Group accused of making up story about homeless vets evicted to make room for migrant

shemp · 20th May 2023, 10:14 AM

Group accused of making up story about homeless vets evicted to make room for migrants

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The founder of a nonprofit group has been accused of fabricating a story about homeless military veterans being evicted from a New York hotel to make room for migrants, a tale that stoked days of outrage on cable news networks

Especially Fox News and Newsmax, of course.

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NEW YORK -- The founder of a nonprofit group has been accused of fabricating a story about homeless military veterans being evicted from a New York hotel to make room for migrants, a tale that stoked days of outrage on cable news networks.

One Republican lawmaker in New York who helped spread the story is now calling for an investigation, saying he and others were duped.

The uproar began after New York City Mayor Eric Adams, a Democrat, bused a small group of asylum seekers to a suburban hotel as the city's homeless shelter system struggled to accommodate an influx of migrants from the U.S. border with Mexico.

The group's transfer prompted a political backlash from Republican county officials, who accused the mayor of trying to offload his problems on unprepared communities.

Then, the founder of a small charity in the area added an explosive claim: To make way for the migrants, a hotel in Newburgh, New York, evicted nearly two dozen homeless veterans.

That story, told by Yerik Israel Toney Foundation chief executive Sharon Toney-Finch, was picked up May 12 by The New York Post and quickly followed by Fox News, Newsmax and other conservative news outlets. The Post on Friday published a follow-up story reporting on the latest development.

Then the story fell apart under investigation.

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Cracks in the story emerged after an investigation by a local newspaper, the Mid Hudson News.

The managers of the hotel told the paper the story wasn't true. A receipt purporting to show that the Crossroads Hotel had been paid $37,800 to house the veterans appeared to have been sloppily doctored.

In a follow-up report Friday, the Mid-Hudson News reported that several men staying at a homeless shelter in Poughkeepsie, New York, had come forward to say they were recruited to pretend they were among the veterans kicked out of the hotel. The paper quoted some of the men as saying they were offered $200, food and alcohol to take part in the ruse.

At least State Assemblyman Brian Maher, a Republican, has admitted he was wrong and has now called for an investigation into the group behind the hoax, the Yerik Israel Toney Foundation. But I'm sure you'll never hear a peep of a retraction from Fox or Newsmax.

TurkeysGhost · 20th May 2023, 11:03 AM

Nothing to see here, just a right wing hoax trying to gin up some good old fashioned race hate.

smartcooky · 21st May 2023, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by shemp

Group accused of making up story about homeless vets evicted to make room for migrants

Especially Fox News and Newsmax, of course.

Then the story fell apart under investigation.

At least State Assemblyman Brian Maher, a Republican, has admitted he was wrong and has now called for an investigation into the group behind the hoax, the Yerik Israel Toney Foundation. But I'm sure you'll never hear a peep of a retraction from Fox or Newsmax.

Well, there was a retraction... sort of, but it was piss weak.

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Only right-wing media ran with this story. Left wing media like NYT, WAPO, CNN, MSNBC, etc, did not air it or publish it for the simple reason that it failed fact checking.

Wudang · 21st May 2023, 01:19 PM

And now claims of "stolen valour" against the founder of the Yerik Israel Toney foundation

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/questions-...031603949.html

Gord_in_Toronto · 21st May 2023, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Wudang

And now claims of "stolen valour" against the founder of the Yerik Israel Toney foundation

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/questions-...031603949.html

This seems pretty definitive!

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However, U.S. Army spokesman Bryce Dubee told The Daily Beast on Friday that the Department of Defense does not know anything about Toney-Finch and a Purple Heart.

kookbreaker · 21st May 2023, 01:52 PM

Yeah, I mentioned this in the Sanctuary city thread over on US News. The people rending their shirts about hotels in suburbs being used avoided this as much as they could.

Fox News line: "for reasons we cannot understand they decided to fake this story"

Because it got your audience in a frothing rage, and you loved every second of it. That's the damn reason.

Gord_in_Toronto · 21st May 2023, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by kookbreaker

Yeah, I mentioned this in the Sanctuary city thread over on US News. The people rending their shirts about hotels in suburbs being used avoided this as much as they could.

