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Old 27th November 2018, 06:27 AM   #601
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
A large dust/ice ratio in the nucleus of comet 9P/Tempel 1.



Yup evolving...

Oh and that snookers one of the mechanism that you invoke for active main belt comets (asteroids - ROCK)

Leaves you with just spin up!

Should we keep going?

They found squat in the way of ice.

You make it sound like it was triumphant moment when it was a huge disappointment as it was not as expected from the mainstream model of cometary nuclei.
WTF is all that crap about? Back to OBFUSCATING again, yes?

Investigation of dust and water ice in comet 9P/Tempel 1 from Spitzer observations of the Deep Impact event
Giquel, A. et al (2012)
https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/fu...a18718-11.html

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A sustained production of water is observed, which can be explained by the sublimation of pure ice grains with sizes less than 1 μm and comprising a mass of ice of (0.8−1.8) × 107 kg.
For the hard of mathematics, that is 8 - 18 000 tonnes.
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Old 27th November 2018, 06:30 AM   #602
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Do comets have a hard outer shell, jd116?
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Old 27th November 2018, 06:31 AM   #603
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Do comets have a hard outer shell, jd116?
Why don't you have a look in the literature?
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Old 27th November 2018, 06:31 AM   #604
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Originally Posted by jonesdave116 View Post
WTF is all that crap about? Back to OBFUSCATING again, yes?

Investigation of dust and water ice in comet 9P/Tempel 1 from Spitzer observations of the Deep Impact event
Giquel, A. et al (2012)
https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/fu...a18718-11.html



For the hard of mathematics, that is 8 - 18 000 tonnes.
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Then the Haser model (3, 4) for the radial outflow of the unknown parent mol- ecule(s) and the radical (dissociation product) CN were used to determine the production rate
Deep Impact Observations by OSIRIS Onboard the Rosetta Spacecraft



Oh that it explains it!
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Why don't you have a look in the literature?

OBFUSCATING
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Deep Impact Observations by OSIRIS Onboard the Rosetta Spacecraft



Oh that it explains it!
What explains it? You're LYING again.
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Basically, the mainstream have no model as stated by tusenfem.
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OBFUSCATING
No. There is no rock at comets. If you think there is then show the detection. You're question is an irrelevance.
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Old 27th November 2018, 06:37 AM   #609
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What explains it? You're LYING again.

Your using the Haser model to get Q

It’s wrong champ!
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Basically, the mainstream have no model as stated by tusenfem.
Really? Where did he state that? Seems to me you are all butt-hurt because your own 'model' (lol) was a total failure. Yes?
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No. There is no rock at comets. If you think there is then show the detection. You're question is an irrelevance.
Are they as you state ice with puffy dust?

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Your using the Haser model to get Q

It’s wrong champ!
No, I am not using the Haser model, read the Spitzer paper you liar.
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Are they as you state ice with puffy dust?

Read the literature. They sure as hell are not rock, are they?
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Really? Where did he state that? Seems to me you are all butt-hurt because your own 'model' (lol) was a total failure. Yes?
Well are they dirty snowballs or icydirtballs maybe just deep fried ice cream.

Which one is the mainstream model, ‘cos you’ve a couple on the go just to headge your bets.
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Read the literature. They sure as hell are not rock, are they?
I have. Mainstream don’t have a model.
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Well are they dirty snowballs or icydirtballs maybe just deep fried ice cream.

Which one is the mainstream model, ‘cos you’ve a couple on the go just to headge your bets.
Irrelevant. Read the literature. This is about the total failure that is the electric comet model (lol). Deal with its total failure, instead of OBFUSCATING.
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Read the literature. They sure as hell are not rock, are they?
Yes, you are right they are not all rock just MOSTLY rock but really they are MOSTLY NOTHING at all just empty space.
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I have. Mainstream don’t have a model.
Bore off, you clown.
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Irrelevant. Read the literature. This is about the total failure that is the electric comet model (lol). Deal with its total failure, instead of OBFUSCATING.
Can’t or won’t?
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Yes, you are right they are not all rock just MOSTLY rock
LIAR.

Show the detection of rock. How many times now?
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Bore off, you clown.
Well pony up then.

What is the mainstream model?

