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Old 6th July 2019, 11:35 PM   #1
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All blacks coach - Domestic abuse is not a gender thing

Interesting this one

Steve Hansen is the All Blacks coach, which for those that don't know is our National rugby team. Rugby in NZ is pretty much a religion when it comes to sport.

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Long story short domestic violence is one of the scourges here. It is up there in embarrassment for me with child abuse deaths.

A player admitted to it and was then picked for the team. Much anger insued.

Reporters questioned the coach about appropriateness and he said as an ex-cop having to deal with it, it can be both sexes... Now it is kicking off.

Personally think he is an idiot

Not for what he said as it is true. But because these days stating the bleedingly obvious ends up getting you in the **** and it just isn't worth the hassle having to deal with the overly sensitive.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...a-gender-thing

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Steve Hansen backs Sevu Reece, says domestic violence 'is not a gender thing'


All Blacks coach Steve Hansen has defended the selection of Crusaders wing Sevu Reece, claiming that domestic violence "is not a gender thing" in New Zealand.

Reece admitted to one count of male assaults female after injuring his partner while drunk in a Hamilton street last year, but was discharged without conviction after Judge Denise Clark said there were mitigating factors.

After a strong season for the Crusaders, Reece was rewarded with an All Blacks callup and Hansen said he was worthy of wearing the black jersey.

"It's a big part of our society unfortunately," Hansen told Radio Sport on Saturday. "So rugby is going to have people within its community that are involved in this.

"And having been a policeman, I've seen plenty of it. And I know it's not just restricted to males assaulting women, women assault males too.

"It's not a gender thing, it's a New Zealand problem."

Hansen said New Zealand Rugby were opposed to domestic violence and that the Crusaders had helped him turn his life around.

Instead, he pointed the finger at poor parenting as the reason it was a society-wide issue in New Zealand.

"In some cases, unfortunately, the kids in the family follow the same methods as the people they live with," Hansen said.

"And if they don't get the right support and they don't get the right help, then they end up going down a path that we don't want them too. And we can't deny that it's happening in this country because we see it all the time.

"When I was a policeman I saw it all the time."

Hansen also said there were two types of domestic abuser and suggested that Reece might not have been rehabilitated if he wasn't a professional rugby player.

"To simplify it a little bit, there's usually two types of domestic violence," Hansen said.

"One where you've got a control freak, male or female, or two, you've got a frustrated male or female, and they strike out. And that's two different types of people.

"So when you look at this particular case, rather than asking the question 'why has rugby brought Sev in and looked after him?', the question I'd ask is 'what would happen if we didn't?'

"He's come into an environment in the Crusaders where they've put a lot of things around him that have helped educate him, they've helped him understand that to be a good person you have to do certain things, and by doing that he's shown a lot of remorse for what he's done.

"He's been actively trying to better himself and also, when he comes into our environment we already have a policy that better people make better All Blacks so we continue that with each and every individual we've got."

Reece has scored 16 tries for the Crusaders this year and is a good chance of being part of the All Blacks' Rugby World Cup squad.

Along with Rieko Ioane and George Bridge, he was one of just three specialist wings chosen in the first All Blacks squad of the year.

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Old 6th July 2019, 11:45 PM   #2
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Yeah feminists etc..
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Old 6th July 2019, 11:52 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Yeah feminists etc..
More than feminists
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Not interesting at all. Rugby used to fancy itself as a game of gentleman. That seems like centuries ago. Anti-social thugs pretty much all of them. Islander “culture” is embarrassing.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Not interesting at all. Rugby used to fancy itself as a game of gentleman. That seems like centuries ago. Anti-social thugs pretty much all of them. Islander “culture” is embarrassing.
What stats do you get this from exactly?
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What stats do you get this from exactly?
Oh come off it. Do you really want me to show crime and imprisonment rates for Maori and islander people compared to others in NZ?
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Oh come off it. Do you really want me to show crime and imprisonment rates for Maori and islander people compared to others in NZ?
Not without the poverty, average life span and health stats, no
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
Not interesting at all. Rugby used to fancy itself as a game of gentleman. That seems like centuries ago. Anti-social thugs pretty much all of them. Islander “culture” is embarrassing.
You want to rethink that statement?
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Not interesting at all. Rugby used to fancy itself as a game of gentleman. That seems like centuries ago. Anti-social thugs pretty much all of them. Islander “culture” is embarrassing.
May I ask why you turned a spousal abuse thread into a relative race value thread in the first place btw?

