Criminal Charges Against Trump / Trump Indicted Part II - Page 5

dudalb · 9th May 2023, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Pacal

That is scary!! and very sad!

And it is only a matter of time before we know who the jury members were....
Trump is not going down without violence.

Orphia Nay · 9th May 2023, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

I know it stinks that he got off on the rape allegation, but the analysis I've seen says she raised the doubt when she said , and I'm paraphrasing, she didn't know if it was his fingers or his penis that entered her. And remember, Trump has those little tiny hands, and as such, pretty tiny fingers too.
So you can infer what you like here, but I'm still thinking he did it, and it was just so small, she couldn't be sure what it was. Right or wrong, that's what I'm thinking, and I'm sticking to it.

Yes, Trump was found guilty of sexual assault.

acbytesla · 9th May 2023, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

What if he appealed, and the second jury took a look at the evidence again and said, "Yeah, you know what. You did actually rape her too. Guilty of defamation, sexual assault, AND rape. Five million won't cut it for that. It's cell time for you."

It's a civil case. They could increase the award but he won't be going to jail.

For this.

dudalb · 9th May 2023, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

Yes, Trump was found guilty of sexual assault.

Actually, Guilty is a concept restricted to criminal law, so technically Trump was not found guilty, but it indeed a distinction without any clear difference.

Tero · 9th May 2023, 04:28 PM

He is puzzled. Disgraceful verdict! And he never met the woman.

acbytesla · 9th May 2023, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Actually, Guilty is a concept restricted to criminal law, so technically Trump was not found guilty, but it indeed a distinction without any clear difference.

Yeah, technically "liable."

I didn’t see how he could not be found liable. He was accused of saying that E Jean Carroll was not his type on one hand and then mistaking her for his ex wife.

He was accused of sexual battery and Trump admitted that he committed sexual battery on tape. That it was his MO.

He said celebrities fortunately can committ sexual battery
And that he was a celebrity.

Trump got lucky not being found liable for rape. But I can see why someone wouldn't go that far. And it only takes one. And unlike a criminal trial where a single juror can result in a hung jury and days of deliberation, one dissenting juror is all that is required for a "not liable" verdict.

Norman Alexander · 9th May 2023, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

It's a civil case. They could increase the award but he won't be going to jail.

For this.

US civil cases don't end in jail time? And sexual assault and rape are civil law crimes?

acbytesla · 9th May 2023, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Tero

He is puzzled. Disgraceful verdict! And he never met the woman.

Trump can't help himself. Even this is a lie. See photo of him meeting the woman.

Stacyhs · 9th May 2023, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

US civil cases don't end in jail time?

No. I don't know of any country where a civil suit ends in jail time. Criminal cases do.

Quote:

And sexual assault and rape are civil law crimes?

No, they are usually criminal cases but the statute of limitations had passed for a criminal charge to be brought. However, a recent change in NY law allowed civil lawsuits to be brought past the criminal statute of limitations.

Stacyhs · 9th May 2023, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Trump can't help himself. Even this is a lie. See photo of him meeting the woman.

Who are you going to believe? Trump or your lying eyes?

newyorkguy · 9th May 2023, 04:44 PM

It is being reported the jury awarded Carroll $2 million in damages for sexual abuse and $3 million for defamatory posts trump made on social media network.

Quote:

In two posts, Trump said the case was “a made up SCAM,” called her lawyer “a political operative, financed by a big political donor.” He also wrote “Does anybody believe that I would take a then almost 60 year old woman that I didn’t know, from the front door of a very crowded department store, (with me being very well known, to put it mildly!), into a tiny dressing room, and …. her.” The jury said they determined Trump knew his statement about the lawsuit being a hoax was false, and thus defamatory under New York’s stringent standard of “actual malice.” Gizmodo news link

But trump just doesn't seem to get it. After hearing the verdict he posted on Truth Social:

By the way, if the attack occurred in 1995-1996, Carroll would have been 52-53 years old, 3 years older than donnie, not 'almost 60 years old.'

alfaniner · 9th May 2023, 04:45 PM

I have to wonder if the TV Town Hall scheduled and heavily promoted on CNN for tomorrow night is going to go ahead. I know it will only feature GOP supporters and a set of rules about which questions can and cannot be asked.

