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Old 22nd November 2018, 07:59 PM   #441
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Thumbs down An irrelevant and stupid question to derail from his electric comet insanity

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if 67P mass is 9.982^12kg and 75% porosity, how many kg of ice does 67p have?
An irrelevant and stupid question to derail from his electric comet insanity.

The porosity does not determine the mass of dust or ice. The high porosity is part of what shows that an electric comet made of actual rock is insane. The high porosity is part of what makes Sol88's obsession with "consolidated material", bedrock", "rock", etc. terms stupid.

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Old 22nd November 2018, 08:00 PM   #442
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
So clearly you have not understood a word of what I told you.
Toodles!
So that's it no circuit because old mate didn't describe the whole cucuit?

That's your wee wee poor excuse?

You sound very much like jd116 and rc.

dug this little chestnut out the otherday after jd116 banging on about being banned over cosmoquest.

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I told that the terms that Jesper Lindkvist wrote down soundet circuit theory-ish, with the emphasis on "ish". Because he does not have a circuit, he has a hybrid numerical model, where he can calculate the properties of the interactino around a comet. These properties include particle densities, electric currents, magnetic and electric fields, etc.
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An irrelevant question to derail from his electric comet insanity.
So you also refuse to look thru the telescope?
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Old 22nd November 2018, 08:07 PM   #444
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Comets only have a MINOR mass fraction from ice, ergo most of the mass is in refractory material.

Are you having trouble reality check?

Would you like me post it again?
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Old 22nd November 2018, 08:09 PM   #445
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Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
A lying MUPUS question to derail from his electric comet insanity.

He has been told many times that MUPUS hit material consistent with sintered ice.
or really hard consolidated refractory material, rock like stuff.

You know like wiki states as well.

Region: Neith Terrain:Rock-like
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Thumbs down Usual idiocy of a ices and dust comet paper to derail from electric comet insanity

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Usual idiocy of a ices and dust comet paper to derail from his electric comet insanity
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Thumbs down A stupid "terrain" question to detail from his electric comet insanity

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A stupid "terrain" question to detail from his electric comet insanity when he links to the article listing the terrain types.

67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko: Surface includes "Dust covered", "Large-scale depression", "Smooth", "Large-scale depression" and "Rock-like" with "Rock-like, rather friable".

Is this his electric comet insanity that images of comets that look like rock or describe as rock or "rock-like" are actual rock?

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Thumbs down Gibberish, emphasizes his "electric fields" lie, ignores his electric comet insanity

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Ahh poor jonesy, I do feel for you champ! ...
Gibberish, emphasizes his "electric fields" lie, usual lies and ignores his electric comet insanity

A cometary electric field lie to derail from his electric comet insanity.
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From Electric comets still do not exist!, 28th August 2009: tusenfem pointed out that "Electric Fields and Cold Electrons in the Vicinity of Comet Halley" by Harri Laakso (1991) gave the measured potential drop between electrical layers around Comet Halley.
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Old 22nd November 2018, 08:31 PM   #449
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Thumbs down A deluded lie that we have detected the electric fields from electric comet insanity

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These electric fields are powerfull enough to give us THE ELECTRIC COMET!
A deluded lie that we have detected the powerful electric fields from his electric comet insanity.

His electric comet insanity has no idea how powerful the electric field have to be.

His electric comet insanity has a solar electric field. "Electric Fields and Cold Electrons in the Vicinity of Comet Halley" by Harri Laakso (1991) is about the electric field inside the comet coma. That is a cloud of plasma that should shield its insides from external electric fields.

The paper was cited in a Voltage potentials are many orders of magnitude too small (compared to lightning) post !

