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Old 10th July 2019, 06:39 PM   #1
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Moon Landing Footage Would Be Impossible To Fake

Moon landing footage would have been impossible to fake a film expert explains why

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It's been half a century since the magnificent Apollo 11 Moon landing, yet many people still don't believe it actually happened. Conspiracy theories about the event dating back to the 1970s are in fact more popular than ever.

A common theory is that film director Stanley Kubrick helped NASA fake the historic footage of its six successful Moon landings.

But would it really have been possible to do that with the technology available at the time? I'm not a space travel expert, an engineer or a scientist. I am a filmmaker and lecturer in film post-production, and while I can't say how we landed on the Moon in 1969 I can say with some certainty that the footage would have been impossible to fake.

Here are some of the most common beliefs and questions and why they don't hold up.
Read the whole thing. You could say that it's illuminating.
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Old 11th July 2019, 02:25 AM   #2
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYFMU7XfyzE

Professional filmaker SG Collins explains all the reasons why shooting the Lunar EVA in a studio would have been totally impossible with the technology of the time.

Its 13 minutes long, and if you're a skeptic of the Apollo conspiracy theory, its the best 13 minutes you will ever spend watching a YouTube video.
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Old 11th July 2019, 09:12 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYFMU7XfyzE

Professional filmaker SG Collins explains all the reasons why shooting the Lunar EVA in a studio would have been totally impossible with the technology of the time.

Its 13 minutes long, and if you're a skeptic of the Apollo conspiracy theory, its the best 13 minutes you will ever spend watching a YouTube video.
He does a excellent job of debunking the "made on Earth video of the Lunar excursions"
I second the notion of it is the best 13 minutes of video whether you be a skeptic of the Apollo conspiracy theory or not.
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Old 11th July 2019, 09:15 AM   #4
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*puts on tin foil hat*

Except, the government had secret advanced computing technology that only filtered down to the private sector circa the year 2000!

*removes hat*

I don't actually believe that. For one, the Soviets were able to verify the moon landing's veracity. There's no way in hell they wouldn't have cried foul had it been faked. Also, there is a lot from Kubrick's 2001 that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Like, the stewardess and the floating pen. You can literally see her peeling if off tape.

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Old 11th July 2019, 11:03 AM   #5
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There is a whole eleaborate conspiracy theory that Stanley Kubrick was hired to fake the moon landings, and the making of "2001" was part of the cover up.....

I am really expecting some high level insanity from the Moonbats on July 20th....
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Old 11th July 2019, 01:54 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by lobosrul5 View Post
*puts on tin foil hat*

Except, the government had secret advanced computing technology that only filtered down to the private sector circa the year 2000!

*removes hat*
"Once you are forced to hypothesise whole new technologies to keep your conspiracy possible, you have stepped over into the realm of magic, requiring of you a deep and abiding faith in things you can never know."
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I don't actually believe that. For one, the Soviets were able to verify the moon landing's veracity. There's no way in hell they wouldn't have cried foul had it been faked. Also, there is a lot from Kubrick's 2001 that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Like, the stewardess and the floating pen. You can literally see her peeling if off tape.
The lunar shuttle landing kicks up dust that hangs in the air... that only happens in an atmosphere.

The way the astronauts walk on the Lunar surface as the approach TMA1 is nothing like 1/6G
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Old 11th July 2019, 01:58 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
There is a whole eleaborate conspiracy theory that Stanley Kubrick was hired to fake the moon landings, and the making of "2001" was part of the cover up.....

I am really expecting some high level insanity from the Moonbats on July 20th....
You are more than likely to be correct. With a possible rash of "new" YT videos re-hashing the stupidity of HB's. And forums such as this.
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Old 11th July 2019, 02:22 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
"Once you are forced to hypothesise whole new technologies to keep your conspiracy possible, you have stepped over into the realm of magic, requiring of you a deep and abiding faith in things you can never know."
- S. G. Collins



The lunar shuttle landing kicks up dust that hangs in the air... that only happens in an atmosphere.

The way the astronauts walk on the Lunar surface as the approach TMA1 is nothing like 1/6G
There is a lot more than that, for instance the lunar topography in 2001 is all jagged and sharp (a common belief at the time because there was no atmosphere to erode sharp peaks) but in reality it is very round and smooth (because the impacts of millions of micro-meteors acted as the eroder,) also the Earth is clearly too large as seen from the surface, and the phase of the Earth changes multiple times throughout the scenes. I believe that Kubrick and the cameraman are visible as a reflection in the visor of Bowman of one of the others in one shot as well.

The funniest part of the whole "Apollo was faked" thing though is that films like 2001 were based on what we believed the Lunar surface was like, and what Apollo did as make us rethink all of our previous assumptions, from what the surface was really like, to even how the Moon came to exist in the first place. If they were going to fake it, then the very last thing they would have wanted to do was totally rewrite our contemporary beliefs about the moon, because that just makes scientists work harder at trying to figure out the mysteries of why what they got back was not what was expected, and that would be more likely to result in any duplicity being uncovered.
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Ot.Finally caught "First Man" the Neil Armstrong biopic this week. Not a great movie...not another "Right Stuff" or "Apollo 13" but still good and well worth watching.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
"Once you are forced to hypothesise whole new technologies to keep your conspiracy possible, you have stepped over into the realm of magic, requiring of you a deep and abiding faith in things you can never know."
- S. G. Collins



The lunar shuttle landing kicks up dust that hangs in the air... that only happens in an atmosphere.