If it proceeds I'm definitely... recording it so I can look at the juicy bits later (although we know CNN will repeat those endlessly anyway.)

Stacyhs · 9th May 2023, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

I have to wonder if the TV Town Hall scheduled and heavily promoted on CNN for tomorrow night is going to go ahead. I know it will only feature GOP supporters and a set of rules about which questions can and cannot be asked.

If it proceeds I'm definitely... recording it so I can look at the juicy bits later (although we know CNN will repeat those endlessly anyway.)

Don't be surprised if no questions about today's verdict can be asked. I'll wait for Donnie's Greatest Moments from the Town Hall on CNN or Youtube.

newyorkguy · 9th May 2023, 04:58 PM

As Sgt. Joe Friday would have put it, "How's that again?" NYPD Blue detective Andy Sipowicz would probably have punched trump in the face and snarled, "I don't like a liar!"

acbytesla · 9th May 2023, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

US civil cases don't end in jail time? And sexual assault and rape are civil law crimes?

No. Civil cases do not result in incarceration in the US. Sexual assault and rape can be criminally prosecuted as well as result in a civil suit pressed by a victim.

A local district attorney would/could have prosecuted Trump at the time. But it is more than likely he wouldn't have. This was a he said/she said situation and even then Trump was politically powerful. A prosecutor would also require a unanimous jury and a higher standard of evidence. Because a defendant is facing possible incarceration, a jury would have to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

In a civil case, a jury decides on the preponderance of the evidence. That it is more likely than not.

a_unique_person · 9th May 2023, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

US civil cases don't end in jail time? And sexual assault and rape are civil law crimes?

This is a civil case. Different rules to a criminal case.

Norman Alexander · 9th May 2023, 05:05 PM

So Trump has been found guilty of "sexual assault" in a civil case, and he just pays a pittance and walks away?

I'm remaining puzzled how sexual assault, what would by all accounts be a criminal situation, is being decided in a civil court.

a_unique_person · 9th May 2023, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

So Trump has been found guilty of "sexual assault" in a civil case, and he just pays a pittance and walks away?

I'm remaining puzzled how sexual assault, what would by all accounts be a criminal situation, is being decided in a civil court.

That was the angle that the lawyers took for the plaintiff. For reasons.

Stacyhs · 9th May 2023, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

So Trump has been found guilty of "sexual assault" in a civil case, and he just pays a pittance and walks away?

I'm remaining puzzled how sexual assault, what would by all accounts be a criminal situation, is being decided in a civil court.

As I explained to you several posts above: No, they are usually criminal cases but the statute of limitations had passed for a criminal charge to be brought. However, a recent change in NY law allowed civil lawsuits to be brought past the criminal statute of limitations.

Stacyhs · 9th May 2023, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

That was the angle that the lawyers took for the plaintiff. For reasons.

No. The reason was that they could not legally charge Trump criminally because the statute of limitations had passed. But a civil suit could be brought due to a NY statute allowing adult victims of sexual assault to sue when the criminal statute of limitations had passed.

Carroll first sued only for defamation but amended her lawsuit for sexual assault when the NY statute past allowing her to sue for that, too.

Quote:

Carroll, who's already suing Trump for defamation over his denials and comments about her following the assault allegations, filed the new battery lawsuit in Manhattan federal court on Thanksgiving Day.

That's when New York state's recently approved Adult Survivors Act opened a one-year window for survivors of sexual assault that occurred when they were past age 18 to sue alleged abusers, no matter when an assault may have occurred.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...e/10726232002/

acbytesla · 9th May 2023, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

So Trump has been found guilty of "sexual assault" in a civil case, and he just pays a pittance and walks away?

I'm remaining puzzled how sexual assault, what would by all accounts be a criminal situation, is being decided in a civil court.

No. Trump was found liable. A guilty verdict only occurs in a criminal trial. A guilty verdict requires a jury to find beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump committed this offense

This was a civil suit between E. Jean Carroll and Donald Trump. She is suing him for money. And in civil suits, juries decide what is more likely. I doubt I would find him criminally guilty. But I definitely would find him legally liable.

