The DeSantis gambit - Page 8

quadraginta · 9th April 2023, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by lomiller

[snip]

FWIW DeSantis wanting government to run the improvement zone and be the provider of services to Disney is Socialist in nature, and Socialist in the worst way. The problem with government directly providing goods and services is that government failures can often make the services less efficient. In most cases this is accidental, but lets face it, providing more expensive less efficient services to Disney is the whole point.

Disney can afford it. If they cover the additional costs by raising their prices it probably won't hurt their custom all that much. And they've got the bankroll to do it very slowly so it isn't as noticeable.

Thing is, they aren't the only ones in the district, and everyone else may not have the same advantages.

It is likely that most of the ones to feel the pain will be people and businesses other than Disney. DeSantis constituents, IOW.

Not that he would care about that.

Norman Alexander · 9th April 2023, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by lomiller

The core concept of Socialism is social ownership rather than private ownership of the means of production. A member run co-op would be socialist, so would a government run factory. Funding social services on the other hand isn't Socialist unless the government provides the service directly rather than paying a private company to do it.

Social security isn't really a service, Medicare doesn't provide medical services directly so neither of these is truly socialist in nature. Police and military services, on the other hand are provided directly by the government instead of being contracted out to private mercenaries, so i think you could make a case for them being Socialist.

FWIW DeSantis wanting government to run the improvement zone and be the provider of services to Disney is Socialist in nature, and Socialist in the worst way. The problem with government directly providing goods and services is that government failures can often make the services less efficient. In most cases this is accidental, but lets face it, providing more expensive less efficient services to Disney is the whole point.

I know you know there's a little more to "socialism" than just production. There is also distribution and exchange, and arguably mutual defence.

From Simple Wikipedia, examples relevant to RCID and DeSantis:

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What is socialism examples?
Public infrastructure—bridges, roads, electricity, water and sewer systems, and other government infrastructure—is considered socialist. It is usually owned and operated by the government and paid for by a mix of taxation and user fees.

Trebuchet · 9th April 2023, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

We have it on very good authority* that lie detector tests are too unreliable, and people shouldn't take them.

(* Justice Clarence Thomas)

Of course that may only apply to Supreme Court Justice candidates, and not the hoi polloi.

James Randi, founder of this forum, very much agreed with that. Thomas's stopped clock moment, perhaps.

Stacyhs · 9th April 2023, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

We have it on very good authority* that lie detector tests are too unreliable, and people shouldn't take them.

(* Justice Clarence Thomas)

Of course that may only apply to Supreme Court Justice candidates, and not the hoi polloi.

In reality, polygraphs are not reliable. Neither is 'body language analysis".

bruto · 9th April 2023, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by gnome

I think we're seeing the rise of a strange hybrid. "Sheep" that have enough influence to gain power and promote their point of view, but also conditioned to deflect or reject information that calls it into question. Willful ignorance allowing them to become the wolves while they could pass a lie detector test, if such a thing was reliable, about how sincere they are.

I think it they believe the nonsense they're spouting, they are more sheep than they would like to believe. The one with the bell is still a sheep.*

But if you'd rather keep it simple, we can go with Brecht, and remark that those who do not know the truth are fools, while those who know it but call it a lie are criminals. That works all right too.

Or to paraphrase an old saying also pertinent to Santis, "you can send an ass to college but he won't come back a horse."

quadraginta · 9th April 2023, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

James Randi, founder of this forum, very much agreed with that. Thomas's stopped clock moment, perhaps.

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

In reality, polygraphs are not reliable. Neither is 'body language analysis".

Yes, I know and agree.

But I will be unsurprised if Thomas finds some way to weasel out of that if a case comes before him which requires a more 'conservative' viewpoint.

Stacyhs · 10th April 2023, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

I think it they believe the nonsense they're spouting, they are more sheep than they would like to believe. The one with the bell is still a sheep.*

But if you'd rather keep it simple, we can go with Brecht, and remark that those who do not know the truth are fools, while those who know it but call it a lie are criminals. That works all right too.

Or to paraphrase an old saying also pertinent to Santis, "you can send an ass to college but he won't come back a horse."

