[Continuation] The Russian invasion of Ukraine part 7 - Page 2

theprestige · 3rd May 2023, 12:06 PM

"We need the audience to see it being shot down by the advanced air defense systems we recently deployed around Moscow."

"But what if the cyka Pantsir shoots the Kremlin by accident?"

"Good point. How about this? We switch off the Pantsirs, then blow a squib on the drone to simulate it being shot down."

("Sir, do we tell him we don't even have the Pantsirs switched on anyway?")

dudalb · 3rd May 2023, 12:34 PM

I don't know who fired it, but sad that it missed the target.
BTW, if the Ukraine did somehow launch it, Putin is 100% a legitmate target of war.

Drewbot · 3rd May 2023, 01:05 PM

This is a Russian propaganda attack on itself. No way Ukraine is wasting a drone to hit the dome of the Kremlin. They could easily hit a fuel depot or an air field and do more damage.

Steve · 3rd May 2023, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

This is a Russian propaganda attack on itself. No way Ukraine is wasting a drone to hit the dome of the Kremlin. They could easily hit a fuel depot or an air field and do more damage.

Looks that way.

Dr.Sid · 3rd May 2023, 01:12 PM

Well, let's hope it doesn't mean they plan to nuke Kyiv tomorrow.

TragicMonkey · 3rd May 2023, 01:21 PM

Perhaps somebody near to Putin is setting up his murder and attempting to create a smokescreen of deflection. If Putin's found drowned at the bottom of a stairwell tomorrow morning, with a note reading "We did this, signed: Ukraine" stapled to his forehead, well, I for one will be quite ready to call it a suspicious death.

Drewbot · 3rd May 2023, 01:38 PM

Russia now calling for Zelensky's assassination, which verifies this was a false flag.
https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status...980514821?s=20

TragicMonkey · 3rd May 2023, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Russia now calling for Zelensky's assassination

Wait, so they haven't been trying before now?

Mike! · 3rd May 2023, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Wait, so they haven't been trying before now?

Yeah, but this time they really mean it.

Vixen · 3rd May 2023, 01:53 PM

Obviously a false flag and a pathetic one at that. However, it is ironic to see Russia claiming to be ANGRY that a foreign power launched a missile on their land.

So now the clown Medvedev is calling for retaliation in the form of eliminating Zelenskyy and his cabinet. A couple of TU's with nuclear warheads are now reportedly trolling the Ukraine border. The US Embassy has advised US citizens in Kyiv to take air raid warnings tonight seriously.

dudalb · 3rd May 2023, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Steve

Looks that way.

Yeah, a botched Gleiwitz or Blown up piece of Railroad Track in Manchuria.

dudalb · 3rd May 2023, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Perhaps somebody near to Putin is setting up his murder and attempting to create a smokescreen of deflection. If Putin's found drowned at the bottom of a stairwell tomorrow morning, with a note reading "We did this, signed: Ukraine" stapled to his forehead, well, I for one will be quite ready to call it a suspicious death.

SO another botched Valkayrie?

Vixen · 3rd May 2023, 02:59 PM

Some pundits are predicting that the Kremlin 9th May (anniversary of the fall of Hitler) victory parade will go ahead but not the regional ones owing more to apathy on the part of local Russians than any claimed sensitivities towards the feelings of Ukrainians, as Putin might offer as an excuse. Further, if Russia fails to take Bakhmut and are forced to retreat in the promised coming Ukraine counter-offensive, especially if so by 9th May, then Russia, it is predicted, will fall into a state of civil war and dissolution, not dissimilar to the fall of the Soviet Union.

Dr.Sid · 3rd May 2023, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

SO another botched Valkayrie?

I don't think it is. IMHO it's current regime work, clear "attack on Russia", as an excuse for something nasty. Russia can't do much. But they still can do a lot of nasty. For some reason they always needed some form of stupid excuse, even if everybody sees through it, and everybody knows they will do anything without any reason anyway.

pzkpfw · 3rd May 2023, 03:27 PM

I doubt that kind of attack could ever be really targeted at one person. The attacker would have to know which window of which building to fly in at what time. (Or something like that.) Way too unlikely. It'd need to be an attack that takes out an entire wing of a building when you know a meeting's on in it.

I'm voting for false flag for internal propaganda purposes. Rile up the citizens whose support for the ~~war~~ special operation was flagging.

