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Old 24th November 2018, 03:39 AM   #481
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
Administrators, please move this thread to "Abandon All Hope".
Seconded. Well past its sell by date.
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Old 24th November 2018, 12:25 PM   #482
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As shown by Don Scott in his paper on Birkeland currents.

Is a current force free when perpendicular to the magnetic field?
Sol88, we've covered this so called paper by Scott before; it's garbage.

Why is it that you seem completely unable to discuss science here, or even post something new?
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Old 24th November 2018, 02:38 PM   #483
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
Right! if that is the only thing you can take home from my post, so be it.
This should be moved to the AAH section, as clearly you do not want to learn anything from me.
Every time you come with a post "explain it to the "lurkers"" and when I explain it to you the only thing you can do is complain and misinterprete.
You clearly are not interested in plasma physics, neither in the MHD, kinetic or circuit form, and do not want to learn what is applied when and what the results tell you.
And that is all good and fine, but you have wasted my time long enough.

Administrators, please move this thread to "Abandon All Hope".
Did not ask you this and you’ve been conspicuous by your absence.

Simple question do you agree or disagree that A’Hearn statement that comet nuclei, with 67P in particular, are now MOSTLY ROCK and not MOSTLY ICE?
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Originally Posted by JeanTate View Post
Sol88, we've covered this so called paper by Scott before; it's garbage.

Why is it that you seem completely unable to discuss science here, or even post something new?

Birkeland currents are not real?

They are in operation at comets.
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Old 24th November 2018, 02:44 PM   #485
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Seconded. Well past its sell by date.
Thirded. Can it.
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Old 24th November 2018, 03:27 PM   #486
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Did not ask you this and you’ve been conspicuous by your absence.

Simple question do you agree or disagree that A’Hearn statement that comet nuclei, with 67P in particular, are now MOSTLY ROCK and not MOSTLY ICE?
Where do you live Sol? Strawman City, W.A.? We didn't visit a comet until '86. Since then, the idea that comets have a shed load of dust (which Whipple also proposed, but how could he know how much?), has evolved with every mission.
And there is not, nor ever has been, any rock detected at a comet.
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Old 24th November 2018, 03:31 PM   #487
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Birkeland currents are not real?

They are in operation at comets.
No, they are not. You just made that up. Why not deal with the electric comet woo? Where is the rock, where are the discharges? How is the solar wind creating water (hahahaha) when it is getting nowhere near the nucleus for long periods? Why did the idiot Thornhill lie about it being OH 20 years after it was definitively shown to be H2O?
Care to deal with this, or are you just going to post more irrelevant crap that has nothing to do with your failed 'model' (lol)?
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Old 24th November 2018, 03:49 PM   #488
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Where do you live Sol? Strawman City, W.A.? We didn't visit a comet until '86. Since then, the idea that comets have a shed load of dust (which Whipple also proposed, but how could he know how much?), has evolved with every mission.
And there is not, nor ever has been, any rock detected at a comet.

I see you can’t handle the truth, jd116.

Comets are mostly rock with a minor mass fraction from ice.

That’s what peer reviewed mainstream science says, now.

Can’t really see why it’s so hard for you to swallow.

This is the first tenet of the Electric Comet.

This test has now been confirmed by mainstream big bangers.

Now we are talking electric fields and curcuit theory, Birkeland currents...
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
No, they are not. You just made that up. Why not deal with the electric comet woo? Where is the rock, where are the discharges? How is the solar wind creating water (hahahaha) when it is getting nowhere near the nucleus for long periods? Why did the idiot Thornhill lie about it being OH 20 years after it was definitively shown to be H2O?
Care to deal with this, or are you just going to post more irrelevant crap that has nothing to do with your failed 'model' (lol)?
Yes they are, you call the field aligned ELECTRIC CURRENTS.

Confirmed.

Or would like to have a “discussion” on if they are real or not and if they are in operation at a comet?
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Where’s all the exposed water ice?

Not a couple m2 or some nightly frost but the MOSTLY ICE nucleus?

This is dark ice inferred from Whipple’s postulate back in the 50’s.

Now things have changed after every comet we see is not the ditysnowball we’ve been told.

There are other procees, that involve plasma, electric fields...

There are more tools in box to use, so why not use them?

Too scary or a physical impossibility for the mainstream?
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Maybe, jd116, you’d care to discuss the diamagnetic cavity again and your misunderstanding that cometary outgassing is the cause.

Now it seems charge separation does the trick.
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
STOP LYING.

I have linked numerous times to the papers where they estimate the strength from the sound waves. Is it beyond your understanding? Is that why you need to keep LYING?

Knock it off, you have a serious problem. You lost. Get over it.

Oh deary me.

They never tested rock, why not?


Because Whipple KNEW they were MOSTLY ICE with some dust, the “Dirtysnowball”.

