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Old 27th June 2018, 03:42 PM   #401
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Between the SCOTUS vacancy after the last pick was stolen, Trump's meeting with Putin, holding immigrant children hostage with Trump denying the law that says those immigrants have a right to a hearing, Trump claiming he can pardon, himself, and the 2018 election coming up in a little over 4 months,...

Can you imagine what's going to happen when the Mueller **** hits the fan?

SCOTUS interfered in the election giving us Bush by stopping the FL recount, and SCOTUS' failed to stop gerrymandering and allowed vote suppressing voter ID laws both which allowed the GOP to rig the elections.


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Old 27th June 2018, 05:00 PM   #402
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Between the SCOTUS vacancy after the last pick was stolen, Trump's meeting with Putin, holding immigrant children hostage with Trump denying the law that says those immigrants have a right to a hearing, Trump claiming he can pardon, himself, and the 2018 election coming up in a little over 4 months,...
As far as I know, Trump's approval ratings are up. As for the Mueller thing, it's been so built up that if he doesn't have incriminating audio, Trump's not going anywhere. Hell, the Access Hollywood wasn't enough. We already know about the Tower meeting, and people don't give a ****.
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Old 27th June 2018, 05:03 PM   #403
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
As far as I know, Trump's approval ratings are up. As for the Mueller thing, it's been so built up that if he doesn't have incriminating audio, Trump's not going anywhere. Hell, the Access Hollywood wasn't enough. We already know about the Tower meeting, and people don't give a ****.
It's true. Everyone seems to be banking on the Mueller investigation, but I feel like this has been Trump's plan all along. He's done such terrible **** to so many different people that by the time this investigation is done, it will seem like child's play. There is absolutely no doubt that Trump has committed a myriad of white collar crimes. I just doubt he'll get pegged for any of it.
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Old 27th June 2018, 06:29 PM   #404
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
SCOTUS interfered in the election giving us Bush by stopping the FL recount...
A little off topic, but I think it needs to be said:

While it is true that the supreme court limited the time available for recounts in florida, that doesn't necessarily mean they incorrectly made bush president.

In fact, post-election analysis has shown that either candidate could in theory have won had more time been given to do the recounts, depending on how the recount was done (recount of the entire state vs. only districts requested by Democrats, how spoiled ballots were counted, etc.)

https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/polit...ies/index.html

Now, I do agree with the other stuff you said... about conservatives on the supreme court allowing voter surpression, etc.
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Old 27th June 2018, 07:01 PM   #405
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It's true. Everyone seems to be banking on the Mueller investigation, but I feel like this has been Trump's plan all along. He's done such terrible **** to so many different people that by the time this investigation is done, it will seem like child's play. There is absolutely no doubt that Trump has committed a myriad of white collar crimes. I just doubt he'll get pegged for any of it.
For the record, there's no doubt Trump is trying to discredit the Mueller investigation. Nixon lost that bet too.

Depends on the evidence, even with Trump. We aren't talking about grabbing pussy here. We are talking about money laundering, bribes and there might even be disdain for voters on Cohen's tapes.
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Old 27th June 2018, 07:03 PM   #406
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A little off topic, but I think it needs to be said:

While it is true that the supreme court limited the time available for recounts in florida, that doesn't necessarily mean they incorrectly made bush president.

In fact, post-election analysis has shown that either candidate could in theory have won had more time been given to do the recounts, depending on how the recount was done (recount of the entire state vs. only districts requested by Democrats, how spoiled ballots were counted, etc.)

https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/polit...ies/index.html

Now, I do agree with the other stuff you said... about conservatives on the supreme court allowing voter surpression, etc.
I'm not going to rehash that **** here except to say, the recount should have been statewide and both Gore and the SCOTUS got it wrong.