Arcade22 · 3rd May 2023, 04:14 PM

It sure is convenient that this happened after the Kremlin has ordered things like the "Immortal Regiment" to be cancelled and other military parade events restricted, out of fear of "terrorist attacks".

Can't risk having people showing off portraits of the tens of thousands that have died in Putin's war.

Trebuchet · 3rd May 2023, 04:23 PM

Appears to have been two drones 20 minutes apart. People visible climbing the dome may have been inspecting for damage from the first one. Which would appear to have been pretty minimal, regardless.

dudalb · 3rd May 2023, 04:43 PM

Remembe the attack on the Kremlin in one of the MIssion Impossible movies?

Foster Zygote · 3rd May 2023, 07:10 PM

The only thing that gives me pause while considering the suspicious nature of these drone attacks is the fact that, historically, Putin's false-flag actions have tended to result in a hell of a lot more dead Russian civilians. Maybe Vlad's going soft?

timhau · 3rd May 2023, 08:03 PM

Or maybe it's just that this time he wants people to think that Ukraine went after the only "civilian" that matters to him.

gypsyjackson · 4th May 2023, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by Lplus

North Korea?
Venezuela?

Plus Cuba, Myanmar, Belarus, Nicaragua, Syria, and Eritrea, I’d guess.

Ian Osborne · 4th May 2023, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

BTW, if the Ukraine did somehow launch it, Putin is 100% a legitmate target of war.

This, with a cherry on the top.

theprestige · 4th May 2023, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I don't know who fired it, but sad that it missed the target.
BTW, if the Ukraine did somehow launch it, Putin is 100% a legitmate target of war.

Putin is 100% a legitimate target, but aimlessly flailing at the Kremlin dome with a damp squib isn't really a credible attempt on Putin's life. If Ukraine did somehow launch it, that would be very embarrassing for Ukraine. They'd be much better off keeping their powder dry, and waiting for a serious opportunity.

jimbob · 4th May 2023, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Putin is 100% a legitimate target, but aimlessly flailing at the Kremlin dome with a damp squib isn't really a credible attempt on Putin's life. If Ukraine did somehow launch it, that would be very embarrassing for Ukraine. They'd be much better off keeping their powder dry, and waiting for a serious opportunity.

https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/sta...719950849?s=20

Quote:

Oliver Alexander
@OAlexanderDK
Clearly the Kremlin drone “assassination attempt” was aimed at hitting Putin during his well documented routine 2AM pole dancing lessons on the Kremlin Senate flagpole.
11:46 AM · May 4, 2023
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Mike! · 4th May 2023, 09:53 AM

https://twitter.com/SergeMiknevici1/...82144698785794

Foster Zygote · 4th May 2023, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by gypsyjackson

Plus Cuba, Myanmar, Belarus, Nicaragua, Syria, and Eritrea, I’d guess.

Also, presumably, Ünderland, Lovitzna, Kreplachistan, San Lorenzo and Florida.

timhau · 4th May 2023, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Putin is 100% a legitimate target, but aimlessly flailing at the Kremlin dome with a damp squib isn't really a credible attempt on Putin's life. If Ukraine did somehow launch it, that would be very embarrassing for Ukraine. They'd be much better off keeping their powder dry, and waiting for a serious opportunity.

I think what this actually indicates is that we (the West, or NATO) don't really have to worry about Russian reactions to our actions. If they feel like they have to justify whatever crap they intend to pull off, they'll do it all by themselves.

P.S. Boy does it feel good to refer to NATO as 'we'.

theprestige · 4th May 2023, 11:51 AM

Welcome to the club!

Arcade22 · 4th May 2023, 11:55 AM

The brain dead Russians are now saying that this "attack" was ordered by the USA and carried out by its "puppet-state" of Ukraine.

Ziggurat · 4th May 2023, 12:10 PM

I'm not convinced it was a false flag. Not that I think they're above such tactics, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were some random Russians pissed off at Vlad and hoping to stick it to him, even if only symbolically.

But yeah, doesn't really make sense as a Ukrainian operation. It had basically no chance of success in killing him, probably not even much of a scare, and would have diverted resources from other sabotage operations with greater battlefield impact.

jimbob · 4th May 2023, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

I'm not convinced it was a false flag. Not that I think they're above such tactics, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were some random Russians pissed off at Vlad and hoping to stick it to him, even if only symbolically.

