The DeSantis gambit - Page 6

dudalb · 30th March 2023, 03:05 PM

I also suspect some of his other laws are going to be overturned in court because of first amendment issues.

dudalb · 30th March 2023, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by KDLarsen

Sadly that's par for the course in most political systems these days, with candidates and parties effectively gaslighting the voters as to what they actually intend to do.

Best summed up by the (possibly apocryphal) story of someone in the UK claiming the UK conservatives were doing a better job than Labour, because under the Tories there were more foodbanks around.

Been that way since Ancient Greece. It is one of thos problems you never will get rid of:lying politicians. Only thing is hope you have voters smart enough to see through the crap.

Norman Alexander · 30th March 2023, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I also suspect some of his other laws are going to be overturned in court because of first amendment issues.

That won't matter, because he "looked and acted tough" in public for his base. That's all they want - a new fist holding their leash.

bruto · 30th March 2023, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by KDLarsen

Sadly that's par for the course in most political systems these days, with candidates and parties effectively gaslighting the voters as to what they actually intend to do.

Best summed up by the (possibly apocryphal) story of someone in the UK claiming the UK conservatives were doing a better job than Labour, because under the Tories there were more foodbanks around.

Or by another thread here, in which it's pointed out that Russia's kidnapping of Ukrainian kids is for their own good because they're war orphans.

dudalb · 30th March 2023, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

That won't matter, because he "looked and acted tough" in public for his base. That's all they want - a new fist holding their leash.

Yeah but he is going to really turn off everybody outside his base.
Florida is already a laughing stock because of the Micheangelo statue; it will just get worse.
IMHO the mover and shakes in the GOP are going to be looking for another Stop Trump canidate as a backup.

Donal · 31st March 2023, 06:38 AM

The problem is, the Democrats have to respond to these attacks, even if they get shot down in the courts. Then, the Republicans turn around and say "look at how the Democrats are all worried about identity politics and teaching your kids about transgenders and CRT instead of dealing with real kitchen table issues! How is this going to deal with inflation!"

JoeMorgue · 31st March 2023, 06:43 AM

Yeah that's what happens when you manage to split your base equally between hardcore psychopaths who actually believe in the hate they are spewing AND edgy little nihilstic trolls who don't really care about it one way or another but love watching things burns.

If we lose we lose, if we win we still lose.

Hercules56 · 31st March 2023, 06:46 AM

DeSantis is toast. Only hope for him now is VP slot.

Donal · 31st March 2023, 07:00 AM

It's still very early and a lot can change over the next year. However, I have been saying for a while now I got big Scott Walker type energy from Meatball Ron.

Trebuchet · 31st March 2023, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

DeSantis is toast. Only hope for him now is VP slot.

Except he's from the same state as Trump. Electors are constitutionally barred from voting for both Pres and Veep from their own state.

Hercules56 · 31st March 2023, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Except he's from the same state as Trump. Electors are constitutionally barred from voting for both Pres and Veep from their own state.

Never read that in the Constitution. Which Article?

Ranb · 31st March 2023, 09:26 AM

https://www.archives.gov/founding-do...ion-transcript

Quote:

Article. II.
Section. 1.
...

The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves.

Ranb

Trebuchet · 31st March 2023, 10:30 AM

Not that the Constitution matters to Trumpers, of course.
This provision is why Dick Cheney, a resident of Texas, had to get a PO box in Wyoming in 2000.

catsmate · 2nd April 2023, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by jadebox

The mouse has balls! :-)

And lawyers, lots of lawyers. Well it'll give them something useful to do.

catsmate · 2nd April 2023, 02:21 AM

In related news, the continued Republican censorship programme was attacked James Patterson. JP is not happy.
https://eu.tcpalm.com/story/news/202...y/70009140007/
Unsurprisingly one resident, Julie Marshall, has filed most of the challenges to the Martin County School District's book titles; she indicated on her form that she has not "read or viewed" the "Maximum Ride" series.

Ah, the land of freedom....

The Don · 2nd April 2023, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

In related news, the continued Republican censorship programme was attacked James Patterson. JP is not happy.
https://eu.tcpalm.com/story/news/202...y/70009140007/
Unsurprisingly one resident, Julie Marshall, has filed most of the challenges to the Martin County School District's book titles; she indicated on her form that she has not "read or viewed" the "Maximum Ride" series.

