Criminal Charges Against Trump / Trump Indicted Part II - Page 3

alfaniner · 6th May 2023, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

I think they showed him the photo in response to his claim that he didn't even know who E Jean Carroll was. They weren't expecting him to help them completely demolish his own "she's not my type" defense by mistaking her for his ex wife. But you don't even need him to mistake Carroll for Maples to know he's lying. You just need to see photos of the two of them. Carroll may be 20 years older than Maples, but they look remarkably similar in the mid '90s. Throw in his doubling down on the Billy Boyd tape with his egregious statement stars can sexually assault people, "unfortunately, or fortunately", then answering in the affirmative when asked if he considers himself a star, and he may as well change his name to 'Rapey Rapeman'. (Although '****-Face von Clownstick' still works for me.)

Pippin, fool of a Took!

(It's Billy Bush, btw. And I admit, I have made the same mistake myself!)

Foster Zygote · 6th May 2023, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

Pippin, fool of a Took!

(It's Billy Bush, btw. And I admit, I have made the same mistake myself!)

DOH! File retrieval error.

Foster Zygote · 6th May 2023, 08:37 AM

I just saw the clip of the deposition recording again, and I'm struck by the emotional flatness of Trump's facial expressions. It makes me think of Quint's line from Jaws about a shark having lifeless eyes, "like a dolls eyes". It also reminded me of something I read years ago about narcissists learning to imitate many facial expressions, and all the times Trump has made ridiculous, cartoonish facial expressions, like some alien attempting to imitate human emotions. I think the emptiness seen in that deposition is a view of the real Trump, and there's just nothing there.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th May 2023, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

I just saw the clip of the deposition recording again, and I'm struck by the emotional flatness of Trump's facial expressions. It makes me think of Quint's line from Jaws about a shark having lifeless eyes, "like a dolls eyes". It also reminded me of something I read years ago about narcissists learning to imitate many facial expressions, and all the times Trump has made ridiculous, cartoonish facial expressions, like some alien attempting to imitate human emotions. I think the emptiness seen in that deposition is a view of the real Trump, and there's just nothing there.

Except when he's animating certain answers and speaks the same way he does in his rallies and news interviews. Those specific answers stand out from the droll and are clearly spoken in the same pattern he uses over and over.

Stacyhs · 6th May 2023, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Except when he's animating certain answers and speaks the same way he does in his rallies and news interviews. Those specific answers stand out from the droll and are clearly spoken in the same pattern he uses over and over.

I've noticed this about him before. He uses the same stock phrases which we've long recognized and mocked and the same patterns. He uses short, simple sentences and then repeats them like this:

"I didn't wait long. I didn't wait long. I didn't wait long. I wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what I said was correct.

He uses the same few modifiers: very, tremendous, fantastic, great, and terrific to describe positives and bad, horrible, lousy, and awful to describe negatives.

Trump always speaks in a casual, conversational, simple manner...almost as if he's talking to children. I think this is one reason his beloved (

) 'undereducated' supporters relate to him. They can understand him.

alfaniner · 6th May 2023, 02:26 PM

It used to be just "Russia, Russia, Russia!" Now it's "Russia, Russia, Russia! Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine!" Once a phrase is in his lexicon, he will never, ever let go of it.

Fast Eddie B · 6th May 2023, 02:37 PM

Also, “Like nobody’s ever seen before” or “Unlike anything the world’s ever seen”. Similarly, “I know more about x than anyone”.

I assume he was taught these, by Roy Cohn or Roger Stone, though I’m not sure they achieve the ends he thinks they do.

Also, projecting his own ignorance, like in “Not many people know Lincoln was a Republican” or “Nobody knew health care could be so complicated”. Overall, a very limited repertoire of stupid catch phrases - but maybe they work to some extent?

Steve · 6th May 2023, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

Also, “Like nobody’s ever seen before” or “Unlike anything the world’s ever seen”. Similarly, “I know more about x than anyone”.

I assume he was taught these, by Roy Cohn or Roger Stone, though I’m not sure they achieve the ends he thinks I they do.