Sol88's electric comet insanity:
Sol88's comet delusions include comets are rocks; these rocks were blasted from the Earth including recently; blasting was by electrical discharges between Earth and Venus; an imaginary solar electric field charges up comets; the charge causes never detected electrical discharges; comet jets are electrical discharges; images show that comets are rocks; Birkeland currents in comets and their tails with no appropriate magnetic field; papers using bedrock to describe layers of ices support his comet are rock delusion, imaginary double layers do magic; many years of lying that ices have not been detected on comets, a "hard shell of refractory +material on the outside" lie, insanity of consolidated ices and dust in papers being rock, an insane spate of lies about ices and dust papers.
Totally inane delusions about charge separation doing magic. Stupidly thinks that a ambipolar electric field is a double layer.
Insanity of dust removal from the surface changing measured comet density
Electrical discharge machining insanity.
A repeated insane insult of Michael A’Hearn.
A delusion that the estimates of outgassing form ices are wrong.
"water from hydrated minerals" idiocy.
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Old 22nd November 2018, 10:09 PM   #450
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A stupid "terrain" question to detail from his electric comet insanity when he links to the article listing the terrain types.

67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko: Surface includes "Dust covered", "Large-scale depression", "Smooth", "Large-scale depression" and "Rock-like" with "Rock-like, rather friable".

Is this his electric comet insanity that images of comets that look like rock or describe as rock or "rock-like" are actual rock?
So rock-like = mostly rock!

Or are you calling A'Hearn a bovine excrement artist Reality Check?

Reality Checks assertion that
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Michael A’Hearn did not say that comets contain less ice than previously thought. He said that he thinks we are evolving toward comets having less ice.
seems a bit off somehow, so...

let me just check one more time what he actual said not some fictitious story that he cant tell the difference between rock and ice/duct mix!

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envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited
yup thought so, MOSTLY ROCK!
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Unexpected and significant findings in comet
67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko: an interdisciplinary view


Just to double check A'Hearn just not a tripper

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3 A HIGH DUST-TO-WATER RATIO
4 ACTIVE AREAS HARD TO FIND
5 NO DISTRIBUTED WATER SOURCES
7 THERMO-PHYSICAL MODELS FAIL
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At perihelion and just after, the dust-to-water mass ratio ranges from 6 to 100 (Fulle et al. 2016).
Yup, looks like A'Hearn was onto it!

Ouch!
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And no rock, as required by the idiotic electric comet woo, which says they were blasted off of planets by giant lightning strikes (lol).
Where's 67P ice?

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This water content is much lower than the dust-to-water mass ratio of six in the nucleus. Comet 67P ejects very dry dust, where with dry, we define dust containing less water than 15 per cent of its mass (dust is wet in the opposite case).
From the above paper.

ouch!
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I could keep going but I think most lurkers here get the idea.

Comet 67P appears to be dry and rocky!


Whoda thunkit!

Your past prejudices are clouding your vision!
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Comets only have a MINOR mass fraction from ice, ergo most of the mass is in refractory material.

Are you having trouble reality check?

Would you like me post it again?
SO WHAT?????? What the hell has that got to do with the electric comet idiocy? You need rock and discharges. There were neither. Stop obfuscating and tell us why this idiocy didn't come to pass.
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I could keep going but I think most lurkers here get the idea.

Comet 67P appears to be dry and rocky!


Whoda thunkit!

Your past prejudices are clouding your vision!
No, you are wrong, and you are the one with faith-based prejudices. EDM? Lol. Rock? Lol. Discharges? Lol. Strike out. None of it happened, or has that escaped your limited attention span? It failed. Epically. You lost. Get over it. Need another reminder of what the con artists T & T actually wrote? Again?
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Old 23rd November 2018, 02:55 AM   #456
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Where's 67P ice?
How many papers would you like a link to? AGAIN???????? Go away, you are getting extremely tiresome, as well as displaying signs of terminal Alzheimer's. Need a memory jog? Need me to link back to posts where the ice is seen? As well as being blasted out of Tempel 1?
STOP LYING. You are fooling nobody.
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Unexpected and significant findings in comet
67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko: an interdisciplinary view


Just to double check A'Hearn just not a tripper





Yup, looks like A'Hearn was onto it!

Ouch!
And no rock and no discharges. You lose. Goodbye. Take your idiotic crap to thunderdolts. I doubt even the idiots on there are convinced by this electric comet garbage these days. It was a con, meant for the thickest of their acolytes, and guess who fell hardest for it?
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So rock-like = mostly rock!

