The thread for Non Drag Queens charged with child sexual assault

[Bogative]

Former O.C. elementary school teacher pleads guilty to possession of child pornography

Quote:

Richard O’Connor, 45, worked as a fourth-grade teacher at Crescent Elementary School in Anaheim. He also volunteered as a boys’ wrestling coach at Canyon High School. Both schools are in Anaheim.


“A forensic review of O’Connor’s iCloud account identified at least 81 videos and 158 images of CSAM. O’Connor admitted in his plea agreement that several of the videos and images of CSAM in his iCloud account depicted infants or toddlers as well as violent, sadistic, or masochistic conduct,”

[Matthew Best]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429

Man abducted and sexually assaulted schoolgirl

A man has admitted abducting a primary school girl while dressed as a woman before sexually assaulting her at his home in the Scottish Borders.

Andrew Miller, who is also known as Amy George ... identifies as transgender and is in the process of transitioning to female.

[Bogative]

Former Cumberland County substitute teacher charged with indecent liberties with a student

Not many details but the teacher was 46 years old and she was charged with 8 counts of felonious restraint and a few other crimes.

[Bogative]

Yucaipa teacher arrested, accused of having sex with minor

She is 38, the victim is 16.

[Bogative]

A St. Paul's School literature teacher could face prison time after allegedly sexually assaulting a teenage student for several months.



The teacher is a 41-year-old male and the victim is a 13-year-old female.

[Bogative]

Millbrae 6th grade teacher arrested for allegedly sexually assaulting students.


The teacher is a 54-year-old male. Arrested for touching multiple students over a five-year period.

[tyr_13]

I came to post another example of a police officer and army reservist being arrested for sa and images, but when I went to look it up again there are so many other hits that I can't find the specific one I read about last night.

[TurkeysGhost]

Originally Posted by tyr_13

I came to post another example of a police officer and army reservist being arrested for sa and images, but when I went to look it up again there are so many other hits that I can't find the specific one I read about last night.

If you're worried about groomers in your community, the best place to be on high alert is with Police "explorers" programs, in which local cops run a program for high school youth interested in law enforcement careers.

In my neck of the woods, a young woman killed herself after years of being groomed and statutorily raped by three cops she met through such a program.

Quote:

Three former Stoughton police officers had “inappropriate relations” with a woman they met through a department-run youth program when she was a teenager, according to a newly released internal affairs report. Investigators also found that one of the officers, Matthew Farwell, ended his relationship with the woman, Sandra Birchmore, shortly before she killed herself in 2021.

The heavily redacted report released on Friday by the Stoughton Police Department capped a 19-month internal investigation, which also hinted at a larger pattern of police misconduct involving female teenagers in the town. Under Massachusetts' law, a person cannot legally consent to sex before they are 16 years old. The report also concluded that the three officers misled investigators looking into Birchmore’s death.

“Through a sustained and deliberate combination of lies, deceit and treachery, [the three officers] violated the policies and the core values of the Stoughton Police Department, not to mention human decency,” Stoughton Police Chief Donna McNamara said during a press conference Friday, in which she outlined the report's findings.

Birchmore’s connection to the three officers — twins Matthew and William Farwell, and Robert Devine — began when she was 13 years old, as part of a now-defunct Stoughton Police Explorer’s Program. According to McNamara, Matthew Farwell's relationship with Birchmore turned inappropriate when she was 15 and he was 27. Neither the chief nor the unredacted sections of the report specified the exact nature of their relationship.

https://www.wgbh.org/news/local-news...fore-her-death

[Bogative]

Ex-San Francisco kindergarten teacher sentenced to federal prison for possessing child porn
Second ex-teacher to be sentenced in June

Quote:

Marc Nunez, 29, of San Francisco, was one of two teachers at the K-8 Cathedral School for Boys in San Francisco to be charged with child pornography-related crimes, the other being Nunez’s longtime romantic partner, Charles Barrett.

[catsmate]

The RCC still seems to be winner when it comes to sexual abuse of minors and covering it up.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/u...sex-abuse.html

[TurkeysGhost]

Originally Posted by catsmate

The RCC still seems to be winner when it comes to sexual abuse of minors and covering it up.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/u...sex-abuse.html

At this point is may be easier to compile lists of priests that weren't sex offenders.

[shemp]

Originally Posted by catsmate

The RCC still seems to be winner when it comes to sexual abuse of minors and covering it up.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/u...sex-abuse.html

They make the Boy Scouts of America organization look like saints!