Also, projecting his own ignorance, like in “Not many people know Lincoln was a Republican” or “Nobody knew health care could be so complicated”. Overall, a very limited repertoire of stupid catch phrases - but maybe they work to some extent?

Just consider the intended audience of like minded people. The lower intelligence segment of the American population.

smartcooky · 6th May 2023, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

I just saw the clip of the deposition recording again, and I'm struck by the emotional flatness of Trump's facial expressions. It makes me think of Quint's line from Jaws about a shark having lifeless eyes, "like a dolls eyes". It also reminded me of something I read years ago about narcissists learning to imitate many facial expressions, and all the times Trump has made ridiculous, cartoonish facial expressions, like some alien attempting to imitate human emotions. I think the emptiness seen in that deposition is a view of the real Trump, and there's just nothing there.

That is possibly a thing his lawyers have told him to do. There are people who are good at analyzing facial expressions for truthfulness and lying - and prosecutors use them. One of the ways to defeat facial expression analysis, or at least to make yourself very hard to read, is to maintain a flat, expressionless demeanor - e.g. acting as if you don't care or are disinterested in whatever is happening, not responding emotionally to provocative questions. There are other aspects to this, but The Fat Orange Turd isn't smart enough to understand those.

smartcooky · 6th May 2023, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

In his deposition, Trump said,

Well, there goes another irony meter.

CNN is reporting that at least 8 of the 16 fake electors are being given immunity for their cooperation in the GA election interference investigation.

They're turning on each other.

But wait, there's more

In a transcript of a conversation between one of Fani Willis' prosecutors, Nathan Wade, and the lawyer for eight of the fake electors, Kimberly Debrow, this exchange took place...

“Here’s the deal. Here’s the deal. Either [Elector E] is going to get this immunity, and he’s going to answer the questions – and wants to talk – or we’re going to leave. And if we leave, we’re ripping up his immunity agreement, and his can be added to the indictment"

Wow! That sounds like it could have been ripped right from a Law & Order script. I can hear Sam Waterston's character Jack McCoy saying this to a defendant's two-bit lawyer.

Stacyhs · 6th May 2023, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

That is possibly a thing his lawyers have told him to do. There are people who are good at analyzing facial expressions for truthfulness and lying - and prosecutors use them. One of the ways to defeat facial expression analysis, or at least to make yourself very hard to read, is to maintain a flat, expressionless demeanor - e.g. acting as if you don't care or are disinterested in whatever is happening, not responding emotionally to provocative questions. There are other aspects to this, but The Fat Orange Turd isn't smart enough to understand those.

No, there are people who claim they can analyze facial expressions for deceit or not. It's a pseudoscience promoted by self-proclaimed "body language experts" on the internet who make a living selling their books and courses or gullible people. Studies do not support that facial expressions can be interpreted for deceit reliably or consistently. It's one of those common myths.

Stacyhs · 6th May 2023, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

But wait, there's more

In a transcript of a conversation between one of Fani Willis' prosecutors, Nathan Wade, and the lawyer for eight of the fake electors, Kimberly Debrow, this exchange took place...

“Here’s the deal. Here’s the deal. Either [Elector E] is going to get this immunity, and he’s going to answer the questions – and wants to talk – or we’re going to leave. And if we leave, we’re ripping up his immunity agreement, and his can be added to the indictment"

Wow! That sounds like it could have been ripped right from a Law & Order script. I can hear Sam Waterston's character Jack McCoy saying this to a defendant's two-bit lawyer.

Sounds like there's going to be an indictment.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th May 2023, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

No, there are people who claim they can analyze facial expressions for deceit or not. It's a pseudoscience promoted by self-proclaimed "body language experts" on the internet who make a living selling their books and courses or gullible people. Studies do not support that facial expressions can be interpreted for deceit reliably or consistently. It's one of those common myths.

