Wrong "Store" Shooting

[The_Animus]

Another new study

Conservative America has far more gun deaths than liberal America, study finds

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In regions dominated by pro-gun politicians, the number of gun deaths is far higher than in areas controlled by pro-gun control politicians.

The pattern of blue regions being safer than red regions held even when analyzing the two most common specific types of gun-related deaths, suicides and homicides.

[The_Animus]

Also Bogative, assuming we accept your premise regarding higher gun violence by black people, what are your proposed solutions to reduce that?

[I Am The Scum]

Originally Posted by The_Animus

Also Bogative, assuming we accept your premise regarding higher gun violence by black people, what are your proposed solutions to reduce that?

He's not allowed to say! He's being silenced! Silenced people cannot shut up about how much they've been silenced!

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by The_Animus

Another new study

Conservative America has far more gun deaths than liberal America, study finds

Doesn't that reinforce the conservative argument though? It's not the conservatives doing the killing. It's the subset of the, shall we say, non-MAGA hat wearing contingent that the conservatives claim they need to defend themselves against?

Their new slogan is "Regions don't kill people. Non-conservatives in a region kill people"

[The_Animus]

Originally Posted by Thermal

Doesn't that reinforce the conservative argument though? It's not the conservatives doing the killing. It's the subset of the, shall we say, non-MAGA hat wearing contingent that the conservatives claim they need to defend themselves against?

Their new slogan is "Regions don't kill people. Non-conservatives in a region kill people"

No, that doesn't make any sense. If it was the non-maga minority subset in majority conservative areas doing all the killing then you should see even higher rates of killings in liberal areas where that non-maga subset is the majority.

It's like when I point out that liberal states and counties tend to pay more in federal taxes and get less in federal aid than conservative states and counties. Our resident conservatives like to think of themselves as makers and liberals as takers and claim that the low taxes paid and high aid received in conservative states and counties is from the liberals living there. I ask, if this is the case, shouldn't liberal states and counties have even less in taxes paid and more in aid received since a greater portion of their population is liberals? I never got a response.

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by RolandRat

Going by the stats listed in the source:

https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv21.pdf

Black on white is around 18% and white on black is around 11%.

But... But... Bog said it was 10:1 black on white violence. Surely the far right leaning City Journal wouldn't exercise bias on such an issue. (Not that even it supported the 10:1 claim.) Come to think of it, 10:1 is such a nice, round number, I think it may offer a clue as to the shape of the orifice from whence it was extracted.

Looking at page twelve of that source, we see statistics for reported violent crimes by the ethnicity of victim and perpetrator. It shows that of 2,641,720 assaults (of all types) against whites in 2021, 480,030 were committed by black people, while 1,495,440 were committed by white people. That's 3.1x more assaults by other white people as by black people.

So how 'bout it, Bog? Care to defend your 10:1 claim?

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by The_Animus

No, that doesn't make any sense. If it was the non-maga minority subset in majority conservative areas doing all the killing then you should see even higher rates of killings in liberal areas where that non-maga subset is the majority.

The non-MAGA subset is the majority in many of those areas, like their "New France" region, and the non-MAGA subset is disproportionately doing the killing.

An absolutely stunning statistic I read recently is that in my beloved NJ USA, a black man is 106x more likely to die by a gun than a white guy. That's not a typo. One hundred and six times more likely. NJ is a blue state with strict no carry laws. So I'd think the rates are still tied closely to factors other than red or blue.

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It's like when I point out that liberal states and counties tend to pay more in federal taxes and get less in federal aid than conservative states and counties. Our resident conservatives like to think of themselves as makers and liberals as takers and claim that the low taxes paid and high aid received in conservative states and counties is from the liberals living there. I ask, if this is the case, shouldn't liberal states and counties have even less in taxes paid and more in aid received since a greater portion of their population is liberals? I never got a response.

