Criminal Charges Against Trump / Trump Indicted Part II - Page 8

Stacyhs · 22nd May 2023, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Reformed Offlian

Pumps for Trump!

Heels for a Heel!

eerok · 22nd May 2023, 05:33 AM

Clogs for a clodpole.

ZirconBlue · 22nd May 2023, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Wow, just Googled Boris Epshteyn. He is a distillation of just about all the nasty characters and dubious contacts that we have long associated with Trump behind the scenes - dodgy offshore banking, Russian contacts, failed businesses, direction and coordination of 6-Jan... Real piece of work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Epshteyn

That looks like how Sean Connery would have pronounced "Epstein".

arthwollipot · 23rd May 2023, 12:59 AM

Not a criminal charge, but...

E Jean Carroll files for new damages after Trump’s CNN town hall remarks

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Author’s court filing comes after the ex-president demeaned her a day after being found liable for sexual abuse

Author and columnist E Jean Carroll is going back to court to demand “very substantial” additional damages from Donald Trump for the disparaging remarks he made about her during a televised CNN town hall just a day after he was found liable in a civil case for sexually assaulting her.

An amended lawsuit seeking an additional $10m in compensatory damages – and more in punitive damages – was filed in Manhattan on Monday by lawyers for Carroll, who say remarks made by the former president in response to her rape allegations have so spoiled her reputation that she lost her longtime job as an Elle magazine advice columnist.

P.J. Denyer · 23rd May 2023, 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by eerok

Clogs for a clodpole.

Hobnail boots because I don't care if it rhymes so long as it hurts.

smartcooky · 23rd May 2023, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by ZirconBlue

That looks like how Sean Connery would have pronounced "Epstein".

That would be "Boorish Esphstyn"

varwoche · 23rd May 2023, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by ZirconBlue

That looks like how Sean Connery would have pronounced "Epstein".

Yes. Sounds like a character from a Mel Brooks movie.

Mike! · 23rd May 2023, 12:47 PM

It's not a gag order...

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Trump’s attorney said that the former president remains concerned that the order infringes on his First Amendment rights.

“He understands that he has to comply with the order, and if he doesn’t do so, he’s violating your order,” Blanche said during the hearing.

Merchan reiterated that there is not a gag order in place and Trump can publicly defend himself against the allegations related to this case.

And it's not that we don't trust you, it's that we can't trust you.

Quote:

Trump can only view some evidence designated by prosecutors as “limited dissemination materials” in the presence of his attorneys and cannot “copy, photograph, transcribe, or otherwise independently possess” that evidence, per the order.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/23/polit...ing/index.html

welshdean · 23rd May 2023, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Trump can only view some evidence designated by prosecutors as “limited dissemination materials” in the presence of his attorneys and cannot “copy, photograph, transcribe, or otherwise independently possess” that evidence, per the order.

But surely as the ex-greatest-president-ever, he can just do another jedi mind trick with sensitive documents and simply make them 'unsealed'?

Stacyhs · 23rd May 2023, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by welshdean

But surely as the ~~ex-~~greatest-president-ever, he can just do another jedi mind trick with sensitive documents and simply make them 'unsealed'?

I fixed that for you,

Donald J. Trump

Darat · 23rd May 2023, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

It's not a gag order...

And it's not that we don't trust you, it's that we can't trust you.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/23/polit...ing/index.html

Wouldn’t matter if he had the documents or not - we know he doesn’t read - he has people to do that for him. And could you imagine him sitting for hours at a time to patiently go over everything?

Stacyhs · 23rd May 2023, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

Wouldn’t matter if he had the documents or not - we know he doesn’t read - he has people to do that for him. And could you imagine him sitting for hours at a time to patiently go over everything?

Watching Trump rally footage where he can watch himself being gloriously himself and idiots cheering him on would keep him glued to the TV for hours and hours.

JoeMorgue · 23rd May 2023, 06:50 PM

I don't think there's a force in the universe; political, criminal, or social, that can convince Donald J. Trump to keep his mouth shut.

My fear/worry is I'm not 100% sure there's a force in the universe; political, criminal, or social, that can/will make Donald J. Trump face meaningful consequences for not keeping his mouth shut.

