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Old 14th June 2015, 07:28 PM   #401
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I tell you again, Under no money system it is not necessary to make profit because everything is free
Gaetan, do you not understand or are you being obtuse? In a no money world, for profit companies will not exist. There won't be anyone making robots or farm tractors or refining gas. There won't be anyone making cars, or processing food. These coampnies all work for profit and they will stop when their business makes no money.
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Old 15th June 2015, 02:46 PM   #402
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Gaetan, do you not understand or are you being obtuse? In a no money world, for profit companies will not exist. There won't be anyone making robots or farm tractors or refining gas. There won't be anyone making cars, or processing food. These coampnies all work for profit and they will stop when their business makes no money.
Anyway in another 50 years everything will be done by robots then people won't have the opportunity to work and make money then millions of jobs will be abolish, we are better to get use to it now than let few people to have all the money and distribute few dollars so that people can eat. We got to abolish now that stupid system. When extraterrestrials see us outside this planet they say that we are completely stupid to count everything.
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Old 15th June 2015, 03:27 PM   #403
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Anyway in another 50 years everything will be done by robots...
Very doubtful. First of all, the robots have to be invented. Then they have to be manufactured, programmed and tested. Then they have to be marketed. And then, even if they work perfectly, there will be people who refuse to utilize them.

And even if there were robots all over the place, doing all the work, that doesn't mean that humans would fare any better. The very same people whom you claim have all the money might have control of the robots, too, and might decide to get rid of all the surplus humans so that they can't cause trouble.

Gaetan, greed is powerful enough to continue even if you get rid of all the money and evenly divide the world's resources among all the people. They will not stay evenly divided for long. They never do.

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Extraterrestrials are watching us? I doubt that very much.
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Old 15th June 2015, 03:31 PM   #404
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When extraterrestrials see us outside this planet they say that we are completely stupid to count everything.
But extraterrestrials use money.
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You're idea that relatively high-pay employees are paid for being sycophants is dead-wrong. Exactly the opposite is true.
Actually there are companies...and not just small ones.wheer managment surrounds itself with yes men and sycophants.
But those companies...or the management teams...don't last for long since that is a disasterous course.
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Old 15th June 2015, 04:08 PM   #406
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But extraterrestrials use money.
Absolutely not, i know a lot of extraterrestrials and they never use money, when they do something, they do it for free, for exemple when they do something for spirits can't do they never ask for money, spirits don't use money either, it is just that stupid human that does it.
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Absolutely not, i know a lot of extraterrestrials and they never use money, when they do something, they do it for free, for exemple when they do something for spirits can't do they never ask for money, spirits don't use money either, it is just that stupid human that does it.
No, all the extraterrestrials that I've met, and that's been hundreds, have always used money. So do spirits. They all think it's stupid that some people want to get rid of a system that has led to human civilization and kept us from reverting to hunter/gatherer warring tribes.

They say that the most those people will be able to accomplish will be to clean toilets.
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Anyway in another 50 years everything will be done by robots then people won't have the opportunity to work and make money then millions of jobs will be abolish, we are better to get use to it now than let few people to have all the money and distribute few dollars so that people can eat. We got to abolish now that stupid system. When extraterrestrials see us outside this planet they say that we are completely stupid to count everything.
Actually, you're wrong. Robots are built by for profit companies so in a no money world, these companies won't exist.
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Wealth Inequality Continues to Widen

Wealth inequality has widened in the aftermath of the financial crisis and this year was no exception. This year's rise in equity prices and in the size of financial assets in high-wealth countries pushed up the wealth of some of the richest countries and people, resulting in increased wealth inequality. The top percentile of wealth holders now own just over half of the world's wealth and the richest decile 87.7 percent. "While the distribution of wealth is skewed towards the wealthy, the considerable economic importance of the base and middle sections (of the wealth pyramid) should not be overlooked. Together, they account for 39 trillion US dollars in wealth, driving a significant part of demand for a wide range of consumer goods and financial services," Thiam underlined. To be part of the wealthiest half of the world's adult population, you need 3,210 dollars once debts have been subtracted. (See figure) To be a member of the world's wealthiest 10 percent you need 68,800 dollars and to be among the richest percentile, 759,900 dollars.

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So Gaetan, why is wealth inequality such a thorn in your side? It's just a part of life. In any walk of life, there will be people with more money or more "stuff" than you.