Um, maybe I should rephrase that?

[theprestige]

Originally Posted by catsmate

The RCC still seems to be winner when it comes to sexual abuse of minors and covering it up.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/23/u...sex-abuse.html

Probably because the administration of the American public school system is extremely devolved and distributed, rather than being extremely hierarchical and centralized.

There's less than half a million Catholic priests worldwide. There's about four million public school teachers in the US, with about half of them - two million teachers - in elementary schools.

I'd be very surprised if, taken as a whole, and humans being what we are, the American public school system weren't producing and attempting to cover up about as many child sex abuse incidents per capita as the Catholic church.

Reminds me of the joke about the guy who's looking for his dropped keys under the streetlight.

All that said, I have no problem stipulating that drag queens probably don't do a lot of child sex abuse. Not while they're in drag, anyway.

[Bogative]

Mustang teacher charged with rape for alleged sexual relationship with former student

Quote:

This week he was charged with two counts of second-degree rape, two counts of sexual battery, rape by instrumentation and forcible sodomy.


Authorities said the investigation revealed that a female student had sexual contact “hundreds of times” with Garner, who was her science teacher and National Honor Society adviser.

The crimes were committed over a four-year period.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by theprestige

Probably because the administration of the American public school system is extremely devolved and distributed, rather than being extremely hierarchical and centralized.

There's less than half a million Catholic priests worldwide. There's about four million public school teachers in the US, with about half of them - two million teachers - in elementary schools.

I'd be very surprised if, taken as a whole, and humans being what we are, the American public school system weren't producing and attempting to cover up about as many child sex abuse incidents per capita as the Catholic church.

Reminds me of the joke about the guy who's looking for his dropped keys under the streetlight.

All that said, I have no problem stipulating that drag queens probably don't do a lot of child sex abuse. Not while they're in drag, anyway.

I've read many of the official reports about child abuse and the RCC is an outlier. You mention part of the reason "extremely hierarchical and centralized" but there is more to it than that. In all the countries that there have been official investigations into (that are in English) it has been shown that it adopted a policy of discrediting anyone making allegations, blanket denials to any outside authorities, in some countries - Ireland for example it was part of the state apparatus and it used the powers and influence that gave it to stop secular investigations in their track. It also had an international policy that came from the Vatican to not cooperate with secular authorities in such allegations. The directives from the top were to always protect the church, not any victims. Then there is another huge difference compared to most other organisations - the church knew it had abusers and if it got too hot for a particular abuser they moved them within the church organisation, but very rarely did they move them so they no longer had contact with those likely to be victims of the abusers. The policy was to not inform new parishes why someone was being moved. And there were many, many cases of abusers being moved more than once and repeatedly abusing new victims. What it did was to provide a safe environment for abusers in a way that no other organisation could or did. So whilst "per capita" of number of abusers they may not be higher than other demographics the RCC abusers were able to safely abuse victims over decades so their number of victims per abuser is much higher than other organisations.

[Emily's Cat]

Originally Posted by theprestige

Probably because the administration of the American public school system is extremely devolved and distributed, rather than being extremely hierarchical and centralized.

There's less than half a million Catholic priests worldwide. There's about four million public school teachers in the US, with about half of them - two million teachers - in elementary schools.

I'd be very surprised if, taken as a whole, and humans being what we are, the American public school system weren't producing and attempting to cover up about as many child sex abuse incidents per capita as the Catholic church.

Reminds me of the joke about the guy who's looking for his dropped keys under the streetlight.

All that said, I have no problem stipulating that drag queens probably don't do a lot of child sex abuse. Not while they're in drag, anyway.

On the whole, of course Drag Queens don't do a lot of child sex abuse. On the whole, no cohort of people (aside from perhaps registered sex offenders ) does a lot of child sex abuse.

There are few dynamics to consider when thinking about child predators. Off the top is that pedophiles tend to seek out situations that give them access to children. That might sound really "duh" and simplistic, but it's a key element of their behavior. That is also why known pedophiles are prohibited from living or working near schools or day cares.

Yes, there are a whole lot of teachers. It's also well known that 1) teachers have easy access to and 2) spend a lot of time with children 3) without the direct accompaniment of parents or other guardians. Because this is known, teachers generally are subjected to pretty thorough background checks. Schools are aware that pedos seek opportunities to be near kids, so they actively take precautions to mitigate that risk to children. They usually have pretty good safeguarding practices in place for hiring and monitoring teachers and other staff that interact with kids.