Stacyhs · 9th May 2023, 05:44 PM

When OJ Simpson was acquitted on the criminal murder charges of Nicole Simpson and Ronald Goldman, he was sued by Goldman's father in civil court. The court found him liable for their deaths and awarded Fred Goldman over $33 million.

alfaniner · 9th May 2023, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

When OJ Simpson was acquitted on the criminal murder charges of Nicole Simpson and Ronald Goldman, he was sued by Goldman's father in civil court. The court found him liable for their deaths and awarded Fred Goldman over $33 million.

I was reminded that when both of them (The FPDJT and Simpson) were asked if they did it they said "100 percent 'No!'"

Regnad Kcin · 9th May 2023, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Trump can't help himself. Even this is a lie. See photo of him meeting the woman.

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Who are you going to believe? Trump or your lying eyes?

pHOtoShoP!!#1!eleventy!!

Stacyhs · 9th May 2023, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

pHOtoShoP!!#1!eleventy!!

Sadly, I would not be in the least surprised if that's exactly what some Trump cult members claim.

arthwollipot · 9th May 2023, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Resume

May this be only the first of many bad legal outcomes for the Diapered One. He may never pay a dime, nor do a dime, but it will hound him until he croaks because he must realize this is how history will remember him.

He is mentally incapable of thinking that history will remember him as anything other than a persecuted hero.

Norman Alexander · 9th May 2023, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

He is mentally incapable of thinking that history will remember him as anything other than a persecuted hero.

No, just this bit. He operates only with his crocodillian core, no grey matter.

alfaniner · 9th May 2023, 07:13 PM

I wonder if any of his post-trial comments could be considered additional defamation. We know he's not going to shut up about it. Say he calls her a liar. (Note: he wouldn't do it just one time.) Is that grounds for a new trial?

DallasDad · 9th May 2023, 07:16 PM

With appeals and delays and such, will 45 ever pay her a cent?

acbytesla · 9th May 2023, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by DallasDad

With appeals and delays and such, will 45 ever pay her a cent?

Yes he will. Or his estate will.

arthwollipot · 9th May 2023, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Yes he will. Or his estate will.

And he won't even notice.

acbytesla · 9th May 2023, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

I wonder if any of his post-trial comments could be considered additional defamation. We know he's not going to shut up about it. Say he calls her a liar. (Note: he wouldn't do it just one time.) Is that grounds for a new trial?

I posed that question earlier. The answer is it is. That is, that it could be grounds for a second suit for defamation. But Carroll would have to prove that additional damages were inflicted.

acbytesla · 9th May 2023, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

And he won't even notice.

It's not likely that Trump would notice other than seeing less money in his bank account any way. It's not like he'll being eating canned tuna instead of steak.

tyr_13 · 9th May 2023, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

pHOtoShoP!!#1!eleventy!!

Annoyingly some lawyers have been claiming that videos of their clients are deepfakes, even though they are real, unaltered recordings. I don't understand how that isn't a violation of the rules of candor worthy of sanctions if not disbarment for repeated lies.

The Great Zaganza · 9th May 2023, 07:39 PM

This verdict is proof that Trump can be beaten in Court.

It might make others less reluctant to sue him.

arthwollipot · 9th May 2023, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

It's not likely that Trump would notice other than seeing less money in his bank account any way. It's not like he'll being eating canned tuna instead of steak.

Do you think he ever even looks at his bank account?

acbytesla · 9th May 2023, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Do you think he ever even looks at his bank account?

I bet he does. Trump is obsessed with it.

Norman Alexander · 9th May 2023, 09:05 PM

Trump doesn't have a bank account. He has lines of credit with unnamed finance sources through multiple levels of obfuscation. Most seem to lead back towards Moscow, Riyadh and Beijing.

acbytesla · 9th May 2023, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Trump doesn't have a bank account. He has lines of credit with unnamed finance sources through multiple levels of obfuscation. Most seem to lead back towards Moscow, Riyadh and Beijing.

LOCs are lines in your bank statements. I'm also convinced that some of that is converted to cash. But I agree with the rest.

Segnosaur · 9th May 2023, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Quote:

On the rape itself, "No."
On virtually everything else, yes, he did it.

