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18th August 2018, 10:42 PM | #1 |
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Book: The Russia Hoax
For some reason this book has started showing up on my Kindle suggestions (I think it might be a paid promotion): https://www.amazon.com/Gregg-Jarrett...4656706&sr=1-1
Have any of the US forumites heard of Gregg Jarrett? Is he credible? I read some of the reviews there and it’s pretty full-on with a range of hating on everybody not on the Republican side of the political fence, as far as I can tell. |
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18th August 2018, 10:52 PM | #2 |
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Jarrett is a pretty decent purveyor of right-wing fantasy porn when not in rehab.
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18th August 2018, 11:01 PM | #4 |
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Jarrett has a regular program on Fox News. He's right up there with the Hannity crowd.
He does more than fill in. |
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18th August 2018, 11:29 PM | #6 |
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It popped up on my Amazon page as well. I skimmed some of the reviews. Sounds hacky.
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19th August 2018, 12:21 AM | #7 |
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19th August 2018, 12:22 AM | #8 |
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He's an attorney turned newscaster turned "guest expert" for right wing hacks who need an authoritative sounding name to support their bogus opinions. For sometime he was in the running with Rush for "most drugged out rightwing talking head" but supposedly took the cure (a week before he was arrested for being drunk and disorderly).
Donald Trump plugged his book. When asked to comment from a legal perspective as to whether the POTUS should be commercializing messages to the populace, he commented, "I dunno. What does Donnie want me to say?" He has the usual convenient morals and principles of "experts" at Fox. In August he called for a grand jury to lock her up over the Emails!! Within 24 hours Mueller had impaneled a grand jury and Jarret said that grand juries were undemocratic and a farce. Now that doesn't beat Sean and Donnie Johnny - they've been known to change their minds and contradict themselves mid-sentence, but that's the kind of expert we're dealing with here. (Book's been out for a bit, though... I guess it ain't selling so they're now plugging it, but I have to say I haven't seen any ads for it here.) |
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19th August 2018, 01:36 AM | #11 |
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Gregg Jarrett = right wing Trump sycophant.
I managed to get about 20% of the way though this ebook, but I had to stop because the half truths and obvious bias of the writer was too much to stomach. This book is a plainly obvious Trump-sponsored effort. It describes Clinton and Obama using words such as criminal, treacherous and corrupt but fails to provide any facts to back up those descriptions (or at least none that I was able to find). What I read of it follow almost word-for-word the sort of crap you see daily on Fox news. Jarrett is quite obviously a conspiracy theorist, and continually panders to Trump and the idiots he surrounds himself with. Anyone who has been following the investigation into the Russian 2016 election hacking will recognize that this book is a work of fiction. If you are looking for accurate information about the subject material, give this book a miss. |
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19th August 2018, 02:48 AM | #12 |
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Book: The Russia Hoax
I am not surprised by this.
Are there any real howlers in it? |
19th August 2018, 04:01 AM | #13 |
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The first obvious one:
Lost amid all the speculation about "collusion" was the fundamental fact that no such crime even exists anywhere in American law as it pertains to political campaigns. There are others, I'm just not sure I want to insult my brain by reading any more of Jarrett's garbage. |
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19th August 2018, 08:31 PM | #17 |
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19th August 2018, 10:26 PM | #21 |
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Really, this is where you are going, pretending there was no criminal goal?
That's a bizarre assertion. We know the criminal goal, conspiring with the Russians to get Trump elected. I think the evidence of conspiracy is there with the emails and the Trump Tower meeting alone. Few in the news media are calling it for what it is, so we all await the Mueller report that will spell it out in details too obvious to ignore. |
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Yeah, I heard this in Professor Ziggurat's class on Twisted Laws For Partisan Gain. Trump University Class of 98 (but for you, 93.95!)
