to Cicero, regarding the assassination of Caesar and its aftermath. Nothing new under the sun. “Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." Harry S. Truman ETA: corrected. Thanks to TheGoldCountry.
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14th March 2023, 11:39 AM	#138
TheGoldcountry Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 7,657	Truman wasn't Republican. Of course, Eisenhower was, and he's certainly not the same as modern Republicans.
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14th March 2023, 11:40 AM	#139
TheGoldcountry Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 7,657	Originally Posted by Stacyhs “Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear." Harry S. Truman, Republican...or what used to be Republican. For some people, that's not a warning, it's a goal.
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14th March 2023, 11:45 AM	#140
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry Truman wasn't Republican. Of course, Eisenhower was, and he's certainly not the same as modern Republicans. OOPS! Of course...took over for FDR when he died in April 1945. My brain fart. Will correct!

14th March 2023, 12:31 PM	#141
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 34,758	Originally Posted by Trebuchet DeSantis went on Tucker Carlson to proclaim that protecting Ukraine is not in the USA's interest, because it's just a "border dispute". NYT article, didn't seem to be paywalled for me. Lots of other sources available Of course every invasion can be called a border dispute, if the goal is to swallow a neighboring country. I see DeSantis is also taking issue with Zelensky's dress. How dare he dress like one of the people who are dying and being assassinated. But I'm sure the Republican party over here could send him a nice suit. They have a shipload of empty ones. Gotta pay for the red tie though.
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14th March 2023, 12:39 PM	#142
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Originally Posted by bruto Of course every invasion can be called a border dispute, if the goal is to swallow a neighboring country. I see DeSantis is also taking issue with Zelensky's dress. How dare he dress like one of the people who are dying and being assassinated. But I'm sure the Republican party over here could send him a nice suit. They have a shipload of empty ones. Gotta pay for the red tie though. And that is why you are one of my favorite posters! That, and having more common sense than 99% of the populace.

14th March 2023, 04:41 PM	#143
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry Truman wasn't Republican. Of course, Eisenhower was, and he's certainly not the same as modern Republicans. Ike was actualy approached by both parties to run for President in 1952.

14th March 2023, 04:44 PM	#144
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	De Santis flip flooped on the Ukraine from what he said an year ago..and I supect he will flip flop again if he thinks it would be to his advantage. he seems to be buning his bridges to the non Maga wing of the GOP very fast.

14th March 2023, 05:50 PM	#145
Tero Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 3,076	It's not that DeSantis is different from Trump in his ideas. They just seem unoriginal and the man will be very dull. He will not attract trumpsters to DeSantis rallies.
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14th March 2023, 08:14 PM	#146
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,982	Originally Posted by Tero It's not that DeSantis is different from Trump in his ideas. They just seem unoriginal and the man will be very dull. He will not attract trumpsters to DeSantis rallies. Who do you think the MAGAchuds would vote for? The big, smiling and bubbly Nazi cock-sucker... ...or the scheming, conniving, rat-faced Nazi cock-sucker. Hmmm. Who to choose...
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15th March 2023, 05:21 AM	#147
Tero Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 3,076	Partly true. But the "fun" part and joining an active group of racists at a rally also guarantees a big turnout at election. Not all MAGA voters are the faithful Republicans that have been voting every election for 40-50 years.
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15th March 2023, 05:44 AM	#148
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,628	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Who do you think the MAGAchuds would vote for? The big, smiling and bubbly Nazi cock-sucker... ...or the scheming, conniving, rat-faced Nazi cock-sucker. Hmmm. Who to choose... ...which one is which...?
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15th March 2023, 01:32 PM	#149
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by Donal ...which one is which...? Well, they both have two balls........

15th March 2023, 06:13 PM	#150
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 36,535	Originally Posted by dudalb Well, they both have two balls........ Or maybe two between them....
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15th March 2023, 06:18 PM	#151
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	DeSantis and other GOP idiots are blaming the collapse of Silicon Valley Bank of "woke-ism" and "diversity": Quote: Conservatives are blasting their new boogeyman of wokeism after the second-largest bank collapse in US history, eschewing the more straightforward story of problematic balance sheets in favor of raw politics. Sen. Josh Hawley complained that Silicon Valley Bank executives were spending their time on funding "woke garbage ("climate change solutions") rather than actual banking and now want a handout from taxpayers to save them." "SVB = too woke to fail," Hawley tweeted on Monday. To Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, the culprit was "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion." The bank website says it was building a global workforce celebrating "greater dimensions of diversity." "This bank, they're so concerned with DEI and politics and all kinds of stuff, I think that really diverted from them focusing on their core mission," DeSantis said on Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures." Rep. Jim Comer, head of the House Oversight and Reform Committee, blasted "Democrat inflation" and called Silicon Valley Bank "one of the most woke banks in their quest for the ESG-type policy and investing," a reference to environmental, social, and governance policies. "This could be a trend and there are consequences for bad Democrat policy and I think we need to keep an eye on all the banking sector right now," the Kentucky Republican said, also on Fox News' "Sunday Morning Futures." The reality is that they engaged in bad banking practices. But I'm sure DeSantis, Hawley, and Comer know much more about this than economists and banking experts: Quote: Economists and banking experts so far have chalked up Silicon Valley Bank's failure to much more apolitical circumstances. The bank, favored by the tech class , invested much of its funds into long-term Treasury bills and mortgage bonds. This strategy slowly squeezed the bank after the Federal Reserve raised interest rates. As the bank sustained losses, venture capitalists urged depositors to pull their funds. Silicon Valley Bank then had to sell its assets at a loss to fork over cash it didn't have, an increasingly untenable chain reaction that ended only when regulators shut the institution down. Is there anything these politicians won't try and politicize for their agenda? That's a rhetorical question, by the way.

15th March 2023, 06:22 PM	#152
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 36,535	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Is there anything these politicians won't try and politicize for their agenda? That's a rhetorical question, by the way. Good clarification and no, there isn't.
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15th March 2023, 06:26 PM	#153
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	These yahoos are just so disgustingly dishonest. But, as previously noted, that is not a bug, but a feature of today's GOP. I wonder what our resident conservatives have to say about this kind of blatant dishonesty by these morons?

15th March 2023, 07:18 PM	#154
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Or maybe two between them.... You never heard that old British Army song to the "Colonel Boogy March"(aka the main theme in "Bridge On The River Kwai") Hitler has only got one ball Goering has two but very small Himmler is rather Similiar But Goebbels has no balls at all...

22nd March 2023, 12:50 PM	#155
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Disney will host a Gay Rights confrerence in Disney World in FLorida. I other words, Mickey is saying FU to De Santis. Beautiful.

22nd March 2023, 01:14 PM	#156
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,893	Finally, the Mouse's lawyer will have something else to do besides hunting down IP violations.
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22nd March 2023, 01:27 PM	#157
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Finally, the Mouse's lawyer will have something else to do besides hunting down IP violations. Actually, Disney has backed down on the IP issue. They only go after case where it is being used for profit , which they have every right to do. They stopped the Eisner ere harassment of schools a long time ago.