But yeah, doesn't really make sense as a Ukrainian operation. It had basically no chance of success in killing him, probably not even much of a scare, and would have diverted resources from other sabotage operations with greater battlefield impact.

Indeed, there are a fair number of reasons why either side would or wouldn't want to do it. I do not think it was a serious attempt to kill Putin, though.

JoeMorgue · 4th May 2023, 12:23 PM

Also there's something about conflicts that sometimes make 3rd parties go "Oh yeah, I just remembered, I hate this country too."

Ukraine is not Russia's only enemy. Little side conflicts with unrelated parties popping in the middle of major wars aren't exactly unknown to history.

Maybe someone else with a grudge decided to pop Russia in the mouth. We're talking a drone attack, not a major military offensive.

jimbob · 4th May 2023, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Also there's something about conflicts that sometimes make 3rd parties go "Oh yeah, I just remembered, I hate this country too."

Ukraine is not Russia's only enemy. Little side conflicts with unrelated parties popping in the middle of major wars aren't exactly unknown to history.

Maybe someone else with a grudge decided to pop Russia in the mouth. We're talking a drone attack, not a major military offensive.

Please let it be separatists.

Chechens would be nice.

theprestige · 4th May 2023, 12:44 PM

Like the Nordstream thing, my money's on the Russians due to the buffoonery factor.

jimbob · 4th May 2023, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Like the Nordstream thing, my money's on the Russians due to the buffoonery factor.

You make a good point

a_unique_person · 4th May 2023, 01:43 PM

I think it's just a harassment striker. Putin is going to want more sure defences around the Kremlin rather than where they are really needed

JoeMorgue · 4th May 2023, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

I think it's just a harassment striker. Putin is going to want more sure defences around the Kremlin rather than where they are really needed

Same thought I had about the AWACS attack a few weeks back. Strike a high value target somewhere to draw away resources to defend it.

eerok · 4th May 2023, 03:42 PM

The Russian invasion of Ukraine essentially summarized in a 43-second video clip:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarV...federation_in/

(reddit.com)

Mike! · 4th May 2023, 04:04 PM

A little good old fashioned FAAFO!

Drewbot · 5th May 2023, 05:10 AM

Holy Crap, this is the most damning video of the war. Wagner leader calling out MOD leadership while pointing at the bodies of 30 dead Wagner fighters.

"WHERE ARE THE SHELLS?!"

Bodies and bleeped out swearing.
https://twitter.com/Jack_Mrgln/statu...114344962?s=20

With english subtitles
https://twitter.com/Baterial1/status...018260992?s=20

3rd May 2023, 12:06 PM	#41
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3rd May 2023, 01:05 PM	#43
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,643	This is a Russian propaganda attack on itself. No way Ukraine is wasting a drone to hit the dome of the Kremlin. They could easily hit a fuel depot or an air field and do more damage.
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3rd May 2023, 01:10 PM	#44
Steve Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 12,610	Originally Posted by Drewbot This is a Russian propaganda attack on itself. No way Ukraine is wasting a drone to hit the dome of the Kremlin. They could easily hit a fuel depot or an air field and do more damage. Looks that way.
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3rd May 2023, 01:21 PM	#46
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3rd May 2023, 01:38 PM	#47
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,643	Russia now calling for Zelensky's assassination, which verifies this was a false flag. https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status...980514821?s=20
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3rd May 2023, 12:34 PM	#42
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	I don't know who fired it, but sad that it missed the target. BTW, if the Ukraine did somehow launch it, Putin is 100% a legitmate target of war.

3rd May 2023, 01:12 PM	#45
Dr.Sid Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Olomouc, Czech Republic Posts: 4,128	Well, let's hope it doesn't mean they plan to nuke Kyiv tomorrow.

3rd May 2023, 01:42 PM	#48
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 66,035	Originally Posted by Drewbot Russia now calling for Zelensky's assassination Wait, so they haven't been trying before now?
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3rd May 2023, 01:48 PM	#49
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3rd May 2023, 01:53 PM	#50
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 32,715	Obviously a false flag and a pathetic one at that. However, it is ironic to see Russia claiming to be ANGRY that a foreign power launched a missile on their land. So now the clown Medvedev is calling for retaliation in the form of eliminating Zelenskyy and his cabinet. A couple of TU's with nuclear warheads are now reportedly trolling the Ukraine border. The US Embassy has advised US citizens in Kyiv to take air raid warnings tonight seriously.
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3rd May 2023, 02:36 PM	#51
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by Steve Looks that way. Yeah, a botched Gleiwitz or Blown up piece of Railroad Track in Manchuria.

