The DeSantis gambit - Page 5

dudalb · 22nd March 2023, 03:59 PM

And Disney has woke controversy coming up with it's live action remake of "The Little Mermaid" where the lead..Ariel.. and the villian..Ursula... are both African American. You know the right will go crazy with that.
Which puts me in one hell of a spot since I truly despise Racsim but also despise all of these live action remakes of classic animated films. None of them have been good. Mediocre at best. Totally soulless, with none of the charm of the original.
I have to come up with aline like "I have no problem with Ariel and Ursula being Black...but a huge problem with them being live humans".

Stacyhs · 22nd March 2023, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

And Disney has woke controversy coming up with it's live action remake of "The Little Mermaid" where the lead..Ariel.. and the villian..Ursula... are both African American. You know the right will go crazy with that.
Which puts me in one hell of a spot since I truly despise Racsim but also despise all of these live action remakes of classic animated films. None of them have been good. Mediocre at best. Totally soulless, with none of the charm of the original.
I have to come up with aline like "I have no problem with Ariel and Ursula being Black...but a huge problem with them being live humans".

They'll only go crazy with Ariel being black. The villain, Ursula? Not so much.

The Atheist · 22nd March 2023, 04:50 PM

De Santis shows he's got someone behind him with some smarts - this is an excellent piece of work.

Understated, direct attacks on Trump that will play well with voters, I'm picking. I don't believe De Santis has the brains to think all that up on his own.

$4 odds on him being the next president looks like a lock to me.

dudalb · 22nd March 2023, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

De Santis shows he's got someone behind him with some smarts - this is an excellent piece of work.

Understated, direct attacks on Trump that will play well with voters, I'm picking. I don't believe De Santis has the brains to think all that up on his own.

$4 odds on him being the next president looks like a lock to me.

Have not seen the most recent GOP polls, have you?

a_unique_person · 23rd March 2023, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Have not seen the most recent GOP polls, have you?

No, you could tell me.

The Atheist · 23rd March 2023, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Have not seen the most recent GOP polls, have you?

I certainly have, and they show Trump with a healthy lead over De Santis.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ent-primary-r/

Given De Santis hasn't entered the race yet, I think he'll swing it round easily.

Tero · 23rd March 2023, 05:44 AM

I hope he does become the candidate. Technically it would free Biden from running again, but since Kamala is useless, I think Biden will run nevertheless.

BUT, it will be much less exciting an election. Almost nothing will change in congress, but Republicans may lose a few seats. No guarantee of the house. The Kevin McCarthy do nothing house will be an obvious failure.

The DeSantis presidency will not be very effective. But he will guarantee no changes in supreme court. Chipping away at minority rights, human rights.

dudalb · 23rd March 2023, 01:02 PM

I think one problem is that too many on the left have given up the fight and prefer to wallow in self pity then actually giet up and do som

Venom · 23rd March 2023, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think one problem is that too many on the left have given up the fight and prefer to wallow in self pity then actually giet up and do som

Oh I hope not.

There are days when I wish the left was as formidable and radical as Fox News claims they are.

dudalb · 23rd March 2023, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

Oh I hope not.

There are days when I wish the left was as formidable and radical as Fox News claims they are.

I think you see that here..a number of people who spedn all their time on the most negative possivle scenarious, while giving little hope for avoding them.
On times I think it is just teen age angst extended into middle age.

The Atheist · 24th March 2023, 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think you see that here..a number of people who spedn all their time on the most negative possivle scenarious, while giving little hope for avoding them.
On times I think it is just teen age angst extended into middle age.

Still preferable for the few tooled-up democrat supporters who have wet dreams of civil war.

a_unique_person · 24th March 2023, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think you see that here..a number of people who spedn all their time on the most negative possivle scenarious, while giving little hope for avoding them.
On times I think it is just teen age angst extended into middle age.

Are you the one who thinks the civil war isn't far away and it's time to tool up?