Well the bolded decision is disappointing. Seems like it will give Trump years of appeals.

My concern isn't so much the appeals... its the optics of it in a political sense.

The MAGAchud will look at the decision and say "see? He's innocent! He didn't rape her!". And they will ignore everything else that was in the decision.. the defamation, the other aspects of the assault, etc.

9th May 2023, 03:42 PM	#162
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Photo Contest Winner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 41,966	Originally Posted by Mike! I know it stinks that he got off on the rape allegation, but the analysis I've seen says she raised the doubt when she said , and I'm paraphrasing, she didn't know if it was his fingers or his penis that entered her. And remember, Trump has those little tiny hands, and as such, pretty tiny fingers too. So you can infer what you like here, but I'm still thinking he did it, and it was just so small, she couldn't be sure what it was. Right or wrong, that's what I'm thinking, and I'm sticking to it. Yes, Trump was found guilty of sexual assault.
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9th May 2023, 03:49 PM	#163
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,712	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander What if he appealed, and the second jury took a look at the evidence again and said, "Yeah, you know what. You did actually rape her too. Guilty of defamation, sexual assault, AND rape. Five million won't cut it for that. It's cell time for you." It's a civil case. They could increase the award but he won't be going to jail. For this.
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9th May 2023, 04:28 PM	#165
Tero Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 3,076	He is puzzled. Disgraceful verdict! And he never met the woman.
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9th May 2023, 04:30 PM	#166
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,712	Originally Posted by dudalb Actually, Guilty is a concept restricted to criminal law, so technically Trump was not found guilty, but it indeed a distinction without any clear difference. Yeah, technically "liable." I didn’t see how he could not be found liable. He was accused of saying that E Jean Carroll was not his type on one hand and then mistaking her for his ex wife. He was accused of sexual battery and Trump admitted that he committed sexual battery on tape. That it was his MO. He said celebrities fortunately can committ sexual battery And that he was a celebrity. Trump got lucky not being found liable for rape. But I can see why someone wouldn't go that far. And it only takes one. And unlike a criminal trial where a single juror can result in a hung jury and days of deliberation, one dissenting juror is all that is required for a "not liable" verdict.
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9th May 2023, 04:31 PM	#167
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,982	Originally Posted by acbytesla It's a civil case. They could increase the award but he won't be going to jail. For this. US civil cases don't end in jail time? And sexual assault and rape are civil law crimes?
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9th May 2023, 03:04 PM	#161
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by Pacal That is scary!! and very sad! And it is only a matter of time before we know who the jury members were.... Trump is not going down without violence.

9th May 2023, 04:05 PM	#164
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay Yes, Trump was found guilty of sexual assault. Actually, Guilty is a concept restricted to criminal law, so technically Trump was not found guilty, but it indeed a distinction without any clear difference.

9th May 2023, 04:33 PM	#168
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,712	Originally Posted by Tero He is puzzled. Disgraceful verdict! And he never met the woman. Trump can't help himself. Even this is a lie. See photo of him meeting the woman.
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9th May 2023, 04:37 PM	#169
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander US civil cases don't end in jail time? No. I don't know of any country where a civil suit ends in jail time. Criminal cases do. Quote: And sexual assault and rape are civil law crimes? No, they are usually criminal cases but the statute of limitations had passed for a criminal charge to be brought. However, a recent change in NY law allowed civil lawsuits to be brought past the criminal statute of limitations.

9th May 2023, 04:38 PM	#170
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Originally Posted by acbytesla Trump can't help himself. Even this is a lie. See photo of him meeting the woman. Who are you going to believe? Trump or your lying eyes?

9th May 2023, 04:44 PM	#171
newyorkguy Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NY Posts: 13,077	It is being reported the jury awarded Carroll $2 million in damages for sexual abuse and $3 million for defamatory posts trump made on social media network. Quote: In two posts, Trump said the case was “a made up SCAM,” called her lawyer “a political operative, financed by a big political donor.” He also wrote “Does anybody believe that I would take a then almost 60 year old woman that I didn’t know, from the front door of a very crowded department store, (with me being very well known, to put it mildly!), into a tiny dressing room, and …. her.” The jury said they determined Trump knew his statement about the lawsuit being a hoax was false, and thus defamatory under New York’s stringent standard of “actual malice.” Gizmodo news link But trump just doesn't seem to get it. After hearing the verdict he posted on Truth Social: By the way, if the attack occurred in 1995-1996, Carroll would have been 52-53 years old, 3 years older than donnie, not 'almost 60 years old.'