Fox News line: "for reasons we cannot understand they decided to fake this story"

Because it got your audience in a frothing rage, and you loved every second of it. That's the damn reason.

I mean isn't that Fox's entire modus operandi?

bruto · 21st May 2023, 09:28 PM

I actually briefly fell for that one. I keep forgetting that the so called news media are not just biased and inaccurate but downright mendacious.

smartcooky · 21st May 2023, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

I actually briefly fell for that one. I keep forgetting that the so called news media are not just biased and inaccurate but downright mendacious.

There is a very effective filter I use to determine which political stories are fact and which are bull-****.

Any story that appears on, or, in any ultra conservative media (Faux News, Newsmax, OAN, New York Post etc) and does not also appear on less extreme conservative media (WSJ, Reason, Real Clear Politics) or centre media such as (PBS, AP, Reuters, Pew, The Hill etc) can be dismissed.

Reason being that Faux News, Newsmax and OAN don't do any fact checking. In fact, they try to fire staffers who even suggest fact checking. The only criteria any story needs to meet for these pseudo news outlets are...

1. It contributes to their pre-chosen narrative?
2. It riles up the morons in their audience?

Orphia Nay · 21st May 2023, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

I actually briefly fell for that one. I keep forgetting that the so called news media are not just biased and inaccurate but downright mendacious.

It'll be interesting to see if it was a journalist or a politician bribing the homeless to lie.

Gulliver Foyle · 22nd May 2023, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

There is a very effective filter I use to determine which political stories are fact and which are bull-****.

Any story that appears on, or, in any ultra conservative media (Faux News, Newsmax, OAN, New York Post etc) and does not also appear on less extreme conservative media (WSJ, Reason, Real Clear Politics) or centre media such as (PBS, AP, Reuters, Pew, The Hill etc) can be dismissed.

Reason being that Faux News, Newsmax and OAN don't do any fact checking. In fact, they try to fire staffers who even suggest fact checking. The only criteria any story needs to meet for these pseudo news outlets are...

1. It contributes to their pre-chosen narrative?
2. It riles up the morons in their audience?

I wouldn't trust the WSJ, Reason or RCP as far as I could throw them personally.

The Great Zaganza · 22nd May 2023, 06:09 AM

WSJ Editorial is on par with Newsmax, OAN, Infowars.
WSJ reporting is just money right wing.

smartcooky · 22nd May 2023, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

I wouldn't trust the WSJ, Reason or RCP as far as I could throw them personally.

Nor would I. I merely point out that even they have limits are to how far they would go without fact checking. They are what my father used to describe as "at the better end on the spectrum of right bastards"

smartcooky · 22nd May 2023, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

WSJ Editorial is on par with Newsmax, OAN, Infowars.
WSJ reporting is just money right wing.

Media bias charts do not support that view.

mumblethrax · 22nd May 2023, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Media bias charts do not support that view.

Yeah, but that chart is nonsense. They've got The Epoch Times, a Falun Gong publication that exists primarily to spread far right conspiracy theories, as "center right".

lobosrul5 · 22nd May 2023, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by mumblethrax

Yeah, but that chart is nonsense. They've got The Epoch Times, a Falun Gong publication that exists primarily to spread far right conspiracy theories, as "center right".

They have WSJ - News as center, with WSJ - Opinion as center right.

Crossbow · 22nd May 2023, 03:02 PM

It is sad to say, but the fact of the matter is that a large number of Republicans have so much hatred that they will literally create all sorts of whacky facts in order to justify their rage.

gnome · 22nd May 2023, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

It is sad to say, but the fact of the matter is that a large number of Republicans have so much hatred that they will literally create all sorts of whacky facts in order to justify their rage.

"Sure maybe a few stories are fake, but the left-wing MSM lies constantly, why isn't everyone angry about that instead?"

Norman Alexander · 22nd May 2023, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Media bias charts do not support that view.

REALLY have to laugh when they say The New Yorker is "left". All the billionaires living in mansions on upper Fifth Avenue will be rattling their jewellery with laughter while their chauffeurs drive them to the Lincoln Center.

smartcooky · 22nd May 2023, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

REALLY have to laugh when they say The New Yorker is "left".