It seems a tad odd
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
A player admitted to it and was then picked for the team.
Discharged without conviction. The AB coach should take heed of the courts, and he has done so.

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Oh come off it. Do you really want me to show crime and imprisonment rates for Maori and islander people compared to others in NZ?
Don't bother - I'll do it for you: https://www.corrections.govt.nz/reso...arch_2018.html

Maori numbers aren't too flash, but you specifically said:

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Islander “culture” is embarrassing.
Pasifika people make up 8% of NZ's population, so they aren't over-represented by a lot, and probably none at all when you take into account the pigs' known racial bias.

I think their culture is less embarrassing than your racism.
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Discharged without conviction. The AB coach should take heed of the courts, and he has done so.



Don't bother - I'll do it for you: https://www.corrections.govt.nz/reso...arch_2018.html

Maori numbers aren't too flash, but you specifically said:



Pasifika people make up 8% of NZ's population, so they aren't over-represented by a lot, and probably none at all when you take into account the pigs' known racial bias.

I think their culture is less embarrassing than your racism.
Okay I used islander carelessly. I meant Maori and islander culture. Call it racist as much as you want. Criminality and family violence are endemic in Maori, islander and aboriginal communities. History hasn’t been kind to them, but in the here and now, rates of family violence in these communities are unacceptable. Does anyone deny this?
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Okay I used islander carelessly. I meant Maori and islander culture. Call it racist as much as you want. Criminality and family violence are endemic in Maori, islander and aboriginal communities. History hasn’t been kind to them, but in the here and now, rates of family violence in these communities are unacceptable. Does anyone deny this?
"Carelessly"?

No

You were just completely ignorant and wrong

And again

Why do you chose to turn my thread on domestic abuse into a race rant?
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
"Carelessly"?

No

You were just completely ignorant and wrong

And again

Why do you chose to turn my thread on domestic abuse into a race rant?
Absolute rubbish. How about answering my question about endemic domestic violence in these communities. Acceptable?
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By the way, as much as you don’t like it, my posts are entirely on topic.
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Absolute rubbish. How about answering my question about endemic domestic violence in these communities. Acceptable?

No

I am not going to play your game

I have already said our domestic violence stats are deplorable and baby deaths are deplorable

You come on here and turn it into a rant on "pacific islanders" for **** knows what reason.

Newsflash,

a) Race wasn't the topic of the thread... as much as you seem to want it to be

b) While Maori feature more highly in stats you might want to check the stats no one wants to be in, because they are higher there as well

c) We aren't going to solve the issues as a whole country by you going on about anyone not white being crap, we have to do it together.

d) Learn the pretty much international meaning of the difference between Maori and Pacific Islander. It ain't hard.

e) Don't preach **** that you have know personal understanding of
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
No

I am not going to play your game

I have already said our domestic violence stats are deplorable and baby deaths are deplorable

You come on here and turn it into a rant on "pacific islanders" for **** knows what reason.

Newsflash,

a) Race wasn't the topic of the thread... as much as you seem to want it to be

b) While Maori feature more highly in stats you might want to check the stats no one wants to be in, because they are higher there as well

c) We aren't going to solve the issues as a whole country by you going on about anyone not white being crap, we have to do it together.

d) Learn the pretty much international meaning of the difference between Maori and Pacific Islander. It ain't hard.

e) Don't preach **** that you have know personal understanding of
This is my point. Do something about it, or live with it.

I know the difference between Maori and Pacific Islander. Domestic violence statistics of both groups are appalling.

Back to the AB coach, his comments are also appalling. Agreed?
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I think the complainers in this case want to endlessly punish Reece for what he has done only because he is a high profile sportsman. If he was Fred Smith; accused of domestic violence and discharged without conviction who was playing for the Ekatahuna Fourth Grade team, and he was selected to play for their Firsts, we would not even be hearing about it.