Donal · 24th March 2023, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Tero

I hope he does become the candidate. Technically it would free Biden from running again, but since Kamala is useless, I think Biden will run nevertheless.

Has Harris actually messed anything up? Or are we just going by gossip to the media when we say this? I'm not even a huge fan of hers based on her actual policies.

Quote:

BUT, it will be much less exciting an election. Almost nothing will change in congress, but Republicans may lose a few seats. No guarantee of the house. The Kevin McCarthy do nothing house will be an obvious failure.

That is probably going to to be the best thing going for the Democrats. "Look at this clown show"

Quote:

The DeSantis presidency will not be very effective. But he will guarantee no changes in supreme court. Chipping away at minority rights, human rights.

Alito retires and some 30-year-old staff attorney from the Federalist Society gets appointed.

Stacyhs · 24th March 2023, 01:17 PM

Somehow, I'm not surprised:

Ex-Florida lawmaker behind the 'Don't Say Gay' law pleads guilty to COVID relief fraud

Quote:

Joseph Harding entered a guilty plea on Tuesday in federal court in the Northern District of Florida to one count of wire fraud, one count of money laundering and one count of making false statements, according to court records.

Harding faces up to 35 years in prison, including a maximum of 20 years on the wire fraud charge. A sentencing hearing is scheduled for July 25 at the federal courthouse in Gainesville.

The former Republican lawmaker shot to notoriety last year as one of the sponsors of a controversial Florida law that outlawed the discussion of sexuality and gender in public school classrooms from kindergarten through grade 3.

Brainster · 24th March 2023, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

De Santis shows he's got someone behind him with some smarts - this is an excellent piece of work.

Understated, direct attacks on Trump that will play well with voters, I'm picking. I don't believe De Santis has the brains to think all that up on his own.

Yeah, he's a big dummy, going to Yale for his undergraduate work and Harvard Law School (who?) for his JD.

Resume · 24th March 2023, 01:58 PM

Yeah, but he doesn't think all that much about his ivy league degrees.

Quote:

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' father told The New Yorker last year that his son getting into Yale University for college was "still the thing I'm most proud of."

But DeSantis is far less fawning about his Ivy League education in his forthcoming book, "The Courage to Be Free: Florida's Blueprint for America's Revival," writing that he thought it might prevent him from getting elected to Congress in 2012. The teachings at Yale, he said, held "hostility to the Almighty and disparagement of America."

"I viewed having earned degrees from Yale and Harvard Law School to be political scarlet letters as far as a GOP primary went," DeSantis wrote in the book. "The voters valued education and probably assumed that I was a smart guy, but those 'elite' universities had become so synonymous with leftist ideology and a ruling class mentality that most grassroots conservatives were understandably skeptical of those institutions."

Or that's what he want's his dunderheaded constituency to believe.

Norman Alexander · 24th March 2023, 02:59 PM

Oh, he hated those places...

But he went there for years, all the same.

dudalb · 24th March 2023, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Oh, he hated those places...

But he went there for years, all the same.

To be fair, lot of people who went to Harvard Law hated it because it is the most demanding,gureling Law School in the US but it it also the best and every graduate of Harvard Law will have a job offer.
But that is totaly different then what De Santis si talking about.

whoanellie · 24th March 2023, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Oh, he hated those places...

But he went there for years, all the same.

Someone wrote recently in the NYT that DeSantis attended Yale and Harvard but didn't inhale.

Stacyhs · 24th March 2023, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Yeah, he's a big dummy, going to Yale for his undergraduate work and Harvard Law School (who?) for his JD.

IQ smart doesn't always equate to being smart. Plenty of 'smart' people can still be idiots; narcissism and a lust for money and power can make fools of even the 'intelligent' among us.

Gulliver Foyle · 25th March 2023, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by Donal

Has Harris actually messed anything up? Or are we just going by gossip to the media when we say this? I'm not even a huge fan of hers based on her actual policies.