Or are you calling A'Hearn a bovine excrement artist Reality Check?
LIAR.
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So you also refuse to look thru the telescope?
And what has this misspelled idiocy got to do with anything?
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What did MUPUS hit?

sintered refractory dust or imaginary sintered ice? Did they test ROCK or because we already KNOW they are mostly ICE with a lesser amount of dust!

and would'nt you know it sintered ice is as hard as ROCK! must be since MUPUS no progress in hammering the penetrator into said mix of ice and fluffy dust!
STOP LYING.

I have linked numerous times to the papers where they estimate the strength from the sound waves. Is it beyond your understanding? Is that why you need to keep LYING?

Knock it off, you have a serious problem. You lost. Get over it.
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Seems the MUPUS team have shot their load early!

because it is disagreement with the latest paper!

Comets are not mostly ice but mostly rock, according to M.A'Hearn
STOP LYING. What the hell is wrong with you? Want me to email any of the Rosetta team about non-existent rock? Go away, you are bloody clueless.
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Now of you go and work that conundrum out!

the dust to ice ratio is?

if 67P mass is 9.982^12kg and 75% porosity, how many kg of ice does 67p have?
Who cares? Your idiot high priest said there was none. He was wrong. Show us the discharges, show us the rock, and quit with the obfuscation. Your idiocy failed epically.
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What type of terrain does Serqet, Khepry, Apis, Anhur, Wosret, Geb, Khonsu, Aker, Hathor, Maftet, Bastet, Anuket, Atum, Bes and Sobek contain?
Dust and ice. No rock. Next.
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Now ask the super duper space plasma physicist how big the potential drop is.


Go on


These electric fields are powerfull enough to give us THE ELECTRIC COMET!
So why didn't it happen, you loon? Where is your rock, and where are your discharges? How many bloody times do we need to ask? Show us the evidence. Stop LYING. You have a serious problem.
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Are you saying A'Hearn is wrong, jd116?

Your problem jd116 is to work out where all this "ICE" is coming from.

because if you not 100% up to speed on the latest
The ice is primordial. It is where we see it to be. As proven. On and below the surface. As shown in multiple papers which have been linked to, and you have failed to respond to, because of some mental illness that prevents you from recognising that your religion is dead. It was never alive. You got conned. Simples. Bye bye. Go have a cry.
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2. People who are looking to use BAUT as a marketing platform for their alternative theories. Tell us your idea, that's fine. But we're not going to allow the forum to turn into a marketing vehicle for them. 30 days should be plenty of time to present your concept, deal with objections, answer anything else.
If only we had a similar rule here to prevent ISF being nothing more than a marketing tool for EU loons.

https://forum.cosmoquest.org/showthr...stream-section
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Your problem jd116 is to work out where all this "ICE" is coming from.
Seasonal exposure of carbon dioxide ice on the nucleus of 67P
Filacchione,G. et al
http://science.sciencemag.org/conten...cience.aag3161

Detection of exposed H2O ice on the nucleus of 67P
Barucci, M. A. et al
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.00551.pdf

BRIGHT ICE SPOTS ON THE NUCLEUS OF COMET 67PCHURYUMOVGERASIMENKO AS OBSERVED BY ROSETTA OSIRIS AND VIRTIS INSTRUMENTS
Barucci, M. A. et al
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2016cosp...41E.152B

Porosity and water ice content of the sub-surface material in the Imhotep
von Allman, P.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2016EGUGA..1818371V

Infrared detection of exposed Carbon Dioxide ice on 67P CG nucleus
Filacchione,G. et al
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2016EGUGA..1811930F

Relationship between inner coma water emissions and ice deposits in Comet 67P
Migliorini, A. et al
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2016EGUGA..18.7911M

Exposed water ice on the nucleus of comet 67P
Filacchione,G. et al
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature16190

The diurnal cycle of water ice on comet 67P
De Sanctis, M. C. et al
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ov-Gerasimenko

Not to mention (which Thornhill didn't!) the ejection of ice grains at Tempel 1 and Hartley 2.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=3175

Now, bore off, and take your idiotic woo to thunderdolts, because you are out of your depth here.
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So that's it no circuit because old mate didn't describe the whole cucuit?