He'll ignore the order, incite more hate and violence, and a flustered "Well you can't do that! Someone tell him he can't do that louder he must not have heard us the first time!" will be the only response.

He still has four hand picked toadies on the Supreme Court and an Army of Followers willing to commit violence on his behalf.

How much he can **** around before finding out still remains an undefined variable.

smartcooky · 23rd May 2023, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I don't think there's a force in the universe; political, criminal, or social, that can convince Donald J. Trump to keep his mouth shut.

My fear/worry is I'm not 100% sure there's a force in the universe; political, criminal, or social, that can/will make Donald J. Trump face meaningful consequences for not keeping his mouth shut..

Well there is one force in the universe that could at least silence him by making unhearable - a judge with the cajones to lock him up and put him in solitary until trial so that he can scream into the void all he wants, and no-one can hear him.

Skeptic Ginger · 23rd May 2023, 09:02 PM

Lock him up for a couple days and I'll bet he'll shut up. It's clear he doesn't think a monetary fine and a conviction matter. He's above that.

Orphia Nay · 23rd May 2023, 09:07 PM

News on the hush-money criminal case.

https://apnews.com/article/cc2dbf565...46a96b0fd1f461

"NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump threw up his hands in frustration Tuesday as a judge scheduled his criminal trial for March 25, putting the former president and current candidate in a Manhattan courtroom in the heat of next year’s presidential primary season.

"Trump, appearing by video conference at a pretrial hearing in the hush-money case, glowered at the camera as Judge Juan Manuel Merchan advised him to cancel all other obligations for the duration of the trial, which could last several weeks."

'“Very unfair, but this is exactly what the Radical Left Democrats wanted,” Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform. “It’s called ELECTION INTERFERENCE, and nothing like this has ever happened in our Country before!!!”'

Nice of him to admit no election 'interference' has ever happened before.

Norman Alexander · 23rd May 2023, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

News on the hush-money criminal case.

https://apnews.com/article/cc2dbf565...46a96b0fd1f461

"NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump threw up his hands in frustration Tuesday as a judge scheduled his criminal trial for March 25, putting the former president and current candidate in a Manhattan courtroom in the heat of next year’s presidential primary season.

"Trump, appearing by video conference at a pretrial hearing in the hush-money case, glowered at the camera as Judge Juan Manuel Merchan advised him to cancel all other obligations for the duration of the trial, which could last several weeks."

'“Very unfair, but this is exactly what the Radical Left Democrats wanted,” Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform. “It’s called ELECTION INTERFERENCE, and nothing like this has ever happened in our Country before!!!”'

Nice of him to admit no election 'interference' has ever happened before.

This could be contempt, and serious contempt at that. He has yet to learn the lesson to keep his yap shut about court stuff.

smartcooky · 24th May 2023, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Lock him up for a couple days and I'll bet he'll shut up. It's clear he doesn't think a monetary fine and a conviction matter. He's above that.

Three days on the north side of "The Bridge of Pain" will give him a taste!

Gulliver Foyle · 24th May 2023, 03:22 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I don't think there's a force in the universe; political, criminal, or social, that can convince Donald J. Trump to keep his mouth shut.

My fear/worry is I'm not 100% sure there's a force in the universe; political, criminal, or social, that can/will make Donald J. Trump face meaningful consequences for not keeping his mouth shut.

He'll ignore the order, incite more hate and violence, and a flustered "Well you can't do that! Someone tell him he can't do that louder he must not have heard us the first time!" will be the only response.

He still has four hand picked toadies on the Supreme Court and an Army of Followers willing to commit violence on his behalf.

How much he can **** around before finding out still remains an undefined variable.

Stick him in the chokey for contempt. Trumpy boy is a coward to his bones, and being stuck in jail, even just overnight, is going to bring out that cowardice in spades.

The reason he acts with impunity is not because he's unafraid of the consequences, it's because he's never faced consequences.

JoeMorgue · 24th May 2023, 05:58 AM

I repeat. 4 hand picked toadies on the Supreme Court.

If he's in jail for contempt that's because that's where he wants to be.

Segnosaur · 24th May 2023, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I repeat. 4 hand picked toadies on the Supreme Court.

If he's in jail for contempt that's because that's where he wants to be.

I am not sure if the supreme court will offer Trump much protection.