That is probably going to to be the best thing going for the Democrats. "Look at this clown show"

Alito retires and some 30-year-old staff attorney from the Federalist Society gets appointed.

A one furthermore that couldn't tell you the difference between a misdemeanour and a felony offence. Or be able to explain how their crackpot legal assertions could possibly pass muster.

It's the federalist society after all.

Gulliver Foyle · 25th March 2023, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Yeah, he's a big dummy, going to Yale for his undergraduate work and Harvard Law School (who?) for his JD.

Plenty of people have graduated out of Yale and Harvard before learning how to spell their own names.

Armitage72 · 29th March 2023, 04:20 PM

The new Reedy Creek board that DeSantis expected to give him influence over Disney has been stripped of its power by Disney and the outgoing board until “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England."

Stacyhs · 29th March 2023, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

The new Reedy Creek board that DeSantis expected to give him influence over Disney has been stripped of its power by Disney and the outgoing board until “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England."

~~Paywalled~~

Odd. Second time I clicked on the link, it wasn't paywalled.

Trebuchet · 29th March 2023, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Yeah, he's a big dummy, going to Yale for his undergraduate work and Harvard Law School (who?) for his JD.

I'm reminded of Dilbert's co-worker Sven, who, according to the boss, went to Yale. According to Sven, he yust got out last veek!
On the other hand, lots of people thought it was great GW Bush went to Yale. He was a legacy. De Santis wasn't, as far as I can tell. Maybe they were doing some affirmative action for Italian Americans.

Trebuchet · 29th March 2023, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

IQ smart doesn't always equate to being smart. Plenty of 'smart' people can still be idiots; narcissism and a lust for money and power can make fools of even the 'intelligent' among us.

An example of Trebuchet's theory of The Intelligent Fool. Lots of intelligent and well-educated people believe really stupid stuff. Or at least profess to believe, in DeSantis's case.

Armitage72 · 29th March 2023, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Paywalled

Strange. It isn't for me.

Quote:

Gov. Ron DeSantis’ handpicked board overseeing Disney World’s government services is gearing up for a potential legal battle over a 30-year development agreement they say effectively renders them powerless to manage the entertainment giant’s future growth in Central Florida.

Ahead of an expected state takeover, the Walt Disney Co. quietly pushed through the pact and restrictive covenants that would tie the hands of future board members for decades, according to a legal presentation by the district’s lawyers on Wednesday.

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Among other things, a “declaration of restrictive covenants” spells out that the district is barred from using the Disney name without the corporation’s approval or “fanciful characters such as Mickey Mouse.”

That declaration is valid until “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England,” if it is deemed to violate rules against perpetuity, according to the document.

A development agreement allows Disney to build projects at the highest density and the right to sell or assign those development rights to other district landowners without the board having any say, according to the presentation by the district’s new special legal counsel.

There are also several paragraphs of DeSantis' representatives and lawyers saying that it's legally questionable and subverts the will of the voters and they're bringing in legal teams to examine it. Because Disney's attorneys are obviously of the same shoddy quality that DeSantis employs and wouldn't have gone over it with a fine tooth comb.

Stacyhs · 29th March 2023, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

Strange. It isn't for me.

Strange. I clicked on the link again, and it was fine.

Quote:

There are also several paragraphs of DeSantis' representatives and lawyers saying that it's legally questionable and subverts the will of the voters and they're bringing in legal teams to examine it. Because Disney's attorneys are obviously of the same shoddy quality that DeSantis employs and wouldn't have gone over it with a fine tooth comb.

I agree about the Disney attorneys probably being better than DeSantis'. If this hobbles DeSantis' board, so much the better.

Darat · 30th March 2023, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

The new Reedy Creek board that DeSantis expected to give him influence over Disney has been stripped of its power by Disney and the outgoing board until “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England."