But is not "them" actually saying that, is it? Its an aggregate of assessments from a multi-partisan group.

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

All the billionaires living in mansions on upper Fifth Avenue will be rattling their jewellery with laughter while their chauffeurs drive them to the Lincoln Center.

Really? You are basing news people's political persuasions on their wealth?

Go check out the net worth of, say, Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes, Ari Melber, Anderson Cooper, etc, then come back and tell me they are not left wing.

Norman Alexander · 22nd May 2023, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

But is not "them" actually saying that, is it? Its an aggregate of assessments from a multi-partisan group.

Really? You are basing news people's political persuasions on their wealth?

Have you ever read The New Yorker?

They are assessing it "left" only because it doesn't have stupid headlines like "B-29 Bomber Found On Moon", and it talks about theater and the arts sometimes, and it doesn't have a set of norks-out on page 3. Apart from that, it's mainly for the Bloomingdales set. You know. Donny's end of town.

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Go check out the net worth of, say, Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes, Ari Melber, Anderson Cooper, etc, then come back and tell me they are not left wing.

Dude, that's the MAGA scale of leftness. Anything that's anywhere to the left of jackbooted sieg-heiling stormtroopers in MAGA or Proud Boy outfits is tantamount to "red-flag-waving October-9th-uprising Leninist-norms communism". And that includes center-right Republicans. And anyway, what has any of that got to do with The New Yorker magazine?

Gulliver Foyle · 23rd May 2023, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Media bias charts do not support that view.

Media Bias is a US media organisation. You need to skip everything two steps to the right.

Beerina · 23rd May 2023, 09:49 AM

Well, regardless of how successful the attempt, I've been saying bias is the choice of stories to harp on, day after day, year after year, not the accuracy of same, which is a separate issue.

Donal · 23rd May 2023, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

But is not "them" actually saying that, is it? Its an aggregate of assessments from a multi-partisan group.

And that "multi-partisan group" seems to have a conservative frame of mind.

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Really? You are basing news people's political persuasions on their wealth?

It is usually a pretty good indicator. Also, the content of the New Yorker.

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Go check out the net worth of, say, Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes, Ari Melber, Anderson Cooper, etc, then come back and tell me they are not left wing.

They are, in fact, not left-wing. Not that I believe in a one-dimensional line for that sort of thing.

Donal · 23rd May 2023, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

They have WSJ - News as center, with WSJ - Opinion as center right.

They have the New York Times Opinion section, the platform for the likes of Bret Stephens, David Brooks, and Ross Douthat, as far left.

Donal · 23rd May 2023, 12:18 PM

Honestly, this story isn't that big a deal once you remember that most of the concern over "DA TROOOPS" and homeless vets is just right-wing virtue signaling.

sarge · 25th May 2023, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Donal

Honestly, this story isn't that big a deal once you remember that most of the concern over "DA TROOOPS" and homeless vets is just right-wing virtue signaling.

A Vet being homeless is either an active choice or a symptom of some underlying mental impairment. A homeless ‘troop’ is a statistical myth.

US Veterans already have more resources devoted to their well-being than just about any other segment of American society. I am only 80%, but my health care and prescriptions are essentially free (well, they would be if I could be assed to go to the VA for them) and I receive a largish tax-free stipend as well. I could pay rent, utilities, and food with it alone. If I were rated at 100%, I could have no other income and live a middle-class lifestyle.

Republitards celebrate this, but lose their minds at the suggestion that most Americans should enjoy a similar sense of security.

jimbob · 25th May 2023, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by mumblethrax

Yeah, but that chart is nonsense. They've got The Epoch Times, a Falun Gong publication that exists primarily to spread far right conspiracy theories, as "center right".

And the Washington Times, for Moonies.

smartcooky · 26th May 2023, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by mumblethrax

Yeah, but that chart is nonsense. They've got The Epoch Times, a Falun Gong publication that exists primarily to spread far right conspiracy theories, as "center right".

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

They have WSJ - News as center, with WSJ - Opinion as center right.

Originally Posted by Donal

And that "multi-partisan group" seems to have a conservative frame of mind.