I am not saying people like Drunky McRapeface and the Stepford Wife have any integrity. (Far from it.) I think they are eager to install a christian theocracy in the U.S. I just don't think they are beholden to Trump personally. They may try to help him out in more... subtle... ways (such as "lets let trump tie his tax case up in appeals for years") rather than directly. (Remember, the supreme court did not intervene in his attempt to overturn the 2020 election.)

Plus, the possible contempt charge might be coming from a state-level judge. I'm not sure how much influence the supreme court would have on that, and even if they could step in, it is probably something that would take at least a little time. (After all, paperwork has to be filed, etc.) So Trump might very well spend at least a night in jail while his lawyers try to catch the ear of the supreme court.

The Great Zaganza · 24th May 2023, 06:38 AM

I have no doubt that this SC will bend over backwards for Trump.
That is why State prosecutors and judges are so extremely careful not to give any reason for appeals, and why they keep their cards so close to the vest.

If they treated Trump like the criminal he is, we would already have a couple of his appeals before the Judges.

Darat · 24th May 2023, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

I am not sure if the supreme court will offer Trump much protection.

I am not saying people like Drunky McRapeface and the Stepford Wife have any integrity. (Far from it.) I think they are eager to install a christian theocracy in the U.S. I just don't think they are beholden to Trump personally.

...snip....

I agree - they are all transactionists. What can Trump do for them now? We know he won't be paying for their holidays, paying for their kids to attend private school and such so they have no reason to support Trump. Unless something to do with Trump aligns with what their current sponsors' want.

JoeMorgue · 24th May 2023, 07:07 AM

Trump is still their clearest path to a Christian Theocracy. That's harder if he's in prison.

Do not think they still don't have a vested interest in saving him.

Segnosaur · 24th May 2023, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Trump is still their clearest path to a Christian Theocracy. That's harder if he's in prison.

Do not think they still don't have a vested interest in saving him.

Actually if they are smart, they will let Trump go to prison, in order to clear the way for some other right-wing theocrat to win the republican nomination.

Trump lost in 2020, and there is a pretty good chance he would lose in 2024, even with their protection. (Not to mention if they try to defend trump but fail, it might cause future democrats to, you know, actually take action to address the problems on the supreme court, something Roberts, Thomas, etc. do not want.)

Darat · 24th May 2023, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Trump is still their clearest path to a Christian Theocracy. That's harder if he's in prison.

Do not think they still don't have a vested interest in saving him.

Any of the other nutters would be fine with that as well, so I really don't think the SC needs him, a republican such as DeSantis is just as good for them.

dirtywick · 24th May 2023, 11:18 AM

trump's got a better shot at winning a general election than another republican doing a trump imitation.

Segnosaur · 24th May 2023, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by dirtywick

trump's got a better shot at winning a general election than another republican doing a trump imitation.

Maybe yes, maybe no. It depends on the circumstances.

If Trump loses the primaries to some other republican under relatively normal circumstances (or is somehow forced out of the race by other republicans), the eventual GOP nominee will likely lose because Trump will probably sabotage them, and the MAGAchud will whine "he's not Trump".

If on the other hand Trump quits the race on his own volition, the eventual republican nominee probably stands a better chance than Trump would have. The MAGAchud won't see him as a usurper so will support them, they can pretend Jan 6 never happened, etc.

Skeptic Ginger · 24th May 2023, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Trump is still their clearest path to a Christian Theocracy. That's harder if he's in prison.

Do not think they still don't have a vested interest in saving him.

That's provided Trump actually has a chance to win in 2024. I know a lot of folks are saying no one thought he'd win in 2016. But people know who he is now and he is not drawing huge crowds to his events anymore. Those SCOTUS justices will not have any use for him; they will want another Republican who has a better chance of winning. And I don't think DeSantis has a chance either. His book banning is not going over well outside of TX and FL.

dirtywick · 24th May 2023, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Maybe yes, maybe no. It depends on the circumstances.

If Trump loses the primaries to some other republican under relatively normal circumstances (or is somehow forced out of the race by other republicans), the eventual GOP nominee will likely lose because Trump will probably sabotage them, and the MAGAchud will whine "he's not Trump".