See, collusion is not a crime unless it's collusion to do something illegal. And all he wanted was to beat Hillary, illegally. The "illegal" part was secondary. Kind of an extra bonus because of his generic miscreant makeup. The important part was "to beat Hillary" and that can't be illegal just because some part of it is illegal. And besides, it's attacking speech and association so a First Amendment Get Out of Jail Free card is in order. Or somethin' like that. It's amazing that you'd cite an opinion that concludes "it depends" as proof that collusion isn't illegal. Has anyone who's actually got knowledge of the current investigation said "Well, colluding is illegal and we don't care what he was colluding about we're gonna get him on the technicality"? I haven't seen that anywhere. What we have is about fourteen different angles, seven or eight of which may involve conspiring, plotting, planning on different levels to achieve different things, thirty-five of which may or may not have been "illegal" things. Once all the results are in we can say whether there was collusion to commit crimes. Until then all you've got is "well, collusion unto itself is not necessarily a crime". Next up: Dershowitz explains that "Obstruction is not a crime. Why, Rudy had obstruction of the lower bowel last month and no one arrested him!" |
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19th August 2018, 11:24 PM | #23 |
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If Trump could set aside his paranoia about the legitimacy of his presidency he would see that Russian attempts to influence the 2016 election are not a hoax. I don't know the exact evidence intelligence operatives have, but there seems to be very wide consensus that the Russians did attempt to meddle. It's a clue that 12 Russian intelligence officials have been indicted.
Is the "collusion" a hoax? That's a narrower question but Mueller seems to be very methodically working his way through evidence that suggests, at the very least, that the Trump administration was open to receiving info from the Russian government. Hillary's people might have been too, but were much more savvy, paying for research involving Russia-connected individuals (though not, ASFIK, Russia as a state actor). Trump has very, very reluctantly admitted that Russia (the government) made numerous attempts. His administration seems much more adamant about accepting that as a given. Trump and Trump's team seem to be on different pages in this matter. I haven't read the book though - this comment is based on general info, not claims in the book. |
20th August 2018, 01:44 AM | #24 |
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In order to strive towards a common reality, could we all just agree that collusion isn't necessarily a crime, but the collusion the Trump campaign is alleged to have carried out is a crime? It would help so much if we could stop being bogged down in countless inane "collusion isn't a crime" posts from Trumpists.
This message is mainly directed at resident Trumpists, such as the ones posting in this thread. |
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20th August 2018, 01:51 AM | #25 |
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"There was no collusion, witch hunt!"
"Sure, there was collusion, but is that even illegal?" "Okay, it's illegal, but is it really the kind of illegal that should have consequences?" |
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The collusion part is
18 U.S.C. § 371—Conspiracy to Defraud the United States If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. The criminal parts are... 52 U.S. Code § 30121 - Contributions and donations by foreign nationals (a) Prohibition. It shall be unlawful for— (1) a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make— (A) a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State, or local election; (B) a contribution or donation to a committee of a political party; or (C) an expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication (within the meaning of section 30104(f)(3) of this title); or (2) a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation described in subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1) from a foreign national. and 18 U.S. Code § 2 - Principals "(a) Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal. (b) Whoever willfully causes an act to be done which if directly performed by him or another would be an offense against the United States, is punishable as a principal. Make sure you understand the LEGAL meaning of procure... it means to "persuade or cause (someone) to do something". Publicly asking the Russians to find a political opponent's hidden documents is overtly procuring the commission of a criminal act, every bit as much as it would be asking them to break into a building and steal printed documents (a la Watergate). |
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And the offense against the United States was Trump getting elected? Because you cannot go with the "defraud" part which means to take money illegally from someone by deception.
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Trump lost by 3 million American voters' votes. He barely won a couple of EC states that skewed the results. And there is mounting evidence that the Russians gave him considerable help to win.
So yes, Trump getting elected by cheating is an offense against US democracy. As for the rest of your post, good luck with that when Mueller's report comes out. |
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Its like if you know a politically damaging terror attack is going to happen, are you really supposed to report that crap? Or just ride in on the anger over the attack?
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Correct.
Furthermore; If someone comes to you claiming to have damaging information on your political opponent that you know they have stolen, you are obliged to inform the FBI regardless of their nationality? If you don't you are committing a crime called accepting stolen goods - 18 U.S. Code § 662 If someone comes to you claiming to have damaging information on your political opponent that you do not know they have stolen, but you later find out that they did steal, you are obliged to inform the FBI regardless of their nationality? If you don't you are committing a crime |
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