It is usually a pretty good indicator. Also, the content of the New Yorker.

They are, in fact, not left-wing. Not that I believe in a one-dimensional line for that sort of thing.

Originally Posted by Donal

They have the New York Times Opinion section, the platform for the likes of Bret Stephens, David Brooks, and Ross Douthat, as far left.

Originally Posted by jimbob

And the Washington Times, for Moonies.

Y'all maybe missed reading what it says on the chart, immediately below where it says "All Sides Media Bias Chart"

jimbob · 26th May 2023, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Y'all maybe missed reading what it says on the chart, immediately below where it says "All Sides Media Bias Chart"

That wasn't my issue with the chart.

I would say that Tlthe Epoch Times and (to a lesser extent) the Washington Times are significantly to the right of the Daily Mail rather than the left.

It's the relative positioning that I am taking issue with. Not just the catagories.

And how the catagories have shifted over a fairly short time.

https://www.allsides.com/blog/AllSid...Over-Time-2022

Which suggests volatility in their assessment approach.

smartcooky · 26th May 2023, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

That wasn't my issue with the chart.

I would say that the Epoch Times and (to a lesser extent) the Washington Times are significantly to the right of the Daily Mail rather than the left.

It's the relative positioning that I am taking issue with. Not just the catagories.

And how the catagories have shifted over a fairly short time.

https://www.allsides.com/blog/AllSid...Over-Time-2022

Which suggests volatility in their assessment approach.

You didn't actually read what it said did you?

You are talking about the Daily Mail Newspaper and the Washington Times Newspaper. The political slant of their print content often differs markedly from their online content.

mumblethrax · 26th May 2023, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

You are talking about the Daily Mail Newspaper and the Washington Times Newspaper. The political slant of their print content often differs markedly from their online content.

Well, no. Both of those print editions have extremely limited circulation in the US--almost nobody will be aware of how, or even whether, they differ from the online edition. I've never even seen the print edition of either.

And that's far from the only absurdity on the chart. I don't get why you're so invested in defending this goofy clickbait.

Gulliver Foyle · 27th May 2023, 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

You didn't actually read what it said did you?

You are talking about the Daily Mail Newspaper and the Washington Times Newspaper. The political slant of their print content often differs markedly from their online content.

The only difference between the Heil's print and online editions is that the online edition tends to drool over "how sexy" fourteen year old girls are more often the print edition.