If on the other hand Trump quits the race on his own volition, the eventual republican nominee probably stands a better chance than Trump would have. The MAGAchud won't see him as a usurper so will support them, they can pretend Jan 6 never happened, etc.

trump's only path to avoiding his various legal problems is to retake the presidency. no way he drops out

Ladewig · 24th May 2023, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

News on the hush-money criminal case.

https://apnews.com/article/cc2dbf565...46a96b0fd1f461

. “It’s called ELECTION INTERFERENCE, and nothing like this has ever happened in our Country before!!!”'

How would you know, you walking cloud of ignorance and stupidity.

With apologies to screenwriter Aaron Sorkin

We use words like honor, logic, and respect. We use these words as the backbone of a country which maintains the rule of law. You use them as a punchline.

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Nice of him to admit no election 'interference' has ever happened before.

We are way through the looking glass. Words mean whatever Trump wants them to mean at that partcilur moment.

Norman Alexander · 24th May 2023, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by dirtywick

trump's got a better shot at winning a general election than another republican doing a trump imitation.

If he wins the GOP nomination, they know they will lose any election with him as candidate. His political track record has been all spectacularly downhill from a populist one-off squeaker of a win in 2016, including going backwards against trend in mid-terms. The Dems, for all their sins and weaknesses, are galvanized now. The GOP is ruthless and doesn't usually back proven losers.

But their problem is Trump's base is their base too. So how to separate Trump from the base is the question. Allowing him to metaphorically drop trou and wank in public as he is doing now thus earning himself a long stretch in jail may be a valid way to make his tarnished star wane into insignificance and faded memory...

quadraginta · 24th May 2023, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Maybe yes, maybe no. It depends on the circumstances.

If Trump loses the primaries to some other republican under relatively normal circumstances (or is somehow forced out of the race by other republicans), the eventual GOP nominee will likely lose because Trump will probably sabotage them, and the MAGAchud will whine "he's not Trump".

If on the other hand Trump quits the race on his own volition, the eventual republican nominee probably stands a better chance than Trump would have. The MAGAchud won't see him as a usurper so will support them, they can pretend Jan 6 never happened, etc.

If he doesn't get the Repugnican nomination he will almost certainly decide to run as an Independent.

I would love to see that. It would be fascinating to see how the party would split while both candidates lose.

Trebuchet · 24th May 2023, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

If he doesn't get the Repugnican nomination he will almost certainly decide to run as an Independent.

I would love to see that. It would be fascinating to see how the party would split while both candidates lose.

My wife suggested he'd declare himself the candidate of the Truth Party. Sounds about right to me.

Stacyhs · 24th May 2023, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

If he doesn't get the Repugnican nomination he will almost certainly decide to run as an Independent.

I would love to see that. It would be fascinating to see how the party would split while both candidates lose.

So would I.
If that happened, it would ensure Biden's re-election.

quadraginta · 24th May 2023, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

My wife suggested he'd declare himself the candidate of the Truth Party. Sounds about right to me.

I'm sure he'd love the name.

dudalb · 24th May 2023, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Three days on the north side of "The Bridge of Pain" will give him a taste!

I think you mean "Bridge of SIghs" but point well taken.

dudalb · 24th May 2023, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

If he wins the GOP nomination, they know they will lose any election with him as candidate. His political track record has been all spectacularly downhill from a populist one-off squeaker of a win in 2016, including going backwards against trend in mid-terms. The Dems, for all their sins and weaknesses, are galvanized now. The GOP is ruthless and doesn't usually back proven losers.

But their problem is Trump's base is their base too. So how to separate Trump from the base is the question. Allowing him to metaphorically drop trou and wank in public as he is doing now thus earning himself a long stretch in jail may be a valid way to make his tarnished star wane into insignificance and faded memory...

GOP problem is Trump will carry the base and lose everybody else.

smartcooky · 24th May 2023, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think you mean "Bridge of Sighs" but point well taken.

Bridge of Pain: https://psmag.com/news/rikers-island...nfamous-prison

I could be wrong here, but I always thought the Bridge of Sighs was the bridge over a street between the Courthouse and "The Tombs", the bridge being so named because of its visual similarity to a bridge of the same name in Venice, Italy.

The Man · 24th May 2023, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

If he wins the GOP nomination, they know they will lose any election with him as candidate. His political track record has been all spectacularly downhill from a populist one-off squeaker of a win in 2016, including going backwards against trend in mid-terms. The Dems, for all their sins and weaknesses, are galvanized now. The GOP is ruthless and doesn't usually back proven losers.

