The DeSantis gambit

[acbytesla]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Because you don't actually understand the bill, or the motivation behind it.

You're kidding us.

Please describe the bill and the motivation. I'm dying to read your take.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by dudalb

Build A prison next of Disney, you also build it next to Universal Studios, and every other major attraction in Orlando.
De Santis is just plain studpid, and getting desperate. He has picked a fight he cannot win.

A prison or Disneyworld? Hmmmm...which does Ronnie think the people of FL would support? Which brings in more money and jobs?

He's an idiot.

[lobosrul5]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

A prison or Disneyworld? Hmmmm...which does Ronnie think the people of FL would support? Which brings in more money and jobs?

He's an idiot.

Yeah kill off Disneyworld it won't effect your state much at all..

But the sheer number of jobs, and tax revenue connected to Disney World, casts a long shadow in the halls of state government. A 2019 study found Disney dominates the Central Florida tourism industry, according to Oxford Economics, and produced:

$75.2 billion annual economic impact for Central Florida.
463,000 jobs.
$5.8 billion in additional state tax revenue.
The sales tax collected just on the 58 million Disney World tickets sold in 2018 was $409 million. That’s more than what the state will spend this year on school construction and maintenance or the entire Department of Elder Affairs budget.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...er/5919720001/

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

Yeah kill off Disneyworld it won't effect your state much at all..

But the sheer number of jobs, and tax revenue connected to Disney World, casts a long shadow in the halls of state government. A 2019 study found Disney dominates the Central Florida tourism industry, according to Oxford Economics, and produced:

$75.2 billion annual economic impact for Central Florida.
463,000 jobs.
$5.8 billion in additional state tax revenue.
The sales tax collected just on the 58 million Disney World tickets sold in 2018 was $409 million. That’s more than what the state will spend this year on school construction and maintenance or the entire Department of Elder Affairs budget.



https://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...er/5919720001/

Ronnie thinks he's David with a slingshot.

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by acbytesla

You're kidding us.

Please describe the bill and the motivation. I'm dying to read your take.

Might as well ask the sooper seekrit proof that Obama is the thin-skinned narcissist while you're at it.

[Marcus]

There is one thing about De Santis which I like, which is that he is a possible alternative to Trump for the Republican nomination. Yes, I know it's a low bar.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Marcus

There is one thing about De Santis which I like, which is that he is a possible alternative to Trump for the Republican nomination. Yes, I know it's a low bar.

I don't think DeSantis would be much better than Trump. Get him in the WH with a GOP House and/or Senate and watch the monkey poo hit the fan.

[acbytesla]

Originally Posted by Marcus

There is one thing about De Santis which I like, which is that he is a possible alternative to Trump for the Republican nomination. Yes, I know it's a low bar.

They both scare the crap out of me. Both are racist misogynistic pigs. Both have an authoritarian bent.

[dudalb]

Ron keeps on trying to Mess With The Mouse, and it keeps backfiring on him.
There is a reason that "Don't Mess Around With The Mouse" is one of the basic rules of doing business in Hollywood.

[dudalb]

Ron keeps on trying to Mess With The Mouse, and it keeps backfiring on him.
There is a reason that "Don't Mess Around With The Mouse" is one of the basic rules of doing business in Hollywood.

[angrysoba]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Because you don't actually understand the bill, or the motivation behind it.

Is there actually some kind of high-minded principle at work here?

And when I say principle, I mean something that would persuade anyone who hasn’t had their brain marinaded in culture war nonsense.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Is there actually some kind of high-minded principle at work here?

And when I say principle, I mean something that would persuade anyone who hasn’t had their brain marinaded in culture war nonsense.

Im not trying to convince you he's right. I'm not suggesting you would agree with him. I'm suggesting that you don't understand him. That doesn't depend on him being, as you say, "high minded". This idea that be just hates gays so much that he would care about Disney holding a pride event doesn't really check out.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by dudalb

Well, calling him Ron shows where your poitical sympathy lies.

Does it? And what does it say about Frank and Norman that they called him Ron too?

You're reading into this far more than actually exists.

[whoanellie]

DeSantis has gone off script. Culture wars are supposed to be a way to distract voters from their pro-big business and pro-1% policies. Now DeSantis is attacking business to fight a culture war.

[Donal]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Im not trying to convince you he's right. I'm not suggesting you would agree with him. I'm suggesting that you don't understand him. That doesn't depend on him being, as you say, "high minded". This idea that be just hates gays so much that he would care about Disney holding a pride event doesn't really check out.

It is you who doesn't understand. DeSantis wouldn't get mad Disney held a Pride Night or whatever. He'd be mad they would show him up like that. He's too much a sociopath to love or hate anyone. DeSantis isn't concerned about gay people or trans people any more than he is concerned about anyone not named Ron DeSantis.

What upsets him is the fact that anyone would contradict him. He thinks that is what makes him look weak.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Donal

It is you who doesn't understand. DeSantis wouldn't get mad Disney held a Pride Night or whatever. He'd be mad they would show him up like that.