Your silly idea of resdistributing wealth on a worldwide basis won't work and is unsustainable. People who are unable to generate money won't be able to maintain their lifestyles once the money runs out. Then what would you do after you've raided and pilfered from what you consider the "rich"?
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Money makes a slave of you because you have to work for a salary instead of doing it by altruism and voluntarily

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Old 28th February 2016, 11:39 PM   #413
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Money makes a slave of you because you have to work for a salary instead of doing it by altruism and voluntarily
That is so messed up.
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Money makes a slave of you because you have to work for a salary instead of doing it by altruism and voluntarily
Maybe, but it's still better than begging in street corner and waiting for altruism from others, if it never comes.
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Money makes a slave of you because you have to work for a salary instead of doing it by altruism and voluntarily
Working for a salary doesn't make you a slave.

And even if that were remotely true, the majority of our population doesn't work for a salary (retirees, kids, disabled, some welfare recipients).

Again, your thought process brings us back to a hunting and gathering society where people just fend for themselves with no job. In the end, we have a regression of society as we know it.

Gaetan, you should go move to a tribe in a remote country so you can work out of altruism and avoid having a salaried job.
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I'm sorry, but has Gaetan ever mentioned what he/she does for income?
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I'm sorry, but has Gaetan ever mentioned what he/she does for income?

I seem to remember the following:

-He had a business.
-It's immoral for businesses to keep their profits.
-A business is not allowed to have money in the bank after the bills are paid, according to his accountant.
-He gave the profits to the employees.

He then started posting here.

I might be confusing him with someone else in which case I have no idea where his silly views come from.
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I seem to remember the following:

-He had a business.
-It's immoral for businesses to keep their profits.
-A business is not allowed to have money in the bank after the bills are paid, according to his accountant.
-He gave the profits to the employees.
Gaetan's idea was apparently inspired by a book called "Utopia" written by Thomas More in the 1500's.

Ironically though, the Utopian society had money and the people there needed permission to come and go. The Utopians also used money to fund wars as long as it was their neighbors who were at war.

I'm not sure how that turned into everyone working for free and that profits are evil.
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Gaetan's idea was apparently inspired by a book called "Utopia" written by Thomas More in the 1500's.

Ironically though, the Utopian society had money and the people there needed permission to come and go. The Utopians also used money to fund wars as long as it was their neighbors who were at war.

I'm not sure how that turned into everyone working for free and that profits are evil.
He seems to have entirely missed that it was a work of satirical criticism.
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I'm sorry, but has Gaetan ever mentioned what he/she does for income?

AFAIK, Gaetan has never said what he does for a living. Some of us suspect that he might be possibly living off entitlements because of the position he has taken on profits and business.
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On planet X (Saturn) they don't earn an income.
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Developing countries lose at least $170 billion in tax revenues each year, because rich individuals and multinational companies hide vast amounts of money using tax havens. Many governments are complicit in sustaining this network. Poorer countries in particular suffer the consequences: they are deprived of funds to provide services like health and education, and to tackle poverty and extreme inequality.

Governments need to act together to force this system to end, and create a global tax system that works for the many, not the few. We will present this petition to world leaders as they meet at the UN General Assembly in September 2016, exactly a year after they committed to global goals to end extreme poverty and reduce inequality.

Itís time to end the era of tax havens and bring an end to inequality. Itís time to even it up!

https://www.evenitup.org/
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The wealthiest 62 people now own as much wealth as half the world's population, some 3.5 billion people, as the super-rich have grown richer and the poor poorer, international charity Oxfam said early Monday in London.

The wealth of the richest 62 people has risen by 44 per cent since 2010, while the wealth of the poorest 3.5 billion fell 41 per cent, Oxfam said in a report released ahead of the World Economic Forum's annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland.

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Gaetan,

What is your source of income?
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Developing countries lose at least $170 billion in tax revenues each year, because rich individuals and multinational companies hide vast amounts of money using tax havens. Many governments are complicit in sustaining this network. Poorer countries in particular suffer the consequences: they are deprived of funds to provide services like health and education, and to tackle poverty and extreme inequality.

Governments need to act together to force this system to end, and create a global tax system that works for the many, not the few. We will present this petition to world leaders as they meet at the UN General Assembly in September 2016, exactly a year after they committed to global goals to end extreme poverty and reduce inequality.

Itís time to end the era of tax havens and bring an end to inequality. Itís time to even it up!

https://www.evenitup.org/
So now you want to keep money?

What changed your mind?
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Money makes a slave of you because you have to work for a salary instead of doing it by altruism and voluntarily
Why on Earth should anyone provide you with goods or services without compensation?

So basically someone put the time and effort into creating an object that you want or need to the ability to perform a service you want or need and you think it's "slavery" if the don't just give it you without you giving them anything in return?
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Gaetan,

What is your source of income?
Asking such a question is breach of some forum rule, isn't it?
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Asking such a question is breach of some forum rule, isn't it?

How so? He's not obliged to answer.