Well the liberal states are overwhelmingly richer. Like, dramatically. Abundant cash will make any problem vanish. You don't need the federal aid when you are swimming in loot. That's not a federal lib/cons thing. It's a State checkbook thing.

Bottom line as I see it is that tighter gun laws will make gun crime go down. Pretty obviously. But does that annoying demographic rate go down? Not in my fair state. It skyrocketed.

So the problem, like any other major problem, shouldn't be addressed as a single issue. There are multiple angles. Tighten gun laws is a no-brainer, but at the same time, you have to identify the demographic that is not overly concerned with laws and address that too, whether red or blue.

[TurkeysGhost]

Originally Posted by Thermal

Well the liberal states are overwhelmingly richer. Like, dramatically. Abundant cash will make any problem vanish. You don't need the federal aid when you are swimming in loot. That's not a federal lib/cons thing. It's a State checkbook thing.

I mean, that's still a liberal/conservative thing because liberal policies result in more general prosperity and thus higher state revenues.

"Small government" principles only work for some people and are disastrous for the general public. It's telling that even with the high cost of doing business in liberal snowflake land many businesses have zero interest in relocating to red country.

[Thermal]

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

I mean, that's still a liberal/conservative thing because liberal policies result in more general prosperity and thus higher state revenues.

Soooooort of. Any genuinely impoverished inner city is going to be overwhelmingly blue. They're not exactly rolling in the jingle. Might have a bit of a chicken or egg thing there. The high prosperity bred liberal outlooks?

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"Small government" principles only work for some people and are disastrous for the general public. It's telling that even with the high cost of doing business in liberal snowflake land many businesses have zero interest in relocating to red country.

Agreed that Red ideology only benefits those at the top of the food chain. See economics, trickle down, abysmal failure of et al. Whether business relocated to Red Country or outsourced offshore to the ultimate Red World Economy might be a different set of incentives.

[Bogative]

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

But... But... Bog said it was 10:1 black on white violence.

So how 'bout it, Bog? Care to defend your 10:1 claim?

The ratio is 7:1 black-on-white violence, not 10:1. That's a big win you get yourself there, Zyg.

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by Bogative

The ratio is 7:1 black-on-white violence, not 10:1. That's a big win you get yourself there, Zyg.

See the other thread for my comment on your poor compression of statistics.

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by Bogative

The ratio is 7:1 black-on-white violence, not 10:1. That's a big win you get yourself there, Zyg.

[Citation needed] .

Given your track record, I have absolutely no confidence that this figure has any relation to reality.

[Bogative]

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

[Citation needed] .

Given your track record, I have absolutely no confidence that this figure has any relation to reality.

Provided above in post #114, you're welcome.

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by Bogative

Provided above in post #114, you're welcome.

Lies from a far right propoganda rag aren't evidence. Even if they do agree with your racism.

[Bogative]

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Lies from a far right propoganda rag aren't evidence. Even if they do agree with your racism.

Classic ad hominem x2.

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by Bogative

Classic ad hominem x2.

It's not an ad hom when I'm describing your tactics and when your mentality is central to the discussion. What you say is the same as trying to stop people from pointing out Hitler's anti-semitism in a discussion on the holocaust.

But hey, you do you. It makes it much easier for the rest of us to know what you are.

[bluesjnr]

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

It's not an ad hom when I'm describing your tactics and when your mentality is central to the discussion. What you say is the same as trying to stop people from pointing out Hitler's anti-semitism in a discussion on the holocaust.

But hey, you do you. It makes it much easier for the rest of us to know what you are.

To address the highlighted as on topic.

Might I point out your stated desire, in this thread, to see anybody who is not of the same political persuasion as your self, "destroyed", makes your ire somewhat... contradictory.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Bogative

Classic ad hominem x2.

It's not an ad hominem. At worst it might be a genetic fallacy.