If you are a burglar, a car thief; even if you have committed a rape or a murder, you eventually have the chance to re-integrate into society at some point, but if you are a sportsman who has committed an act of domestic violence, the feminists, SJWs and professional offence takers want you flogged daily for the rest of your life.

I have to say that one of the things about the Crusaders (Reece's club team) and the All Blacks culture is their adherence to the philosophy that better people make better rugby players. The way back for Sevu Reece was to offer him a chance to make himself a better person. At some point, Scott Robertson (the Crusaders coach) is going to insist that Reece faces up to whatever he has done (if he hasn't already done so) and that is likely to mean a face-to-face with his victim. That's how things work in Crusader country, its why they have a bit of a reputation for turning average people and players into excellent ones (those who have been around long enough might remember Ron Cribb and Caleb Ralph).
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Back to the AB coach, his comments are also appalling. Agreed?
No

Not really, as he is an ex cop who has witnessed domestic violence everyday

Just dumb, as I said in the OP
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I think the complainers in this case want to endlessly punish Reece for what he has done only because he is a high profile sportsman. If he was Fred Smith; accused of domestic violence and discharged without conviction who was playing for the Ekatahuna Fourth Grade team, and he was selected to play for their Firsts, we would not even be hearing about it.

If you are a burglar, a car thief; even if you have committed a rape or a murder, you eventually have the chance to re-integrate into society at some point, but if you are a sportsman who has committed an act of domestic violence, the feminists, SJWs and professional offence takers want you flogged daily for the rest of your life.

I have to say that one of the things about the Crusaders (Reece's club team) and the All Blacks culture is their adherence to the philosophy that better people make better rugby players. The way back for Sevu Reece was to offer him a chance to make himself a better person. At some point, Scott Robertson (the Crusaders coach) is going to insist that Reece faces up to whatever he has done (if he hasn't already done so) and that is likely to mean a face-to-face with his victim. That's how things work in Crusader country, its why they have a bit of a reputation for turning average people and players into excellent ones (those who have been around long enough might remember Ron Cribb and Caleb Ralph).
Pretty amazing environment the Crusaders have made.

They still make sure they have player family weekends and stuff. BBQs etc

Pretty cool.

Agree Cribb. Dude was a walking lose cannon till he signed up.
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For goodness sake, the race to excuse an abusing bastard because he is a decent rugby player is sickening.

Come on guys, if he was a street cleaner with this against him, you would be crucifying him.

The Crusaders have BBQs? **** off. They should have sacked this moron. Australian rugby has no problems with sacking players who step out of line. You don't. The World Cup you will no doubt win will be tainted if this guy plays.
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For goodness sake, the race to excuse an abusing bastard because he is a decent rugby player is sickening.

Come on guys, if he was a street cleaner with this against him, you would be crucifying him.

The Crusaders have BBQs? **** off. They should have sacked this moron. Australian rugby has no problems with sacking players who step out of line. You don't. The World Cup you will no doubt win will be tainted if this guy plays.
He was discharged without conviction

Now hey.

For all I know you could be a family friend and if so, well bow to your better knowledge, but so far on this thread you seem just a bit of a racist, so forgive me for not taking your view seriously
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He was discharged without conviction

Now hey.

For all I know you could be a family friend and if so, well bow to your better knowledge, but so far on this thread you seem just a bit of a racist, so forgive me for not taking your view seriously
Discharged without conviction does not mean he was not an abusing bastard. But you know this.

Also pointing out the obvious in regard to people of Maori, islander or aboriginal culture does not a racist make.

Now you tell me, would have even started this thread if Reece was not a star rugby player? Who is the apologist here? You have said the coach is a bit of an idiot, but you support Reece playing. What does that make you?
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The Crusaders have BBQs? **** off. They should have sacked this moron. Australian rugby has no problems with sacking players who step out of line. You don't. The World Cup you will no doubt win will be tainted if this guy plays.
You really, really, REALLY need to research the subject material so that you can proceed from a position of actually knowing what you are talking about. Then, when you make statements about stuff, you won't embarrass yourself in front of everyone and end up looking like an idiot.