Ah, the land of freedom....

Once again the "party of personal responsibility" takes away responsibility from parents to decide what their children can read in school libraries and assumes that responsibility themselves.

Small government strikes again.

KDLarsen · 2nd April 2023, 06:43 AM

Re: the Maximum Ride story, is it just me or does it reads as if she based her challenge on the opinion that a Young Adult series doesn't belong in an elementary school library?

bruto · 2nd April 2023, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Once again the "party of personal responsibility" takes away responsibility from parents to decide what their children can read in school libraries and assumes that responsibility themselves.

Small government strikes again.

Sort of, but worse. They have delegated the choice for all to the least qualified persons, abrogating their own responsibility. They give the choice to people like Julie Marshall, who is proud of her ignorance, and call it freedom.

Conservatives are good at this, raging utilitarian statists when they have the power, ready to accept the hardship of minorities, the death of mothers, the slaughter of school children, and the ignorance of all in favor of their leaders' faith, and down-home egalitarian libertarians when democracy rears its ugly head.

The ideal Conservative Bible has the pages of Song of Solomon glued together, but the acts of Pontius Pilate are printed in red.

Stacyhs · 2nd April 2023, 12:17 PM

Extremists are gonna extreme. The more they take, the more they want to take. It's just in their nature. They're the scorpion in the scorpion and frog parable.

quadraginta · 2nd April 2023, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

In related news, the continued Republican censorship programme was attacked James Patterson. JP is not happy.
https://eu.tcpalm.com/story/news/202...y/70009140007/
Unsurprisingly one resident, Julie Marshall, has filed most of the challenges to the Martin County School District's book titles; she indicated on her form that she has not "read or viewed" the "Maximum Ride" series.

Ah, the land of freedom....

The list of removed books in that article makes a very convenient list of suggested reading for parents whose minds are not filled with conservative wing-nut feces.

It may even be working toward that end. I looked up Sarah J. Maas, A Court of Thorns and Roses (the first book in a six book series which received the condemnation of the Martin County censors) in both of the libraries I subscribed to. One had twenty four copies of the ebook, all of which were being used. The other, something of a consortium of NC libraries pooling their ebooks, had twenty eight copies. All of which were also currently being used.

One thing I have found to be true to a great extent is that kids who are too young to read a particular book are also generally too young to be interested in reading it. I see no good reason to penalize those students who are progressing in maturity beyond their classmates, and every reason to encourage them.

And there is very little if anything which is going to lead them astray in any of those books. Most of them do the opposite, and tend to be morality tales of a sort. Especially the works of fiction.

Stacyhs · 2nd April 2023, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

The list of removed books in that article makes a very convenient list of suggested reading for parents whose minds are not filled with conservative wing-nut feces.

It may even be working toward that end. I looked up Sarah J. Maas, A Court of Thorns and Roses (the first book in a six book series which received the condemnation of the Martin County censors) in both of the libraries I subscribed to. One had twenty four copies of the ebook, all of which were being used. The other, something of a consortium of NC libraries pooling their ebooks, had twenty eight copies. All of which were also currently being used.

One thing I have found to be true to a great extent is that kids who are too young to read a particular book are also generally too young to be interested in reading it. I see no good reason to penalize those students who are progressing in maturity beyond their classmates, and every reason to encourage them.

And there is very little if anything which is going to lead them astray in any of those books. Most of them do the opposite, and tend to be morality tales of a sort. Especially the works of fiction.

I agree.

dudalb · 3rd April 2023, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

Once again the "party of personal responsibility" takes away responsibility from parents to decide what their children can read in school libraries and assumes that responsibility themselves.

Small government strikes again.

FOr the record here in Califoirnia I know a couple o people who have quit the GOP precisley because it is so hypocrtical on the issue of small government and Joined the LP .

dudalb · 3rd April 2023, 05:17 PM

It's on . Baby; Iger gives De Santis hell at Disney Shareholders Meeting:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/othe...ny/ar-AA19qVu5

Stacyhs · 3rd April 2023, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

It's on . Baby; Iger gives De Santis hell at Disney Shareholders Meeting:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/othe...ny/ar-AA19qVu5

Schadenfreude out the whazoo!

dudalb · 3rd April 2023, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Schadenfreude out the whazoo!