[Bogative]

2 victims of a socio-economic situation decided April 10 was the day they wanted to "go out and kill a white guy." Their unfortunate victim was a 66-year-old handyman who was standing in front of the apartment complex repairing a mailbox when he was gunned down in a drive-by shooting. Must not of been the wrong address because the story isn't getting much attention on the national level.

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Tahj Matthews, 23, and Maurice Holmes, 25, have been booked with first-degree murder in connection with the killing of the 66-year-old handyman who was shot on April 10.

Kenner Police Chief Keith Conley said Tuesday, “We have not found any relation between the victim and the suspects. In fact, the victim’s back was to the suspects when the shots were fired.”

[Crossbow]

Originally Posted by Bogative

2 victims of a socio-economic situation decided April 10 was the day they wanted to "go out and kill a white guy." Their unfortunate victim was a 66-year-old handyman who was standing in front of the apartment complex repairing a mailbox when he was gunned down in a drive-by shooting. Must not of been the wrong address because the story isn't getting much attention on the national level.

This may be news to you, but humans have often killed other humans for any number of stupid reasons.

[Parsman]

Originally Posted by Bogative

2 victims of a socio-economic situation decided April 10 was the day they wanted to "go out and kill a white guy." Their unfortunate victim was a 66-year-old handyman who was standing in front of the apartment complex repairing a mailbox when he was gunned down in a drive-by shooting. Must not of been the wrong address because the story isn't getting much attention on the national level.

Which prooves there are too many guns in America because anyone of any age, colour, creed, political stance or gender can get hold of firearms and inflict death and destruction on innocent people. Thanks for proving yet again that US society as a whole is sick

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by Bogative

Not all gun cultures are the same. My gun culture doesn't involve shooting pregnant women in the stomach so I can joyride her crappy car. So, no.

In your gun culture, how is your gun stored? How is it carried? If you carry, is it in a retention holster? Have you ever done assess and fire drills? When was the last time you fought a Red Man in retention drills? In your will, what is the plan to dispose of your guns?

I just bet your answers are, accessible, not in a retention holster, never, never, you didn't think of it. You'd be like the vast majority of gun owners. That means your gun culture is more likely to shoot an innocent person or have the gun stolen and it used in a crime. Your gun culture kills innocent people. There's a good chance the bad guy here got the gun from your gun culture.

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by Bogative

Classic ad hominem x2.

No, it's not an ad hominem. You try to make everything about race. You dance as close as you can to saying you think black people are genetically far more prone to violence than white people without actually stepping over the line, but you clearly try to lead others to take that final step for you, like you're practicing some sort of racist Socratic method. You complain that whoever controls the mainstream media (it's kinda feelin' like it's gotta be teh Joos, maybe?) goes out of its way to steer the public discourse on gun violence toward the red herring of easy access to all manner of guns, and away from the "real" issue which, as always with you, is black people. When a heavily armed psychopath murdered eight people at a mall, only stopping at that number because a police officer was able to intervene quickly out of sheer dumb luck, you predicted that the lack of an immediate ID of the shooter meant that the media was conspiring to hide his ethnicity. When it turned out that he was actually up to his armpits in neo-Nazi, White supremacist ideology, you attempted to deflect that with a no true Scotsman fallacy by saying he wasn't white enough, so his giant Nazi tattoos and racist social media rants don't really count.

You can try the "it's not racist 'cause I didn't use the N-word", and "I'm just asking questions" excuses if you want, but we aren't obligated to redefine racism so you can avoid the label.

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by Bogative

Not all gun cultures are the same. My gun culture doesn't involve shooting pregnant women in the stomach so I can joyride her crappy car. So, no.

Here's another example. Your posting history heavily implies that the highlighted text is another way of saying "white gun culture", and that the murderer in the referenced event is representative of "black gun culture".

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by Bogative

2 victims of a socio-economic situation decided April 10 was the day they wanted to "go out and kill a white guy." Their unfortunate victim was a 66-year-old handyman who was standing in front of the apartment complex repairing a mailbox when he was gunned down in a drive-by shooting. Must not of been the wrong address because the story isn't getting much attention on the national level.