Also pertinent to Trump, MTG, Cruz, McCarthy, Gaetz, Boebert, etc. etc. etc.

Brainster · 10th April 2023, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by catsmate

A very disturbing incident from Florida, if true.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...d-ron-desantis

No surprise, Rebekah was lying.

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The trouble for Jones is that her 13-year-old son sent some disturbing messages to his friends via Snapchat, including ones saying, “I want to shoot up the school” and “it’s been like 3-4 weeks since I got on my new….antidepressants and they aren’t working but they’re suppose to by now so I have no hope in getting better so why not kill the losers at school.”

Shalamar · 11th April 2023, 12:14 PM

NO idea where to put this, soo here it is. The 'Don't Say Period' bill passed into Legislation, because only 6th graders and older have periods?

dudalb · 11th April 2023, 01:28 PM

If De Santis passes legislation specicially targeting Disney by name, it will be shot dowin in court so fast it will make you head spin. CLear violation of severa basic legal concepts.

Stacyhs · 11th April 2023, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Shalamar

NO idea where to put this, soo here it is. The 'Don't Say Period' bill passed into Legislation, because only 6th graders and older have periods?

My sister was in 4th (10 years old) grade when she got her first period.

These bills reflect the Victorian mindset of these right-wingers. Fascinated and obsessed with sex but scared crapless by it at the same time.

bruto · 11th April 2023, 03:24 PM

I would love to see some kind of malicious compliance on a law like that. Imagine a girl gets her period in 4th or 5th grade, expresses concern, as is likely, and the teacher announces (as one must presume they can) "I'm sorry, but state law forbids me to tell you what is happening" and then calls the office of the local congressman demanding that they explain it, since she is forbidden.

tyr_13 · 11th April 2023, 07:12 PM

DeSantis' pick to lead healthcare in Florida withheld data that showed young men should get a covid vaccine, because the GOP can't win when facts are in play. https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health...nsible-at-best

Armitage72 · 17th April 2023, 07:54 PM

"Maybe we'll build a competing theme park next to Disney World. Or a prison."

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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Monday threatened to build a prison or a competing theme park near the Magic Kingdom or raise taxes on Walt Disney World to retaliate against the company for resisting a state takeover of its special taxing district.

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“Come to think of it now, people are like, ‘well, what should we do with this land?’” DeSantis said. “Maybe create a state park. Maybe try to do more amusement parks. Someone even said like, maybe you need another state prison. I mean, who knows? I mean, I just think that the possibilities are endless.”

"I'll build my own park. With blackjack. And hookers."

Regnad Kcin · 17th April 2023, 08:00 PM

What a tool.

kookbreaker · 17th April 2023, 08:03 PM

Yeah, uh, Ronnie? I don't think the corrupt toadies and patronage employees you put in place could build an outhouse, let alone a competing theme park.

Norman Alexander · 17th April 2023, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Ronny-the-none

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Monday threatened to build a prison or a competing theme park near the Magic Kingdom or raise taxes on Walt Disney World to retaliate against the company for resisting a state takeover of its special taxing district.

“Come to think of it now, people are like, ‘well, what should we do with this land?’” DeSantis said. “Maybe create a state park. Maybe try to do more amusement parks. Someone even said like, maybe you need another state prison. I mean, who knows? I mean, I just think that the possibilities are endless.”

Hey Ron! You DO know that whoever told you this was trolling you, right? And you it picked up and ran with it...right?

Donal · 18th April 2023, 06:06 AM

So, Florida is such a crime infested hell hole during Meatball Ron's tenure that they need another prison?

lomiller · 18th April 2023, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Donal

So, Florida is such a crime infested hell hole during Meatball Ron's tenure that they need another prison?

He needs it for the political prisoners he's planning on...

Ziggurat · 18th April 2023, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Hey Ron! You DO know that whoever told you this was trolling you, right? And you it picked up and ran with it...right?

You do know that Ron is trolling Disney with this, right?

Armitage72 · 18th April 2023, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by lomiller

He needs it for the political prisoners he's planning on...

It's like A Clockwork Orange, where the rapid rehabilitation procedure tested on Alex was needed so they could clear out the criminals to make room for political dissidents.

JoeMorgue · 18th April 2023, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

You do know that Ron is trolling Disney with this, right?