Not available in the UK any other links?

The Don · 30th March 2023, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Not available in the UK any other links?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65120369

Quote:

A board picked by Florida's governor to oversee Disney's Orlando theme parks says it has been neutered by a last-minute contract with a royal clause.

Disney ran the district for over half a century until Florida legislators punished the conglomerate for slamming state laws regulating sex education.

But the new board says its authority has been bypassed by restrictive covenants that cite King Charles III.

Norman Alexander · 30th March 2023, 02:55 AM

Oh dear. Looks like this will take years, nay, DECADES! for the DeSantis team to unravel and reverse. And every step of the way, the Disney team can appeal every decision up the chain to the Supreme Court, delaying and delaying and delaying.

...Of COURSE nobody has EVER done that before!

jadebox · 30th March 2023, 03:09 AM

The mouse has balls! :-)

Mongrel · 30th March 2023, 03:19 AM

While they won't be phased by the hypocrisy of it this plan it's important to remember that the GOP have pulled this sort of trick before. An outgoing Republican majority strips power from the incoming Democrats, leaving power in their hands

Segnosaur · 30th March 2023, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

I certainly have, and they show Trump with a healthy lead over De Santis.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ent-primary-r/

Given De Santis hasn't entered the race yet, I think he'll swing it round easily.

Meatball Ron has other problems with polls:

From: Business Insider
A recent poll from YouGov and Yahoo News highlighted this dynamic and showed that as supporters of DeSantis learned more about his policies, the less willing they were to vote for him....The pollster then asked respondents about eight of the policies that DeSantis has championed as governor, but didn't note the relation to DeSantis. More respondents opposed seven of eight of DeSantis' policies than favored them
...
(policies included Covid practices, critical race theory, book bans, gun control and abortion.)
...
After inquiring about each of DeSantis' policies, the pollster told respondents that "All of the proposals from the previous question have been put forward or signed into law by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.... it appears that DeSantis supporters were less likely to vote for him after learning about his policies.

So, even if he does manage to beat trump in the primaries, the political baggage he brings from his time in Florida might harm him in the general election.

Perhaps the Republicans should look for some other potential candidate who hides his fascism a little better.

dudalb · 30th March 2023, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Strange. I clicked on the link again, and it was fine.

I agree about the Disney attorneys probably being better than DeSantis'. If this hobbles DeSantis' board, so much the better.

De Santis is about to learn why one of the rules in Hollywood is "Don't F__ with The Mouse".

kookbreaker · 30th March 2023, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

Strange. It isn't for me.

There are also several paragraphs of DeSantis' representatives and lawyers saying that it's legally questionable and subverts the will of the voters and they're bringing in legal teams to examine it. Because Disney's attorneys are obviously of the same shoddy quality that DeSantis employs and wouldn't have gone over it with a fine tooth comb.

I was watching one youtuber note that this would only be legally questionable if it were done on the quiet. But it wasn't. Everything about this was done effectively in public, but DeSantis' little patch of sycophants and goons were too busy dreaming about the money they would be grifting to notice what was happening out in the open. So the Desantis corruption squad may try to nibble at the edges but really cannot be challenged very effectively.

Norman Alexander · 30th March 2023, 12:52 PM

But Meatball Ron is a Yale-educated lawyer! He'll fix it in minutes!

dudalb · 30th March 2023, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

But Meatball Ron is a Yale-educated lawyer! He'll fix it in minutes!

The Mouse's attorneys will eat him for breakfast.

Ron was probably i the goat of his class. the ones DIsney hired edited the Law Review (in the US, to get the job of an editor for your law school's law review is about the highest honor you can get, only the best students are offred the job)..

dudalb · 30th March 2023, 01:39 PM

Just heard a good one:

The Disney legal strategy was mapped out by Matt Murdoch and She Hulk, Attorney At Law.