Like what? A pride night doesn't show him up.

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What upsets him is the fact that anyone would contradict him.

Having a pride night doesn't contradict him. He never staked anything on them not doing that.

And has already been pointed out by others, this pride night isn't even in Florida, it's in California. This isn't being done to stick it to DeSantis.

[Foster Zygote]

Ya gotta love The Onion.

[wareyin]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Im not trying to convince you he's right. I'm not suggesting you would agree with him. I'm suggesting that you don't understand him. That doesn't depend on him being, as you say, "high minded". This idea that be just hates gays so much that he would care about Disney holding a pride event doesn't really check out.

This is the closest you've been able to come to giving us your version of what the "Don't Say Gay" bill does and the motivations behind it, but it's still not an answer.

Come on, you love to pose as being so much smarter than the rest of us, prove it! Dazzle us with your superior understanding!

And please let it be better than your "DeSantis wasn't going after Disney, he was just being fair" nonsense that ignores DeSantis's own statements of motivation.

[catsmate]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Because you don't actually understand the bill, or the motivation behind it.

Yes we do. We also understand how Disney (and it's lawyers) out--smarted the attempt by the Republicans to disempower the corporation.

It's frankly hilarious how vindictive, incompetent and downright stupid the DeSantis regime is.

[Donal]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Like what? A pride night doesn't show him up.

It would. Remember, he is doing the "War on Woke" to distract from his disastrous policies.

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Having a pride night doesn't contradict him. He never staked anything on them not doing that.

Something something something family values something something Disney hates conservatives blah blah blah something something "wokism"

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And has already been pointed out by others, this pride night isn't even in Florida, it's in California. This isn't being done to stick it to DeSantis.

Hence, I said "would". Disney gives a lukewarm statement acknowledging trans people exist and he loses his ****, tries to completely rewrite the agreement Florida has with Disney, and hand Floridians a few billion dollar tax bill. You're telling me a Pride Night wouldn't draw a negative reaction from that fake tough guy?

[angrysoba]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Im not trying to convince you he's right. I'm not suggesting you would agree with him. I'm suggesting that you don't understand him. That doesn't depend on him being, as you say, "high minded". This idea that be just hates gays so much that he would care about Disney holding a pride event doesn't really check out.

Maybe I don't. That's fine.

Then again, maybe not many people understand what the feud with Disney is about or whether or not he hates the gays.

If we were to take the idea of the rational and good voter seriously, for a second, we presumably have to assume that this voter knows full well what DeSantis is about and supports him (for high-minded reasons).

On the other hand, if we think the idea of the rational and good voter is a laughable fantasy, we might assume that he is throwing red meat to homophobes hoping they will elect him, while leaving enough ambiguity for the more Respectable Republican to roll their eyes, sigh and attempt to explain, "You just don't understand..."

[lobosrul5]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Im not trying to convince you he's right. I'm not suggesting you would agree with him. I'm suggesting that you don't understand him. That doesn't depend on him being, as you say, "high minded". This idea that be just hates gays so much that he would care about Disney holding a pride event doesn't really check out.

I understand him completely. He's playing up to his base, to try and woo Trump supporters over to his side. That's all this is. And its all it ever was.

[angrysoba]

This is a Trump ad attacking DeSantis.

Jeeeezz...

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I AGREE

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by dudalb

Ron keeps on trying to Mess With The Mouse, and it keeps backfiring on him.
There is a reason that "Don't Mess Around With The Mouse" is one of the basic rules of doing business in Hollywood.

Originally Posted by dudalb

Ron keeps on trying to Mess With The Mouse, and it keeps backfiring on him.
There is a reason that "Don't Mess Around With The Mouse" is one of the basic rules of doing business in Hollywood.

You can say that again!

DeSantis actually scares me more than Trump because he actually seems to believe in the stuff he does.

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by angrysoba

This is a Trump ad attacking DeSantis.

Jeeeezz...

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I AGREE

It is an article of faith among Republicans that Socialism and Entitlements are bad. Except when they're not, apparently.

[Donal]

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

You can say that again!

DeSantis actually scares me more than Trump because he actually seems to believe in the stuff he does.

At this point, I fail to see the difference between a true believer and grifter that is all in on his grift.

The big difference between DeSantis and Trump is that Meatball Ron is somewhat more polished. No too long ago, that would have made him a big threat. But, because Trump already got through, all of the career politicians pedaling the same brand of authoritarianism look like pale imitations

[The Great Zaganza]

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

It is an article of faith among Republicans that Socialism and Entitlements are bad. Except when they're not, apparently.

Many Republicans have a problem with National Socialism. But only because it has Socialism in the name.

[Wudang]

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Many Republicans have a problem with National Socialism. But only because it has Socialism in the name.