A’Hearn disagrees comets are MOSTLY ROCK.

THE MAINSTREAM NEED TO GET THEIR STUFF TOGETHER and redo fine what a comets is.

They’ve had crack and the best they’ve come up with is comets and asteroids are a continuum!

I’m happy with that.

Suits my world view.
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Nope. No rock ever detected at a comet. Show the detection. Or....ST.....
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Nope, no Birkeland currents. No discharges (lol). You lost. Get over it.
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Yes they are, you call the field aligned ELECTRIC CURRENTS.

Confirmed.

Or would like to have a “discussion” on if they are real or not and if they are in operation at a comet?
Have you got eyesight problems? Here is the question again;

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Where is the rock, where are the discharges? How is the solar wind creating water (hahahaha) when it is getting nowhere near the nucleus for long periods? Why did the idiot Thornhill lie about it being OH 20 years after it was definitively shown to be H2O?
Care to deal with this, or are you just going to post more irrelevant crap that has nothing to do with your failed 'model' (lol)?
Ignored it, didn't you? Because Thornhill is a liar. Fair enough.
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They never tested rock, why not?
Serious question; what is your IQ, Sol? Lower than that of a badger? They measured the sound wave velocity from the hammering. It is nothing like rock. Stop lying.
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Which is the world view of a loon. No evidence. Goodbye.
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Birkeland currents are not real?

They are in operation at comets.
Again?

This thread is about the electric comet model, and you are the only proponent of that here. You have kept repeating pretty much the same few words, and apparently making no effort to back your assertions with things like quantitative analysis, or even reference to the model itself.

How does this differ from trolling?
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Correct me if I'm wrong Sol88, but you've introduced this/these before, in this thread, more than once in fact.

And in most instances, the core content of your posts is ~the same; you rarely introduce something new, either content or analysis.

Lately, those who respond to these posts of yours have become repetitious too (the first few times around you'd get something original almost every time).

So, how is what you're doing different from trolling?
Papers from November 2018 on circuit theory in relation to comets and that comets are predominantly refractory dust and organics not new enough for you?

That are just confirming, for me at least, my model is correct.


Comets are rocks discharging in the solar plasma!

Have not changed my stance since day one over at the universe today forum.
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And the latest SAFIRE update, enjoy.
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That are just confirming, for me at least, my model is correct.
You don't have a model, and you don't have any evidence.
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And the latest SAFIRE update, enjoy.
Pure woo, and off-topic.
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Comets are rocks discharging in the solar plasma!
Nope, no rock ever detected at comets, and no discharges. You lose, which is why mobody with an IQ north of that of a badger agrees with you.

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Have not changed my stance since day one over at the universe today forum.
Of course not - your belief is your religion. Evidence doesn't come into it.
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Jonesdave116

Yup sounds about spot on!
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Pure woo, and off-topic.

How so champ?

Just Hand waving nicker knotting dummy spits don’t count as a counter argument to emperical science!

Just because their trumping so many disciplines doesn’t make i to not true


Suck it up buttercup

What’s your take on the new paper a comets and curcuit theory?

Any bearing on comets being electrical, rock or porous dust or not?
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None whatsoever. No rock, no discharges.
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Yup sounds about spot on!
Oh the irony! I'm a troll? Want me to link to the science that 100% shows your ec idiocy to be wrong? Again? You are the only troll here, as JT has pointed out. No science, no evidence. Just a spamfest for impossible neo-Velikovskian woo.
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Are you saying mainstream peer reviewed papers are bogus?

These are the latest (November 2018) peer reviewed papers.

Your papers, linked to above are a few years old now. Science as advanced since then. Comets have a minor mass fraction of actual “ices” and a shed load of REFRACTORY DUST. Fancy that..

Some of those papers M.A’Hearn had a hand in.

He stated comets are MOSTLY ROCK, why jd116, would he state that when he was the PI for deep impact and epoxi?
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Did not ask you this and you’ve been conspicuous by your absence.
maybe i was travelling and preparing for more important presentations than this train wreck.

oh but you did ask and make senseless claims, i have to correct that for the "lurkers"

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Simple question do you agree or disagree that A’Hearn statement that comet nuclei, with 67P in particular, are now MOSTLY ROCK and not MOSTLY ICE?
who cares if it is rock? this is the tread of the ELECTRIC COMET and i deal with plasmas interacting with the gas we see escaping from the nucleus.
you have absolutely nothing with which you can defend your EC so you just grab for anything that you thing is wrong or feel like should be different
you keep on hanging on to a 1950 model of the nucleus, and forbid mainstream to deviate from that and insist we keep on using whipple's model
although alfvén is the EU "god" you now dislike mhd, after you learned that there was also a "kinetic" model or loh-and-behold a particle model! that they all adhere to the same plasma equations seems to be beyond your grasp. then suddenly you saw "load" and "generator" in a paper and BANG! it has to be a circuit.
you are the kind that alfvén warned about in his speach, talking about people just taking a tool and using it without checking what the tool implies, rather ironic don't you think?
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Birkeland currents are not real?