He's a conservative, like he knows how to do anything else.

Frank Newgent · 18th April 2023, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

You do know that Ron is trolling Disney with this, right?

Back at 'cha, Ron...

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...d-protections/

Ziggurat · 18th April 2023, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Frank Newgent

Back at 'cha, Ron...

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...d-protections/

Uh... yeah. That's really not much of a troll. I don't think Ron cares.

wareyin · 18th April 2023, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Uh... yeah. That's really not much of a troll. I don't think Ron cares.

Wait... you don't think the guy who promoted, signed into law, and bragged about the "Don't say gay" bill, then publicly threw a hissy fit about "woke" Disney for (tepidly) supporting LGBTQ+ rights, cares about gay people or Disney supporting them? How in the world did you twist the facts to fit into that bizarre take?

Donal · 18th April 2023, 09:35 AM

Of course he cares. Like most contemporary Republicans and their voters, he is a thin skinned wannabe tough guy who is scared to death of "looking weak" in public, so he needs to make a lot of performative gestures to demonstrate he is a manly man.

Donal · 18th April 2023, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by lomiller

He needs it for the political prisoners he's planning on...

Them statisticians aren't going to SWAT themselves!

Frank Newgent · 18th April 2023, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by Frank Newgent

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

I wouldn't assume that Disney has the upper hand here. On paper, there is no legal conflict between Disney and Florida, only between the Reedy Creek Improvement District and Florida. RCID is legally supposed to be independent of Disney. If that turns out not to be the case, and Iger appears to have just admitted that it's not, that's a major problem for Disney.

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What exactly did Iger say that he shouldn't have?

Still wondering.

Trebuchet · 18th April 2023, 09:49 AM

Legal Eagle is on the case. (Disney v DeSantis)

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Segnosaur · 18th April 2023, 10:26 AM

Seems like even republican donors are starting to rethink supporting Meatball Ron. (Although I suspect that their complaints are more about his electability rather than complaints about his actual policies. i.e. "Why are you saying the quiet parts out loud?")

From: Rolling Stone
On a group chat of wealthy DeSantis donors...participants exploded with alarm last week over the Florida governor’s presidential prospects... "What... is wrong with RD?" one participant wrote after DeSantis did not curtail his out-of-state publicity tour to return home amid massive flooding in the Fort Lauderdale area...Several other top donors to DeSantis were livid about the governor referring to the brutal Russian invasion of Ukraine as a "territorial dispute,"...Billionaire financier Thomas Peterffy told the Financial Times this past weekend that he and "a bunch of friends" were putting spending for the Florida governor on hold "because of his stance on abortion and book banning."

Remember how the republicans were complaining about Biden not going to visit the site of a train derailment? Good times, good times. Meatball Ron should have gone to Fort Lauderdale when they had the flooding, and tossed them some paper towels. (Seems like a very republican thing to do.)

Gulliver Foyle · 18th April 2023, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

You do know that Ron is trolling Disney with this, right?

You do know that Florida Man doesn't have the brains to troll competently, don't you?

Ziggurat · 18th April 2023, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by wareyin

Wait... you don't think the guy who promoted, signed into law, and bragged about the "Don't say gay" bill, then publicly threw a hissy fit about "woke" Disney for (tepidly) supporting LGBTQ+ rights, cares about gay people or Disney supporting them? How in the world did you twist the facts to fit into that bizarre take?

Because you don't actually understand the bill, or the motivation behind it.

wareyin · 18th April 2023, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Because you don't actually understand the bill, or the motivation behind it.

Yeah, I was fooled by the statements of the authors of the bill, the wording of the bill, the statements of the Gov who signed the bill into law, and the effects the bill has had since it was passed into law.

What I should have believed was Zig's bizarre up is down defense of the bill instead!

Mike! · 18th April 2023, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Frank Newgent

Back at 'cha, Ron...