KDLarsen · 30th March 2023, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Meatball Ron has other problems with polls:

From: Business Insider
A recent poll from YouGov and Yahoo News highlighted this dynamic and showed that as supporters of DeSantis learned more about his policies, the less willing they were to vote for him....The pollster then asked respondents about eight of the policies that DeSantis has championed as governor, but didn't note the relation to DeSantis. More respondents opposed seven of eight of DeSantis' policies than favored them
...
(policies included Covid practices, critical race theory, book bans, gun control and abortion.)
...
After inquiring about each of DeSantis' policies, the pollster told respondents that "All of the proposals from the previous question have been put forward or signed into law by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.... it appears that DeSantis supporters were less likely to vote for him after learning about his policies.

So, even if he does manage to beat trump in the primaries, the political baggage he brings from his time in Florida might harm him in the general election.

Perhaps the Republicans should look for some other potential candidate who hides his fascism a little better.

Sadly that's par for the course in most political systems these days, with candidates and parties effectively gaslighting the voters as to what they actually intend to do.

Best summed up by the (possibly apocryphal) story of someone in the UK claiming the UK conservatives were doing a better job than Labour, because under the Tories there were more foodbanks around.

22nd March 2023, 03:59 PM	#161
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,605	And Disney has woke controversy coming up with it's live action remake of "The Little Mermaid" where the lead..Ariel.. and the villian..Ursula... are both African American. You know the right will go crazy with that. Which puts me in one hell of a spot since I truly despise Racsim but also despise all of these live action remakes of classic animated films. None of them have been good. Mediocre at best. Totally soulless, with none of the charm of the original. I have to come up with aline like "I have no problem with Ariel and Ursula being Black...but a huge problem with them being live humans".
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22nd March 2023, 04:50 PM	#163
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 33,593	De Santis shows he's got someone behind him with some smarts - this is an excellent piece of work. Understated, direct attacks on Trump that will play well with voters, I'm picking. I don't believe De Santis has the brains to think all that up on his own. $4 odds on him being the next president looks like a lock to me.
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22nd March 2023, 04:58 PM	#164
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,605	Originally Posted by The Atheist De Santis shows he's got someone behind him with some smarts - this is an excellent piece of work. Understated, direct attacks on Trump that will play well with voters, I'm picking. I don't believe De Santis has the brains to think all that up on his own. $4 odds on him being the next president looks like a lock to me. Have not seen the most recent GOP polls, have you?
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23rd March 2023, 02:32 AM	#165
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 45,249	Originally Posted by dudalb Have not seen the most recent GOP polls, have you? No, you could tell me.
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23rd March 2023, 02:39 AM	#166
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 33,593	Originally Posted by dudalb Have not seen the most recent GOP polls, have you? I certainly have, and they show Trump with a healthy lead over De Santis. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ent-primary-r/ Given De Santis hasn't entered the race yet, I think he'll swing it round easily.
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22nd March 2023, 04:28 PM	#162
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,296	Originally Posted by dudalb And Disney has woke controversy coming up with it's live action remake of "The Little Mermaid" where the lead..Ariel.. and the villian..Ursula... are both African American. You know the right will go crazy with that. Which puts me in one hell of a spot since I truly despise Racsim but also despise all of these live action remakes of classic animated films. None of them have been good. Mediocre at best. Totally soulless, with none of the charm of the original. I have to come up with aline like "I have no problem with Ariel and Ursula being Black...but a huge problem with them being live humans". They'll only go crazy with Ariel being black. The villain, Ursula? Not so much.