You just don't mess with the Mouse. Well know rule in Hollywood.

Norman Alexander · 3rd April 2023, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

It's on . Baby; Iger gives De Santis hell at Disney Shareholders Meeting:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/othe...ny/ar-AA19qVu5

DeSantis got mad and is going to "see them in court" to try to stop them. Which means The Mouse will be at least a couple of steps ahead of him in making his life a misery.

Yep, from the days of Walt, you do not **** with The Mouse.

Stacyhs · 3rd April 2023, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

DeSantis got mad and is going to "see them in court" to try to stop them. Which means The Mouse will be at least a couple of steps ahead of him in making his life a misery.

Yep, from the days of Walt, you do not **** with The Mouse.

SMACK DOWN!

Donal · 4th April 2023, 05:28 AM

Prediction: Ron DeSantis will ally himself with the Church of Scientology, the only force as powerful in Hollywood as Disney. They already have a large presence in Florida.

Ziggurat · 4th April 2023, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

You just don't mess with the Mouse. Well know rule in Hollywood.

I wouldn't assume that Disney has the upper hand here. On paper, there is no legal conflict between Disney and Florida, only between the Reedy Creek Improvement District and Florida. RCID is legally supposed to be independent of Disney. If that turns out not to be the case, and Iger appears to have just admitted that it's not, that's a major problem for Disney.

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I AGREE

dudalb · 4th April 2023, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Donal

Prediction: Ron DeSantis will ally himself with the Church of Scientology, the only force as powerful in Hollywood as Disney. They already have a large presence in Florida.

ANother mistake: THE CO$ is not nearly as powerful as it once was in Tinseltown.

dudalb · 4th April 2023, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

I wouldn't assume that Disney has the upper hand here. On paper, there is no legal conflict between Disney and Florida, only between the Reedy Creek Improvement District and Florida. RCID is legally supposed to be independent of Disney. If that turns out not to be the case, and Iger appears to have just admitted that it's not, that's a major problem for Disney.

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I AGREE

OF course you support Meatball Mussolini.

Ziggurat · 4th April 2023, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

OF course you support Meatball Mussolini.

Do you not have anything to say about my post on its merits? Or is this really the best you can do?

And while I'm sure calling people names brings you comfort, I have yet to hear anyone explain why it is that Disney should be entitled to special tax status and self-governance that no one else in Florida enjoys. The RCID should have been abolished decades ago, simply from a fairness perspective. Is your hatred for DeSantis really so deep that you think corporate fat cats should get special treatment just to spite him?

Norman Alexander · 4th April 2023, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Do you not have anything to say about my post on its merits? Or is this really the best you can do?

And while I'm sure calling people names brings you comfort, I have yet to hear anyone explain why it is that Disney should be entitled to special tax status and self-governance that no one else in Florida enjoys. The RCID should have been abolished decades ago, simply from a fairness perspective. Is your hatred for DeSantis really so deep that you think corporate fat cats should get special treatment just to spite him?

Do you think DeSantis is taking these actions because of fairness? Since he has installed a new board to do exactly the same things as Disney was doing for the RCID, it looks much more like a turf war.

If it were about fairness (to the populace?), DeSantis should have simply disbanded (dissolved? eradicated?) the RCID entirely. Revert Disneyworld and all the surrounding areas to be under the local governance the same as every other non-RCID property in that area.

But no. He wants that cash-cow for himself. It's a takeover.

Stacyhs · 4th April 2023, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

I wouldn't assume that Disney has the upper hand here. On paper, there is no legal conflict between Disney and Florida, only between the Reedy Creek Improvement District and Florida. RCID is legally supposed to be independent of Disney. If that turns out not to be the case, and Iger appears to have just admitted that it's not, that's a major problem for Disney.