They are in operation at comets.
prithee show us where they have been found
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Or did d you want the actual paper written by the top peer reviewed scientists say in the abstract

Comets are composed of rock.
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maybe i was travelling and preparing for more important presentations than this train wreck.

oh but you did ask and make senseless claims, i have to correct that for the "lurkers"



who cares if it is rock? this is the tread of the ELECTRIC COMET and i deal with plasmas interacting with the gas we see escaping from the nucleus.
you have absolutely nothing with which you can defend your EC so you just grab for anything that you thing is wrong or feel like should be different
you keep on hanging on to a 1950 model of the nucleus, and forbid mainstream to deviate from that and insist we keep on using whipple's model
although alfvén is the EU "god" you now dislike mhd, after you learned that there was also a "kinetic" model or loh-and-behold a particle model! that they all adhere to the same plasma equations seems to be beyond your grasp. then suddenly you saw "load" and "generator" in a paper and BANG! it has to be a circuit.
you are the kind that alfvén warned about in his speach, talking about people just taking a tool and using it without checking what the tool implies, rather ironic don't you think?
So irrelevant, comets could be made from green cheese and you’d be happy.

Thought you where a scientist?

These are peer reviewed papers not my rantings.
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He stated comets are MOSTLY ROCK, why jd116, would he state that when he was the PI for deep impact and epoxi?
There is no rock. Never been detected at a comet. If you think otherwise, link to the detection. You are just playing on the fact that A'Hearn died recently, so cannot be contacted so that he can tell you that you are talking out of your arse. Which is the type of underhanded crap we've come to expect from EUists. No rock, no discharges. No evidence. Pure woo. A religious belief only.
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Or did d you want the actual paper written by the top peer reviewed scientists say in the abstract

Comets are composed of rock.
No they aren't. STOP LYING..
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Tensile strength of 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko nucleus material from overhangs
Attree, N. et al (incl. A'Hearn, M. F. ) (2017)
https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pd...aa32155-17.pdf

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We directly measured twenty overhanging cliffs on the surface of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko extracted from the latest shape model and estimated the minimum tensile strengths needed to support them against collapse under the comet’s gravity. We find extremely low strengths of around 1 Pa or less (1 to 5 Pa, when scaled to a metre length).
Now go away, and research the tensile strength of rocks.
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prithee show us where they have been found
I thought you’d read H. Nilsson paper? Size of a plasma cloud matters The polarisation electric field of a small-scale comet ionosphere

What’s do you thinks going on super duper space plasma physicist?
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So, who does A'Hearn reference wrt his "evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited."?

EVOLUTION OF THE DUST SIZE DISTRIBUTION OF COMET 67P/CHURYUMOV–GERASIMENKO FROM 2.2 au TO PERIHELION
Fulle, M. et al. (2016)
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.../821/1/19/meta

And;

Dust measurements in the coma of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko inbound to the Sun
Rotundi, A. et al. (2015)
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/347/6220/aaa3905

I would suggest reading those papers, and seeing where they detected rock. Hint; they didn't.
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
Tensile strength of 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko nucleus material from overhangs
Attree, N. et al (incl. A'Hearn, M. F. ) (2017)
https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pd...aa32155-17.pdf



Now go away, and research the tensile strength of rocks.

No, that seems about spot on for a nucleus that is made from fluffy refractory dust with a minimal mass constitute of “ice”.

So, meh

I like this paper...Structure and elastic parameters of the near surface of Abydos site on comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko, as obtained by SESAME/CASSE listening to the MUPUS insertion phase
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No, that seems about spot on for a nucleus that is made from fluffy refractory dust with a minimal mass constitute of “ice”
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How the hell would you know? And there is no rock with that tensile strength.

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I like this paper...Structure and elastic parameters of the near surface of Abydos site on comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko, as obtained by SESAME/CASSE listening to the MUPUS insertion phase
So much so that you refuse to link to it, because you know we have dealt with it before, and it proves definitively that there wasn't any rock.
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So, who does A'Hearn reference wrt his "evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited."?

EVOLUTION OF THE DUST SIZE DISTRIBUTION OF COMET 67P/CHURYUMOV–GERASIMENKO FROM 2.2 au TO PERIHELION
Fulle, M. et al. (2016)
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.../821/1/19/meta

And;

Dust measurements in the coma of comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko inbound to the Sun
Rotundi, A. et al. (2015)
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/347/6220/aaa3905

I would suggest reading those papers, and seeing where they detected rock. Hint; they didn't.

Yup no doubt about.

Comets are refractory dust with a minimal mass component of ice.

Good read
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