[sidetrack] There is a whole thread on this and while the body language interpretation can often be a fail, there are micro-facial expressions that can reveal lying. It can still be gotten around by good actors of course. But there is more science to it than just reading body language. [/sidetrack ... anything else will need to hunt down that thread. I'm not going to debate anyone here about it]

Regnad Kcin · 6th May 2023, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

He claimed in the deposition that the photo was blurry. It’s clearly not. Trump’s refused to wear reading glasses in the past out of vanity - so that might help explain it. Though not excuse it, mind you.

Or it’s as simple as: he can’t/won’t under any circumstances admit he’s wrong, so the error has to have a different reason. No matter how idiotic.

Stacyhs · 6th May 2023, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

[sidetrack] There is a whole thread on this and while the body language interpretation can often be a fail,there are micro-facial expressions that can reveal lying. It can still be gotten around by good actors of course. But there is more science to it than just reading body language. [/sidetrack ... anything else will need to hunt down that thread. I'm not going to debate anyone here about it]

Totally disagree from the research I've done. But, as you said, it's a sidetrack so I won't discuss it further here, either.

Norman Alexander · 7th May 2023, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

[sidetrack] There is a whole thread on this and while the body language interpretation can often be a fail, there are micro-facial expressions that can reveal lying. It can still be gotten around by good actors of course. But there is more science to it than just reading body language. [/sidetrack ... anything else will need to hunt down that thread. I'm not going to debate anyone here about it]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Totally disagree from the research I've done. But, as you said, it's a sidetrack so I won't discuss it further here, either.

Easier explanation that does not require this debate at all: Trump lies ALL the time, even when he doesn't have to. So his facial or other expressions are irrelevant.

Stacyhs · 7th May 2023, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Easier explanation that does not require this debate at all: Trump lies ALL the time, even when he doesn't have to. So his facial or other expressions are irrelevant.

Ya got a point there.

MRC_Hans · 7th May 2023, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

No, there are people who claim they can analyze facial expressions for deceit or not. It's a pseudoscience promoted by self-proclaimed "body language experts" on the internet who make a living selling their books and courses or gullible people. Studies do not support that facial expressions can be interpreted for deceit reliably or consistently. It's one of those common myths.

What I have found from observing the face of T**** (nasty business, but I took that one for the team) is:

1) He has a fairly smooth face for his age.

2) In general he shows very little facial expressions.

3) When he does show expressions, talking to a crowd, etc., they are exaggerated, almost farcical.

My suggestion is that he on Botox. His face is normally a mask, and when he tries to make an impression, he has to overdo it, fake it (like everything else).

Hans

Stacyhs · 7th May 2023, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

What I have found from observing the face of T**** (nasty business, but I took that one for the team) is:

1) He has a fairly smooth face for his age.

2) In general he shows very little facial expressions.

3) When he does show expressions, talking to a crowd, etc., they are exaggerated, almost farcical.

My suggestion is that he on Botox. His face is normally a mask, and when he tries to make an impression, he has to overdo it, fake it (like everything else).

Hans

Botox is quite possible with his narcissism. His use of fake tan in such an obvious (and poorly applied) way is evidence of his vanity.

alfaniner · 7th May 2023, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

What I have found from observing the face of T**** (nasty business, but I took that one for the team) is:

1) He has a fairly smooth face for his age.

2) In general he shows very little facial expressions.

3) When he does show expressions, talking to a crowd, etc., they are exaggerated, almost farcical.

My suggestion is that he on Botox. His face is normally a mask, and when he tries to make an impression, he has to overdo it, fake it (like everything else).

Hans

Like a leather shoe that never gets worn, his face has not developed "character" lines.

Segnosaur · 7th May 2023, 03:27 PM

To nobody's surprise, Trump will not be testifying in the new York civil trial over the Carroll case involving sexual assault.

Trump's lawyers said he would not testify, but during a trip overseas Trump claimed he would "probably" return to new York for the trial. But the judge had given him a deadline of Sunday to officially indicate that he would testify. That deadline has now passed, with no word from Trump

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/07/polit...ony/index.html

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shemp · 7th May 2023, 04:29 PM