Part of the problem with RCC is that those background checks aren't a necessary component of priesthood. Those safeguards for children aren't present. And that presents an opportunity for pedophiles to exploit kids.

I think it's also exacerbated by the church's views on homosexuality in particular. There has been a fairly high proportion of homosexual priests (and probably nuns as well) in the catholic church - partly because their orientation has been frowned upon by society, partly because being a priest relieves them of the expectation to marry and have children. I suspect there's a similar dynamic in the church with respect to pedophiles - by entering the church, they remove themselves from society's expectations and they have an opportunity to hide or obscure their proclivity.

The issue with drag queens is not that there is some inherent association between drag and pedophilia - I see no reason that there would be. The issue is that in recent years, there has been an increase in children being directly exposed to drag queens, and there have been instances of drag queens having obscured their sex offending records via use of a stage name and the fact that background checks aren't being done.

The problem for most people is not drag queens themselves, it's the intersection of drag queens and children - without sufficient safeguarding practices. This gets amplified because a fair amount of drag in the US includes adult themes and fairly sexualized performances - and there have been at least a few documented cases of DQSH including performances that many parents see as inappropriate for young children.

If people would stop getting all political about it and calling people bigots and transphobes, and instead said "you know what, okay, let's strengthen the safeguards and put some guidelines in place to mitigate opportunities for untoward behavior" I suspect that about 85% of the people and parents who object would be perfectly satisfied.

[sarge]

Originally Posted by shemp

They make the Boy Scouts of America organization look like saints!

Um, maybe I should rephrase that?

The BSA and its insurers are very, very soon going to pay out more than a billion. Or so the attorneys tell me.

[TurkeysGhost]

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

On the whole, of course Drag Queens don't do a lot of child sex abuse. On the whole, no cohort of people (aside from perhaps registered sex offenders ) does a lot of child sex abuse.

There are few dynamics to consider when thinking about child predators. Off the top is that pedophiles tend to seek out situations that give them access to children. That might sound really "duh" and simplistic, but it's a key element of their behavior. That is also why known pedophiles are prohibited from living or working near schools or day cares.

Yes, there are a whole lot of teachers. It's also well known that 1) teachers have easy access to and 2) spend a lot of time with children 3) without the direct accompaniment of parents or other guardians. Because this is known, teachers generally are subjected to pretty thorough background checks. Schools are aware that pedos seek opportunities to be near kids, so they actively take precautions to mitigate that risk to children. They usually have pretty good safeguarding practices in place for hiring and monitoring teachers and other staff that interact with kids.

Part of the problem with RCC is that those background checks aren't a necessary component of priesthood. Those safeguards for children aren't present. And that presents an opportunity for pedophiles to exploit kids.

I think it's also exacerbated by the church's views on homosexuality in particular. There has been a fairly high proportion of homosexual priests (and probably nuns as well) in the catholic church - partly because their orientation has been frowned upon by society, partly because being a priest relieves them of the expectation to marry and have children. I suspect there's a similar dynamic in the church with respect to pedophiles - by entering the church, they remove themselves from society's expectations and they have an opportunity to hide or obscure their proclivity.

The issue with drag queens is not that there is some inherent association between drag and pedophilia - I see no reason that there would be. The issue is that in recent years, there has been an increase in children being directly exposed to drag queens, and there have been instances of drag queens having obscured their sex offending records via use of a stage name and the fact that background checks aren't being done.

The problem for most people is not drag queens themselves, it's the intersection of drag queens and children - without sufficient safeguarding practices. This gets amplified because a fair amount of drag in the US includes adult themes and fairly sexualized performances - and there have been at least a few documented cases of DQSH including performances that many parents see as inappropriate for young children.

If people would stop getting all political about it and calling people bigots and transphobes, and instead said "you know what, okay, let's strengthen the safeguards and put some guidelines in place to mitigate opportunities for untoward behavior" I suspect that about 85% of the people and parents who object would be perfectly satisfied.

How exactly is a performer going to commit a sex crime to a member of their audience? Are they going to jump off stage to fondle a kid in front of their parents? They gonna snatch a kid in the middle of a public library or book store and stuff them into the trunk of a car?

Drag shows have children present, yes, but there's no private, ongoing intimate access. Teachers and priests and coaches are higher risk occupations because these people have ongoing contact with children in the absence of parental supervision, often in the absence of any other adults. They have an opportunity to groom children by slowly escalating a normal, friendly relationship into something inappropriate. A drag queen story hour has none of these critical factors.