"To protect the guilty we change the name"

[lobosrul5]

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

It is an article of faith among Republicans that Socialism and Entitlements are bad. Except when they're not, apparently.

Lol, yeah reducing entitlements is fine, as long as its for "those people". Its OK with the boomers so long as its reduction in social security bene's for those coming after them.

If DeSantis gets the nom and his literal campaign message is a reduction in medicare and social security for people already collecting them, we'll see the biggest "blue wave" since the days of FDR.

[Trebuchet]

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

Lol, yeah reducing entitlements is fine, as long as its for "those people". Its OK with the boomers so long as its reduction in social security bene's for those coming after them.

If DeSantis gets the nom and his literal campaign message is a reduction in medicare and social security for people already collecting them, we'll see the biggest "blue wave" since the days of FDR.

It won't be. The Trump campaign ad is based on a couple of votes when he was in Congress a long time ago.

[Tero]

DeSantis will get to the 2024 primaries. This is his only chance. By 2028 he will be forgotten outside of Florida.

[acbytesla]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Im not trying to convince you he's right. I'm not suggesting you would agree with him. I'm suggesting that you don't understand him. That doesn't depend on him being, as you say, "high minded". This idea that be just hates gays so much that he would care about Disney holding a pride event doesn't really check out.

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Does it? And what does it say about Frank and Norman that they called him Ron too?

You're reading into this far more than actually exists.

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Like what? A pride night doesn't show him up.



Having a pride night doesn't contradict him. He never staked anything on them not doing that.

And has already been pointed out by others, this pride night isn't even in Florida, it's in California. This isn't being done to stick it to DeSantis.

It doesn’t check out? Then what is his motivation? How are we to interpret his homophobic words and actions?

I asked before when you said he doesn't understand. You're so sure that he's wrong, then you must be sure why DeSantis is acting the way he does.

[gnome]

I too am interested in hearing about the real DeSantis that I'm misunderstanding.

[whoanellie]

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

It is an article of faith among Republicans that Socialism and Entitlements are bad. Except when they're not, apparently.

It's the old "the government should keep its hands off ofmy social security" idea.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Donal

Disney gives a lukewarm statement acknowledging trans people exist

Uh, yeah, no. That's really not an accurate description of what happened, and it's really not what DeSantis objected to.

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and he loses his ****, tries to completely rewrite the agreement Florida has with Disney,

Oh, he didn't try to, he did.

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and hand Floridians a few billion dollar tax bill.

Nope. That's not happening either. RCID has not been disolved, but only renamed and restructured as the CFTOD. The CFTOD is now responsible for repaying those bonds, and can only do so by taxing within the district. Which means that it's still Disney, not Floridian taxpayers at large, who has to pay them off. That was the case before, that's still the case, nothing actually changed. I know a lot of reporting said it was going to, but that reporting was mostly from last year, and largely predicated on the idea that the special district would be dissolved completely. But that's not what actually happened.

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You're telling me a Pride Night wouldn't draw a negative reaction from that fake tough guy?

Has it? Show me.

[wareyin]

Oh look, we're being told to ignore the evidence our lying eyes see, and accept Zig's bizzaro world interpretation of "nuh-uh that's not what happened" solely on his say so.


And ignore how much of this Zig has already been shown to be wrong about, please. This time he's really the expert who is smart enough to see through what DeSantis said and did to know the real motivation in his secret heart of hearts.

[The Great Zaganza]

Fanboys gonna fanboy.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by wareyin

Oh look, we're being told to ignore the evidence our lying eyes see, and accept Zig's bizzaro world interpretation of "nuh-uh that's not what happened" solely on his say so.

Donal's description left out that Disney was opposing specific legislation. That's rather germane to everything that happened. That's not my say-so, even Bob Iger conceded that.

[Donal]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Uh, yeah, no. That's really not an accurate description of what happened, and it's really not what DeSantis objected to.

It is exactly what happened.

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Oh, he didn't try to, he did.

And like all of his endeavors in his fake tough guy "war on woke", it backfired.

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Nope. That's not happening either. RCID has not been disolved, but only renamed and restructured as the CFTOD. The CFTOD is now responsible for repaying those bonds, and can only do so by taxing within the district. Which means that it's still Disney, not Floridian taxpayers at large, who has to pay them off. That was the case before, that's still the case, nothing actually changed. I know a lot of reporting said it was going to, but that reporting was mostly from last year, and largely predicated on the idea that the special district would be dissolved completely. But that's not what actually happened.

Hey look, someone who believes DeStantis' nonsense. You're going to have a hard time if you keep doing that.

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Has it? Show me.

I repeat: Something something something family values something something Disney hates conservatives blah blah blah something something "wokism"

[Donal]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Donal's description left out that Disney was opposing specific legislation. That's rather germane to everything that happened. That's not my say-so, even Bob Iger conceded that.

It was a lukewarm response that trans people exist. Meatball Ron's big manly feelings were hurt because it came while he was pushing his Wish.com version of the Nuremburg Codes.