23rd March 2023, 05:44 AM	#167
Tero Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 3,074	I hope he does become the candidate. Technically it would free Biden from running again, but since Kamala is useless, I think Biden will run nevertheless. BUT, it will be much less exciting an election. Almost nothing will change in congress, but Republicans may lose a few seats. No guarantee of the house. The Kevin McCarthy do nothing house will be an obvious failure. The DeSantis presidency will not be very effective. But he will guarantee no changes in supreme court. Chipping away at minority rights, human rights.
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23rd March 2023, 01:02 PM	#168
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,605	I think one problem is that too many on the left have given up the fight and prefer to wallow in self pity then actually giet up and do som
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23rd March 2023, 01:44 PM	#169
Venom Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 6,135	Originally Posted by dudalb I think one problem is that too many on the left have given up the fight and prefer to wallow in self pity then actually giet up and do som Oh I hope not. There are days when I wish the left was as formidable and radical as Fox News claims they are.

23rd March 2023, 02:45 PM	#170
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,605	Originally Posted by Venom Oh I hope not. There are days when I wish the left was as formidable and radical as Fox News claims they are. I think you see that here..a number of people who spedn all their time on the most negative possivle scenarious, while giving little hope for avoding them. On times I think it is just teen age angst extended into middle age.
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24th March 2023, 01:47 AM	#171
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 33,593	Originally Posted by dudalb I think you see that here..a number of people who spedn all their time on the most negative possivle scenarious, while giving little hope for avoding them. On times I think it is just teen age angst extended into middle age. Still preferable for the few tooled-up democrat supporters who have wet dreams of civil war.
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24th March 2023, 03:50 AM	#172
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 45,249	Originally Posted by dudalb I think you see that here..a number of people who spedn all their time on the most negative possivle scenarious, while giving little hope for avoding them. On times I think it is just teen age angst extended into middle age. Are you the one who thinks the civil war isn't far away and it's time to tool up?
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24th March 2023, 05:20 AM	#173
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,628	Originally Posted by Tero I hope he does become the candidate. Technically it would free Biden from running again, but since Kamala is useless, I think Biden will run nevertheless. Has Harris actually messed anything up? Or are we just going by gossip to the media when we say this? I'm not even a huge fan of hers based on her actual policies. Quote: BUT, it will be much less exciting an election. Almost nothing will change in congress, but Republicans may lose a few seats. No guarantee of the house. The Kevin McCarthy do nothing house will be an obvious failure. That is probably going to to be the best thing going for the Democrats. "Look at this clown show" Quote: The DeSantis presidency will not be very effective. But he will guarantee no changes in supreme court. Chipping away at minority rights, human rights. Alito retires and some 30-year-old staff attorney from the Federalist Society gets appointed.
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24th March 2023, 01:17 PM	#174
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24th March 2023, 01:33 PM	#175
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 19,880	Originally Posted by The Atheist De Santis shows he's got someone behind him with some smarts - this is an excellent piece of work. Understated, direct attacks on Trump that will play well with voters, I'm picking. I don't believe De Santis has the brains to think all that up on his own. Yeah, he's a big dummy, going to Yale for his undergraduate work and Harvard Law School (who?) for his JD.
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24th March 2023, 01:58 PM	#176
Resume Troublesome Passenger Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 21,600	Yeah, but he doesn't think all that much about his ivy league degrees. Quote: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' father told The New Yorker last year that his son getting into Yale University for college was "still the thing I'm most proud of." But DeSantis is far less fawning about his Ivy League education in his forthcoming book, "The Courage to Be Free: Florida's Blueprint for America's Revival," writing that he thought it might prevent him from getting elected to Congress in 2012. The teachings at Yale, he said, held "hostility to the Almighty and disparagement of America." "I viewed having earned degrees from Yale and Harvard Law School to be political scarlet letters as far as a GOP primary went," DeSantis wrote in the book. "The voters valued education and probably assumed that I was a smart guy, but those 'elite' universities had become so synonymous with leftist ideology and a ruling class mentality that most grassroots conservatives were understandably skeptical of those institutions." Or that's what he want's his dunderheaded constituency to believe.
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24th March 2023, 02:59 PM	#177
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,963	Oh, he hated those places... But he went there for years, all the same.
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24th March 2023, 03:22 PM	#178
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,605	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Oh, he hated those places... But he went there for years, all the same. To be fair, lot of people who went to Harvard Law hated it because it is the most demanding,gureling Law School in the US but it it also the best and every graduate of Harvard Law will have a job offer. But that is totaly different then what De Santis si talking about.
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24th March 2023, 04:41 PM	#179
whoanellie Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,175	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Oh, he hated those places... But he went there for years, all the same. Someone wrote recently in the NYT that DeSantis attended Yale and Harvard but didn't inhale.

