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Old 5th May 2019, 02:49 PM   #481
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
When and where did I claim that I couldn't be charged with anything?
I said that I didn't care if it was illegal or not.

You said it wasn't an act of violence

What do you think they would charge you with?

Assaulting a police officer?
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Old 5th May 2019, 03:37 PM   #482
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I offer a challenge to both of you!

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Seriously?! Man, I thought all the snowflakes had thawed by now:

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Old 5th May 2019, 04:56 PM   #484
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
You said it wasn't an act of violence

What do you think they would charge you with?

Assaulting a police officer?
Actually it would be battery on a police officer, you know, if hitting people with eggs wasn’t just a harmless prank.
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Old 5th May 2019, 05:12 PM   #485
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I personally know someone who was knocked out by a raw egg (outside his school, age sixteen). It caught him in the middle of his forehead and (presumably) must have impacted with its 'pointy end', where they're actually very rigid.

Whatever, I'm surprised at the rather elastic (and self-serving?) definitions that some posters here have of 'nazi' and 'assault'.

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Old 5th May 2019, 05:32 PM   #486
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
Hello!

I personally know someone who was knocked out by a raw egg (outside his school, age sixteen). It caught him in the middle of his forehead and (presumably) must have impacted with its 'pointy end', where they're actually very rigid.

Whatever, I'm surprised at the rather elastic (and self-serving?) definitions that some posters here have of 'nazi' and 'assault'.
You get used to it.

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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
Hello!

I personally know someone who was knocked out by a raw egg (outside his school, age sixteen). It caught him in the middle of his forehead and (presumably) must have impacted with its 'pointy end', where they're actually very rigid.

Whatever, I'm surprised at the rather elastic (and self-serving?) definitions that some posters here have of 'nazi' and 'assault'.
Welcome. Why not pitch in with your own non self serving definitions?
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Old 5th May 2019, 05:41 PM   #488
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Welcome. Why not pitch in with your own non self serving definitions?
DON'T DO IT! RUN WHILE YOU CAN!
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The risk/reward scorecard for assaulting nazis (not limited to egging) is out of whack.

REWARDS
Tangible
Visceral pleasure of sticking it to a nazi
Stops the nazi from what they're doing at that moment
Debatable
Stops the nazi long term
Deters other nazis

RISKS
Tangible
Normalizes political violence
Violent retaliation
Imperfect targeting -- innocent parties assaulted in chaotic situations
Debatable
Encourages other nazis

It's not even close, unless you're confident these assaults deter other nazis. I don't see how one gains such confidence.

I suspect other posters will think of risks/rewards that don't occur to me.
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
Hello!

I personally know someone who was knocked out by a raw egg (outside his school, age sixteen). It caught him in the middle of his forehead and (presumably) must have impacted with its 'pointy end', where they're actually very rigid.

Whatever, I'm surprised at the rather elastic (and self-serving?) definitions that some posters here have of 'nazi' and 'assault'.

Welcome to the forum.
You will have to get used to objections to claims that sound like urban myths if all you have is anecdotal evidence (Wikipedia):
"I personally know someone who ..."

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The teller of an urban legend may claim it happened to a friend (or to a friend of a friend), which serves to personalize, authenticate and enhance the power of the narrative while distancing the teller.
(...)
Urban legends typically include common elements: the legend is retold on behalf of the original witness or participant; dire warnings are often given for those who might not heed the advice or lesson contained therein (this forms a typical element of many e-mail phishing scams); and the tale is often touted as "something a friend told me", while the friend is identified by first name only or not identified at all.
Urban legend: Propagation and belief (Wikipedia)

Do you know the experiment where you place an egg between your hands and press at both ends? It's supposed to prove that you can't break an eggs that way. If you try, I recommend a big bowl underneath for the omelette you'll be making afterwards.

In this case, all I could find was this:

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Are you crazy?! That is a breach of the M.A. 1. and 3.
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I personally know of two tragic cases of egg attacks dann et al refuse to admit are violence.

One a truck driver who had an egg biffed at his head. Hit him on the forehead and the mixture temporarily blinded him, affecting his driving. The truck swerved through a fence and onto a runway in the path of a landing 767. The plane had to try to swerve, but flipped and 231 passengers and the truckie were were unfortunately all killed in horror.

The other was a soldier who ran nuclear weapon launches in Nevada

His colleague egged him for a joke and during the ensuing confusion he accidently launched a missile at a small village near Scunthorpe in the UK.