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...d-protections/

Is that event planned for Florida or California? The article refers to "Disneyland" multiple times, but "Disneyland" is in California. "Disney World" is the park in Florida. That's not to say the article isn't getting the park names mixed up and the event is planned for Disney World, or maybe even both parks. But it doesn't expressly say which park is having the event by state.

https://www.rd.com/list/differences-...golf%20resorts.

kookbreaker · 18th April 2023, 01:42 PM

If Desantis is trolling it’s a pretty pathetic way to cover the fact that Disney gave a legal ********** in front of everyone.

dudalb · 18th April 2023, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

"Maybe we'll build a competing theme park next to Disney World. Or a prison."

"I'll build my own park. With blackjack. And hookers."

Build A prison next of Disney, you also build it next to Universal Studios, and every other major attraction in Orlando.
De Santis is just plain studpid, and getting desperate. He has picked a fight he cannot win.

dudalb · 18th April 2023, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Because you don't actually understand the bill, or the motivation behind it.

Yes wo do, and both stink.

dudalb · 18th April 2023, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Uh... yeah. That's really not much of a troll. I don't think Ron cares.

Well, calling him Ron shows where your poitical sympathy lies.
And what your feelings about gays are..........

dudalb · 18th April 2023, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Seems like even republican donors are starting to rethink supporting Meatball Ron. (Although I suspect that their complaints are more about his electability rather than complaints about his actual policies. i.e. "Why are you saying the quiet parts out loud?")

From: Rolling Stone
On a group chat of wealthy DeSantis donors...participants exploded with alarm last week over the Florida governor’s presidential prospects... "What... is wrong with RD?" one participant wrote after DeSantis did not curtail his out-of-state publicity tour to return home amid massive flooding in the Fort Lauderdale area...Several other top donors to DeSantis were livid about the governor referring to the brutal Russian invasion of Ukraine as a "territorial dispute,"...Billionaire financier Thomas Peterffy told the Financial Times this past weekend that he and "a bunch of friends" were putting spending for the Florida governor on hold "because of his stance on abortion and book banning."

Remember how the republicans were complaining about Biden not going to visit the site of a train derailment? Good times, good times. Meatball Ron should have gone to Fort Lauderdale when they had the flooding, and tossed them some paper towels. (Seems like a very republican thing to do.)

I think they are just realising De Santis is an idiot.

Stacyhs · 18th April 2023, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

"Maybe we'll build a competing theme park next to Disney World. Or a prison."

Quote:

Quote:
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Monday threatened to build a prison or a competing theme park near the Magic Kingdom or raise taxes on Walt Disney World to retaliate against the company for resisting a state takeover of its special taxing district.

Quote:

Quote:
“Come to think of it now, people are like, ‘well, what should we do with this land?’” DeSantis said. “Maybe create a state park. Maybe try to do more amusement parks. Someone even said like, maybe you need another state prison. I mean, who knows? I mean, I just think that the possibilities are endless.”

"I'll build my own park. With blackjack. And hookers."

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

You do know that Ron is trolling Disney with this, right?

Ronnie is sounding more and more like Donnie. What next? Ronnie claiming he knows more about building amusement parks and prisons than anyone else? That he can build them like no one has ever seen before?

"What a tool" is correct.

