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Old 5th July 2019, 04:23 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Depends on my options. But this really isn't the thread to get into it. I probably won't bother to answer any more questions about it here.
In a thread you started which states Donald Trump is "Selfish, Stupid, and Wrong", you can't decide whether you would vote for him or not?

Still, I commiserate. It can't be easy knowing you don't really have any options.
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Old 5th July 2019, 04:32 PM   #122
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My boss called an unscheduled conference call at 2PM on July 3. Big deal.
Was it because the boss decided to reverse a policy from the day before based on no new information?

It is a big deal.
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Old 5th July 2019, 04:49 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
In a thread you started which states Donald Trump is "Selfish, Stupid, and Wrong", you can't decide whether you would vote for him or not?



Still, I commiserate. It can't be easy knowing you don't really have any options.
I'm holding out hope for Maryanne Williamson.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I'm holding out hope for Maryanne Williamson.
At least with Trump you get the Republican politics of self interest.
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Old 5th July 2019, 11:52 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
One quirk I noticed was that he would periodically turn and squint at something off to his left, somewhere below or past the teleprompter on that side. Was he getting prompts as to the timing, or something? It just looked incredibly odd and awkward.
It didn't look any different to when he's reading from a teleprompter to me - he always looks uncomfortable using someone else's words and being forced to keep to the script.
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Old 6th July 2019, 07:05 AM   #127
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At least with Trump you get the Republican politics of self interest.
That's just politics. At least with Trump you get someone who isn't already plugged into the political self interest machine.
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Old 6th July 2019, 07:15 AM   #128
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It didn't look any different to when he's reading from a teleprompter to me - he always looks uncomfortable using someone else's words and being forced to keep to the script.
I'm amused by the fact that most news outlets said he gave a non-partisan and largely effective speech. The amusing thing is that it will only be remembered for the airports in the Revolutionary War.
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Old 6th July 2019, 08:26 AM   #129
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I'm holding out hope for Maryanne Williamson.
Hope that the Professor will get her and the other castaways off the island and into the polls?
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Old 6th July 2019, 10:01 AM   #130
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Hope that the Professor will get her and the other castaways off the island and into the polls?
It was supposed to be a three hour campaign.
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As has been observed on a number of Internet forums, most Trump supporters/defenders/voters do not want to discuss their reasons for voting for Trump. One of the few times I've seen someone try and explain, their reason was that because the Republicans only pay lip service to a certain unspecified brand of conservatism the poster therefore voted for Trump. That's kind of opaque but they are refusing to discuss it any further.

I tend to believe the reluctance to discuss Trump on the part of people who seem to support him -- though a lot of them take exception to that, they insist they're only interested in pushing back against anti-Trump fervor -- has to do with the reasons being personal, possibly more emotional than deliberative. It would be interesting to discuss it -- I see that sentiment stated on a lot of boards -- but the supporters seem a bit gunshy. Afraid that people will scoff at their reasoning or, maybe it won't look so good (even to therm) written out in plain text? It's an unknown.
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Old 6th July 2019, 12:01 PM   #132
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
That's just politics. At least with Trump you get someone who isn't already plugged into the political self interest machine.
No, he's completely plugged into the self-interest self-interest machine.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
That's just politics. At least with Trump you get someone who isn't already plugged into the political self interest machine.
Bull crap.
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The bar for American president is lies in the mud and ****.
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Old 6th July 2019, 06:17 PM   #135
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Um, What?

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Donald Trump has been not made a lifelong career of the kind of quid pro quo, wash my back and I'll wash yours, revolving door corruption that is most politician's stock in trade.

He doesn't have a favor bank to pay out of, or borrow against. He's got, at most, a constituency that's pissed off at the GOP. Mitch McConnell doesn't owe him anything, but also has no leverage on him.