20th May 2023, 10:14 AM	#1
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Where the Old Man of the Mountain used to stand Posts: 55,264	Group accused of making up story about homeless vets evicted to make room for migrant Group accused of making up story about homeless vets evicted to make room for migrants Quote: The founder of a nonprofit group has been accused of fabricating a story about homeless military veterans being evicted from a New York hotel to make room for migrants, a tale that stoked days of outrage on cable news networks Especially Fox News and Newsmax, of course. Quote: NEW YORK -- The founder of a nonprofit group has been accused of fabricating a story about homeless military veterans being evicted from a New York hotel to make room for migrants, a tale that stoked days of outrage on cable news networks. One Republican lawmaker in New York who helped spread the story is now calling for an investigation, saying he and others were duped. The uproar began after New York City Mayor Eric Adams, a Democrat, bused a small group of asylum seekers to a suburban hotel as the city's homeless shelter system struggled to accommodate an influx of migrants from the U.S. border with Mexico. The group's transfer prompted a political backlash from Republican county officials, who accused the mayor of trying to offload his problems on unprepared communities. Then, the founder of a small charity in the area added an explosive claim: To make way for the migrants, a hotel in Newburgh, New York, evicted nearly two dozen homeless veterans. That story, told by Yerik Israel Toney Foundation chief executive Sharon Toney-Finch, was picked up May 12 by The New York Post and quickly followed by Fox News, Newsmax and other conservative news outlets. The Post on Friday published a follow-up story reporting on the latest development. Then the story fell apart under investigation. Quote: Cracks in the story emerged after an investigation by a local newspaper, the Mid Hudson News. The managers of the hotel told the paper the story wasn't true. A receipt purporting to show that the Crossroads Hotel had been paid $37,800 to house the veterans appeared to have been sloppily doctored. In a follow-up report Friday, the Mid-Hudson News reported that several men staying at a homeless shelter in Poughkeepsie, New York, had come forward to say they were recruited to pretend they were among the veterans kicked out of the hotel. The paper quoted some of the men as saying they were offered $200, food and alcohol to take part in the ruse. At least State Assemblyman Brian Maher, a Republican, has admitted he was wrong and has now called for an investigation into the group behind the hoax, the Yerik Israel Toney Foundation. But I'm sure you'll never hear a peep of a retraction from Fox or Newsmax.
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20th May 2023, 11:03 AM	#2
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Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,697	Originally Posted by Wudang And now claims of "stolen valour" against the founder of the Yerik Israel Toney foundation https://uk.news.yahoo.com/questions-...031603949.html This seems pretty definitive! Quote: However, U.S. Army spokesman Bryce Dubee told The Daily Beast on Friday that the Department of Defense does not know anything about Toney-Finch and a Purple Heart.
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kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,540	Yeah, I mentioned this in the Sanctuary city thread over on US News. The people rending their shirts about hotels in suburbs being used avoided this as much as they could. Fox News line: "for reasons we cannot understand they decided to fake this story" Because it got your audience in a frothing rage, and you loved every second of it. That's the damn reason.
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21st May 2023, 08:15 PM	#7
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,697	Originally Posted by kookbreaker Yeah, I mentioned this in the Sanctuary city thread over on US News. The people rending their shirts about hotels in suburbs being used avoided this as much as they could. Fox News line: "for reasons we cannot understand they decided to fake this story" Because it got your audience in a frothing rage, and you loved every second of it. That's the damn reason. I mean isn't that Fox's entire modus operandi?
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21st May 2023, 09:28 PM	#8
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 34,758	I actually briefly fell for that one. I keep forgetting that the so called news media are not just biased and inaccurate but downright mendacious.
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smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 23,608	Originally Posted by bruto I actually briefly fell for that one. I keep forgetting that the so called news media are not just biased and inaccurate but downright mendacious. There is a very effective filter I use to determine which political stories are fact and which are bull-**. Any story that appears on, or, in any ultra conservative media (Faux News, Newsmax, OAN, New York Post etc) and does not also** appear on less extreme conservative media (WSJ, Reason, Real Clear Politics) or centre media such as (PBS, AP, Reuters, Pew, The Hill etc) can be dismissed. Reason being that Faux News, Newsmax and OAN don't do any fact checking. In fact, they try to fire staffers who even suggest fact checking. The only criteria any story needs to meet for these pseudo news outlets are... 1. It contributes to their pre-chosen narrative? 2. It riles up the morons in their audience?
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Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,697	Originally Posted by smartcooky There is a very effective filter I use to determine which political stories are fact and which are bull-**. Any story that appears on, or, in any ultra conservative media (Faux News, Newsmax, OAN, New York Post etc) and does not also** appear on less extreme conservative media (WSJ, Reason, Real Clear Politics) or centre media such as (PBS, AP, Reuters, Pew, The Hill etc) can be dismissed. Reason being that Faux News, Newsmax and OAN don't do any fact checking. In fact, they try to fire staffers who even suggest fact checking. The only criteria any story needs to meet for these pseudo news outlets are... 1. It contributes to their pre-chosen narrative? 2. It riles up the morons in their audience? I wouldn't trust the WSJ, Reason or RCP as far as I could throw them personally.
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smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 23,608	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle I wouldn't trust the WSJ, Reason or RCP as far as I could throw them personally. Nor would I. I merely point out that even they have limits are to how far they would go without fact checking. They are what my father used to describe as "at the better end on the spectrum of right bastards"
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22nd May 2023, 01:25 PM	#14
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 23,608	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza WSJ Editorial is on par with Newsmax, OAN, Infowars. WSJ reporting is just money right wing. Media bias charts do not support that view.
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22nd May 2023, 02:29 PM	#15
mumblethrax Species traitor Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,576	Originally Posted by smartcooky Media bias charts do not support that view. Yeah, but that chart is nonsense. They've got The Epoch Times, a Falun Gong publication that exists primarily to spread far right conspiracy theories, as "center right".