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the ISF. The ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

Your video is some guy who uses a pseudonym; Andrew Esquire. I did a bit of googling on him and he appears to be a real lawyer according to one person in a video, but there's virtually nothing else on him. Whether what he's saying is accurate or not, I can't say. But I do know that Disney lawyers are some of the best and I can't see them not knowing if "RCID is legally supposed to be independent of Disney."

According to the Tallahassee Democrat:

Quote:

The Reedy Creek Improvement District was created in the 1960s through a special act by the Florida Legislature.

At the time it was created, neither Orange nor Osceola counties had the services to provide power and water to the remote 25,000-acre property where the Walt Disney World Co. proposed building a recreational development.

In 1967, the Florida Legislature, working with Walt Disney World Co., created a special taxing district — called the Reedy Creek Improvement District — that would act with the same authority and responsibility as a county government, according to district's website.

Quote:

How does the Reedy Creek Improvement District work?

The district, through legislation from the 1960s, allows Disney to govern its own properties and levy extra taxes on top of what local governments charge. Those taxes pay for a variety of services on Disney properties.

The Reedy Creek district is led by a five-member board who are essentially hand-picked by the Walt Disney Co. DeSantis would get to appoint the board, under the legislation he envisions.

I'll take Andrew Esquire's video with a grain of salt.

Ziggurat · 4th April 2023, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Your video is some guy who uses a pseudonym; Andrew Esquire. I did a bit of googling on him and he appears to be a real lawyer according to one person in a video, but there's virtually nothing else on him. Whether what he's saying is accurate or not, I can't say. But I do know that Disney lawyers are some of the best and I can't see them not knowing if "RCID is legally supposed to be independent of Disney."

I'm sure they do know. But they also didn't have a chance to screen Iger's live responses to shareholders. And I think it would be quite easy for Iger to say something he shouldn't have because he didn't consider all the legal implications. AFAIK Iger isn't a lawyer. Nothing about this requires the lawyers to be bad at their jobs.

Quote:

According to the Tallahassee Democrat:

What part of that do you think contradicts my link?

quadraginta · 4th April 2023, 07:09 PM

Has Disney done a bad job with its stewardship of the RCID? Have they looted the tax base, abused the residents?

Would the district have been better off without Disney's involvement?

Stacyhs · 4th April 2023, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

I'm sure they do know. But they also didn't have a chance to screen Iger's live responses to shareholders. And I think it would be quite easy for Iger to say something he shouldn't have because he didn't consider all the legal implications. AFAIK Iger isn't a lawyer. Nothing about this requires the lawyers to be bad at their jobs.

What Iger says doesn't matter if it's not backed up by legal facts. As you said, he's not a laywer.

Quote:

What part of that do you think contradicts my link?

What part of it supports your link?

Ziggurat · 4th April 2023, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Do you think DeSantis is taking these actions because of fairness?

I don't give a **** about his motives. I care about whether it IS fair. I think it is.

Ziggurat · 4th April 2023, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

What Iger says doesn't matter if it's not backed up by legal facts. As you said, he's not a laywer.

He's the CEO of Disney. What he says Disney is doing IS legally relevant to any analysis of what Disney is doing. And Iger isn't legally free to lie to shareholders either.

Quote:

What part of it supports your link?

That's an irrelevant standard. It doesn't need to. And do you think an article written by a journalist is supposed to represent authoritative legal analysis? That makes no sense.

Tero · 4th April 2023, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

DeSantis is toast. Only hope for him now is VP slot.

With whom? Trump does not want him and nobody else popping up as candidate would either.

He may have another term in Florida, they can keep him. Suitable for them.