The only pro-Hillary argument in this context would be that Hillary Clinton is not complicit in an institution of political corruption.
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Old 6th July 2019, 06:33 PM   #136
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Fascinating. Tell me more.
See post #164.
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See post #164.
No, I mean tell me *more*. Develop your argument and drive it home.
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Old 6th July 2019, 06:38 PM   #138
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Donald Trump has been not made a lifelong career of the kind of quid pro quo, wash my back and I'll wash yours, revolving door corruption that is most politician's stock in trade.

He doesn't have a favor bank to pay out of, or borrow against. He's got, at most, a constituency that's pissed off at the GOP. Mitch McConnell doesn't owe him anything, but also has no leverage on him.

The only pro-Hillary argument in this context would be that Hillary Clinton is not complicit in an institution of political corruption.
OK. This is one specific thing I didn't previously anticipate.

My response: Deutsche Bank. Russian Banks.

I'll admit, the extent of your willful blindness continues to amaze me.
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OK. This is one specific thing I didn't previously anticipate.



My response: Deutsche Bank. Russian Banks.



I'll admit, the extent of your willful blindness continues to amaze me.
Seems like you don't understand how favors work.
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No, I mean tell me *more*. Develop your argument and drive it home.
It's not my argument. It's Cabbage's.
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A grifter president is fine.
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A grifter president is fine.
Is there any other kind?
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Is there any other kind?
Come on, it has only been three years.
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The claim that Trump was not tapped into the "quid pro quo" of politics is nonsense. He was just on the other side of it prior to 2016.
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Old 7th July 2019, 05:49 AM   #145
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Come on, it has only been three years.
Not everyone subscribes to the school of thought that history began with Donald Trump.
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And I'm trying to figure out how it's not obvious.
Political self-interest at least benefits a portion of the population, whereas personal self-interest benefits one. The former is therefore more likely to produce some good (most political groups aim for the good of the nation as they see it).
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Old 8th July 2019, 05:36 AM   #148
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Trump let himself influenced by the evangelists and Israel who want to eliminate any threat against the chosen people? And by the way i want to denounced the recent corrupted report of ONU dictated by the CIA, the problem in Venezuela are the American sanctions who want to eliminate the socialist government to steal their ressources not their government. Does Trump want to attack Iran and do millions of victimes as in Irak? Iran respected their part of the treaty Trump should do the same.
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Iran respected their part of the treaty Trump should do the same.

Not going to happen. President Obama was involved in the treaty, and ever since the 2011 White House Correspondent's Dinner, Trump has been determined to destroy anything President Obama has ever touched, literally or figuratively. Nothing is too big or too small. He offered to change the name of Denali back to Mount McKinley, for crying out loud.
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I'm amused by the fact that most news outlets said he gave a non-partisan and largely effective speech. The amusing thing is that it will only be remembered for the airports in the Revolutionary War.
I saw some commentary on PBS to the effect off, "it was largely a solid and nonpartisan speach which is why I found it so jarring" Followed by an explanation of why it was bad because it wasn't bad? He may as well have just done one of his typical rally speeches.

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The claim that Trump was not tapped into the "quid pro quo" of politics is nonsense. He was just on the other side of it prior to 2016.
That was even one of his points on campaign.

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Not everyone subscribes to the school of thought that history began with Donald Trump.
That can't be right?
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Old 8th July 2019, 09:31 AM   #151
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That sounds about right to me. Like most men of his age, he's reluctant to show weakness or incapacity and it seems clear to me from the way he looks at the teleprompter that he's not comfortable using it*. I think he did exactly what you suggest - not least because he often does exactly that, goes off script.

He's also incapable of admitting that he made any kind of flub or mistake so he attempts to style out (and fails IMO) when he makes a mistake reading the teleprompter instead of making light of it and reading what it actually says.


* - it's not clear to me whether it's an eyesight issue, a reading ability issue, simply that he is uncomfortable having to look in one or two places or a combination of them all.
I think that is an unbiased and comprehensive surmise.
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That can't be right?
Between my confusing phrasing, and your confusing phrasing, I'm confused about what you're actually asking. Let me start over:

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History didn't begin with Donald Trump.