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lobosrul5 Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 4,739	Originally Posted by mumblethrax Yeah, but that chart is nonsense. They've got The Epoch Times, a Falun Gong publication that exists primarily to spread far right conspiracy theories, as "center right". They have WSJ - News as center, with WSJ - Opinion as center right.
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22nd May 2023, 03:02 PM	#17
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gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,764	Originally Posted by Crossbow It is sad to say, but the fact of the matter is that a large number of Republicans have so much hatred that they will literally create all sorts of whacky facts in order to justify their rage. "Sure maybe a few stories are fake, but the left-wing MSM lies constantly, why isn't everyone angry about that instead?"
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Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,982	Originally Posted by smartcooky Media bias charts do not support that view. https://www.dropbox.com/s/i4ndsacu8y...WSJO.jpg?raw=1 REALLY have to laugh when they say The New Yorker is "left". All the billionaires living in mansions on upper Fifth Avenue will be rattling their jewellery with laughter while their chauffeurs drive them to the Lincoln Center.
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22nd May 2023, 05:56 PM	#20
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 23,608	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander REALLY have to laugh when they say The New Yorker is "left". But is not "them" actually saying that, is it? Its an aggregate of assessments from a multi-partisan group. Originally Posted by Norman Alexander All the billionaires living in mansions on upper Fifth Avenue will be rattling their jewellery with laughter while their chauffeurs drive them to the Lincoln Center. Really? You are basing news people's political persuasions on their wealth? Go check out the net worth of, say, Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes, Ari Melber, Anderson Cooper, etc, then come back and tell me they are not left wing.
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22nd May 2023, 06:12 PM	#21
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,982	Originally Posted by smartcooky But is not "them" actually saying that, is it? Its an aggregate of assessments from a multi-partisan group. Really? You are basing news people's political persuasions on their wealth? Have you ever read The New Yorker? They are assessing it "left" only because it doesn't have stupid headlines like "B-29 Bomber Found On Moon", and it talks about theater and the arts sometimes, and it doesn't have a set of norks-out on page 3. Apart from that, it's mainly for the Bloomingdales set. You know. Donny's end of town. Quote: Go check out the net worth of, say, Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes, Ari Melber, Anderson Cooper, etc, then come back and tell me they are not left wing. Dude, that's the MAGA scale of leftness. Anything that's anywhere to the left of jackbooted sieg-heiling stormtroopers in MAGA or Proud Boy outfits is tantamount to "red-flag-waving October-9th-uprising Leninist-norms communism". And that includes center-right Republicans. And anyway, what has any of that got to do with The New Yorker magazine?
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23rd May 2023, 09:23 AM	#22
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,697	Originally Posted by smartcooky Media bias charts do not support that view. Media Bias is a US media organisation. You need to skip everything two steps to the right.
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23rd May 2023, 09:49 AM	#23
Beerina Sarcastic Conqueror of Notions Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 32,077	Well, regardless of how successful the attempt, I've been saying bias is the choice of stories to harp on, day after day, year after year, not the accuracy of same, which is a separate issue.
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23rd May 2023, 12:11 PM	#24
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,628	Originally Posted by smartcooky But is not "them" actually saying that, is it? Its an aggregate of assessments from a multi-partisan group. And that "multi-partisan group" seems to have a conservative frame of mind. Quote: Really? You are basing news people's political persuasions on their wealth? It is usually a pretty good indicator. Also, the content of the New Yorker. Quote: Go check out the net worth of, say, Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes, Ari Melber, Anderson Cooper, etc, then come back and tell me they are not left wing. They are, in fact, not left-wing. Not that I believe in a one-dimensional line for that sort of thing.
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23rd May 2023, 12:16 PM	#25
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,628	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 They have WSJ - News as center, with WSJ - Opinion as center right. They have the New York Times Opinion section, the platform for the likes of Bret Stephens, David Brooks, and Ross Douthat, as far left.
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23rd May 2023, 12:18 PM	#26
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,628	Honestly, this story isn't that big a deal once you remember that most of the concern over "DA TROOOPS" and homeless vets is just right-wing virtue signaling.
