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Old 26th November 2018, 01:06 AM   #561
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Mmmm something not right.
Nope, those are actual observations. CONSERT saw what it saw.
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Old 26th November 2018, 01:08 AM   #562
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Is that how the diamagnetic cavity works Reality Check?

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Is that how you and jd116 think it still works?
No, it is how all the scientists studying it think it works. You haven't got a clue.
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Old 26th November 2018, 01:11 AM   #563
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Nope they did empirical science!

and it's been VERY fruitful!
No they didn't. Scott is a clueless clown, who has fusion going on in the chromosphere! Lol. Think we might have noticed that. For the hard of thinking (i.e. Scott & Sol), that would bathe the planet in lethal gamma radiation! Only an idiot would propose such a thing, and only an idiot would believe it.
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Old 26th November 2018, 01:15 AM   #564
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
So, it may happen? There could be coupling to other, larger, current systems as well?

Could any of this electric curcuit containing empirically testable both on earth and in space plasma, have plasma structures we are not 100% sure of?

This is a pubic forum, we can do a dash of speculation.

Seems like just such a teaser.
Who cares? It has nothing to do with the total failure of the electric comet woo.
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Old 26th November 2018, 01:18 AM   #565
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What it actual said was the SAFIRE team, doing repeatable empirical roll ya sleeves up hands on science has been EXTREMELY fruitful for SAFIRE and VERY fruitful for the EU-ES-EC
Nope, they have been pissing about sticking a squillion volts through a metallic sphere. Who gives a damn? It has nothing to do with the Sun or any other sort of astrophysics, and will never be published in any sort of decent journal. They are wasting time and money.
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Old 26th November 2018, 01:26 AM   #566
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So, it may happen? There could be coupling to other, larger, current systems as well?
Why don't you come up with a description of whatever nonsense it is that you are proposing, and then it can be laughed at assessed?
What is the observed effect when comets, as they often must do, cross the heliospheric current sheet? Sod all, I would say. A change in the orientation of the magnetic field? Whooppee! Anything else?
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Old 26th November 2018, 02:16 PM   #567
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Thumbs down A lying " it may happen?" question to derail from his electric comet insanity

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So, it may happen?...
A lying " it may happen?" question to derail from his electric comet insanity.

tusenfem's post is clear. Circuit theory is not real electric currents or circuits. It is a model of plasma systems that needs knowledge about plasma physics that Sol88 and his cult are ignorant about. When Alfvén used circuit theory to model solar flares this was not real wires, resistors, inductors or double layers on the ~5700 K surface of the Sun !
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What it actual said was the SAFIRE team, doing repeatable empirical roll ya sleeves up hands on science has been EXTREMELY fruitful for SAFIRE and VERY fruitful for the EU-ES-EC
SAFIRE insanity in addition to his electric comet insanity.

The SAFIRE team have been EXTREMELY successful in exposing the electric Sun insanity to the world and making "EU-ES-EC" even more obviously deluded. We have a web site that includes the insanity that the Sun is externally powered. We have an deluded to the point of insanity "model" of the Sun.
Sol88 cannot understand the SAFIRE insanity.
  • Astronomy 101: Hydrostatic equilibrium means an externally powered Sun collapses to a white dwarf as the Sun will do when it runs out of fuel for fusion.
  • The insanity of denying the evidence that the Sun is powered by fusion.
    Hydrostatic equilibrium + nuclear physics tells us that fusion would be happening in the core of the Sun. We detect the neutrinos from that fusion.
  • A lying and deluded "Genesis" page.
    The mainstream model has been "proven" because it works!
    A lie that the electric sun has been "250 years in the making". The electric sun is a decades old delusion.
  • A lying list of "electric sun pioneers" (Benjamin Franklin, Michael Faraday, James Clerk Maxwell, Sir William Crookes, Kristian Birkeland, Nikola Tesla, Irving Langmuir and Hannes Alfvén).
    They list the documented liar and deluded Wal Thornhill and the deluded Don Scott.
  • The idiocy of up to 6 years of work only being presented at crank conferences and in PDFs on their site.
    I suspect that a team of actual experimental plasma physicists would have completed the project in a couple of years and published several papers along the way.
  • The utter stupidity of "I see bunnies in the clouds" logic.
    The fact is that some features of plasma in a magnetic field in a plasma experiment will look similar to features of plasma in a magnetic field on the Sun.

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Old 26th November 2018, 07:15 PM   #569
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
No, it is how all the scientists studying it think it works. You haven't got a clue.
Gas sublimating off the nucleus holds back the solar wind, as you have said many time jd116.

and that was the thinking at the time for the mainstream, now it's the ELECTRIC FIELD doing the "work" not "gas".

This is from the charge separation of the quasi-neutral solar wind plasma around a charged rocky object.