9th May 2023, 04:45 PM	#172
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 27,901	I have to wonder if the TV Town Hall scheduled and heavily promoted on CNN for tomorrow night is going to go ahead. I know it will only feature GOP supporters and a set of rules about which questions can and cannot be asked. If it proceeds I'm definitely... recording it so I can look at the juicy bits later (although we know CNN will repeat those endlessly anyway.)
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9th May 2023, 04:50 PM	#173
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Originally Posted by alfaniner I have to wonder if the TV Town Hall scheduled and heavily promoted on CNN for tomorrow night is going to go ahead. I know it will only feature GOP supporters and a set of rules about which questions can and cannot be asked. If it proceeds I'm definitely... recording it so I can look at the juicy bits later (although we know CNN will repeat those endlessly anyway.) Don't be surprised if no questions about today's verdict can be asked. I'll wait for Donnie's Greatest Moments from the Town Hall on CNN or Youtube.

9th May 2023, 04:58 PM	#175
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,712	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander US civil cases don't end in jail time? And sexual assault and rape are civil law crimes? No. Civil cases do not result in incarceration in the US. Sexual assault and rape can be criminally prosecuted as well as result in a civil suit pressed by a victim. A local district attorney would/could have prosecuted Trump at the time. But it is more than likely he wouldn't have. This was a he said/she said situation and even then Trump was politically powerful. A prosecutor would also require a unanimous jury and a higher standard of evidence. Because a defendant is facing possible incarceration, a jury would have to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, a jury decides on the preponderance of the evidence. That it is more likely than not.
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9th May 2023, 05:03 PM	#176
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 45,256	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander US civil cases don't end in jail time? And sexual assault and rape are civil law crimes? This is a civil case. Different rules to a criminal case.
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9th May 2023, 05:05 PM	#177
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,982	So Trump has been found guilty of "sexual assault" in a civil case, and he just pays a pittance and walks away? I'm remaining puzzled how sexual assault, what would by all accounts be a criminal situation, is being decided in a civil court.
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9th May 2023, 05:14 PM	#178
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 45,256	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander So Trump has been found guilty of "sexual assault" in a civil case, and he just pays a pittance and walks away? I'm remaining puzzled how sexual assault, what would by all accounts be a criminal situation, is being decided in a civil court. That was the angle that the lawyers took for the plaintiff. For reasons.
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9th May 2023, 05:16 PM	#179
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander So Trump has been found guilty of "sexual assault" in a civil case, and he just pays a pittance and walks away? I'm remaining puzzled how sexual assault, what would by all accounts be a criminal situation, is being decided in a civil court. As I explained to you several posts above: No, they are usually criminal cases but the statute of limitations had passed for a criminal charge to be brought. However, a recent change in NY law allowed civil lawsuits to be brought past the criminal statute of limitations.

9th May 2023, 05:23 PM	#180
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Originally Posted by a_unique_person That was the angle that the lawyers took for the plaintiff. For reasons. No. The reason was that they could not legally charge Trump criminally because the statute of limitations had passed. But a civil suit could be brought due to a NY statute allowing adult victims of sexual assault to sue when the criminal statute of limitations had passed. Carroll first sued only for defamation but amended her lawsuit for sexual assault when the NY statute past allowing her to sue for that, too. Quote: Carroll, who's already suing Trump for defamation over his denials and comments about her following the assault allegations, filed the new battery lawsuit in Manhattan federal court on Thanksgiving Day. That's when New York state's recently approved Adult Survivors Act opened a one-year window for survivors of sexual assault that occurred when they were past age 18 to sue alleged abusers, no matter when an assault may have occurred. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...e/10726232002/