9th April 2023, 12:26 PM	#281
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,840	Originally Posted by lomiller [snip] FWIW DeSantis wanting government to run the improvement zone and be the provider of services to Disney is Socialist in nature, and Socialist in the worst way. The problem with government directly providing goods and services is that government failures can often make the services less efficient. In most cases this is accidental, but lets face it, providing more expensive less efficient services to Disney is the whole point. Disney can afford it. If they cover the additional costs by raising their prices it probably won't hurt their custom all that much. And they've got the bankroll to do it very slowly so it isn't as noticeable. Thing is, they aren't the only ones in the district, and everyone else may not have the same advantages. It is likely that most of the ones to feel the pain will be people and businesses other than Disney. DeSantis constituents, IOW. Not that he would care about that.
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9th April 2023, 03:23 PM	#282
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,961	Originally Posted by lomiller The core concept of Socialism is social ownership rather than private ownership of the means of production. A member run co-op would be socialist, so would a government run factory. Funding social services on the other hand isn't Socialist unless the government provides the service directly rather than paying a private company to do it. Social security isn't really a service, Medicare doesn't provide medical services directly so neither of these is truly socialist in nature. Police and military services, on the other hand are provided directly by the government instead of being contracted out to private mercenaries, so i think you could make a case for them being Socialist. FWIW DeSantis wanting government to run the improvement zone and be the provider of services to Disney is Socialist in nature, and Socialist in the worst way. The problem with government directly providing goods and services is that government failures can often make the services less efficient. In most cases this is accidental, but lets face it, providing more expensive less efficient services to Disney is the whole point. I know you know there's a little more to "socialism" than just production. There is also distribution and exchange, and arguably mutual defence. From Simple Wikipedia, examples relevant to RCID and DeSantis: Quote: What is socialism examples? Public infrastructure—bridges, roads, electricity, water and sewer systems, and other government infrastructure—is considered socialist. It is usually owned and operated by the government and paid for by a mix of taxation and user fees.
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9th April 2023, 03:38 PM	#283
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 36,519	Originally Posted by quadraginta We have it on very good authority* that lie detector tests are too unreliable, and people shouldn't take them. (* Justice Clarence Thomas) Of course that may only apply to Supreme Court Justice candidates, and not the hoi polloi. James Randi, founder of this forum, very much agreed with that. Thomas's stopped clock moment, perhaps.
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9th April 2023, 07:32 PM	#285
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 34,758	Originally Posted by gnome I think we're seeing the rise of a strange hybrid. "Sheep" that have enough influence to gain power and promote their point of view, but also conditioned to deflect or reject information that calls it into question. Willful ignorance allowing them to become the wolves while they could pass a lie detector test, if such a thing was reliable, about how sincere they are. I think it they believe the nonsense they're spouting, they are more sheep than they would like to believe. The one with the bell is still a sheep.* But if you'd rather keep it simple, we can go with Brecht, and remark that those who do not know the truth are fools, while those who know it but call it a lie are criminals. That works all right too. Or to paraphrase an old saying also pertinent to Santis, "you can send an ass to college but he won't come back a horse."
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9th April 2023, 08:07 PM	#286
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,840	Originally Posted by Trebuchet James Randi, founder of this forum, very much agreed with that. Thomas's stopped clock moment, perhaps. Originally Posted by Stacyhs In reality, polygraphs are not reliable. Neither is 'body language analysis". Yes, I know and agree. But I will be unsurprised if Thomas finds some way to weasel out of that if a case comes before him which requires a more 'conservative' viewpoint.
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9th April 2023, 05:48 PM	#284
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,295	Originally Posted by quadraginta We have it on very good authority* that lie detector tests are too unreliable, and people shouldn't take them. (* Justice Clarence Thomas) Of course that may only apply to Supreme Court Justice candidates, and not the hoi polloi. In reality, polygraphs are not reliable. Neither is 'body language analysis".

10th April 2023, 04:47 PM	#287
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,295	Originally Posted by bruto I think it they believe the nonsense they're spouting, they are more sheep than they would like to believe. The one with the bell is still a sheep.* But if you'd rather keep it simple, we can go with Brecht, and remark that those who do not know the truth are fools, while those who know it but call it a lie are criminals. That works all right too. Or to paraphrase an old saying also pertinent to Santis, "you can send an ass to college but he won't come back a horse." Also pertinent to Trump, MTG, Cruz, McCarthy, Gaetz, Boebert, etc. etc. etc.

10th April 2023, 05:02 PM	#288
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 19,880	Originally Posted by catsmate A very disturbing incident from Florida, if true. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...d-ron-desantis No surprise, Rebekah was lying. Quote: The trouble for Jones is that her 13-year-old son sent some disturbing messages to his friends via Snapchat, including ones saying, “I want to shoot up the school” and “it’s been like 3-4 weeks since I got on my new….antidepressants and they aren’t working but they’re suppose to by now so I have no hope in getting better so why not kill the losers at school.”
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11th April 2023, 12:14 PM	#289
Shalamar Dark Lord of the JREF Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Somewhere Else Posts: 5,689	NO idea where to put this, soo here it is. The 'Don't Say Period' bill passed into Legislation, because only 6th graders and older have periods?
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11th April 2023, 01:28 PM	#290
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,605	If De Santis passes legislation specicially targeting Disney by name, it will be shot dowin in court so fast it will make you head spin. CLear violation of severa basic legal concepts.
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11th April 2023, 02:35 PM	#291
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,295	Originally Posted by Shalamar NO idea where to put this, soo here it is. The 'Don't Say Period' bill passed into Legislation, because only 6th graders and older have periods? My sister was in 4th (10 years old) grade when she got her first period. These bills reflect the Victorian mindset of these right-wingers. Fascinated and obsessed with sex but scared crapless by it at the same time.