The way the astronauts walk on the Lunar surface as the approach TMA1 is nothing like 1/6G
I am sorry, smartcookie, I can't let you do that..........
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Originally Posted by lobosrul5 View Post
*puts on tin foil hat*

Except, the government had secret advanced computing technology that only filtered down to the private sector circa the year 2000!

*removes hat*

I don't actually believe that. For one, the Soviets were able to verify the moon landing's veracity. There's no way in hell they wouldn't have cried foul had it been faked. Also, there is a lot from Kubrick's 2001 that doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Like, the stewardess and the floating pen. You can literally see her peeling if off tape.
The Soviet ability to know that we faked the moon landing and the PR coup they could expose by revealing it is one of the best reasons to believe that we actually did land on the moon......unless the russians were in on it.
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The Soviet ability to know that we faked the moon landing and the PR coup they could expose by revealing it is one of the best reasons to believe that we actually did land on the moon......unless the russians were in on it.
Which kinda defeats the whole "fake it to beat the Russians" argument. Also makes you wonder why the Soviets would have scrapped their own manned lunar program and hidden it rather than demanding that the USA helped their fake their own landings had they been in on it.
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Nixon sold them wheat, or something.
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Nixon sold them wheat, or something.
Yea, with one mission left.
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Personally I hope to one day launch the CT that the Apollo missions were real, but the Vietnam War was faked. The whole thing was staged at Eglin AFB in Florida by Robert McNamara as a way to hide all the deaths from poorly designed Ford cars made between 1964 and 1973.

If you're going to allege crazy BS - GO BIG.
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Which kinda defeats the whole "fake it to beat the Russians" argument. Also makes you wonder why the Soviets would have scrapped their own manned lunar program and hidden it rather than demanding that the USA helped their fake their own landings had they been in on it.
The Russians gave up on their attempts to put a human on the moon because they could not build a successful rocket that was big enough.

Ref: N1_(rocket)WP
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The Russians gave up on their attempts to put a human on the moon because they could not build a successful rocket that was big enough.

Ref: N1_(rocket)WP
I am very well aware of that. I was talking about their reasons in a fantasy world where Apollo was hoaxed and the Soviets knew it,
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If NASA was willing/able to fake great achievements, they would have another one by now.
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The way the astronauts walk on the Lunar surface as the approach TMA1 is nothing like 1/6G
The preceding scene with a meeting inside the lunar base is very obviously in normal earth gravity. I suppose it's less jarring because they're indoors and wearing everyday clothes.

When they get outside in spacesuits everyone moves more slowly and deliberately since for some reason movie shorthand for low gravity is doing everything really slowly.

I can remember as a kid playing at being spacemen and suddenly having this lightbulb moment "Wait - why are we moving so slowly?". Every kid knew that's how you did being in space, but it didn't make any sense.
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If NASA was willing/able to fake great achievements, they would have another one by now.
Voyager 2 must be due back with an alien olive branch any day now. Surely.
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If NASA was willing/able to fake great achievements, they would have another one by now.
No there is no rocket capable of a Moon landing currently operational.
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No there is no rocket capable of a Moon landing currently operational.
I'm pretty sure you don't need a rocket capable of a Moon landing to fake a moon landing.
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I'm pretty sure you don't need a rocket capable of a Moon landing to fake a moon landing.
That would be a big red flag FOR a conspiracy, since there doesn't exist the possibility of a Moon landing.
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That would be a big red flag FOR a conspiracy, since there doesn't exist the possibility of a Moon landing.
Conspiracy theorist don't need red flags. That's why they are conspiracy theorists.

If you have a rocket capable of landing on the moon why not.... yah know just land on the moon?

And most of the moon landing deniers I've dealt with are firmly in the "It's not technically possible to land on the moon" (radiation and such). I've not run into many "Oh we could have landing on the moon we just... didn't." types.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
Conspiracy theorist don't need red flags. That's why they are conspiracy theorists.

If you have a rocket capable of landing on the moon why not.... yah know just land on the moon?

And most of the moon landing deniers I've dealt with are firmly in the "It's not technically possible to land on the moon" (radiation and such). I've not run into many "Oh we could have landing on the moon we just... didn't." types.
Almost all the CT BS begins after a rocket/landing craft are out of eyesight. That's when you get the
Never left LEO
Radiation
No stars
No crater
Not correct communication time lapse
The Government (them) always lies
etc.
I'm not arguing that what you describe doesn't happen, but the conspiracy has to have a starting point. Now if that starting point was a secret powerful rocket with a launching site, then maybe I'll go with your thoughts.