30th March 2023, 03:38 PM	#203
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30th March 2023, 06:46 PM	#204
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 34,758	Originally Posted by KDLarsen Sadly that's par for the course in most political systems these days, with candidates and parties effectively gaslighting the voters as to what they actually intend to do. Best summed up by the (possibly apocryphal) story of someone in the UK claiming the UK conservatives were doing a better job than Labour, because under the Tories there were more foodbanks around. Or by another thread here, in which it's pointed out that Russia's kidnapping of Ukrainian kids is for their own good because they're war orphans.
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31st March 2023, 06:38 AM	#206
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,628	The problem is, the Democrats have to respond to these attacks, even if they get shot down in the courts. Then, the Republicans turn around and say "look at how the Democrats are all worried about identity politics and teaching your kids about transgenders and CRT instead of dealing with real kitchen table issues! How is this going to deal with inflation!"
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31st March 2023, 06:43 AM	#207
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 44,114	Yeah that's what happens when you manage to split your base equally between hardcore psychopaths who actually believe in the hate they are spewing AND edgy little nihilstic trolls who don't really care about it one way or another but love watching things burns. If we lose we lose, if we win we still lose.
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31st March 2023, 06:46 AM	#208
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4,685	DeSantis is toast. Only hope for him now is VP slot.
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30th March 2023, 03:05 PM	#201
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	I also suspect some of his other laws are going to be overturned in court because of first amendment issues.

30th March 2023, 03:07 PM	#202
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by KDLarsen Sadly that's par for the course in most political systems these days, with candidates and parties effectively gaslighting the voters as to what they actually intend to do. Best summed up by the (possibly apocryphal) story of someone in the UK claiming the UK conservatives were doing a better job than Labour, because under the Tories there were more foodbanks around. Been that way since Ancient Greece. It is one of thos problems you never will get rid of:lying politicians. Only thing is hope you have voters smart enough to see through the crap.

30th March 2023, 07:07 PM	#205
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander That won't matter, because he "looked and acted tough" in public for his base. That's all they want - a new fist holding their leash. Yeah but he is going to really turn off everybody outside his base. Florida is already a laughing stock because of the Micheangelo statue; it will just get worse. IMHO the mover and shakes in the GOP are going to be looking for another Stop Trump canidate as a backup.

31st March 2023, 07:00 AM	#209
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,628	It's still very early and a lot can change over the next year. However, I have been saying for a while now I got big Scott Walker type energy from Meatball Ron.
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31st March 2023, 08:57 AM	#210
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 36,535	Originally Posted by Hercules56 DeSantis is toast. Only hope for him now is VP slot. Except he's from the same state as Trump. Electors are constitutionally barred from voting for both Pres and Veep from their own state.
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31st March 2023, 09:03 AM	#211
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4,685	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Except he's from the same state as Trump. Electors are constitutionally barred from voting for both Pres and Veep from their own state. Never read that in the Constitution. Which Article?
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31st March 2023, 09:26 AM	#212
Ranb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: WA USA Posts: 10,722	https://www.archives.gov/founding-do...ion-transcript Quote: Article. II. Section. 1. ... The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. Ranb

31st March 2023, 10:30 AM	#213
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 36,535	Not that the Constitution matters to Trumpers, of course. This provision is why Dick Cheney, a resident of Texas, had to get a PO box in Wyoming in 2000.
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2nd April 2023, 02:15 AM	#214
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 28,613	Originally Posted by jadebox The mouse has balls! :-) And lawyers, lots of lawyers. Well it'll give them something useful to do.
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2nd April 2023, 02:21 AM	#215
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 28,613	In related news, the continued Republican censorship programme was attacked James Patterson. JP is not happy. https://eu.tcpalm.com/story/news/202...y/70009140007/ Unsurprisingly one resident, Julie Marshall, has filed most of the challenges to the Martin County School District's book titles; she indicated on her form that she has not "read or viewed" the "Maximum Ride" series. Ah, the land of freedom....
	__________________ As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.

2nd April 2023, 05:24 AM	#216
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,615	Originally Posted by catsmate In related news, the continued Republican censorship programme was attacked James Patterson. JP is not happy. https://eu.tcpalm.com/story/news/202...y/70009140007/ Unsurprisingly one resident, Julie Marshall, has filed most of the challenges to the Martin County School District's book titles; she indicated on her form that she has not "read or viewed" the "Maximum Ride" series. Ah, the land of freedom.... Once again the "party of personal responsibility" takes away responsibility from parents to decide what their children can read in school libraries and assumes that responsibility themselves. Small government strikes again.