As wiki explains? NASA? ESA?
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Can’t or won’t?
What? You want me to go through all the literature to explain what comets are, when this thread is about your total failure of a model? Why the hell should I, when you refuse to answer simple questions like 'where is the rock', and 'where are the discharges'? You can go do one. Your stupid model failed horribly, and you have nothing left to do other than try, pathetically badly, to criticise the model that is shown to be correct. Deal with your own failed 'model', and if you can't there is no longer any point to this thread. It needs binning.
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Old 27th November 2018, 06:52 AM   #623
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LIAR.

Show the detection of rock. How many times now?
Will you agree comets are mostly dust then?
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Well pony up then.

What is the mainstream model?

As wiki explains? NASA? ESA?
Irrelevant. This is about the stupid electric comet model (lol). If you want to start a thread on real comets, then start one.
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Nope. Mostly vacuum.
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What? You want me to go through all the literature to explain what comets are, when this thread is about your total failure of a model? Why the hell should I, when you refuse to answer simple questions like 'where is the rock', and 'where are the discharges'? You can go do one. Your stupid model failed horribly, and you have nothing left to do other than try, pathetically badly, to criticise the model that is shown to be correct. Deal with your own failed 'model', and if you can't there is no longer any point to this thread. It needs binning.
Are you one of those people that like to go knocking on doors Sunday morning dressed in your best?

Why don’t you stick around for awhile longer, mainstream still have plenty of data to crunch and the OSIRIS teams up coming paper where they incorporated a gif of the terminator..
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Are you one of those people that like to go knocking on doors Sunday morning dressed in your best?

Why don’t you stick around for awhile longer, mainstream still have plenty of data to crunch and the OSIRIS teams up coming paper where they incorporated a gif of the terminator..
And what the hell is that garbage meant to mean?
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Nope. Mostly vacuum.
One Richard Cranium there!

So MOSTLY VACUUM with some dust and a little ice?

You have no model.

MOSTLY ROCK?

MOSTLY ICE?

These are very basic questions.

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(c) What are comets made of? At the simplest level, a very basic question is whether comets are mostly ice or mostly rock/dirt/refractory material. Whipple’s [2] model of the dirty snowball, the first quantitative model, envisioned cometary nuclei as mostly ice, although our understanding has been evolving more toward mostly rock, particularly for 67P/C-G for which refractory/volatile ratios as high as 6 have been cited [3,4].
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One Richard Cranium there!

So MOSTLY VACUUM with some dust and a little ice?

You have no model.

MOSTLY ROCK?

MOSTLY ICE?

These are very basic questions.



M.A’Hearn

And.....? What has this got to do with the total failure that is the subject of this thread? And there is zero rock.
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The EC/EU was a stillborn idea. It's never been a model or a theory. Stillborn because the measured density and porosity alone are sufficient to prove there's no rock, period.

I'm pretty sure it was JayUtah who pointed out that the goal of the conspiracy theorist is not to discuss or further understanding. Their goal in this is to prolong the conversation, to give the appearance that there are two sides to the question, usually using the tried and true Gish Gallop. And yes, it is a conspiracy theory at its foundation. The meany scientists are suppressing new ideas and/or trying to cover up their mistakes, all so they can reap the riches of their positions in academia.
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The ELECTRIC FIELD much more efficient!
"The ELECTRIC FIELD" insanity to derail from his electric comet insanity
The diamagnetic cavity is an magnetic-field less volume in the comet coma. Modeling involves " on-neutral friction, dissociative recombination, photoionization, and thermal and energetic ion pressure" with a flow pattern.

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More idiocy of citing a dust and ices comet paper to derail from his electric comet insanity.
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in case you did'nt catch jd116 link to the paper Surface localization of gas sources on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko based on DFMS/COPS data

The "outgassing" is not uniform over the surface as EXPECTED from an MOSTLY ICY nucleus.
An insane lie about comets to derail from his electric comet insanity.
Sol88 has known abut comets for 12 years which is what makes the lie insane.

Anyone who knows about comets does not expect outgassing to be uniform over the surface of the MOSTYY DUST AND ICES, NON-UNIFORM, SPINNING nucleus of 67P or other comets. Anyone who knows about comets knows about comet jets from very non-uniform outgassing. The paper uses a model and data to define the "nine most active emitting areas on the comet's surface" as expected for comets.

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The EC/EU was a stillborn idea. It's never been a model or a theory. Stillborn because the measured density and porosity alone are sufficient to prove there's no rock, period.