The UK and US govt covered it up so you may not have heard of it. 12,567 dead all because of what dann calls "justice"

Some of the above might be slightly made up
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I think Nazis should be beaten; with a whisk, in a large bowl with some milk and flour, then cooked on a griddle and served with a side of fava beans, and a nice Chianti.
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I think Nazis should be beaten; with a whisk, in a large bowl with some milk and flour, then cooked on a griddle and served with a side of fava beans, and a nice Chianti.
I believe if you reverse the ratio of eggs vs flour, the resulting mixture should more closely qualify to be called batter-y.
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I think Nazis should be beaten; with a whisk, in a large bowl with some milk and flour, then cooked on a griddle and served with a side of fava beans, and a nice Chianti.
And never forget to season

Suzie salt and Percy pepper are always your friend
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Assault is assault is assault. Which is to say, while we may recognize that different degrees of assault may merit different degrees of consequence, it does not mean that any degree of assault should be tolerated. A man who beaned an egg at his wife because she burned the roast would be guilty of domestic violence. People who commit domestic violence should not get a free pass. Neither should people who commit political violence. But as we see repeatedly on this forum, there are plenty of people who think that political violence is okay, as long as it's their politics that are committing the violence.
Sadly true.
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There's a line in there between the all-talk poser and the mass killer. It's a very broad line. This guy in the OP looks solidly on the all-talk side of it. I don't equate this type with mass murderers. Wearing some cheap bling from Amazon does not a monster make.
Yes that is why the recent mass shootings shouldn't be considered mass killings by white supremacists. White supremacists are harmless by definition so clearly these were not them.
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No - nobody is "intimidated" by being hit with an egg, nor are they intended to be. The point is humiliation.
There's a significant overlap between the two.
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All the egging vids were essentially sucker punching...er, sucker egging. Blindsided. Which is okay in context I guess. No need to slap a glove to the face.

I guess what ultimately worries me is: what happens when the first young guy who thinks these egg vids are super cool tries it on the wrong guy. We can all see how bad that could go. So should we be cheering it now, or saying 'yeah, it was funny, but come on, guys'?
How can it be the wrong guy when all white supremacists are by your definition harmless hateful teddy bears?
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Yes, as long as the hand wringing stays shifted over to the well being of the egger, we are good. The Nazis can run the gauntlet of the law if they choose to respond with disproportionate force.
Why would they expect to? The cops work so closely with them of course they are safe in that case.
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This is exactly what I have been saying. Actual, gassing, genocidal nazis are pretty rare. White power punks who adopt a swastika are pretty common. But I think a lot of posters are wrongly associating the former with the latter.
Exactly they are just the harmless youth going out an curb stomping blacks and queers. Nothing wrong or violent about that.
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Actually I am. I simply understand that silencing and dehumanizing people doesn't work, and only makes the situation worse.

I mean look at how that affected you. Do you think doing it back will make them feel different? Or will it do the same thing it did to you, make you angry, make you organize and make you fight.

The only way to deny that outcome is to convince yourself they are not human, and therein won't have your same reaction. Which you are doing by steps.

Personally I prefer hearing the word ****** over organized gangs of pissed off white supremacists, but hey I'm funny like that.
But all gangs of white supremacists are angry that is the whole point of white supremacy. But advocating violence never hurt anyone, that is why we need to silence any advocation of violence against these harmless white supremacists who only want to cleanse the country of the untermensch.
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Just to update everyone:
I have been reading all the various efforts of de-radicalization and so far I have not found any techniques which include abuse, and certainly none that mention egg throwing. The Germans seem to have an interesting program where they don't really tackle the extremist views, but focus on job and career programs in order to address underlying socio-economic factors of radicalization.

Would anyone advocating assault as an effective method of combating radicalization care to share successful programs with such practices?
Of course the guy who got egged would being going to prison for his swastikas there as well.
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You think the guy in the OP was a gassing murderer? Seemed more like just a pretentious gasbag to me.

Real Nazis = real problems

BS gasbag = BS problem
And of course how do you know which he is before he shoots up a place of worship/school? Or is that more BS gasbagging?
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Your constant harping on this "No True Nazi" nonsense would actually be laughable at this point, if it wasn't a tactic straight out of the Daily Stormer propaganda guide.

Since you're stuck on this "the only Nazis were card-carrying party members in post-Weimar Germany," please to be explaining how many of those were actively and knowingly involved in "gassing" Jews and other "undesirables". I'll wait.

By your standard, there have only ever been a few hundred Nazis, ever, regardless of how many proudly wore the label and promoted the ideology.
Hey lots of nazis were regarded as harmless blowhards back in the day too. See this New York Times article.

https://www.nytimes.com/1922/11/21/a...ited-with.html
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We go through this every time! Can we (the pro-eggers) agree that it's at least "Assault Light"?

My contention on civil disobedience applies here. You do the crime, be prepared to do the time. When we were out disrupting traffic and trying to block entry to Fort Dix, the draft board, ROTC or whatnot, we were all prepared to get busted. If it's important to you, you put your body on the line (to be overly dramatic).

Egg-throwers tend to wind up getting the crap beat out of them in larger groups of Nazis. The not-so-gentle hand of the NYPD or federal marshalls is far preferable to a group-stomping by angry right wingers, believe me!
But there is often no difference of course.
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Well no

He is obviously an idiot who has a fixation with Nazism and waves flags around and says he is a Nazi.