2nd April 2023, 06:43 AM	#217
KDLarsen Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 4,879	Re: the Maximum Ride story, is it just me or does it reads as if she based her challenge on the opinion that a Young Adult series doesn't belong in an elementary school library?
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2nd April 2023, 07:05 AM	#218
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 34,758	Originally Posted by The Don Once again the "party of personal responsibility" takes away responsibility from parents to decide what their children can read in school libraries and assumes that responsibility themselves. Small government strikes again. Sort of, but worse. They have delegated the choice for all to the least qualified persons, abrogating their own responsibility. They give the choice to people like Julie Marshall, who is proud of her ignorance, and call it freedom. Conservatives are good at this, raging utilitarian statists when they have the power, ready to accept the hardship of minorities, the death of mothers, the slaughter of school children, and the ignorance of all in favor of their leaders' faith, and down-home egalitarian libertarians when democracy rears its ugly head. The ideal Conservative Bible has the pages of Song of Solomon glued together, but the acts of Pontius Pilate are printed in red.
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2nd April 2023, 12:17 PM	#219
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Extremists are gonna extreme. The more they take, the more they want to take. It's just in their nature. They're the scorpion in the scorpion and frog parable.

2nd April 2023, 02:07 PM	#220
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,866	Originally Posted by catsmate In related news, the continued Republican censorship programme was attacked James Patterson. JP is not happy. https://eu.tcpalm.com/story/news/202...y/70009140007/ Unsurprisingly one resident, Julie Marshall, has filed most of the challenges to the Martin County School District's book titles; she indicated on her form that she has not "read or viewed" the "Maximum Ride" series. Ah, the land of freedom.... The list of removed books in that article makes a very convenient list of suggested reading for parents whose minds are not filled with conservative wing-nut feces. It may even be working toward that end. I looked up Sarah J. Maas, A Court of Thorns and Roses (the first book in a six book series which received the condemnation of the Martin County censors) in both of the libraries I subscribed to. One had twenty four copies of the ebook, all of which were being used. The other, something of a consortium of NC libraries pooling their ebooks, had twenty eight copies. All of which were also currently being used. One thing I have found to be true to a great extent is that kids who are too young to read a particular book are also generally too young to be interested in reading it. I see no good reason to penalize those students who are progressing in maturity beyond their classmates, and every reason to encourage them. And there is very little if anything which is going to lead them astray in any of those books. Most of them do the opposite, and tend to be morality tales of a sort. Especially the works of fiction.
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2nd April 2023, 06:55 PM	#221
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Originally Posted by quadraginta The list of removed books in that article makes a very convenient list of suggested reading for parents whose minds are not filled with conservative wing-nut feces. It may even be working toward that end. I looked up Sarah J. Maas, A Court of Thorns and Roses (the first book in a six book series which received the condemnation of the Martin County censors) in both of the libraries I subscribed to. One had twenty four copies of the ebook, all of which were being used. The other, something of a consortium of NC libraries pooling their ebooks, had twenty eight copies. All of which were also currently being used. One thing I have found to be true to a great extent is that kids who are too young to read a particular book are also generally too young to be interested in reading it. I see no good reason to penalize those students who are progressing in maturity beyond their classmates, and every reason to encourage them. And there is very little if anything which is going to lead them astray in any of those books. Most of them do the opposite, and tend to be morality tales of a sort. Especially the works of fiction. I agree.

3rd April 2023, 02:38 PM	#222
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by The Don Once again the "party of personal responsibility" takes away responsibility from parents to decide what their children can read in school libraries and assumes that responsibility themselves. Small government strikes again. FOr the record here in Califoirnia I know a couple o people who have quit the GOP precisley because it is so hypocrtical on the issue of small government and Joined the LP .

3rd April 2023, 05:17 PM	#223
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	It's on . Baby; Iger gives De Santis hell at Disney Shareholders Meeting: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/othe...ny/ar-AA19qVu5

3rd April 2023, 05:27 PM	#224
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Originally Posted by dudalb It's on . Baby; Iger gives De Santis hell at Disney Shareholders Meeting: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/othe...ny/ar-AA19qVu5 Schadenfreude out the whazoo!

3rd April 2023, 05:48 PM	#225
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Schadenfreude out the whazoo! You just don't mess with the Mouse. Well know rule in Hollywood.