You know, the..

Electric Comet
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Gas sublimating off the nucleus holds back the solar wind, as you have said many time jd116.

and that was the thinking at the time for the mainstream, now it's the ELECTRIC FIELD doing the "work" not "gas".
Usual lies to derail from his electric comet insanity.

jonesdave116 has been agreeing with the mainstream science where gas sublimating off the nucleus holds back the solar wind. This is basic physics. That is what is observed. A cloud of gas called a comet coma shields the nucleus from a flow of gas called the solar wind.

That is not the cause of a diamagnetic cavity which is all of the interactions of the plasma of the solar wind with plasma of the coma, including "ion-neutral friction".
The formation of magnetic cavities in comets (1992)
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In this paper a unidimensional model for the formation of magnetic cavities in comets is presented. This model includes ion-neutral friction, dissociative recombination, photoionization, and thermal and energetic ion
pressure coupled with a nonconstant velocity profile which was chosen to simulate the flow pattern. The model explains the thermal ion population profile. Conditions under which a cavity may not form are discussed.
In the paper the roles of the various processes are studied, and it is shown that focusing on ion-neutral friction as the major process in the creation of the cavity is not in general correct. In the last part of the
paper, the limitations of the model are delineated.
ETA: Ice sublimating off the nucleus is not his electric comet insanity which includes the stupidity of EDM magically converting actual rock into gases.

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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
No they didn't. Scott is a clueless clown, who has fusion going on in the chromosphere! Lol. Think we might have noticed that. For the hard of thinking (i.e. Scott & Sol), that would bathe the planet in lethal gamma radiation! Only an idiot would propose such a thing, and only an idiot would believe it.
Did you happen to watch the video?


28:20 Is the money shot!
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Usual lies to derail from his electric comet insanity.

jonesdave116 has been agreeing with the mainstream science where gas sublimating off the nucleus holds back the solar wind. This is basic physics. That is what is observed. A cloud of gas called a comet coma shields the nucleus from a flow of gas called the solar wind.

That is not the cause of a diamagnetic cavity which is all of the interactions of the plasma of the solar wind with plasma of the coma, including "ion-neutral friction".
The formation of magnetic cavities in comets (1992)
The ELECTRIC FIELD much more efficient!

in case you did'nt catch jd116 link to the paper Surface localization of gas sources on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko based on DFMS/COPS data

The "outgassing" is not uniform over the surface as EXPECTED from an MOSTLY ICY nucleus.

This "outgassing" can not "hold back" the solar "wind". Good explanation for the kiddies dinosaurs though.
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Usual lies to derail from his electric comet insanity.

jonesdave116 has been agreeing with the mainstream science where gas sublimating off the nucleus holds back the solar wind. This is basic physics. That is what is observed. A cloud of gas called a comet coma shields the nucleus from a flow of gas called the solar wind.

That is not the cause of a diamagnetic cavity which is all of the interactions of the plasma of the solar wind with plasma of the coma, including "ion-neutral friction".
The formation of magnetic cavities in comets (1992)


ETA: Ice sublimating off the nucleus is not his electric comet insanity which includes the stupidity of EDM magically converting actual rock into gases.
All these years and still completely clueless clutching at straws!


The strong localized surface electric fields lectricaly stress the ROCK until it suffers coulomb explosions on a atomic level that dissociates SANDSTONE, LIMESTONE and PHYLLOSILICATES into DUST (refractory dust) and ionised H20, CO2 and CO, H-, O2 along with your ZOO of organics!

No majick involved except for the ignorant!


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Thanks.

So let me see if I understand correctly.

By “Electric Comet Model” you mean that “comets are rocks discharging in the solar plasma”.

And, to be quite clear, you do NOT mean the Thornhill & Talbott idea of comets being blasted off the Earth in historical times, displaying tails etc due to the Sun’s radial electric fields, jets due to EDM, etc.

If so, then you yourself have posted lots of material that is inconsistent with your own idea (I cannot, in good conscience, call it a “model”).

For example, estimates of the bulk density of at least some comets is consistent with them being “mostly space” (i.e. comets are very porous), and certainly not the ROCK of your idea.

Second, your attempts to provide any details about “discharging in the solar plasma” have shown that you have an exceedingly poor grasp of the relevant physics; in fact, what you have posted on this is, without a doubt, no more than cherry picking words that you think bolster your case.

If you are not just trolling, why is it that you never (as far as I can tell) even try to dig into the details? Why, for example, have you never (apparently) taken tusenfem’s advice and at least tried to understand some very basic plasma physics?
So what shall we do sweetie?

Not much I can do until it's excepted that electricity "does stuff" in space.