9th May 2023, 05:27 PM	#181
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,712	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander So Trump has been found guilty of "sexual assault" in a civil case, and he just pays a pittance and walks away? I'm remaining puzzled how sexual assault, what would by all accounts be a criminal situation, is being decided in a civil court. No. Trump was found liable. A guilty verdict only occurs in a criminal trial. A guilty verdict requires a jury to find beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump committed this offense This was a civil suit between E. Jean Carroll and Donald Trump. She is suing him for money. And in civil suits, juries decide what is more likely. I doubt I would find him criminally guilty. But I definitely would find him legally liable.
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9th May 2023, 05:44 PM	#182
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	When OJ Simpson was acquitted on the criminal murder charges of Nicole Simpson and Ronald Goldman, he was sued by Goldman's father in civil court. The court found him liable for their deaths and awarded Fred Goldman over $33 million.

9th May 2023, 05:47 PM	#183
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 27,901	Originally Posted by Stacyhs When OJ Simpson was acquitted on the criminal murder charges of Nicole Simpson and Ronald Goldman, he was sued by Goldman's father in civil court. The court found him liable for their deaths and awarded Fred Goldman over $33 million. I was reminded that when both of them (The FPDJT and Simpson) were asked if they did it they said "100 percent 'No!'"
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9th May 2023, 05:54 PM	#184
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The old Same place Posts: 10,842	Originally Posted by acbytesla Trump can't help himself. Even this is a lie. See photo of him meeting the woman. Originally Posted by Stacyhs Who are you going to believe? Trump or your lying eyes? pHOtoShoP!!#1!eleventy!!
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9th May 2023, 06:08 PM	#185
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,320	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin pHOtoShoP!!#1!eleventy!! Sadly, I would not be in the least surprised if that's exactly what some Trump cult members claim.

9th May 2023, 06:22 PM	#186
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,098	Originally Posted by Resume May this be only the first of many bad legal outcomes for the Diapered One. He may never pay a dime, nor do a dime, but it will hound him until he croaks because he must realize this is how history will remember him. He is mentally incapable of thinking that history will remember him as anything other than a persecuted hero.
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9th May 2023, 06:24 PM	#187
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,982	Originally Posted by arthwollipot He is mentally incapable of thinking that history will remember him as anything other than a persecuted hero. No, just this bit. He operates only with his crocodillian core, no grey matter.
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9th May 2023, 07:13 PM	#188
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 27,901	I wonder if any of his post-trial comments could be considered additional defamation. We know he's not going to shut up about it. Say he calls her a liar. (Note: he wouldn't do it just one time.) Is that grounds for a new trial?
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9th May 2023, 07:16 PM	#189
DallasDad Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,000	With appeals and delays and such, will 45 ever pay her a cent?

9th May 2023, 07:22 PM	#190
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,712	Originally Posted by DallasDad With appeals and delays and such, will 45 ever pay her a cent? Yes he will. Or his estate will.
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9th May 2023, 07:24 PM	#191
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,098	Originally Posted by acbytesla Yes he will. Or his estate will. And he won't even notice.
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9th May 2023, 07:31 PM	#192
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,712	Originally Posted by alfaniner I wonder if any of his post-trial comments could be considered additional defamation. We know he's not going to shut up about it. Say he calls her a liar. (Note: he wouldn't do it just one time.) Is that grounds for a new trial? I posed that question earlier. The answer is it is. That is, that it could be grounds for a second suit for defamation. But Carroll would have to prove that additional damages were inflicted.
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9th May 2023, 07:36 PM	#193
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,712	Originally Posted by arthwollipot And he won't even notice. It's not likely that Trump would notice other than seeing less money in his bank account any way. It's not like he'll being eating canned tuna instead of steak.
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9th May 2023, 07:36 PM	#194
tyr_13 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 17,629	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin pHOtoShoP!!#1!eleventy!! Annoyingly some lawyers have been claiming that videos of their clients are deepfakes, even though they are real, unaltered recordings. I don't understand how that isn't a violation of the rules of candor worthy of sanctions if not disbarment for repeated lies.
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9th May 2023, 07:39 PM	#195
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9th May 2023, 07:39 PM	#196
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,098	Originally Posted by acbytesla It's not likely that Trump would notice other than seeing less money in his bank account any way. It's not like he'll being eating canned tuna instead of steak. Do you think he ever even looks at his bank account?
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