But the SCOTUS had no right intervening in the state election.
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Old 27th June 2018, 11:13 PM   #407
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As far as I know, Trump's approval ratings are up. As for the Mueller thing, it's been so built up that if he doesn't have incriminating audio, Trump's not going anywhere. Hell, the Access Hollywood wasn't enough. We already know about the Tower meeting, and people don't give a ****.
Access Hollywood has shown that incriminating audio isn't effective, it's need to be incriminating video IMO and even then 40% of the US electorate would claim that it had been faked and/or taken out of context

IMO at this stage, the only people who care about Mueller are those who are already anti President Trump.
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Old 28th June 2018, 01:42 AM   #408
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Manafort got a $10m loan from Oleg Deripaska

https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...21253447176192

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[...]For months I obsessed over Manafort, a man who is accustomed to making millions a year and has no history of volunteerism, working "for free" for Trump. I said it was suspicious as hell. Now we know Putin pal Oleg Deripaska "loaned" Manafort $10 million.

2/ Another Putin associate "loaned" Manafort *millions* on the *very day* he left Trump's campaign.

Can we just get this over with and say Trump's campaign manager was being paid by Putin, possibly *with Trump's knowledge*, to help Trump win the election with Russian assistance?

3/ America needs to know *exactly* why and how Manafort was hired "for free," and why Trump's campaign *lied about that repeatedly*.

And as I've threaded about several times in the past, the two men law enforcement needs to talk to on that subject are Mike Flynn and Tom Barrack.
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"Lover FBI Agent Peter Strzok was given poor marks on yesterday’s closed door testimony and, according to most reports, refused to answer many questions. There was no Collusion and the Witch Hunt, headed by 13 Angry Democrats and others who are totally conflicted, is Rigged!"


"Russia continues to say they had nothing to do with Meddling in our Election! Where is the DNC Server, and why didn’t Shady James Comey and the now disgraced FBI agents take and closely examine it? Why isn’t Hillary/Russia being looked at? So many questions, so much corruption!"
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Old 28th June 2018, 05:30 AM   #410
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Oh, well, if Russia say they didn't interfere in the election, then 100% of US intelligence agencies who have looked at the evidence must be wrong.
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: the Meuller investigation. It's too damn late. We're a wholly owned subsidiary of Russia.
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Old 28th June 2018, 05:43 AM   #412
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Oh, well, if Russia say they didn't interfere in the election, then 100% of US intelligence agencies who have looked at the evidence must be wrong.
Well obviously they are, after all the intelligence services are part of the Deep State undermining the Trump Presidency
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Trump Tweeted

"Peter Strzok worked as the leader of the Rigged Witch Hunt for a long period of time - he got it started and was only fired because the gig was up. But remember, he took his orders from Comey and McCabe and they took their orders from you know who. Mueller/Comey best friends!"

"When is Bob Mueller going to list his Conflicts of Interest? Why has it taken so long? Will they be listed at the top of his $22,000,000 Report...And what about the 13 Angry Democrats, will they list their conflicts with Crooked H? How many people will be sent to jail and......"

"....persecuted on old and/or totally unrelated charges (there was no collusion and there was no obstruction of the no collusion)...And what is going on in the FBI & DOJ with Crooked Hillary, the DNC and all of the lies? A disgraceful situation!"
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Trump Tweeted

"Peter Strzok worked as the leader of the Rigged Witch Hunt for a long period of time - he got it started and was only fired because the gig was up. But remember, he took his orders from Comey and McCabe and they took their orders from you know who. Mueller/Comey best friends!"

"When is Bob Mueller going to list his Conflicts of Interest? Why has it taken so long? Will they be listed at the top of his $22,000,000 Report...And what about the 13 Angry Democrats, will they list their conflicts with Crooked H? How many people will be sent to jail and......"