Many people talk as if they believe history began with Donald Trump.

Not everybody who talks that way actually believes it.

Not everybody talks that way.
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I think these four statements are all correct.

What I was trying to say is that some people believe - or pretend to believe - that Donald Trump invented corruption and dishonesty in politics. They talk as if the long history of political bad behavior doesn't exist, and that these things all started when Donald Trump took office.

It's a false belief, and a dishonest pretense.

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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Between my confusing phrasing, and your confusing phrasing, I'm confused about what you're actually asking. Let me start over:

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History didn't begin with Donald Trump.

Many people talk as if they believe history began with Donald Trump.

Not everybody who talks that way actually believes it.

Not everybody talks that way.
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I think these four statements are all correct.

What I was trying to say is that some people believe - or pretend to believe - that Donald Trump corruption and dishonesty in politics. They talk as if the long history of political bad behavior doesn't exist, and that these things all started when Donald Trump took office.

It's a false belief, and a dishonest pretense.
Quite obviously you left out some words. I would recommend "under" before Donald Trump and "Got Worse" at the end.

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Quite obviously you left out some words. I would recommend "under" before Donald Trump and "Got Worse" at the end.

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Thanks for the suggestion, but the missing word was "invented". I have now corrected the post.
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Thanks for the suggestion, but the missing word was "invented". I have now corrected the post.
OK. If you want to be wrong that's your prerogative.

Should've listened to me instead, bro.
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The first expresiion I would use to describe the Trump presidency is "historically incompetent": I don't think there ever was a President with less understanding of the US political system as the current one.

next one would be "least educatable": not only has no no clue, he refuses to learn.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Between my confusing phrasing, and your confusing phrasing, I'm confused about what you're actually asking. Let me start over:

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History didn't begin with Donald Trump.

Many people talk as if they believe history began with Donald Trump.

Not everybody who talks that way actually believes it.

Not everybody talks that way.
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I think these four statements are all correct.

What I was trying to say is that some people believe - or pretend to believe - that Donald Trump invented corruption and dishonesty in politics. They talk as if the long history of political bad behavior doesn't exist, and that these things all started when Donald Trump took office.


It's a false belief, and a dishonest pretense.
I should have had a winking emoticon. I was attempting to be sarcastic on account of the way everyone seems to think History did indeed start 3 years ago. So. basically agreeing with your premise.

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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Between my confusing phrasing, and your confusing phrasing, I'm confused about what you're actually asking. Let me start over:

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History didn't begin with Donald Trump.

Many people talk as if they believe history began with Donald Trump.

Not everybody who talks that way actually believes it.

Not everybody talks that way.
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I think these four statements are all correct.

What I was trying to say is that some people believe - or pretend to believe - that Donald Trump invented corruption and dishonesty in politics. They talk as if the long history of political bad behavior doesn't exist, and that these things all started when Donald Trump took office.

It's a false belief, and a dishonest pretense.
Who pretends to believe that Trump invented corruption and dishonesty in politics (or business, or his personal life, etc, etc)? I think everyone knows corruption and dishonesty predate Trump. It's more that Trump's corruption and dishonesty is orders of magnitude greater than anyone recent, say in anyone's living memory. I mean, you guys seem to add the flaw of every single other President together to come up with a way to say that Trump's not much worse, and somehow seem unable to spot the flaw in your comparison.
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No one thinks Trump invented corruption any more than they thing the industrial revolution invented making things.

However, in both cases, the more recent example made a huge difference in how fast and easy one got to the end result.
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>snip<
What I was trying to say is that some people believe - or pretend to believe - that Donald Trump invented corruption and dishonesty in politics. They talk as if the long history of political bad behavior doesn't exist, and that these things all started when Donald Trump took office.

It's a false belief, and a dishonest pretense.
Holy moly. What you wrote above is certainly a false belief and a dishonest pretense. You'd be hard pressed to find any quotes supporting such a ludicrous claim.
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