The highlighted is clearly a euphemism for "black people".

Again, it's always about race with you. If you have some statistical proof that the national news media are conspiring to hide shootings that are perpetrated by black people, then either show us the comprehensive data or take it the the CT sub-forum where it belongs - with the microchip vaccines, NASA hoax, Elders of Zion, flat earth, etcetera.

The fact is that most local shootings and murders don't make national news. They may get a brief mention, if anything. If those same two ******** from your above account had gone into a mall, a school, a nightclub or a busy downtown street and started randomly gunning people down with AR-15s they would definitely have made national, even international news. Your problem seems to be that you want the news to focus specifically on killings by black people, with the underlying message that they're just prone to this sort of thing - that it's their "culture". I'm guessing this is because whatever right-wing, racist media you're consuming is already doing that, and, having assumed it's true, you think the rest of the news media is deliberately hiding something.

[Bogative]

Originally Posted by Crossbow

This may be news to you, but humans have often killed other humans for any number of stupid reasons.

It's not news to me at all. I'm pointing out how some of these killings garner national and worldwide attention while others are largely ignored. Some are used to further a narrative of relentless racism and perpetual victimhood while some are dismissed as stupid.

[Bogative]

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

No, it's not an ad hominem.

Yes, it is. The poster dismissed the "lies" from government data because they come from a "right-wing rag" and followed up by attacking "[my] racism."

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You dance as close as you can to saying you think black people are genetically far more prone to violence than white people without actually stepping over the line, but you clearly try to lead others to take that final step for you, like you're practicing some sort of racist Socratic method.

Genetics have nothing to do with it. This is primarily a cultural thing in my opinion, and it involves a very, very small percentage of the black population.

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You complain that whoever controls the mainstream media (it's kinda feelin' like it's gotta be teh Joos, maybe?) goes out of its way to steer the public discourse on gun violence toward the red herring of easy access to all manner of guns's,

Your mind-reading is ******* retarded.

And I will take this opportunity to remind you that the Texas mall shooter was Latino, what the left would consider "brown" if he were being victimized by a white person.

[Bogative]

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

Here's another example. Your posting history heavily implies that the highlighted text is another way of saying "white gun culture", and that the murderer in the referenced event is representative of "black gun culture".

Not black culture. Culture of criminality.

[Bogative]

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

The highlighted is clearly a euphemism for "black people".

Again, it's always about race with you. If you have some statistical proof that the national news media are conspiring to hide shootings that are perpetrated by black people, then either show us the comprehensive data or take it the the CT sub-forum where it belongs - with the microchip vaccines, NASA hoax, Elders of Zion, flat earth, etcetera.

The fact is that most local shootings and murders don't make national news. They may get a brief mention, if anything. If those same two ******** from your above account had gone into a mall, a school, a nightclub or a busy downtown street and started randomly gunning people down with AR-15s they would definitely have made national, even international news. Your problem seems to be that you want the news to focus specifically on killings by black people, with the underlying message that they're just prone to this sort of thing - that it's their "culture". I'm guessing this is because whatever right-wing, racist media you're consuming is already doing that, and, having assumed it's true, you think the rest of the news media is deliberately hiding something.

Yes, it is a euphemism for black people. One that I picked up right here at the ol' ISF. It is commonly thrown about when it's time to start making excuses for certain types of shootings. Because in the mind of the left, black people have no agency, they deserve to be treated differently than everyone else, you know, because they're not quite the same...


If the media isn't biased when it comes to incidents involving interracial crime, explain why two black man murdering a white man just because he is white receives very little attention compared to a black boy being shot for knocking on the wrong door or a black man who died after being restrained by a white guy because he was menacing people in a subway car.

The phrase "culture of criminality" that I choose came from Prof. Glenn Loury, you should listen to his podcast sometime, you may actually learn something worthwhile.