11th April 2023, 03:24 PM	#292
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 34,758	I would love to see some kind of malicious compliance on a law like that. Imagine a girl gets her period in 4th or 5th grade, expresses concern, as is likely, and the teacher announces (as one must presume they can) "I'm sorry, but state law forbids me to tell you what is happening" and then calls the office of the local congressman demanding that they explain it, since she is forbidden.
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11th April 2023, 07:12 PM	#293
tyr_13 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 17,630	DeSantis' pick to lead healthcare in Florida withheld data that showed young men should get a covid vaccine, because the GOP can't win when facts are in play. https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/health...nsible-at-best
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17th April 2023, 07:54 PM	#294
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,824	"Maybe we'll build a competing theme park next to Disney World. Or a prison." Quote: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Monday threatened to build a prison or a competing theme park near the Magic Kingdom or raise taxes on Walt Disney World to retaliate against the company for resisting a state takeover of its special taxing district. Quote: “Come to think of it now, people are like, ‘well, what should we do with this land?’” DeSantis said. “Maybe create a state park. Maybe try to do more amusement parks. Someone even said like, maybe you need another state prison. I mean, who knows? I mean, I just think that the possibilities are endless.” "I'll build my own park. With blackjack. And hookers."

17th April 2023, 08:00 PM	#295
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The old Same place Posts: 10,842	What a tool.
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17th April 2023, 08:03 PM	#296
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,539	Yeah, uh, Ronnie? I don't think the corrupt toadies and patronage employees you put in place could build an outhouse, let alone a competing theme park.
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17th April 2023, 09:11 PM	#297
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,961	Originally Posted by Ronny-the-none Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Monday threatened to build a prison or a competing theme park near the Magic Kingdom or raise taxes on Walt Disney World to retaliate against the company for resisting a state takeover of its special taxing district. “Come to think of it now, people are like, ‘well, what should we do with this land?’” DeSantis said. “Maybe create a state park. Maybe try to do more amusement parks. Someone even said like, maybe you need another state prison. I mean, who knows? I mean, I just think that the possibilities are endless.” Hey Ron! You DO know that whoever told you this was trolling you, right? And you it picked up and ran with it...right?
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18th April 2023, 06:06 AM	#298
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,628	So, Florida is such a crime infested hell hole during Meatball Ron's tenure that they need another prison?
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18th April 2023, 07:36 AM	#299
lomiller Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 12,937	Originally Posted by Donal So, Florida is such a crime infested hell hole during Meatball Ron's tenure that they need another prison? He needs it for the political prisoners he's planning on...
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18th April 2023, 07:36 AM	#300
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 53,886	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Hey Ron! You DO know that whoever told you this was trolling you, right? And you it picked up and ran with it...right? You do know that Ron is trolling Disney with this, right?
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18th April 2023, 08:25 AM	#301
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,824	Originally Posted by lomiller He needs it for the political prisoners he's planning on... It's like A Clockwork Orange, where the rapid rehabilitation procedure tested on Alex was needed so they could clear out the criminals to make room for political dissidents.

18th April 2023, 08:27 AM	#302
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 44,080	Originally Posted by Ziggurat You do know that Ron is trolling Disney with this, right? He's a conservative, like he knows how to do anything else.
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18th April 2023, 08:47 AM	#303
Frank Newgent Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 7,074	Originally Posted by Ziggurat You do know that Ron is trolling Disney with this, right? Back at 'cha, Ron... https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...d-protections/
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18th April 2023, 09:15 AM	#304
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 53,886	Originally Posted by Frank Newgent Back at 'cha, Ron... https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...d-protections/ Uh... yeah. That's really not much of a troll. I don't think Ron cares.
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18th April 2023, 09:21 AM	#305
wareyin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 11,828	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Uh... yeah. That's really not much of a troll. I don't think Ron cares. Wait... you don't think the guy who promoted, signed into law, and bragged about the "Don't say gay" bill, then publicly threw a hissy fit about "woke" Disney for (tepidly) supporting LGBTQ+ rights, cares about gay people or Disney supporting them? How in the world did you twist the facts to fit into that bizarre take?