Sevu Reece's assault charge was from before he was signed up with the Crusaders. They couldn't have fired him BECAUSE THEY TOOK HIM ON ALREADY KNOWING ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!

Read on and try to pay attention so that you learn something.

In October 2018, he was discharged without conviction by Judge Denise Clark (Hamilton District Court). She said "a conviction would have ended the Fijian-born player's Irish contract and that would have been out of all proportion to the gravity of the offending".

"I have considered your circumstances and it's certainly not the case that because you are good at playing rugby that you get the opportunity to be discharged without conviction."

Judge Clark accepted that the victim had forgiven Reece, that the couple were undergoing counselling, Reece had admitted a problem with alcohol and had been sober for three months. Reece expressed remorse and apologised at a restorative justice meeting, and he was supported in court by a young woman and other associates.

Judge Clark took into account his early guilty plea, the fact it was his first time before the courts. He was ordered to pay his victim $750 within 28 days for emotional harm reparation.

It was after all this, after his Irish contract (to play for Connaught) fell through, that Crusader's coach Scott Robertson offered Reece a lifeline, first to play in the pre-season, and later to play the full season after another player was injured. Anyone who knows anything about NZ Rugby, especially the Crusaders, will know that such a lifeline offered to a player in Reece's position, comes with conditions.

People with your attitude are a big problem.. you make things worse. You want to punish and punish and punish and punish and punish and punish and punish. The whole approach to dealing with domestic violence in NZ isn't on punishment, its on prevention; its on having friends and family getting offenders to stop by getting them to get help. If we did things your way, Reece would have been consigned to the scrap heap.

This is one of several anti-dometic violence TV ads currently running in New Zealand.

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It has been shown time and again that this sort of approach is far more effective than punishing and threatening punishment and throwing people in a dumpster.
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"Reece admitted to one count of male assaults female after injuring his partner while drunk in a Hamilton street last year, but was discharged without conviction after Judge Denise Clark said there were mitigating factors."
Is that actually a specific thing in NZ law?
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Is that actually a specific thing in NZ law?
Yep

It is specifically named in the crimes act

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194 Assault on a child, or by a male on a female
Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years who—
Part 8 s 192 Crimes Act 1961

(a) assaults any child under the age of 14 years; or
(b) being a male, assaults any female.
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Old 7th July 2019, 12:56 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Yep

It is specifically named in the crimes act
Are there any laws that make it illegal for females to hit males?
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Old 7th July 2019, 01:05 PM   #27
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I think the complainers in this case want to endlessly punish Reece for what he has done only because he is a high profile sportsman.
I think he's also probably a victim of past AB violent offenders who were given far too lenient handling.

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Is that actually a specific thing in NZ law?
Absolutely!

Pretty cool, eh?

It's so embedded in NZ culture that the underclass of humankind has their own shorthand for it: "Maf". As in "I picked up a Maf on the weekend".

I wish I were kidding - I have heard that exact phrase, in that exact context.

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Join the "Man-Up" program run by one of NZ's least respected churches.

Part of the program is getting the female half of violent relationships to modify their behaviour to learn not to trigger the violence.

Or, as Alan Duff neatly wrote it in Once Were Warriors, "Keep your legs open and your mouth shut, girl."

Sorry, I'm probably not helping, but I'm a little cynical on the subject ever since I saw old, white, men protesting about a law change that criminalised domestic battery.
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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy View Post
Are there any laws that make it illegal for females to hit males?
Assault

Nothing specific to female on male
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
I think he's also probably a victim of past AB violent offenders who were given far too lenient handling.



Absolutely!

Pretty cool, eh?

It's so embedded in NZ culture that the underclass of humankind has their own shorthand for it: "Maf". As in "I picked up a Maf on the weekend".

I wish I were kidding - I have heard that exact phrase, in that exact context.



Join the "Man-Up" program run by one of NZ's least respected churches.

Part of the program is getting the female half of violent relationships to modify their behaviour to learn not to trigger the violence.

Or, as Alan Duff neatly wrote it in Once Were Warriors, "Keep your legs open and your mouth shut, girl."