3rd April 2023, 08:59 PM	#226
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,982	Originally Posted by dudalb It's on . Baby; Iger gives De Santis hell at Disney Shareholders Meeting: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/othe...ny/ar-AA19qVu5 DeSantis got mad and is going to "see them in court" to try to stop them. Which means The Mouse will be at least a couple of steps ahead of him in making his life a misery. Yep, from the days of Walt, you do not **** with The Mouse.
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3rd April 2023, 10:57 PM	#227
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander DeSantis got mad and is going to "see them in court" to try to stop them. Which means The Mouse will be at least a couple of steps ahead of him in making his life a misery. Yep, from the days of Walt, you do not **** with The Mouse. SMACK DOWN!

4th April 2023, 05:28 AM	#228
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,628	Prediction: Ron DeSantis will ally himself with the Church of Scientology, the only force as powerful in Hollywood as Disney. They already have a large presence in Florida.
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4th April 2023, 02:47 PM	#230
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by Donal Prediction: Ron DeSantis will ally himself with the Church of Scientology, the only force as powerful in Hollywood as Disney. They already have a large presence in Florida. ANother mistake: THE CO$ is not nearly as powerful as it once was in Tinseltown.

4th April 2023, 02:59 PM	#232
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 53,917	Originally Posted by dudalb OF course you support Meatball Mussolini. Do you not have anything to say about my post on its merits? Or is this really the best you can do? And while I'm sure calling people names brings you comfort, I have yet to hear anyone explain why it is that Disney should be entitled to special tax status and self-governance that no one else in Florida enjoys. The RCID should have been abolished decades ago, simply from a fairness perspective. Is your hatred for DeSantis really so deep that you think corporate fat cats should get special treatment just to spite him?
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4th April 2023, 05:25 PM	#233
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,982	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Do you not have anything to say about my post on its merits? Or is this really the best you can do? And while I'm sure calling people names brings you comfort, I have yet to hear anyone explain why it is that Disney should be entitled to special tax status and self-governance that no one else in Florida enjoys. The RCID should have been abolished decades ago, simply from a fairness perspective. Is your hatred for DeSantis really so deep that you think corporate fat cats should get special treatment just to spite him? Do you think DeSantis is taking these actions because of fairness? Since he has installed a new board to do exactly the same things as Disney was doing for the RCID, it looks much more like a turf war. If it were about fairness (to the populace?), DeSantis should have simply disbanded (dissolved? eradicated?) the RCID entirely. Revert Disneyworld and all the surrounding areas to be under the local governance the same as every other non-RCID property in that area. But no. He wants that cash-cow for himself. It's a takeover.
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4th April 2023, 07:04 PM	#235
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 53,917	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Your video is some guy who uses a pseudonym; Andrew Esquire. I did a bit of googling on him and he appears to be a real lawyer according to one person in a video, but there's virtually nothing else on him. Whether what he's saying is accurate or not, I can't say. But I do know that Disney lawyers are some of the best and I can't see them not knowing if "RCID is legally supposed to be independent of Disney." I'm sure they do know. But they also didn't have a chance to screen Iger's live responses to shareholders. And I think it would be quite easy for Iger to say something he shouldn't have because he didn't consider all the legal implications. AFAIK Iger isn't a lawyer. Nothing about this requires the lawyers to be bad at their jobs. Quote: According to the Tallahassee Democrat: What part of that do you think contradicts my link?
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4th April 2023, 07:09 PM	#236
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,866	Has Disney done a bad job with its stewardship of the RCID? Have they looted the tax base, abused the residents? Would the district have been better off without Disney's involvement?
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4th April 2023, 07:11 PM	#237
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Originally Posted by Ziggurat I'm sure they do know. But they also didn't have a chance to screen Iger's live responses to shareholders. And I think it would be quite easy for Iger to say something he shouldn't have because he didn't consider all the legal implications. AFAIK Iger isn't a lawyer. Nothing about this requires the lawyers to be bad at their jobs. What Iger says doesn't matter if it's not backed up by legal facts. As you said, he's not a laywer. Quote: What part of that do you think contradicts my link? What part of it supports your link?

4th April 2023, 07:13 PM	#238
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 53,917	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Do you think DeSantis is taking these actions because of fairness? I don't give a **** about his motives. I care about whether it IS fair. I think it is.
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