That's your wee wee poor excuse?
Fail!

It is clear that you are under the impression that "circuit theory" (as advanced e.g. by Alfvén) means that you just (as an example) take Jesper Lindkvist's simulation, take the plot he made, and just draw in the "circuit". This, of course, make no sense, because in a circuit the currents can only flow along the circuit lines that you have drawn, and in a real plasma currents can flow in any direction, along the magnetic field or perpendicular to the magnetic field.
Circuit theory has its merits, that is not in question, but in order to be able to create a circuit description of a plasma physical process, you will have to know the how and what of plasma physics, in order not to mess up your circuit.
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Old 23rd November 2018, 04:29 AM   #469
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Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
An irrelevant and stupid question to derail from his electric comet insanity.

The porosity does not determine the mass of dust or ice. The high porosity is part of what shows that an electric comet made of actual rock is insane. The high porosity is part of what makes Sol88's obsession with "consolidated material", bedrock", "rock", etc. terms stupid.

Then what prey tell does determine the mass of the comet?

Remember now ice is a MINOR mass component.

So that leaves dust and porosity.

Good luck.
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Old 23rd November 2018, 04:31 AM   #470
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
Fail!

It is clear that you are under the impression that "circuit theory" (as advanced e.g. by Alfvén) means that you just (as an example) take Jesper Lindkvist's simulation, take the plot he made, and just draw in the "circuit". This, of course, make no sense, because in a circuit the currents can only flow along the circuit lines that you have drawn, and in a real plasma currents can flow in any direction, along the magnetic field or perpendicular to the magnetic field.
Circuit theory has its merits, that is not in question, but in order to be able to create a circuit description of a plasma physical process, you will have to know the how and what of plasma physics, in order not to mess up your circuit.
As shown by Don Scott in his paper on Birkeland currents.

Is a current force free when perpendicular to the magnetic field?
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Old 23rd November 2018, 04:52 AM   #471
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Seasonal exposure of carbon dioxide ice on the nucleus of 67P
Filacchione,G. et al
http://science.sciencemag.org/conten...cience.aag3161

Detection of exposed H2O ice on the nucleus of 67P
Barucci, M. A. et al
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1609.00551.pdf

BRIGHT ICE SPOTS ON THE NUCLEUS OF COMET 67PCHURYUMOVGERASIMENKO AS OBSERVED BY ROSETTA OSIRIS AND VIRTIS INSTRUMENTS
Barucci, M. A. et al
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2016cosp...41E.152B

Porosity and water ice content of the sub-surface material in the Imhotep
von Allman, P.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2016EGUGA..1818371V

Infrared detection of exposed Carbon Dioxide ice on 67P CG nucleus
Filacchione,G. et al
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2016EGUGA..1811930F

Relationship between inner coma water emissions and ice deposits in Comet 67P
Migliorini, A. et al
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2016EGUGA..18.7911M

Exposed water ice on the nucleus of comet 67P
Filacchione,G. et al
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature16190

The diurnal cycle of water ice on comet 67P
De Sanctis, M. C. et al
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ov-Gerasimenko

Not to mention (which Thornhill didn't!) the ejection of ice grains at Tempel 1 and Hartley 2.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...postcount=3175

Now, bore off, and take your idiotic woo to thunderdolts, because you are out of your depth here.
Irrelevant. New papers trump old assumptions.

With a dust to ice ratio of 6-100/1 and ice making up only a minor fraction mass wise...

Believe there to be slightly biased decisions when “we” already knew comets where MOSLTY ice.

Latest paper cast serious doubt on this assumption from the 50’s

But I’m happy your happy champ.
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Old 23rd November 2018, 04:55 AM   #472
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
Fail!

It is clear that you are under the impression that "circuit theory" (as advanced e.g. by Alfvén) means that you just (as an example) take Jesper Lindkvist's simulation, take the plot he made, and just draw in the "circuit". This, of course, make no sense, because in a circuit the currents can only flow along the circuit lines that you have drawn, and in a real plasma currents can flow in any direction, along the magnetic field or perpendicular to the magnetic field.
Circuit theory has its merits, that is not in question, but in order to be able to create a circuit description of a plasma physical process, you will have to know the how and what of plasma physics, in order not to mess up your circuit.
What would you like to know?