The risk of a sex offense at a one-off drag show is about as low as possible, and the disproportionate scrutiny being applied to these events is entirely motivated by bigotry, not practical risk. Similar low risk type events that do not involve drag queens do not have such scrutiny applied to them.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

How exactly is a performer going to commit a sex crime to a member of their audience? Are they going to jump off stage to fondle a kid in front of their parents? They gonna snatch a kid in the middle of a public library or book store and stuff them into the trunk of a car?

Drag shows have children present, yes, but there's no private, ongoing intimate access. Teachers and priests and coaches are higher risk occupations because these people have ongoing contact with children in the absence of parental supervision, often in the absence of any other adults. They have an opportunity to groom children by slowly escalating a normal, friendly relationship into something inappropriate. A drag queen story hour has none of these critical factors.

The risk of a sex offense at a one-off drag show is about as low as possible, and the disproportionate scrutiny being applied to these events is entirely motivated by bigotry, not practical risk. Similar low risk type events that do not involve drag queens do not have such scrutiny applied to them.

There are already safeguarding measures in place in many places. But for some reason they only need to be adjusted now, and of course the laws that are being put in place are not to safeguard children they are to make drag illegal or tightly controlled. It is nothing more than trying to discriminate against "them".

[JoeMorgue]

I think for Republicans it's a new, bigoted version of the old "Broken Window" theory thing.

You stop minor "deviant" actions or they will grow into full blown crimes later.

[Emily's Cat]

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

How exactly is a performer going to commit a sex crime to a member of their audience? Are they going to jump off stage to fondle a kid in front of their parents? They gonna snatch a kid in the middle of a public library or book store and stuff them into the trunk of a car?

How exactly is a person living near a school going to commit a sex crime to an attendee of the school? Are they going to run into a class room and grab a kid, stuff them in a duffel bag, then run out with them?

Many times it's not about direct risk, it's about indirect risk. It's about placing someone with a known proclivity in the close vicinity of their victim pool.

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

Drag shows have children present, yes, but there's no private, ongoing intimate access. Teachers and priests and coaches are higher risk occupations because these people have ongoing contact with children in the absence of parental supervision, often in the absence of any other adults. They have an opportunity to groom children by slowly escalating a normal, friendly relationship into something inappropriate. A drag queen story hour has none of these critical factors.

Have you bothered to actually look into the situations in which parents have objected and complained? Or have you just decided it's all bigotry and that you don't have to give it any consideration at all? Why are you (and others) so adamant that this specific and particular group of people should be excluded from the basic expectations for how people behave around children?

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

The risk of a sex offense at a one-off drag show is about as low as possible, and the disproportionate scrutiny being applied to these events is entirely motivated by bigotry, not practical risk. Similar low risk type events that do not involve drag queens do not have such scrutiny applied to them.

Sure. But the only reason DQSH ended up getting scrutiny was because many parents observed adults behaving in ways that they deemed inappropriate for their children and that age group. It was AFTER these things happened that it gained attention. It was AFTER the adult male flopped on the floor and invited children to lay on top of them. It was AFTER the reader in the very skimpy outfit repeatedly spread their legs wide open to expose their obvious bulge to a bunch of kids at crotch level. It was AFTER a few readers in borderline sexualized outfits were found to have criminal records for child sex abuse. It was AFTER children were invited to an "all ages" event with a huge sign saying "It's not gonna lick itself" where the performers were observed letting children stuff dollar bills into their pants.

It was AFTER several occasions of behavior that would generally be considered unacceptable in the presence of children had already occurred that it gained attention and notoriety.

Why are you opposed to drag performers specifically being expected to comply with the same behavioral expectations that any other adult is subjected to while in the presence of kids?

[Emily's Cat]

Originally Posted by Darat

There are already safeguarding measures in place in many places. But for some reason they only need to be adjusted now,

In several cases there were NOT any safeguarding measures taken. That's how we ended up with a few cases of adults with criminal records for child sex abuse being green-lit to perform in front of their preferred victim group.

Originally Posted by Darat

and of course the laws that are being put in place are not to safeguard children they are to make drag illegal or tightly controlled. It is nothing more than trying to discriminate against "them".

And those laws are... dumb, stupid, idiotic, poorly-thought-out, misplaced, inane, witless, brutish, and profoundly irresponsible.