But their problem is Trump's base is their base too. So how to separate Trump from the base is the question. Allowing him to metaphorically drop trou and wank in public as he is doing now thus earning himself a long stretch in jail may be a valid way to make his tarnished star wane into insignificance and faded memory...

Hell no, give him the eternal ignominy he deserves. Billions of years form now in a galaxy far, far away. Students of all galactic species should be given classes in how not to be such a self-eviscerating dufus.

Lesson #1: At times keep your freak’n mouth, or enunciating hole (for other species), shut!

ETA: The saddest part is if he had just held to that precept and kept the quite part a bit more quite he might have gotten closer to emulating those tyrants he so admires. Still, no fat lady singing yet, so complacency is not an option.

22nd May 2023, 05:33 AM	#282
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22nd May 2023, 09:41 AM	#283
ZirconBlue Sole Survivor of L-Town Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lexington, KY, USA, Earth Posts: 14,808	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Wow, just Googled Boris Epshteyn. He is a distillation of just about all the nasty characters and dubious contacts that we have long associated with Trump behind the scenes - dodgy offshore banking, Russian contacts, failed businesses, direction and coordination of 6-Jan... Real piece of work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_Epshteyn That looks like how Sean Connery would have pronounced "Epstein".
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23rd May 2023, 12:59 AM	#284
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 82,020	Not a criminal charge, but... E Jean Carroll files for new damages after Trump’s CNN town hall remarks Quote: Author’s court filing comes after the ex-president demeaned her a day after being found liable for sexual abuse Author and columnist E Jean Carroll is going back to court to demand “very substantial” additional damages from Donald Trump for the disparaging remarks he made about her during a televised CNN town hall just a day after he was found liable in a civil case for sexually assaulting her. An amended lawsuit seeking an additional $10m in compensatory damages – and more in punitive damages – was filed in Manhattan on Monday by lawyers for Carroll, who say remarks made by the former president in response to her rape allegations have so spoiled her reputation that she lost her longtime job as an Elle magazine advice columnist.
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23rd May 2023, 01:32 AM	#285
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9,141	Originally Posted by eerok Clogs for a clodpole. Hobnail boots because I don't care if it rhymes so long as it hurts.
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23rd May 2023, 04:34 AM	#286
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 23,587	Originally Posted by ZirconBlue That looks like how Sean Connery would have pronounced "Epstein". That would be "Boorish Esphstyn"
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22nd May 2023, 01:33 AM	#281
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,300	Originally Posted by Reformed Offlian Pumps for Trump! Heels for a Heel!

23rd May 2023, 07:02 AM	#287
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 16,630	Originally Posted by ZirconBlue That looks like how Sean Connery would have pronounced "Epstein". Yes. Sounds like a character from a Mel Brooks movie.
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23rd May 2023, 12:47 PM	#288
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 50,196	It's not a gag order... Quote: Trump’s attorney said that the former president remains concerned that the order infringes on his First Amendment rights. “He understands that he has to comply with the order, and if he doesn’t do so, he’s violating your order,” Blanche said during the hearing. Merchan reiterated that there is not a gag order in place and Trump can publicly defend himself against the allegations related to this case. And it's not that we don't trust you, it's that we can't trust you. Quote: Trump can only view some evidence designated by prosecutors as “limited dissemination materials” in the presence of his attorneys and cannot “copy, photograph, transcribe, or otherwise independently possess” that evidence, per the order. https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/23/polit...ing/index.html
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23rd May 2023, 01:14 PM	#289
welshdean Michael McDonald 1967 - 2021 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,428	Quote: Trump can only view some evidence designated by prosecutors as “limited dissemination materials” in the presence of his attorneys and cannot “copy, photograph, transcribe, or otherwise independently possess” that evidence, per the order. But surely as the ex-greatest-president-ever, he can just do another jedi mind trick with sensitive documents and simply make them 'unsealed'?
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23rd May 2023, 01:37 PM	#290
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,300	Originally Posted by welshdean But surely as the ~~ex-~~greatest-president-ever, he can just do another jedi mind trick with sensitive documents and simply make them 'unsealed'? I fixed that for you, Donald J. Trump