I'm pretty sure it was JayUtah who pointed out that the goal of the conspiracy theorist is not to discuss or further understanding. Their goal in this is to prolong the conversation, to give the appearance that there are two sides to the question, usually using the tried and true Gish Gallop. And yes, it is a conspiracy theory at its foundation. The meany scientists are suppressing new ideas and/or trying to cover up their mistakes, all so they can reap the riches of their positions in academia.
I would agree to an extent, although I feel the founding principles are firmly based on Velikovsky's woo*. That, of course, morphed into Talbott's Saturnist woo, which is around the time that he and Thornhill became the gruesome twosome. Everything they believe and promote is based on that fundamental, unscientific, physics defying nonsense.
Hence the electric comet needing to be rock, because they say it was blasted off a planet by a giant thunderbolt (lol), most likely at the time Earth was orbiting Saturn and/or Venus was performing handbrake turns around the solar system. This being due to Venus coming within spitting distance of Earth and Mars, causing the aforementioned non-existent thunderbolt.
It can also be traced back to the nonsense entitled 'Cosmos Without Gravitation', by the uber-loon Velikovsky. It is why Thornhill, armed with his BSc, wants to overturn everything we know about gravity, and turn it into some sort of EM effect. Constant G screws up his Saturn, Venus and comet fairy tales. He knows it breaks the laws of physics, so this incompetent tool is going to rewrite said laws (lol).
And then we have Scott, who tries to resurrect Juergens' stupid electric Sun idea, and makes a complete arse of himself in the process. I'm not sure when Scott threw in his hand with this **** fest of woo.
All the stuff about Birkeland and Alfven is just to try to make it appear that there is some sort of scientific foundation to their nonsense.
It is hilariously sad that apparently sane people have fallen for this crap. One can only invoke extreme scientific illiteracy in mitigation for them.

* https://web.archive.org/web/19980615...euniverse.html
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This "outgassing" can not "hold back" the solar "wind".
A deluded "outgassing" lie to derail from his electric comet insanity.

It is a lie because outgassing is real and observed to hold back the solar wind.
How Does a Comet Work?

The lie is deluded because he is abysmally ignorant comets and physics, so has no idea what outgassing can do or is doing.
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All these years and still completely clueless clutching at straws!
A insane "clueless " insult to derail from his electric comet insanity.

I have the scientific literature with over 70 years of empirical evidence and actual, working science as "clues" !

He has 12 years of blind faith in a deluded, lying cult's electric comet insanity (with a few personal touches) with no empirical evidence or working science. He is the one who is "still completely clueless clutching at straws".
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The strong localized surface electric fields...
"strong localized surface electric fields" doing magic insanity (vomits up part of his electric comet insanity).

Comets should be weakly charged when they have no coma shielding them from the Sun. That charge is adequate enough to electrostatically lift dust as in a similar situation on the Moon. But the Moon is not a comet!
The charging stops when the coma forms as the comet nears the Sun . Outgassing does not stop. Outgassing increases!
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Another spate of ~366 items of ignorance, idiocy (citing irrelevant mainstream papers), delusion, derails, insults, and lies from 27 July 2018 to 21 November 2018
Another spate of ~415 items of ignorance, idiocy (citing irrelevant mainstream papers), delusion, derails, insults, and lies from 27 July 2018 to 28 November 2018

Sol88's electric comet insanity (comets are rocks blasted from planets be electric discharges, etc.).

18 November 2010: The lies, failures and successes of Thunderbolts Deep Impact predictions by Wal Thornhill
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc.
13 April 2018: A couple of the delusions in Scott's Birkeland current paper.

The electric comet delusion has at least 45 years without a scientific electric comet model or observations to support it!

Over 3 years of the fear of doing basic physics: 25 June 2015 Sol88: Use a impact calculator to calculate the size of the crater on a comet made of rock by the Deep Impact impactor.

SAFIRE insanity in addition to his electric comet insanity.
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Question for you what is the mainstream cometary model?
An insane mainstream question to derail from his electric comet insanity.

Sol88 has been regurgitating up his electric comet insanity for 12 years. He must know the mainstream cometary model.

The mainstream cometary model is not his electric comet insanity.
What someone knows abut an irrelevant topic is noting to do with his electric comet insanity.

What if Jean Tate has learned about comets? We would get the same deluded denial of comets and physics that we have seen about posts from everyone else here who has learned about comets including an author of at least 1 scientific paper on comets .

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