How far down the tail do you expect these currents to flow?
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Old 23rd November 2018, 05:18 AM   #473
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Irrelevant. New papers trump old assumptions.
Are you blind? Those are observations, not assumptions. The ice excavated from Tempel 1 is not going to disappear. It happened. It was real. STOP LYING.

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Believe there to be slightly biased decisions when “we” already knew comets where MOSLTY ice.
And another LIE.

Instruments don't lie, only you do that. And Thornhill.
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Old 23rd November 2018, 05:28 AM   #474
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So, let's have a recap;

Evidence for the electric comet = zero. Correct? No rock, no discharges, no radial electric field.
Busted flush. How about dealing with this, instead of posting crap about irrelevant things that are nothing to do with this deluded idiocy.
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Old 23rd November 2018, 05:42 AM   #475
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Latest paper cast serious doubt on this assumption from the 50’s
Science evolves, it is not a religion, unlike the baseless, unscientific, evidence-free crap that you believe. Cometary science has been evolving since we first visited comets in the 80's, long before your stupid Velikovskian cult was invented. And all your cult's high priests have done since its invention is lie. In doing so, they have convinced a number of scientifically illiterate clowns that they are right. And, let's face it; scientifically illiterate clowns are the only people who could possibly be convinced by such utter garbage. It is nothing more than a quasi-religion, with no science nor evidence to back it up.
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Old 23rd November 2018, 08:22 AM   #476
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What would you like to know?

How far down the tail do you expect these currents to flow?
That would not be the "how and what of plasma physics".
You will have to know where the currents flow and in what direction, and through what kind of regions, and how to translate those currents and regions into circuit components like: resistor, capacitor, inductance ... it is a serial circuit or are there multiple parallel circuits ... and so on and so on.
But I am sure you cannot grasp that, because you do not understand what "circuit theory" in plasma physics means.
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At perihelion and just after, the dust-to-water mass ratio ranges from 6 to 100 (Fulle et al. 2016).
More LYING. This time by omission.
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We have no observational constraint to exclude the possibility that the real dust loss rate of 67P at perihelion is strongly dominated by boulders of mass >1 kg, with a total dust mass loss rate close to 2 × 104 kg s−1, and a dust-to-water mass ratio close to 100.
Since this dust-to-water ratio is clearly conflicting with other dust-to-water estimates, e.g., the value of six measured for 67P at 3.6 au inbound (Rotundi et al. 2015), we discuss two possible alternative explanations for the OSIRIS observations of boulders.
They then go on to assess the water content of the boulders from observation, and conclude that the value of 6:1 is valid.
So, that is something else you need to quit lying about.

EVOLUTION OF THE DUST SIZE DISTRIBUTION OF COMET 67P/CHURYUMOV–GERASIMENKO FROM 2.2 au TO PERIHELION
Fulle, M et al.
https://boris.unibe.ch/96910/1/Fulle...ApJ_821_19.pdf
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
That would not be the "how and what of plasma physics".
You will have to know where the currents flow and in what direction, and through what kind of regions, and how to translate those currents and regions into circuit components like: resistor, capacitor, inductance ... it is a serial circuit or are there multiple parallel circuits ... and so on and so on.
But I am sure you cannot grasp that, because you do not understand what "circuit theory" in plasma physics means.
You forgot double layers!
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You forgot double layers!
Which are not detected from 0 m - 1500 km. Not much point, really.
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You forgot double layers!
Right! if that is the only thing you can take home from my post, so be it.
This should be moved to the AAH section, as clearly you do not want to learn anything from me.
Every time you come with a post "explain it to the "lurkers"" and when I explain it to you the only thing you can do is complain and misinterprete.
You clearly are not interested in plasma physics, neither in the MHD, kinetic or circuit form, and do not want to learn what is applied when and what the results tell you.
And that is all good and fine, but you have wasted my time long enough.

Administrators, please move this thread to "Abandon All Hope".
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