[tyr_13]

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Honestly, at this point in my life, I'm highly skeptical of ANYTHING that puts children in close proximity to adults without the direct oversight of their parents. And I expect thorough and detailed background checks on any adults who are engaging with children, as well as swift and harsh action if any adult misbehaves in even the slightest manner, or if any of the content is even borderline inappropriate - it needs to be 100% unquestionably G-Rated material.

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Why are you opposed to drag performers specifically being expected to comply with the same behavioral expectations that any other adult is subjected to while in the presence of kids?

Your stated standard removes drag performers from being able to interact with kids anyway. I mean, it should be applicable to many if not most entertainers the way you talk about it yet support for applying these restrictions outside of drag disappears.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

In several cases there were NOT any safeguarding measures taken. That's how we ended up with a few cases of adults with criminal records for child sex abuse being green-lit to perform in front of their preferred victim group.

…snip…

Evidence ?

[Bogative]

Florida ex-teacher arrested again for alleged sexual relations with student.
The former Florida teacher allegedly had sexual relations with a 15-year-old and 17-year-old student.

The teacher had been sent 3 prior "letters of caution" for inappropriate behavior before his arrest.

[Emily's Cat]

Originally Posted by tyr_13

Your stated standard removes drag performers from being able to interact with kids anyway.

Why do you think drag performers are unable to meet a G-rating standard?

Originally Posted by tyr_13

I mean, it should be applicable to many if not most entertainers the way you talk about it yet support for applying these restrictions outside of drag disappears.

What do you mean? I 100% support applying those same restrictions to any entertainer that is engaged to interact specifically with children in a publicly funded setting, especially when the parents are not likely to be present as well.

[Emily's Cat]

Originally Posted by Darat

Evidence ?

FFS, I'm tired of this. I provided evidence previously, we had an entire ******* thread where we talked about it. The response in general was "Oh, that's an outlier, it's not a problem".

I'm so incredibly sick of this game. A topic of concern or disagreement comes up, and linked evidence and support is provided. It gets hand-waved away as being an outlier, or not a big deal, or cherry picked, or from a biased source, or some other reason provided for why it doesn't count that the thing has actually ******* happened because it doesn't fit into a narrative. It just gets ignored.

Then a few weeks go by and the topic comes up again. And the same people once again come out and demand evidence that they've ALREADY been provided. As if they never saw it.

And I guarantee that if I were to put in the effort to go find the EXACT SAME THINGS that have already been provided... they'll once more get hand-waved away as being "just an anecdote" or similar, and they'll just get ignored again.

It's a never ending cycle of demanding proof, then dismissing the proof, then pretending that the proof never existed in the first place, and then demanding proof again.

[theprestige]

Originally Posted by tyr_13

Your stated standard removes drag performers from being able to interact with kids anyway. I mean, it should be applicable to many if not most entertainers the way you talk about it yet support for applying these restrictions outside of drag disappears.

Jimmy Savile comes to mind.

But most entertainers outside of drag aren't normalizing womanface or hypersexualizing femininity for entertainment purposes. So the hazards aren't always readily apparent in other cases.

But I mean, yes, of course you'd think twice about sending Jimmy Carr to entertain a group of children in a school library.

And yes, I think that comedy womanface and hypersexualized femininity are entertainments properly reserved for mature adults. Kids are already processing more than enough in their lives, without having to try to figure out what drag is supposed to mean.

[Emily's Cat]

Originally Posted by Bogative

Florida ex-teacher arrested again for alleged sexual relations with student.
The former Florida teacher allegedly had sexual relations with a 15-year-old and 17-year-old student.

The teacher had been sent 3 prior "letters of caution" for inappropriate behavior before his arrest.

ONE instance should have been sufficient to fire them. There should be ZERO tolerance for inappropriate behavior.

[theprestige]

"But American schoolteachers don't benefit from institutional, systemic enabling of their child molestation, the way Catholic priests do!"

[The Great Zaganza]

Originally Posted by theprestige

"But American schoolteachers don't benefit from institutional, systemic enabling of their child molestation, the way Catholic priests do!"

they don't.

This is a weird comment of yours.
Sounds like you are minimizing the systematic harm and coverup the Churches (not just Catholic) have done over the last century to bash teachers.

[TragicMonkey]

I don't think those objecting to drag queen story hour are afraid the children will get molested, I think they're afraid the children will want to do drag. That's why they're not clamoring to defund the Boy Scouts or arrest bishops who move "problem priests" around to evade scandal.