23rd May 2023, 02:07 PM	#291
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 109,587	Originally Posted by Mike! It's not a gag order... And it's not that we don't trust you, it's that we can't trust you. https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/23/polit...ing/index.html Wouldn’t matter if he had the documents or not - we know he doesn’t read - he has people to do that for him. And could you imagine him sitting for hours at a time to patiently go over everything?
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23rd May 2023, 06:33 PM	#292
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,300	Originally Posted by Darat Wouldn’t matter if he had the documents or not - we know he doesn’t read - he has people to do that for him. And could you imagine him sitting for hours at a time to patiently go over everything? Watching Trump rally footage where he can watch himself being gloriously himself and idiots cheering him on would keep him glued to the TV for hours and hours.

23rd May 2023, 06:50 PM	#293
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 44,082	I don't think there's a force in the universe; political, criminal, or social, that can convince Donald J. Trump to keep his mouth shut. My fear/worry is I'm not 100% sure there's a force in the universe; political, criminal, or social, that can/will make Donald J. Trump face meaningful consequences for not keeping his mouth shut. He'll ignore the order, incite more hate and violence, and a flustered "Well you can't do that! Someone tell him he can't do that louder he must not have heard us the first time!" will be the only response. He still has four hand picked toadies on the Supreme Court and an Army of Followers willing to commit violence on his behalf. How much he can **** around before finding out still remains an undefined variable.
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23rd May 2023, 08:54 PM	#294
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 23,587	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue I don't think there's a force in the universe; political, criminal, or social, that can convince Donald J. Trump to keep his mouth shut. My fear/worry is I'm not 100% sure there's a force in the universe; political, criminal, or social, that can/will make Donald J. Trump face meaningful consequences for not keeping his mouth shut.. Well there is one force in the universe that could at least silence him by making unhearable - a judge with the cajones to lock him up and put him in solitary until trial so that he can scream into the void all he wants, and no-one can hear him.
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23rd May 2023, 09:02 PM	#295
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,917	Lock him up for a couple days and I'll bet he'll shut up. It's clear he doesn't think a monetary fine and a conviction matter. He's above that.