I'd put my money on LINDKVIST'S new paper.

have you read it?

on another note, do you agree or disagree with M.A'Hearn statement that cometary nuclei are MOSTLY ROCK?

If disagree, why?
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I don’t know whether to thank you or curse you, RC!

That CQ thread is ... really depressing, or hilariously funny, or ... but at least it confirms that Sol88 (a.k.a. Starboy)’s primary (or sole?) rationale for his “Electric Comet Theory” is false dichotomy (“mainstream is WRONG, THEREFORE the EC MUST be right!”)!
Thank you jt!

Question for you what is the mainstream cometary model? Do you know or just here for the occasional drive by trolling?


Because A'Hearn knew what the mainstream model was. One would assume you are quite happy, safe and satisfied this is correct except for a few minor details.

Like asking very basic questions like
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At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material
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Like how much ice it contains, for instance or how the jets work.

This thread is about the long debunked electric comet woo. How about telling us the EU take on how much ice there is, or what the jets are? And, in doing so, point to the evidence that proves it?
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The strong localized surface electric fields lectricaly stress the ROCK until it suffers coulomb explosions on a atomic level that dissociates SANDSTONE, LIMESTONE and PHYLLOSILICATES into DUST (refractory dust) and ionised H20, CO2 and CO, H-, O2 along with your ZOO of organics!

No majick involved except for the ignorant!
Hahahahahaha! Fairy story, with zero science to back it up, and not a jot of evidence. Stop making crap up.
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Gas sublimating off the nucleus holds back the solar wind, as you have said many time jd116.

and that was the thinking at the time for the mainstream, now it's the ELECTRIC FIELD doing the "work" not "gas".

This is from the charge separation of the quasi-neutral solar wind plasma around a charged rocky object.

You know, the..

Electric Comet
Nope. That is another lie. Just point to the literature where this is claimed as the cause of the DC.
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Did you happen to watch the video?


28:20 Is the money shot!
Nope, I'm not watching a video from a bunch of clueless clowns. I need only look at Scott's ignorant website to see that he is one of those clueless clowns.
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on another note, do you agree or disagree with M.A'Hearn statement that cometary nuclei are MOSTLY ROCK?

If disagree, why?
Nope, no rock ever detected at a comet. If you believe otherwise, then point to the detection in the scientific literature. Otherwise, QUIT LYING.
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Nope, no rock ever detected at a comet. If you believe otherwise, then point to the detection in the scientific literature. Otherwise, QUIT LYING.
Then why would M.A'Hearn say our understanding is evolving toward MOSTLY ROCK with some ice?

Why would he not say CONFIRMED comets are MOSTLY ICE and some dust?

and why would Marco Fulle say there is only a minor mass component from ice?

He's left you in a very difficult spot!
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Nope, I'm not watching a video from a bunch of clueless clowns. I need only look at Scott's ignorant website to see that he is one of those clueless clowns.
So you will not look?
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The ELECTRIC FIELD much more efficient!

in case you did'nt catch jd116 link to the paper Surface localization of gas sources on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko based on DFMS/COPS data

The "outgassing" is not uniform over the surface as EXPECTED from an MOSTLY ICY nucleus.

This "outgassing" can not "hold back" the solar "wind". Good explanation for the kiddies dinosaurs though.
And another LIE.. You can't help yourself, can you? I guess that when your idiotic beliefs have been totally debunked, LYING is all you've got left. Sad. And pathetic.



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Why the hell would I? This is a bunch of clowns modelling something that is scientifically impossible, and will never see the light of day in the scientific literature. Complete waste of time. Hint; we already know what powers the Sun.
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Then why would M.A'Hearn say our understanding is evolving toward MOSTLY ROCK with some ice?
I have no idea. He was obviously referring to dust. There is no rock at comets. Not a single detection ever. If there was, you could point to that detection. You can't, because it doesn't exist. Your continued failure to point to any detection proves that you are just playing around with words from a scientist who has since died, and is in no position to defend what he said, or meant. Which is cowardly, but typical.

And who gives a toss what the mass fraction of ice is? Your idiotic high priests said it wasn't there! So, you were wrong, weren't you? You said there would be rock. You were wrong, weren't you? You said there would be electric discharges (lol). You were wrong, weren't you?
So, what are you still doing here? Because you were wrong. Weren't you?
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I have no idea.
Yup, sums it up.
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Either A’Hearn was evolving or he was deluded, which one?
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Old 27th November 2018, 04:46 AM   #588
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Why the hell would I? This is a bunch of clowns modelling something that is scientifically impossible, and will never see the light of day in the scientific literature. Complete waste of time. Hint; we already know what powers the Sun.
Ok then.
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Old 27th November 2018, 04:49 AM   #589
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Either A’Hearn was evolving or he was deluded, which one?
How many bloody times do I need to say this; there is no rock at a comet. Point to the detection if you disagree.
Quit with the LYING and OBFUSCATION. Go through the literature, and find this non-existent rock, or shut the hell up about it.
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Old 27th November 2018, 05:24 AM   #590
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Sorry if A’Hearn’s statement about science advancing evolving upsets you so much.