3rd May 2023, 02:36 PM	#52
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Perhaps somebody near to Putin is setting up his murder and attempting to create a smokescreen of deflection. If Putin's found drowned at the bottom of a stairwell tomorrow morning, with a note reading "We did this, signed: Ukraine" stapled to his forehead, well, I for one will be quite ready to call it a suspicious death. SO another botched Valkayrie?

3rd May 2023, 02:59 PM	#53
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 32,715	Some pundits are predicting that the Kremlin 9th May (anniversary of the fall of Hitler) victory parade will go ahead but not the regional ones owing more to apathy on the part of local Russians than any claimed sensitivities towards the feelings of Ukrainians, as Putin might offer as an excuse. Further, if Russia fails to take Bakhmut and are forced to retreat in the promised coming Ukraine counter-offensive, especially if so by 9th May, then Russia, it is predicted, will fall into a state of civil war and dissolution, not dissimilar to the fall of the Soviet Union.
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3rd May 2023, 03:10 PM	#54
Dr.Sid Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Olomouc, Czech Republic Posts: 4,128	Originally Posted by dudalb SO another botched Valkayrie? I don't think it is. IMHO it's current regime work, clear "attack on Russia", as an excuse for something nasty. Russia can't do much. But they still can do a lot of nasty. For some reason they always needed some form of stupid excuse, even if everybody sees through it, and everybody knows they will do anything without any reason anyway.

3rd May 2023, 03:27 PM	#55
pzkpfw Thinker Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 187	I doubt that kind of attack could ever be really targeted at one person. The attacker would have to know which window of which building to fly in at what time. (Or something like that.) Way too unlikely. It'd need to be an attack that takes out an entire wing of a building when you know a meeting's on in it. I'm voting for false flag for internal propaganda purposes. Rile up the citizens whose support for the ~~war~~ special operation was flagging.
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3rd May 2023, 04:14 PM	#56
Arcade22 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 7,612	It sure is convenient that this happened after the Kremlin has ordered things like the "Immortal Regiment" to be cancelled and other military parade events restricted, out of fear of "terrorist attacks". Can't risk having people showing off portraits of the tens of thousands that have died in Putin's war.
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3rd May 2023, 04:23 PM	#57
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 36,535	Appears to have been two drones 20 minutes apart. People visible climbing the dome may have been inspecting for damage from the first one. Which would appear to have been pretty minimal, regardless.
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3rd May 2023, 04:43 PM	#58
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Remembe the attack on the Kremlin in one of the MIssion Impossible movies?

3rd May 2023, 07:10 PM	#59
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 20,767	The only thing that gives me pause while considering the suspicious nature of these drone attacks is the fact that, historically, Putin's false-flag actions have tended to result in a hell of a lot more dead Russian civilians. Maybe Vlad's going soft?
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3rd May 2023, 08:03 PM	#60
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 15,115	Or maybe it's just that this time he wants people to think that Ukraine went after the only "civilian" that matters to him.
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4th May 2023, 02:43 AM	#61
gypsyjackson Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 1,775	Originally Posted by Lplus North Korea? Venezuela? Plus Cuba, Myanmar, Belarus, Nicaragua, Syria, and Eritrea, I’d guess.