18th April 2023, 09:35 AM	#306
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,628	Of course he cares. Like most contemporary Republicans and their voters, he is a thin skinned wannabe tough guy who is scared to death of "looking weak" in public, so he needs to make a lot of performative gestures to demonstrate he is a manly man.
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18th April 2023, 09:36 AM	#307
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,628	Originally Posted by lomiller He needs it for the political prisoners he's planning on... Them statisticians aren't going to SWAT themselves!
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18th April 2023, 10:26 AM	#310
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,893	Seems like even republican donors are starting to rethink supporting Meatball Ron. (Although I suspect that their complaints are more about his electability rather than complaints about his actual policies. i.e. "Why are you saying the quiet parts out loud?") From: Rolling Stone On a group chat of wealthy DeSantis donors...participants exploded with alarm last week over the Florida governor’s presidential prospects... "What... is wrong with RD?" one participant wrote after DeSantis did not curtail his out-of-state publicity tour to return home amid massive flooding in the Fort Lauderdale area...Several other top donors to DeSantis were livid about the governor referring to the brutal Russian invasion of Ukraine as a "territorial dispute,"...Billionaire financier Thomas Peterffy told the Financial Times this past weekend that he and "a bunch of friends" were putting spending for the Florida governor on hold "because of his stance on abortion and book banning." Remember how the republicans were complaining about Biden not going to visit the site of a train derailment? Good times, good times. Meatball Ron should have gone to Fort Lauderdale when they had the flooding, and tossed them some paper towels. (Seems like a very republican thing to do.)
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18th April 2023, 10:39 AM	#311
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,691	Originally Posted by Ziggurat You do know that Ron is trolling Disney with this, right? You do know that Florida Man doesn't have the brains to troll competently, don't you?

18th April 2023, 10:43 AM	#312
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 53,886	Originally Posted by wareyin Wait... you don't think the guy who promoted, signed into law, and bragged about the "Don't say gay" bill, then publicly threw a hissy fit about "woke" Disney for (tepidly) supporting LGBTQ+ rights, cares about gay people or Disney supporting them? How in the world did you twist the facts to fit into that bizarre take? Because you don't actually understand the bill, or the motivation behind it.
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18th April 2023, 10:48 AM	#313
wareyin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 11,828	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Because you don't actually understand the bill, or the motivation behind it. Yeah, I was fooled by the statements of the authors of the bill, the wording of the bill, the statements of the Gov who signed the bill into law, and the effects the bill has had since it was passed into law. What I should have believed was Zig's bizarre up is down defense of the bill instead!

18th April 2023, 11:11 AM	#314
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 50,196	Originally Posted by Frank Newgent Back at 'cha, Ron... https://www.nationalreview.com/news/...d-protections/ Is that event planned for Florida or California? The article refers to "Disneyland" multiple times, but "Disneyland" is in California. "Disney World" is the park in Florida. That's not to say the article isn't getting the park names mixed up and the event is planned for Disney World, or maybe even both parks. But it doesn't expressly say which park is having the event by state. https://www.rd.com/list/differences-...golf%20resorts.
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18th April 2023, 01:42 PM	#315
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,539	If Desantis is trolling it’s a pretty pathetic way to cover the fact that Disney gave a legal ********** in front of everyone.
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18th April 2023, 03:19 PM	#316
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,605	Originally Posted by Armitage72 "Maybe we'll build a competing theme park next to Disney World. Or a prison." "I'll build my own park. With blackjack. And hookers." Build A prison next of Disney, you also build it next to Universal Studios, and every other major attraction in Orlando. De Santis is just plain studpid, and getting desperate. He has picked a fight he cannot win.
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18th April 2023, 03:20 PM	#317
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,605	Originally Posted by Ziggurat Because you don't actually understand the bill, or the motivation behind it. Yes wo do, and both stink.
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