I’m not lying, this is what he said.
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Old 27th November 2018, 05:28 AM   #591
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Comets are rocky objects and mainstream sciences understanding is slowly for some at least, evolving toward comets being mostly rock.

Marco Fulle is also of this opinion.
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Comets are rocky objects and mainstream sciences understanding is slowly for some at least, evolving toward comets being mostly rock.
Nope, no rock has ever been detected at a comet. Prove me wrong. Show the detection, or STFU.
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Old 27th November 2018, 05:35 AM   #593
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Sorry if A’Hearn’s statement about science advancing evolving upsets you so much.

I’m not lying, this is what he said.
Yes, you are LYING. He referenced his claim by linking to two papers. Go read them, and find the rock. He was talking about dust. He was talking to an audience of intelligent people who know that comets are not rock, as opposed to a bunch of semi-evolved Velikovskian fruitloops that think comets are literally rock. I've shown you a paper that post-dates that one, on which he was a co-author, and it is bloody obvious that they are not describing rock. There is no rock at comets. Full stop.
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Old 27th November 2018, 05:59 AM   #594
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Deep Impact Was a Dust-up, Not a Gusher

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Results are still coming in, but so far the scientists report seeing only weak emission from water vapor and a host of other gases that were expected to erupt from the impact site.
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It's pretty clear that this event did not produce a gusher," said SWAS principal investigator Gary Melnick
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"The more optimistic predictions for water output from the impact haven't materialized, at least not yet."
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Both the head and tail consist of gases and dust ejected from the comet's nucleus - a frozen chunk of rock and ice about half the size of Manhattan Island.
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Five decades ago, Harvard astronomer Fred Whipple developed a model of comet nuclei as "dirty snowballs." He hypothesized that comets consist of mostly ice with some dirt and rock mixed in.
MOSTLY ROCK or MOSTLY ICE jd116?

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SMA astronomers saw little increase in production of gases following the impact. Gas production rates remained so low that they could set only an upper limit on the total.

All we needed was a factor of three boost from the impact to get a definite detection," said Qi. "We didn't see that."
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Theories about the volatile layers below the surface of short-period comets are going to have to be revised," Qi said.
Revised to what exactly?


So you think Astronomers are confused on what dust, ice, gas and rock are?
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Revised to what exactly?


So you think Astronomers are confused?
Back to OBFUSCATING again, yes?

Those Tempel 1 quotes are from press releases immediately after the impact. I have already linked to papers showing how much ice and vapour was released in that impact, so you can quit with this crap.
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Most striking is that the comet is not made up of very much at all. "It's mostly empty," said Prof A'Hearn. The fine particles of dust and ice are held together extremely loosely, with pores thought to run throughout. "We have deduced that around 75% to 80% of the nucleus is empty and that tells me there is probably no solid nucleus. That is a significant advance in our understanding," said Prof A'Hearn.
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The finding overturns the view held by some scientists that comets were hard balls of solid dust and ice. "The outer several tens of metres of the cometary material is extremely fragile," said Prof A'Hearn whose study is published online by Science Express today.
Deep Impact space collision reveals comets to be fluffy balls of powder

Nope looks like A'Hearn‘s understanding was evolving.
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Nope looks like A'Hearn‘s understanding was evolving.
Nope, see the paper I linked that you refuse to deal with. The strength of that material is extremely low. As A'Hearn, being a co-author, knew.
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A large dust/ice ratio in the nucleus of comet 9P/Tempel 1.

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The corresponding dust/ice mass ratio is probably larger than one, suggesting that comets are 'icy dirtballs' rather than 'dirty snowballs' as commonly believed. High dust velocities (between 110 m s(-1) and 300 m s(-1)) imply acceleration in the comet's coma, probably by water molecules sublimated by solar radiation. We did not find evidence of enhanced activity of 9P/Tempel 1 in the days after the impact, suggesting that in general impacts of meteoroids are not the cause of cometary outbursts.
Yup evolving...

Oh and that snookers one of the mechanism that you invoke for active main belt comets (asteroids - ROCK)

Leaves you with just spin up!

Should we keep going?

They found squat in the way of ice.

You make it sound like it was triumphant moment when it was a huge disappointment as it was not as expected from the mainstream model of cometary nuclei.
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Nope, see the paper I linked that you refuse to deal with. The strength of that material is extremely low. As A'Hearn, being a co-author, knew.
Not what MUPAS found now did it champ?
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Do comets have a hard outer shell, jd116?
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