23rd May 2023, 09:07 PM	#296
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Photo Contest Winner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 41,936	News on the hush-money criminal case. https://apnews.com/article/cc2dbf565...46a96b0fd1f461 "NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump threw up his hands in frustration Tuesday as a judge scheduled his criminal trial for March 25, putting the former president and current candidate in a Manhattan courtroom in the heat of next year’s presidential primary season. "Trump, appearing by video conference at a pretrial hearing in the hush-money case, glowered at the camera as Judge Juan Manuel Merchan advised him to cancel all other obligations for the duration of the trial, which could last several weeks." '“Very unfair, but this is exactly what the Radical Left Democrats wanted,” Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform. “It’s called ELECTION INTERFERENCE, and nothing like this has ever happened in our Country before!!!”' Nice of him to admit no election 'interference' has ever happened before.
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23rd May 2023, 10:51 PM	#297
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,963	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay News on the hush-money criminal case. https://apnews.com/article/cc2dbf565...46a96b0fd1f461 "NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump threw up his hands in frustration Tuesday as a judge scheduled his criminal trial for March 25, putting the former president and current candidate in a Manhattan courtroom in the heat of next year’s presidential primary season. "Trump, appearing by video conference at a pretrial hearing in the hush-money case, glowered at the camera as Judge Juan Manuel Merchan advised him to cancel all other obligations for the duration of the trial, which could last several weeks." '“Very unfair, but this is exactly what the Radical Left Democrats wanted,” Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform. “It’s called ELECTION INTERFERENCE, and nothing like this has ever happened in our Country before!!!”' Nice of him to admit no election 'interference' has ever happened before. This could be contempt, and serious contempt at that. He has yet to learn the lesson to keep his yap shut about court stuff.
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24th May 2023, 01:46 AM	#298
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 23,587	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Lock him up for a couple days and I'll bet he'll shut up. It's clear he doesn't think a monetary fine and a conviction matter. He's above that. Three days on the north side of "The Bridge of Pain" will give him a taste!
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24th May 2023, 03:22 AM	#299
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,691	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue I don't think there's a force in the universe; political, criminal, or social, that can convince Donald J. Trump to keep his mouth shut. My fear/worry is I'm not 100% sure there's a force in the universe; political, criminal, or social, that can/will make Donald J. Trump face meaningful consequences for not keeping his mouth shut. He'll ignore the order, incite more hate and violence, and a flustered "Well you can't do that! Someone tell him he can't do that louder he must not have heard us the first time!" will be the only response. He still has four hand picked toadies on the Supreme Court and an Army of Followers willing to commit violence on his behalf. How much he can **** around before finding out still remains an undefined variable. Stick him in the chokey for contempt. Trumpy boy is a coward to his bones, and being stuck in jail, even just overnight, is going to bring out that cowardice in spades. The reason he acts with impunity is not because he's unafraid of the consequences, it's because he's never faced consequences.
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24th May 2023, 05:58 AM	#300
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 44,082	I repeat. 4 hand picked toadies on the Supreme Court. If he's in jail for contempt that's because that's where he wants to be.
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24th May 2023, 06:33 AM	#301
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,893	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue I repeat. 4 hand picked toadies on the Supreme Court. If he's in jail for contempt that's because that's where he wants to be. I am not sure if the supreme court will offer Trump much protection. I am not saying people like Drunky McRapeface and the Stepford Wife have any integrity. (Far from it.) I think they are eager to install a christian theocracy in the U.S. I just don't think they are beholden to Trump personally. They may try to help him out in more... subtle... ways (such as "lets let trump tie his tax case up in appeals for years") rather than directly. (Remember, the supreme court did not intervene in his attempt to overturn the 2020 election.) Plus, the possible contempt charge might be coming from a state-level judge. I'm not sure how much influence the supreme court would have on that, and even if they could step in, it is probably something that would take at least a little time. (After all, paperwork has to be filed, etc.) So Trump might very well spend at least a night in jail while his lawyers try to catch the ear of the supreme court.
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24th May 2023, 06:38 AM	#302
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,888	I have no doubt that this SC will bend over backwards for Trump. That is why State prosecutors and judges are so extremely careful not to give any reason for appeals, and why they keep their cards so close to the vest. If they treated Trump like the criminal he is, we would already have a couple of his appeals before the Judges.
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24th May 2023, 07:06 AM	#303
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 109,587	Originally Posted by Segnosaur I am not sure if the supreme court will offer Trump much protection. I am not saying people like Drunky McRapeface and the Stepford Wife have any integrity. (Far from it.) I think they are eager to install a christian theocracy in the U.S. I just don't think they are beholden to Trump personally. ...snip.... I agree - they are all transactionists. What can Trump do for them now? We know he won't be paying for their holidays, paying for their kids to attend private school and such so they have no reason to support Trump. Unless something to do with Trump aligns with what their current sponsors' want.
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24th May 2023, 07:07 AM	#304
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 44,082	Trump is still their clearest path to a Christian Theocracy. That's harder if he's in prison. Do not think they still don't have a vested interest in saving him.
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24th May 2023, 09:17 AM	#305
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,893	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Trump is still their clearest path to a Christian Theocracy. That's harder if he's in prison. Do not think they still don't have a vested interest in saving him. Actually if they are smart, they will let Trump go to prison, in order to clear the way for some other right-wing theocrat to win the republican nomination. Trump lost in 2020, and there is a pretty good chance he would lose in 2024, even with their protection. (Not to mention if they try to defend trump but fail, it might cause future democrats to, you know, actually take action to address the problems on the supreme court, something Roberts, Thomas, etc. do not want.)
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24th May 2023, 10:21 AM	#306
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 109,587	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Trump is still their clearest path to a Christian Theocracy. That's harder if he's in prison. Do not think they still don't have a vested interest in saving him. Any of the other nutters would be fine with that as well, so I really don't think the SC needs him, a republican such as DeSantis is just as good for them.
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24th May 2023, 11:18 AM	#307
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,375	trump's got a better shot at winning a general election than another republican doing a trump imitation.
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24th May 2023, 11:30 AM	#308
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,893	Originally Posted by dirtywick trump's got a better shot at winning a general election than another republican doing a trump imitation. Maybe yes, maybe no. It depends on the circumstances. If Trump loses the primaries to some other republican under relatively normal circumstances (or is somehow forced out of the race by other republicans), the eventual GOP nominee will likely lose because Trump will probably sabotage them, and the MAGAchud will whine "he's not Trump". If on the other hand Trump quits the race on his own volition, the eventual republican nominee probably stands a better chance than Trump would have. The MAGAchud won't see him as a usurper so will support them, they can pretend Jan 6 never happened, etc.
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24th May 2023, 02:58 PM	#309
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,917	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Trump is still their clearest path to a Christian Theocracy. That's harder if he's in prison. Do not think they still don't have a vested interest in saving him. That's provided Trump actually has a chance to win in 2024. I know a lot of folks are saying no one thought he'd win in 2016. But people know who he is now and he is not drawing huge crowds to his events anymore. Those SCOTUS justices will not have any use for him; they will want another Republican who has a better chance of winning. And I don't think DeSantis has a chance either. His book banning is not going over well outside of TX and FL.