I will link to his latest, which I haven't been able to listen to yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eY1Ggb6eE4

[lomiller]

Originally Posted by Bogative

Not black culture. Culture of criminality.

Then why don't you oppose the culture of criminality that has infected police departments?

In any case it's not a cultural issue either. There is more crime in poorer less educated communities and there always has been. Objectively speaking racism is the reason why black communities are poorer and less well educated, so if you want to blame a "culture" for this blame the one that oppressed black Americans and forced them into poverty to begin with.

[Bogative]

Carlton Gilford, a black man, approached Lundin Hathcock, a white man, as he was sitting at a table in a library and shot him in the head from behind. Later, Carlton also approached James McDaniel, a white man, as he stood in line at a convenience store and shot him in the back of the head.

Guilford have been charged with a hate crime.

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The information suggests that race played a role in it and I feel like that is something we can prove, and it is something that a judge or jury obviously needs to listen to. So we will present that information along with everything else

No word on whether or not these 2 were celebrity impersonators.

[Bogative]

Originally Posted by lomiller

Then why don't you oppose the culture of criminality that has infected police departments?

Who says I don't? There's no need for me to join that dog pile on this board.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Bogative

Who says I don't? There's no need for me to join that dog pile on this board.

That does.

[Parsman]

Originally Posted by Bogative

Not black culture. Culture of criminality.

American culture in general. Too many guns in too many hands with lax regulations or lax application of the regulations that do exist. And allowing just about anybody to own any kind of firearm which they can afford and allowing them to use them straight away. The "criminality" of the culture is this laissez faire libertarian approach to guns, which leads to even someone just having a very bad day opening fire and killing innocent people. Tt doesn't matter if the are black, white, red or brown, if they are male or female or other, if they are right wing or lefty wing or centrist, if they are Muslim, Christian or any or no faith. If they are American, brought up in your sick society, if they snap the bullets can always fly.

[dirtywick]

the guy that's spent every day for the last 3 years compiling a thread of every black gun crime in the country getting offended at being called racist is pretty funny

[Crossbow]

Originally Posted by Bogative

It's not news to me at all. I'm pointing out how some of these killings garner national and worldwide attention while others are largely ignored. Some are used to further a narrative of relentless racism and perpetual victimhood while some are dismissed as stupid.

Well then, if this is actually the case, then please allow me to thank you for pointing out this most insightful fact.

[Bogative]

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

But... But... Bog said it was 10:1 black on white violence. Surely the far right leaning City Journal wouldn't exercise bias on such an issue. (Not that even it supported the 10:1 claim.) Come to think of it, 10:1 is such a nice, round number, I think it may offer a clue as to the shape of the orifice from whence it was extracted.


So how 'bout it, Bog? Care to defend your 10:1 claim?

You'll have to forgive me, I thought I saw 10:1 somewhere but couldn't remember exactly where.

The number was 9.8x and it wasn't for interracial violence, it was for interracial murder.

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A random Black person is 9.8x more likely than a random White person to commit interracial murder (403/41)

Simple mistake, really.

[Bogative]

It was a big week in the racial grievance industry – until it wasn't.

A viral video involving "City Bike Karen" made the rounds with all of the usual suspects chiming in about how whites are racist, blacks are victims and America is racist racist racist! The story? A 6 month pregnant white nurse was out white supremacying after working a 12 hour shift at the hospital and trying to steal a bike from an innocent black man.

Here are some of the headlines:

Ben Crump

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"This is unacceptable! A white woman was caught on camera attempting to STEAL a Citi Bike from a young Black man in NYC. She grossly tried to weaponize her tears to paint this man as a threat. This is EXACTLY the type of behavior that has endangered so many Black men in the past!”