Actually, strike that.
The way the 'rules' are being applied these days your post should be deleted for being off-topic, and because there's a slim chance you might have eaten a goats testicle in 1973.
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Developing countries lose at least $170 billion in tax revenues each year, because rich individuals and multinational companies hide vast amounts of money using tax havens. Many governments are complicit in sustaining this network. Poorer countries in particular suffer the consequences: they are deprived of funds to provide services like health and education, and to tackle poverty and extreme inequality.

Governments need to act together to force this system to end, and create a global tax system that works for the many, not the few. We will present this petition to world leaders as they meet at the UN General Assembly in September 2016, exactly a year after they committed to global goals to end extreme poverty and reduce inequality.

Itís time to end the era of tax havens and bring an end to inequality. Itís time to even it up!

https://www.evenitup.org/
I thought you were proposing a no money system because money is evil?

Now you are proposing to take money away from rich people to give it away to poor people?

The US has such a system and it doesn't work that well. It's called welfare and entitlements.
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The way the 'rules' are being applied these days your post should be deleted for being off-topic
Off-topic is very much on topic in the moderation policy nowadays, one must tread carefully.

Alas, this post is now off-topic. What must come upon me, let it come. It will be a coup de grace.
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Off-topic is very much on topic in the moderation policy nowadays, one must tread carefully.

Alas, this post is now off-topic. What must come upon me, let it come. It will be a coup de grace.
Unfortunately, you mentioned being on-topic. That's off-topic despite off-topic being on-topic. To keep an off-topic post on-topic one has to mention three-legged dogs... or something.
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You call that civilized when the fellows change side of the street in the story of the good samaritan, what is civilized is to give what people want for free, asking something in exchange is evil.

Here is some friends of mine:

The angel that i know appeared to me when i was a patient in a hospital and was in the dining room watching the television. She was a female angel. She had the feature of a young girl of eighteen years old. She had brown hair to her shoulders and wore a long blue and red dress ankle deep. She held herself about one meter in the air not being affected by gravity. She wore two broad brown wings on her back between the level of her head and knees.

Among the peoples living in space,there are the extraterrestrial beings with big ears.These ones are characterized by their ears who look like ours, but are four times bigger.They have a personality of love.They like everybody.I know that because i was possessed by one of these once in a while feeling his love.So, this extraterrestrial being was sometimes inside me,occasionally one of his ears use to materialize itself,describing slow circles like if heĎd be listening carefully somebody,detaching from him,and flying across the room.He use to lose his ears in this way but regenarate them quikly.I am proud of my friends of extraterrestrial origin.

The marionette djinns are kind young girls. They live in my neighborhood. They are of human form but they have their head round as a ball. They are usually of reduced shape of 10 cm. high because there are more at ease like that. They wear mini dress or dress at knees. I call them marionette because they have generally a thread attatch to their back and the other end of the thread somewere else, on a wall or a person as for exemples. This permits to stay close to their point of interest. They are very courageous. I have the luck to have some of them attatch upon me and to have them as friends.


Gaetan never stated how he made his income but this post of his might explain some of the mystery.
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Gaetan never stated how he made his income but this post of his might explain some of the mystery.

Ah. I'd forgotten about that. Explains a lot.
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Would you smart fellows tell me where is the money, poors and middle class don't have any. Then as rich have all the money, they are responsible for billions of poor and miserable people, they'll end their life in hell as Jesus said in the story of the rich and Lazar, not because they are rich, but because if they would be poor they would ask for help, because of their injustice. Then we got to abolish this unequal crual system, not only to save poors but rich as well.
Isn't that what you want? For people to not have money?

The story of the rich man and Lazarus actually has little to do about money itself.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan I was born to help poeples with problem but i worked at sea.
I found this on a previous thread, although he did not clarify what it meant.
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There is no futur on this planet with an evil tool like money and there is no futur for you either.
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There is no futur on this planet with an evil tool like money and there is no futur for you either.
Ok, you got me Gaetan. But if I must not have a future, can you at least send me all of your money so you can have a bright future?
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There is no futur on this planet with an evil tool like money and there is no futur for you either.
What is your source of income? How do you make your money Gaetan?
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Old 14th March 2016, 05:52 AM   #439
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Originally Posted by Joecool View Post

The story of the rich man and Lazarus actually has little to do about money itself.
In the parable of the rich and Lazarus he indicated that rich go to hell because they keep a lot for them when poor don't have enough. That's what he indicated in this parable, he was rich and poor Lasarus didn't have enough, but even if a man raise from death you won't be convinced.
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Old 14th March 2016, 07:55 AM   #440
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
In the parable of the rich and Lazarus he indicated that rich go to hell because they keep a lot for them when poor don't have enough. That's what he indicated in this parable, he was rich and poor Lasarus didn't have enough, but even if a man raise from death you won't be convinced.
No, that would be a fairy story concocted by goat herders.
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