24th March 2023, 04:58 PM	#180
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,296	Originally Posted by Brainster Yeah, he's a big dummy, going to Yale for his undergraduate work and Harvard Law School (who?) for his JD. IQ smart doesn't always equate to being smart. Plenty of 'smart' people can still be idiots; narcissism and a lust for money and power can make fools of even the 'intelligent' among us.

25th March 2023, 12:38 AM	#181
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,691	Originally Posted by Donal Has Harris actually messed anything up? Or are we just going by gossip to the media when we say this? I'm not even a huge fan of hers based on her actual policies. That is probably going to to be the best thing going for the Democrats. "Look at this clown show" Alito retires and some 30-year-old staff attorney from the Federalist Society gets appointed. A one furthermore that couldn't tell you the difference between a misdemeanour and a felony offence. Or be able to explain how their crackpot legal assertions could possibly pass muster. It's the federalist society after all.

25th March 2023, 12:41 AM	#182
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,691	Originally Posted by Brainster Yeah, he's a big dummy, going to Yale for his undergraduate work and Harvard Law School (who?) for his JD. Plenty of people have graduated out of Yale and Harvard before learning how to spell their own names.

29th March 2023, 04:20 PM	#183
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,824	The new Reedy Creek board that DeSantis expected to give him influence over Disney has been stripped of its power by Disney and the outgoing board until “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England."

29th March 2023, 04:43 PM	#184
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,296	Originally Posted by Armitage72 The new Reedy Creek board that DeSantis expected to give him influence over Disney has been stripped of its power by Disney and the outgoing board until “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England." ~~Paywalled~~ Odd. Second time I clicked on the link, it wasn't paywalled.
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29th March 2023, 04:44 PM	#185
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 36,519	Originally Posted by Brainster Yeah, he's a big dummy, going to Yale for his undergraduate work and Harvard Law School (who?) for his JD. I'm reminded of Dilbert's co-worker Sven, who, according to the boss, went to Yale. According to Sven, he yust got out last veek! On the other hand, lots of people thought it was great GW Bush went to Yale. He was a legacy. De Santis wasn't, as far as I can tell. Maybe they were doing some affirmative action for Italian Americans.
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29th March 2023, 04:47 PM	#186
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 36,519	Originally Posted by Stacyhs IQ smart doesn't always equate to being smart. Plenty of 'smart' people can still be idiots; narcissism and a lust for money and power can make fools of even the 'intelligent' among us. An example of Trebuchet's theory of The Intelligent Fool. Lots of intelligent and well-educated people believe really stupid stuff. Or at least profess to believe, in DeSantis's case.
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29th March 2023, 04:49 PM	#187
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,824	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Paywalled Strange. It isn't for me. Quote: Gov. Ron DeSantis’ handpicked board overseeing Disney World’s government services is gearing up for a potential legal battle over a 30-year development agreement they say effectively renders them powerless to manage the entertainment giant’s future growth in Central Florida. Ahead of an expected state takeover, the Walt Disney Co. quietly pushed through the pact and restrictive covenants that would tie the hands of future board members for decades, according to a legal presentation by the district’s lawyers on Wednesday. Quote: Among other things, a “declaration of restrictive covenants” spells out that the district is barred from using the Disney name without the corporation’s approval or “fanciful characters such as Mickey Mouse.” That declaration is valid until “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England,” if it is deemed to violate rules against perpetuity, according to the document. A development agreement allows Disney to build projects at the highest density and the right to sell or assign those development rights to other district landowners without the board having any say, according to the presentation by the district’s new special legal counsel. There are also several paragraphs of DeSantis' representatives and lawyers saying that it's legally questionable and subverts the will of the voters and they're bringing in legal teams to examine it. Because Disney's attorneys are obviously of the same shoddy quality that DeSantis employs and wouldn't have gone over it with a fine tooth comb.