Tariq Nasheed

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A suspected white supremacist woman tried to steal a Citi Bike from a Black kid after he paid for it, and when him and his friends wouldn't allow her to steal it, she went thru all the Karen tactics to try to get the Black youths hemmed up:
*Screaming for help
*Fake crying
*Mayo Babbling

NBC News

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The roughly two-minute video starts with a white woman wearing hospital scrubs straddling a Citi Bike screaming for help even though she doesn’t appear to be in danger”

The Young Turks

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White woman CRIES to get her way, Attempts to steal black man's bike.

The New York Post

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NYC hospital ‘Karen’ on leave after being accused of trying to take black man’s bike in viral video.

The examples go on and on and on…


Her own employer sent her packing after the fake outrage. They describe the incident as "disturbing" and even went as far as disavowing the nonexistent "discrimination."


All of the above headlines were complete and utter racist bull ****. After getting off work, Sarah Jane Comrie went to a City Bike rack, sat on a bike, paid for it with an app and started to back away from the releasing mechanism when an underprivileged, at-risk, victim of socioeconomic circumstances walked up behind her and pushed the bike back into the locking mechanism. She confronted him and became the new face of white supremacy.

I'm sure one of the resident "skeptics" will be along shortly to inform me that there is no racial bias in the media. I'm looking forward to the laugh.

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by Bogative

You'll have to forgive me, I thought I saw 10:1 somewhere but couldn't remember exactly where.

The number was 9.8x and it wasn't for interracial violence, it was for interracial murder.

Simple mistake, really.

It's always telling when someone presents some evidence, is shown that it doesn't say what he thinks it says, then goes away for a while to dig through the trash to find some smelly lump that he thinks will save his argument.

Your first source was the U.S. Department of Justice. But it contains too much data - for your argument. It showed the selective bias used to come up with a 7:1 number guaranteed to shock and terrify racist bigots, and thus justify their racism.

Your new source is a "journalist" who goes by the pseudonym 'datahazard' and publishes on Substack, which has earned a reputation for being a place where people go when no one else will publish their trash. He uses the same statistical games to come up with an even scarier number of 9.8:1. Now 7:1 is pretty hard-core fear-porn, so 9.8:1 is like farm animal level fear-porn. Datahazard is also quite popular with other racist writers, like Arthur Sido, who is pretty ******* disgusting.


This thread is a racist parody of another thread that, apparently, wasn't focused enough on how much people should fear black people for your taste. You keep protesting that you are unjustly characterized as racist, but you keep promoting racist ideology and citing racist sources. Not that there's anything unusual about that. Your CT is that the "liberal media" is hiding the shocking extent to which melanin makes people more bloodthirsty. Other CT proponents regularly promote their pet Gnostic cults while pretending they aren't really advocating them, but are "just asking questions". That provides a ready made excuse for never having to actually defend their position.

[The_Animus]

Originally Posted by Bogative

It was a big week in the racial grievance industry – until it wasn't.

A viral video involving "City Bike Karen" made the rounds with all of the usual suspects chiming in about how whites are racist, blacks are victims and America is racist racist racist! The story? A 6 month pregnant white nurse was out white supremacying after working a 12 hour shift at the hospital and trying to steal a bike from an innocent black man.

Here are some of the headlines:

Ben Crump


Tariq Nasheed


NBC News



The Young Turks


The New York Post

The examples go on and on and on…


Her own employer sent her packing after the fake outrage. They describe the incident as "disturbing" and even went as far as disavowing the nonexistent "discrimination."


All of the above headlines were complete and utter racist bull ****. After getting off work, Sarah Jane Comrie went to a City Bike rack, sat on a bike, paid for it with an app and started to back away from the releasing mechanism when an underprivileged, at-risk, victim of socioeconomic circumstances walked up behind her and pushed the bike back into the locking mechanism. She confronted him and became the new face of white supremacy.

I'm sure one of the resident "skeptics" will be along shortly to inform me that there is no racial bias in the media. I'm looking forward to the laugh.

Evidence? The video I watched of the incident doesn't align with your version of events in the slightest.