[LondonJohn]

Originally Posted by Matthew Best

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429

Man abducted and sexually assaulted schoolgirl

A man has admitted abducting a primary school girl while dressed as a woman before sexually assaulting her at his home in the Scottish Borders.

Andrew Miller, who is also known as Amy George ... identifies as transgender and is in the process of transitioning to female.

You seem unusually fixated on linking to reports of transgender people abusing children (where it would also appear that most of these perpetrators declared their transgender identity POST committing their offences and getting caught - possibly because they've heard that they might get better treatment in prison by doing so....).

Is there any particular reason why you don't seem to link to (eg) reports of cisgender teachers, athletic coaches, children's group leaders (eg scoutmasters, or... parents/guardians (who are by an absolutely huge margin the worst offenders of this type - both numerically and proportionately)? Or is it only the transgender ones you wish to demonise?

[LondonJohn]

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I don't think those objecting to drag queen story hour are afraid the children will get molested, I think they're afraid the children will want to do drag. That's why they're not clamoring to defund the Boy Scouts or arrest bishops who move "problem priests" around to evade scandal.

Yes, very possibly. But I think a fair proportion - including probably some of the participants in this very thread - are conflating (either consciously or unconsciously) "drag queen" with "predatory sex offender". It's the very same type of conflation that, even today, has reactionary bigots wary of gay people (gay men especially) being anywhere near children.

As I've said before on related issues: we can be thankful that most such people will be dead (or otherwise silent & irrelevant) before too long, since most of them are middle-aged and older.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

FFS, I'm tired of this. I provided evidence previously, we had an entire ******* thread where we talked about it. The response in general was "Oh, that's an outlier, it's not a problem".

...snip...

I don't think you did provide the evidence I just asked for. Again I'll ask to read what I actually post rather than imagining what you think I wrote.

I asked for evidence that "In several cases there were NOT any safeguarding measures taken. "

Which are these "several cases"?
Were there no safeguarding procedures or did the procedures fail or were they not followed?

[Darat]

Originally Posted by theprestige

"But American schoolteachers don't benefit from institutional, systemic enabling of their child molestation, the way Catholic priests do!"

They don't - have you only just realised that?

[theprestige]

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

they don't.

This is a weird comment of yours.
Sounds like you are minimizing the systematic harm and coverup the Churches (not just Catholic) have done over the last century to bash teachers.

I think people are cherry-picking cases to bash priests.

[Matthew Best]

Originally Posted by LondonJohn

You seem unusually fixated on linking to reports of transgender people abusing children (where it would also appear that most of these perpetrators declared their transgender identity POST committing their offences and getting caught - possibly because they've heard that they might get better treatment in prison by doing so....).

Is there any particular reason why you don't seem to link to (eg) reports of cisgender teachers, athletic coaches, children's group leaders (eg scoutmasters, or... parents/guardians (who are by an absolutely huge margin the worst offenders of this type - both numerically and proportionately)? Or is it only the transgender ones you wish to demonise?

Is there some reason you think transgender people should be immune or their offences ignored?

Also, Amy George was transgender long before her/his offence, so this is completely wrong.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by theprestige

I think people are cherry-picking cases to bash the RCC priests.

A sort of FTFY.

You mean all the over a dozen official reports by states and so on into RCC abuse and its decades and decades of denials and cover-ups?

Please show me an equivalent international organisation for say teachers, one that can move people from school to school without informing anyone of the abusers' past, can even move them from country to country, and that had official policies to deny abuse?

[tyr_13]

Originally Posted by tyr_13

Your stated standard removes drag performers from being able to interact with kids anyway. I mean, it should be applicable to many if not most entertainers the way you talk about it yet support for applying these restrictions outside of drag disappears.

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Why do you think drag performers are unable to meet a G-rating standard?


What do you mean? I 100% support applying those same restrictions to any entertainer that is engaged to interact specifically with children in a publicly funded setting, especially when the parents are not likely to be present as well.

Originally Posted by theprestige

Jimmy Savile comes to mind.

But most entertainers outside of drag aren't normalizing womanface or hypersexualizing femininity for entertainment purposes. So the hazards aren't always readily apparent in other cases.

But I mean, yes, of course you'd think twice about sending Jimmy Carr to entertain a group of children in a school library.

And yes, I think that comedy womanface and hypersexualized femininity are entertainments properly reserved for mature adults. Kids are already processing more than enough in their lives, without having to try to figure out what drag is supposed to mean.

A response in a more appropriate thread.