And yes I have run onto many CT's that don't take science/facts into consideration for basing those ignorant beliefs.
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I'm pretty sure you don't need a rocket capable of a Moon landing to fake a moon landing.
But the first thing people will ask is "how did you get there?".
So you have to be able to say "We went in that massive rocket you saw".
Etc.
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But the first thing people will ask is "how did you get there?".
So you have to be able to say "We went in that massive rocket you saw".
Etc.
That reminds me of the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw&t=42s
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Maybe this should be merged with the Moon Hoax thread already exisiting?
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Maybe this should be merged with the Moon Hoax thread already exisiting?
I don't agree.

There are so many wide and varied aspects of the moon hoax conspiracy theory it really deserves a section of its own like 911 Conspiracy and Trials & Errors.

Shadow angles
Flag movement
The Lunar Module
The Lunar rover
Lack of Stars
Movement of the astronauts in 1/6th G
Radiation and the van Allen belts
Computer techology
Dust
Film and image anolmalies
Heat
Soil
Rocks
Reseau plate fiducials
Big conspiracy v small conspiracy

and many more

I usually restrict Moon Hoax Debate to apollohoax.net because here, multiple trains of logic are all lumped into one thread, making it difficult or impossible to follow a line of reasoning.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
I don't agree.

There are so many wide and varied aspects of the moon hoax conspiracy theory it really deserves a section of its own like 911 Conspiracy and Trials & Errors.

Shadow angles
Flag movement
The Lunar Module
The Lunar rover
Lack of Stars
Movement of the astronauts in 1/6th G
Radiation and the van Allen belts
Computer techology
Dust
Film and image anolmalies
Heat
Soil
Rocks
Reseau plate fiducials
Big conspiracy v small conspiracy

and many more

I usually restrict Moon Hoax Debate to apollohoax.net because here, multiple trains of logic are all lumped into one thread, making it difficult or impossible to follow a line of reasoning.
Seems like we have beaten those "anomalies" to death, yet they are like zombies as they continue to re animate.
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There are so many wide and varied aspects of the moon hoax conspiracy theory...

Shadow angles...
[etc.]
Wow, it's like you read the Clavius.org landing page.

But yes, there are many different kinds of evidence that conspiracy theorists look at when claiming a hoax. And it's difficult to follow them all in one thread when they don't have much in common that underlies them. However, here the Apollo hoax just doesn't get as much attention as the 9/11 Truth, or even the Trials and Errors subforum. Ever since the timely demise of Dr. Poop, we just don't get many takers. Even at ApolloHoax.net we've had basically only two or three engaged claimants in the past year.

I'm certainly not disputing your proposition. I agree. But I think that here in this forum the counterargument prevails.
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Old 14th July 2019, 12:26 PM   #33
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Wow, it's like you read the Clavius.org landing page.
I did and I have, and its where I send people who ask me about the Apollo Hoax Theory.

It must have been a real smart guy who put that website together!

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But yes, there are many different kinds of evidence that conspiracy theorists look at when claiming a hoax. And it's difficult to follow them all in one thread when they don't have much in common that underlies them. However, here the Apollo hoax just doesn't get as much attention as the 9/11 Truth, or even the Trials and Errors subforum. Ever since the timely demise of Dr. Poop, we just don't get many takers. Even at ApolloHoax.net we've had basically only two or three engaged claimants in the past year.

I'm certainly not disputing your proposition. I agree. But I think that here in this forum the counterargument prevails.
Fair enough then.
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Originally Posted by JayUtah View Post
Wow, it's like you read the Clavius.org landing page.

But yes, there are many different kinds of evidence that conspiracy theorists look at when claiming a hoax. And it's difficult to follow them all in one thread when they don't have much in common that underlies them. However, here the Apollo hoax just doesn't get as much attention as the 9/11 Truth, or even the Trials and Errors subforum. Ever since the timely demise of Dr. Poop, we just don't get many takers. Even at ApolloHoax.net we've had basically only two or three engaged claimants in the past year.

I'm certainly not disputing your proposition. I agree. But I think that here in this forum the counterargument prevails.
Who pray tell was Dr. Poop? Not Dr. Socks?
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Who pray tell was Dr. Poop? Not Dr. Socks?
Isn't he the fellow who told us 'going to the moon is like riding a bicycle, it's not rocket science'? Still my favourite moment on this forum.

Side bar: Is the recent Apollo 11 movie worth going to see if one was living and breathing the whole Gemini/Apollo thing in real time?

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Who pray tell was Dr. Poop? Not Dr. Socks?
One and the same. He was the one with the odd obsession with Frank Borman's feces. As well as the man of a thousand sock puppets.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
I did and I have, and its where I send people who ask me about the Apollo Hoax Theory.
Sure, if you like 1990s web design. I just thought the taxonomy looked pleasantly familiar. A nice, logical way to organize a rather large body of fact.

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It must have been a real smart guy who put that website together!
Naw, that guy's a jerk.
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Wow, it's like you read the Clavius.org landing page.

I've been meaning to ask you, Jay, have you noticed a spike in traffic to Clavius recently, as we approach the anniversary?
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Originally Posted by SpitfireIX View Post
I've been meaning to ask you, Jay, have you noticed a spike in traffic to Clavius recently, as we approach the anniversary?
Yes, about 50% more traffic this month than previous months.
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