Sorry, I'm probably not helping, but I'm a little cynical on the subject ever since I saw old, white, men protesting about a law change that criminalised domestic battery.
Not sure how old you are, but this is pushing believability and I know what idiots we have
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Not sure how old you are, but this is pushing believability and I know what idiots we have
Mate, it's not ancient history - "disciplining" your Mrs physically was only outlawed in the Domestic Protection Act of 1982.

Christ, we only outlawed teachers beating the crap out kids 30 years ago.

NZ has a proud history of violence against children & spouses. A girl I knew in the late '70s told me how her father - a Police Youth Aid constable - used to take her to the garage to administer beatings* so the other kids didn't hear it.


*With the old faithful Kiwi standby - alkathene pipe. When I was a kid I knew more kids who were hit with that stuff than weren't.
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I was talking specifically about this comment

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I saw old, white, men protesting about a law change that criminalised domestic battery.
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Are there any laws that make it illegal for females to hit males?
Yes, its called assault.
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I think he's also probably a victim of past AB violent offenders who were given far too lenient handling.
Of course, he wasn't an AB when the Judge made her ruling. He wasn't even a full time professional player; no Super Rugby contract, he was playing NPC for Waikato on a retainer, and still had a day job.
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I was talking specifically about this comment
There was a cameraman handy as a group of a couple of dozen revolting old white men protested the law change. It will be in TVNZ archives somewhere.

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Of course, he wasn't an AB when the Judge made her ruling.
I mean the blowback against Reece, not what the judge said.
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There was a cameraman handy as a group of a couple of dozen revolting old white men protested the law change. It will be in TVNZ archives somewhere.
As I say. I severely doubt this, but then I can't be bothered trawling through weeks of some archive to disprove a claim from someone when the onus tends to be on them to actually back it up.

I remember the grief over the anti smacking bill though, so who knows.

Among 4.5 million odd people there tends to be a few complete gits
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There was a cameraman handy as a group of a couple of dozen revolting old white men protested the law change. It will be in TVNZ archives somewhere.
Actually, I think I remember that. Would have been late 1970s, maybe early 1980s, about the time of the Springbok tour?
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As I say. I severely doubt this, but then I can't be bothered trawling through weeks of some archive to disprove a claim from someone when the onus tends to be on them to actually back it up.
I agree on the onus, and I've looked to see if I can find any evidence, but I suspect you'd have go into TVNZ archives. I was going to suggest talking to any rational Kiwi over about 55 and they'll recall it, but Cooky looks to have done the job.

It really happened alright, and as you say, demanding to be able to beat your kids isn't a long way from it.

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Actually, I think I remember that. Would have been late 1970s, maybe early 1980s, about the time of the Springbok tour?
Yep. I'm picking the protest would have been straight after the 'Boks in '81, which is about when Parliament would have voted on it. It was only a couple of dozen blokes, so it was no big deal after the 'Bok drama. (that John Key didn't remember....)
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Yep. I'm picking the protest would have been straight after the 'Boks in '81, which is about when Parliament would have voted on it. It was only a couple of dozen blokes, so it was no big deal after the 'Bok drama. (that John Key didn't remember....)
I have a funny feeling some of them might have been Bert Potter's "Centrepoint" mob. They were a bunch of ********* who thought their women needed a belting to keep them in line.
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I have a funny feeling some of them might have been Bert Potter's "Centrepoint" mob. They were a bunch of ********* who thought their women needed a belting to keep them in line.
You might well be right with Potter - it's exactly the kind of thing he embraced.

As well as raping kids, etc.

I didn't suggest any of them were sane. I think that's why a protest of maybe 20 guys made network news - let them be identified.

And if you've been keeping an eye on St Brian of Tamaki and his ManUp program, you'll know the sentiment isn't buried very deeply.

On topic: have you ever come across Christian Domestic Discipline? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chris...iage_n_3479646 (The embedded links are all infected, so don't click on them!)

They used to run a forum that I joined under an assumed name. The wives used to claim they were being ignored if they hadn't had a good whipping for a week. Very christian. They'll still be at it, but it looks like they've absconded from the internet.
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Yep

It is specifically named in the crimes act
Incredible. What does a woman who assaults a man get charged with, and does the potential sentence differ?

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