24th May 2023, 03:04 PM	#310
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,375	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Maybe yes, maybe no. It depends on the circumstances. If Trump loses the primaries to some other republican under relatively normal circumstances (or is somehow forced out of the race by other republicans), the eventual GOP nominee will likely lose because Trump will probably sabotage them, and the MAGAchud will whine "he's not Trump". If on the other hand Trump quits the race on his own volition, the eventual republican nominee probably stands a better chance than Trump would have. The MAGAchud won't see him as a usurper so will support them, they can pretend Jan 6 never happened, etc. trump's only path to avoiding his various legal problems is to retake the presidency. no way he drops out
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24th May 2023, 03:29 PM	#311
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,767	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay News on the hush-money criminal case. https://apnews.com/article/cc2dbf565...46a96b0fd1f461 . “It’s called ELECTION INTERFERENCE, and nothing like this has ever happened in our Country before!!!”' How would you know, you walking cloud of ignorance and stupidity. With apologies to screenwriter Aaron Sorkin We use words like honor, logic, and respect. We use these words as the backbone of a country which maintains the rule of law. You use them as a punchline. Quote: Nice of him to admit no election 'interference' has ever happened before. We are way through the looking glass. Words mean whatever Trump wants them to mean at that partcilur moment.
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24th May 2023, 03:29 PM	#312
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,963	Originally Posted by dirtywick trump's got a better shot at winning a general election than another republican doing a trump imitation. If he wins the GOP nomination, they know they will lose any election with him as candidate. His *political* track record has been all spectacularly downhill from a populist one-off squeaker of a win in 2016, including going backwards against trend in mid-terms. The Dems, for all their sins and weaknesses, are galvanized now. The GOP is ruthless and doesn't usually back proven losers. But their problem is Trump's base is their base too. So how to separate Trump from the base is the question. Allowing him to metaphorically drop trou and wank in public as he is doing now thus earning himself a long stretch in jail may be a valid way to make his tarnished star wane into insignificance and faded memory...
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24th May 2023, 04:59 PM	#313
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,845	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Maybe yes, maybe no. It depends on the circumstances. If Trump loses the primaries to some other republican under relatively normal circumstances (or is somehow forced out of the race by other republicans), the eventual GOP nominee will likely lose because Trump will probably sabotage them, and the MAGAchud will whine "he's not Trump". If on the other hand Trump quits the race on his own volition, the eventual republican nominee probably stands a better chance than Trump would have. The MAGAchud won't see him as a usurper so will support them, they can pretend Jan 6 never happened, etc. If he doesn't get the Repugnican nomination he will almost certainly decide to run as an Independent. I would love to see that. It would be fascinating to see how the party would split while both candidates lose.
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24th May 2023, 05:12 PM	#314
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 36,519	Originally Posted by quadraginta If he doesn't get the Repugnican nomination he will almost certainly decide to run as an Independent. I would love to see that. It would be fascinating to see how the party would split while both candidates lose. My wife suggested he'd declare himself the candidate of the Truth Party. Sounds about right to me.
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24th May 2023, 05:15 PM	#315
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,300	Originally Posted by quadraginta If he doesn't get the Repugnican nomination he will almost certainly decide to run as an Independent. I would love to see that. It would be fascinating to see how the party would split while both candidates lose. So would I. If that happened, it would ensure Biden's re-election.