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25th May 2023, 09:15 AM	#27
sarge Penultimate Amazing Moderator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 10,610	Originally Posted by Donal Honestly, this story isn't that big a deal once you remember that most of the concern over "DA TROOOPS" and homeless vets is just right-wing virtue signaling. A Vet being homeless is either an active choice or a symptom of some underlying mental impairment. A homeless ‘troop’ is a statistical myth. US Veterans already have more resources devoted to their well-being than just about any other segment of American society. I am only 80%, but my health care and prescriptions are essentially free (well, they would be if I could be assed to go to the VA for them) and I receive a largish tax-free stipend as well. I could pay rent, utilities, and food with it alone. If I were rated at 100%, I could have no other income and live a middle-class lifestyle. Republitards celebrate this, but lose their minds at the suggestion that most Americans should enjoy a similar sense of security.
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25th May 2023, 01:58 PM	#28
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 30,065	Originally Posted by mumblethrax Yeah, but that chart is nonsense. They've got The Epoch Times, a Falun Gong publication that exists primarily to spread far right conspiracy theories, as "center right". And the Washington Times, for Moonies.
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26th May 2023, 02:13 AM	#29
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 23,608	Originally Posted by mumblethrax Yeah, but that chart is nonsense. They've got The Epoch Times, a Falun Gong publication that exists primarily to spread far right conspiracy theories, as "center right". Originally Posted by lobosrul5 They have WSJ - News as center, with WSJ - Opinion as center right. Originally Posted by Donal And that "multi-partisan group" seems to have a conservative frame of mind. It is usually a pretty good indicator. Also, the content of the New Yorker. They are, in fact, not left-wing. Not that I believe in a one-dimensional line for that sort of thing. Originally Posted by Donal They have the New York Times Opinion section, the platform for the likes of Bret Stephens, David Brooks, and Ross Douthat, as far left. Originally Posted by jimbob And the Washington Times, for Moonies. Y'all maybe missed reading what it says on the chart, immediately below where it says "All Sides Media Bias Chart"
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26th May 2023, 02:37 AM	#30
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 30,065	Originally Posted by smartcooky Y'all maybe missed reading what it says on the chart, immediately below where it says "All Sides Media Bias Chart" That wasn't my issue with the chart. I would say that Tlthe Epoch Times and (to a lesser extent) the Washington Times are significantly to the right of the Daily Mail rather than the left. It's the relative positioning that I am taking issue with. Not just the catagories. And how the catagories have shifted over a fairly short time. https://www.allsides.com/blog/AllSid...Over-Time-2022 Which suggests volatility in their assessment approach.
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26th May 2023, 04:24 AM	#31
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 23,608	Originally Posted by jimbob That wasn't my issue with the chart. I would say that the Epoch Times and (to a lesser extent) the Washington Times are significantly to the right of the Daily Mail rather than the left. It's the relative positioning that I am taking issue with. Not just the catagories. And how the catagories have shifted over a fairly short time. https://www.allsides.com/blog/AllSid...Over-Time-2022 Which suggests volatility in their assessment approach. You didn't actually read what it said did you? You are talking about the Daily Mail Newspaper and the Washington Times Newspaper. The political slant of their print content often differs markedly from their online content.
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26th May 2023, 10:04 AM	#32
mumblethrax Species traitor Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,576	Originally Posted by smartcooky You are talking about the Daily Mail Newspaper and the Washington Times Newspaper. The political slant of their print content often differs markedly from their online content. Well, no. Both of those print editions have extremely limited circulation in the US--almost nobody will be aware of how, or even whether, they differ from the online edition. I've never even seen the print edition of either. And that's far from the only absurdity on the chart. I don't get why you're so invested in defending this goofy clickbait.

27th May 2023, 03:06 AM	#33
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,697	Originally Posted by smartcooky You didn't actually read what it said did you? You are talking about the Daily Mail Newspaper and the Washington Times Newspaper. The political slant of their print content often differs markedly from their online content. The only difference between the Heil's print and online editions is that the online edition tends to drool over "how sexy" fourteen year old girls are more often the print edition.
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