I meant that people are starting to say anyone who voted for the wrong person in the US are now being labelled Nazi's. Or at the very least far right racists.

It is pathetic
Yea that is as crazy as thinking @whitegenocide(tm) is a racist instead of a reliable source of information. Nothing racist about viewing him as a highly respected source of information.
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You get used to it.
Well, I've actually lurked here a while (gained some weight on from all the popcorn), so I know what you mean. I have to confess that part of the reason for joining was so I could use <ignore> - already has a few names on it, I'm afraid to say.

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They are all schrodingers Nazi, as Chris Cantwell typifies. Sure he is happy to be violent and assault people as if he was really a nazi, but then cries on the internet about being persecuted for merely beating people so clearly just a blowhard and not a true nazi.

See they are clearly only real nazis when they are actively engaged in violence. After the christchurch shooting the shooter went right back to being an internet troll and blowhard with his OK symbols. Totally harmless then.
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DON'T DO IT! RUN WHILE YOU CAN!
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Old 6th May 2019, 07:11 AM   #512
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
Agreed, for actual, real Nazis. For edgy posers, not so much.

You know what, no. Sorry, but this is utter BS.

I personally have no problem with a bunch of edgelord pseudo-Nazis getting swept up with the "real" Nazis.

Everyone in this culture knows, or should know if they're not idiots living under rocks, what a Nazi is and what being a Nazi means. Certainly the edgelords playing at Nazis do, otherwise they would find someone else to emulate to prove how edgy they are. And ultimately that doesn't bloody well matter. It's not my responsibility to split hairs deciding who is a "real" Nazi, and who is a LARPing edgelord, because the end result is the same in either case -- more promotion of the Nazi worldview.

And in case you haven't forgotten, these "fake Nazi edgelords" have murdered dozens of people in the US and elsewhere in the last few years. How many more people do they need to kill before you'll take them seriously and stop spewing white nationalist propaganda in your insistence that we should ignore them?

Nope, it doesn't work that way. If you're going to going around wearing the symbols and spewing the propaganda and playing at being a Nazi, it doesn't matter if you really believe what you're saying or if you're just doing it to shock and troll people. If you're going to act like a Nazi, you don't get to whine when you get treated like a Nazi, and get swept up with the "real" Nazis. Maybe you should re-evaluate what you are doing with your life, and stop associating yourself with the worst people in human history. Just sayin'.
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Old 6th May 2019, 07:15 AM   #513
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Welcome. Why not pitch in with your own non self serving definitions?
I don't have my own, I use the conventional ones. Hence a person is NOT a 'nazi' simply because they oppose radical changes in law proposed by liberals/progressives, and 'assault' is pretty much a matter of law, and DOES include throwing eggs at people.
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This is not a Nazi chicWP revival as along with any aesthetic we have a a wave of emboldened white supremacy and race/non Christian hate.
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
I don't have my own, I use the conventional ones. Hence a person is NOT a 'nazi' simply because they oppose radical changes in law proposed by liberals/progressives, and 'assault' is pretty much a matter of law, and DOES include throwing eggs at people.
Do you think the man wearing the swastika and waving the Nazi flag is sympathetic with your opposition to these unspecified changes in law proposed by liberals/progressives? What are some examples of these changes in law?
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That <ignore> list is going to keep growing for a while.
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Originally Posted by IsThisTheLife View Post
That <ignore> list is going to keep growing for a while.
How about you discuss the topic and quit the posturing?
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
And of course how do you know which he is before he shoots up a place of worship/school? Or is that more BS gasbagging?

Yes. Even the German Nazi Nazis weren't really Nazis until the Kristallnacht (Wikipedia) in 1938. After that, egging would have been justified (but not in accordance with German law, of course) if you carefully avoided hitting them in the face.
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Yes. Even the German Nazi Nazis weren't really Nazis until the Kristallnacht (Wikipedia) in 1938. After that, egging would have been justified (but not in accordance with German law, of course) if you carefully avoided hitting them in the face.
Look, even when we wind back the Nazi label to merely a description of persons displaying Nazi symbols in the context of white supremist sentiment we have a very bad situation going on. To ignore this and split hairs is not useful.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Perhaps you wanting to be a pendant has got you to a place you might not want to be because you have just argued yourself into saying that throwing confetti at someone at a wedding is an act of violence.....



In nearly all jurisdictions in the US, verbally berating someone is an act of violence. Yet most people seem to be okay with that sort of violence.

Too many people are hung up on this black and white view of "violence", and seem to be unwilling to consider that there are degrees of violence, and that all acts of violence are most emphatically not equal.

Spitting on someone is an act of violence. Shooting someone in the head with a shotgun is an act of violence. Attempting to equate the two is morally and intellectually bankrupt and beyond stupid, at best.
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