4th May 2023, 03:51 AM	#62
Ian Osborne JREF Kid Tagger Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,677	Originally Posted by dudalb BTW, if the Ukraine did somehow launch it, Putin is 100% a legitmate target of war. This, with a cherry on the top.
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4th May 2023, 08:07 AM	#63
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Antimemetics Division Posts: 64,327	Originally Posted by dudalb I don't know who fired it, but sad that it missed the target. BTW, if the Ukraine did somehow launch it, Putin is 100% a legitmate target of war. Putin is 100% a legitimate target, but aimlessly flailing at the Kremlin dome with a damp squib isn't really a credible attempt on Putin's life. If Ukraine did somehow launch it, that would be very embarrassing for Ukraine. They'd be much better off keeping their powder dry, and waiting for a serious opportunity.
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4th May 2023, 08:13 AM	#64
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 30,065	Originally Posted by theprestige Putin is 100% a legitimate target, but aimlessly flailing at the Kremlin dome with a damp squib isn't really a credible attempt on Putin's life. If Ukraine did somehow launch it, that would be very embarrassing for Ukraine. They'd be much better off keeping their powder dry, and waiting for a serious opportunity. https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/sta...719950849?s=20 Quote: Oliver Alexander @OAlexanderDK Clearly the Kremlin drone “assassination attempt” was aimed at hitting Putin during his well documented routine 2AM pole dancing lessons on the Kremlin Senate flagpole. 11:46 AM · May 4, 2023 ·
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4th May 2023, 10:45 AM	#66
Foster Zygote Dental Floss Tycoon Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 20,767	Originally Posted by gypsyjackson Plus Cuba, Myanmar, Belarus, Nicaragua, Syria, and Eritrea, I’d guess. Also, presumably, Ünderland, Lovitzna, Kreplachistan, San Lorenzo and Florida.
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4th May 2023, 11:26 AM	#67
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 15,115	Originally Posted by theprestige Putin is 100% a legitimate target, but aimlessly flailing at the Kremlin dome with a damp squib isn't really a credible attempt on Putin's life. If Ukraine did somehow launch it, that would be very embarrassing for Ukraine. They'd be much better off keeping their powder dry, and waiting for a serious opportunity. I think what this actually indicates is that we (the West, or NATO) don't really have to worry about Russian reactions to our actions. If they feel like they have to justify whatever crap they intend to pull off, they'll do it all by themselves. P.S. Boy does it feel good to refer to NATO as 'we'.
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4th May 2023, 11:51 AM	#68
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4th May 2023, 11:55 AM	#69
Arcade22 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 7,612	The brain dead Russians are now saying that this "attack" was ordered by the USA and carried out by its "puppet-state" of Ukraine.
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4th May 2023, 12:10 PM	#70
Ziggurat Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 53,917	I'm not convinced it was a false flag. Not that I think they're above such tactics, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were some random Russians pissed off at Vlad and hoping to stick it to him, even if only symbolically. But yeah, doesn't really make sense as a Ukrainian operation. It had basically no chance of success in killing him, probably not even much of a scare, and would have diverted resources from other sabotage operations with greater battlefield impact.
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4th May 2023, 12:19 PM	#71
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 30,065	Originally Posted by Ziggurat I'm not convinced it was a false flag. Not that I think they're above such tactics, but it wouldn't surprise me if it were some random Russians pissed off at Vlad and hoping to stick it to him, even if only symbolically. But yeah, doesn't really make sense as a Ukrainian operation. It had basically no chance of success in killing him, probably not even much of a scare, and would have diverted resources from other sabotage operations with greater battlefield impact. Indeed, there are a fair number of reasons why either side would or wouldn't want to do it. I do not think it was a serious attempt to kill Putin, though.
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4th May 2023, 12:23 PM	#72
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 44,114	Also there's something about conflicts that sometimes make 3rd parties go "Oh yeah, I just remembered, I hate this country too." Ukraine is not Russia's only enemy. Little side conflicts with unrelated parties popping in the middle of major wars aren't exactly unknown to history. Maybe someone else with a grudge decided to pop Russia in the mouth. We're talking a drone attack, not a major military offensive.
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4th May 2023, 12:24 PM	#73
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 30,065	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Also there's something about conflicts that sometimes make 3rd parties go "Oh yeah, I just remembered, I hate this country too." Ukraine is not Russia's only enemy. Little side conflicts with unrelated parties popping in the middle of major wars aren't exactly unknown to history. Maybe someone else with a grudge decided to pop Russia in the mouth. We're talking a drone attack, not a major military offensive. Please let it be separatists. Chechens would be nice.
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4th May 2023, 12:44 PM	#74
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4th May 2023, 01:00 PM	#75
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 30,065	Originally Posted by theprestige Like the Nordstream thing, my money's on the Russians due to the buffoonery factor. You make a good point
	__________________ OECD healthcare spending Public/Compulsory Expenditure on healthcare https://data.oecd.org/chart/60Tt Every year since 1990 the US Public healthcare spending has been greater than the UK as a proportion of GDP. More US Tax goes to healthcare than the UK