29th March 2023, 05:11 PM	#188
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,296	Originally Posted by Armitage72 Strange. It isn't for me. Strange. I clicked on the link again, and it was fine. Quote: There are also several paragraphs of DeSantis' representatives and lawyers saying that it's legally questionable and subverts the will of the voters and they're bringing in legal teams to examine it. Because Disney's attorneys are obviously of the same shoddy quality that DeSantis employs and wouldn't have gone over it with a fine tooth comb. I agree about the Disney attorneys probably being better than DeSantis'. If this hobbles DeSantis' board, so much the better.

30th March 2023, 02:43 AM	#189
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 109,587	Originally Posted by Armitage72 The new Reedy Creek board that DeSantis expected to give him influence over Disney has been stripped of its power by Disney and the outgoing board until “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England." Not available in the UK any other links?
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30th March 2023, 02:45 AM	#190
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,611	Originally Posted by Darat Not available in the UK any other links? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65120369 Quote: A board picked by Florida's governor to oversee Disney's Orlando theme parks says it has been neutered by a last-minute contract with a royal clause. Disney ran the district for over half a century until Florida legislators punished the conglomerate for slamming state laws regulating sex education. But the new board says its authority has been bypassed by restrictive covenants that cite King Charles III.

30th March 2023, 02:55 AM	#191
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,963	Oh dear. Looks like this will take years, nay, DECADES! for the DeSantis team to unravel and reverse. And every step of the way, the Disney team can appeal every decision up the chain to the Supreme Court, delaying and delaying and delaying. ...Of COURSE nobody has EVER done that before!
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30th March 2023, 03:09 AM	#192
jadebox Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,534	The mouse has balls! :-)

30th March 2023, 03:19 AM	#193
Mongrel Begging for Scraps Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK, suburbia. 20 minutes in the future Posts: 2,209	While they won't be phased by the hypocrisy of it this plan it's important to remember that the GOP have pulled this sort of trick before. An outgoing Republican majority strips power from the incoming Democrats, leaving power in their hands
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30th March 2023, 11:33 AM	#194
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,893	Originally Posted by The Atheist I certainly have, and they show Trump with a healthy lead over De Santis. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...ent-primary-r/ Given De Santis hasn't entered the race yet, I think he'll swing it round easily. Meatball Ron has other problems with polls: From: Business Insider A recent poll from YouGov and Yahoo News highlighted this dynamic and showed that as supporters of DeSantis learned more about his policies, the less willing they were to vote for him....The pollster then asked respondents about eight of the policies that DeSantis has championed as governor, but didn't note the relation to DeSantis. More respondents opposed seven of eight of DeSantis' policies than favored them ... (policies included Covid practices, critical race theory, book bans, gun control and abortion.) ... After inquiring about each of DeSantis' policies, the pollster told respondents that "All of the proposals from the previous question have been put forward or signed into law by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.... it appears that DeSantis supporters were less likely to vote for him after learning about his policies. So, even if he does manage to beat trump in the primaries, the political baggage he brings from his time in Florida might harm him in the general election. Perhaps the Republicans should look for some other potential candidate who hides his fascism a little better.
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30th March 2023, 12:08 PM	#195
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,605	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Strange. I clicked on the link again, and it was fine. I agree about the Disney attorneys probably being better than DeSantis'. If this hobbles DeSantis' board, so much the better. De Santis is about to learn why one of the rules in Hollywood is "Don't F__ with The Mouse".
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