"....persecuted on old and/or totally unrelated charges (there was no collusion and there was no obstruction of the no collusion)...And what is going on in the FBI & DOJ with Crooked Hillary, the DNC and all of the lies? A disgraceful situation!"
Not that Trump's concerned in the slightest about the matter, of course. Perish the thought.
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"Persecuted" is an interesting choice of word. And it's not a typo on Captain_Swoop's part.
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Republicans. The Party of Law and Order, except when it's them being investigated for committing crimes, then it's all a witch hunt.
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A former aide to Roger Stone has been subpoenaed to appear before a grand jury
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Speaking of the party of law and order, wow, this Judiciary Committee hearing questioning Rosenstein and Wray is quite illustrative of the complete breakdown of law and order within a faction in the GOP.

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"Russia continues to say they had nothing to do with Meddling in our Election! Where is the DNC Server, and why didn’t Shady James Comey and the now disgraced FBI agents take and closely examine it? Why isn’t Hillary/Russia being looked at? So many questions, so much corruption!"
You don't get more deep state and corrupt than Putin.

He also confused "gig" and "jig."
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Old 28th June 2018, 10:33 AM   #420
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Issa and Gowdy are in heaven in this hearing reliving their failed Benghazi and emails hearings as if they are now vindicated. They still want to convict Clinton of something, anything.
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Old 28th June 2018, 10:36 AM   #421
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His motion will argue that Mr. Mueller’s appointment “was unconstitutional,” he said. Peter Flaherty, the chairman of the NLPC, said, “The founders feared exactly what we see in Mueller: a runaway federal official. We hope to see Mueller’s operation disbanded, once and for all.”
How many times are these morons going to try this and fail? Is this their only plan? Every right wing, Trump nut hugger that's trotted this stupid argument in court, has lost. Why do they keep trying?
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Old 28th June 2018, 10:37 AM   #422
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You don't get more deep state and corrupt than Putin.

He also confused "gig" and "jig."
Uh, Trump doesn't make mistakes. The people that need to know what it means will know what it means. #Covfefe
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Issa and Gowdy are in heaven in this hearing reliving their failed Benghazi and emails hearings as if they are now vindicated. They still want to convict Clinton of something, anything.
Funny(?) to hear Gowdy whine about how long the Trump investigation has been running.
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Funny(?) to hear Gowdy whine about how long the Trump investigation has been running.
Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
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It would seem no one knows who the 12 angry Democrats are or how Trump knows their political affiliation.

Rosenstein is a lousy witness, milquetoast comes to mind.

Raskin (Democrat) just brought up the length of the Benghazi 'investigation'. He's ripping into Gowdy's statements, turning his comments against the attacks on the FBI.
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"Did you threaten to subpoena phones and emails?" Jordan asked.

Rosenstein fired back "No sir, and there's no way to subpoena phone calls,"

RR? Buddy? He said "phones' and you can sure as **** subpoena a phone ya smart ass
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Republicans. The Party of Law and Order, except when it's them being investigated for committing crimes, then it's all a witch hunt.
Now that's not fair.

They also don't care about law and order if its a white supremacist committing a terrorist attack. After all, they're fine people.
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Raskin pointed out the GOP controls all three branches of government, calling the thwarting of Garland evidence the GOP controls the SCOTUS.

Jayapal just called the hearing a sham 'emergency' hearing.

She's the second Democrat to note the humanitarian crisis on the border matters when this hearing doesn't.

Rosenstein repeated the statement they know where all the kids are, Jayapal cut him off with specific case where the wrong kids were listed to a parent.
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Did any of them plead guilty to Russian collusion?
Actually, yes. This belonged in the Mueller thread, not the SCOTUS thread so I answered it here.

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Michael T. Flynn, a retired lieutenant general and Trump’s former national security advisor, pleads guilty to lying about his contacts with the Russian ambassador during the presidential transition. Flynn and the ambassador discussed sanctions imposed by the Obama administration in retaliation for Russia’s election interference....

Alex van der Zwaan, a former lawyer at a prestigious law firm, pleads guilty to lying to federal agents about his work with Manafort and Gates on a controversial report used to defend the former pro-Russian government of Ukraine against accusations that it had improperly prosecuted a political opponent....

Prosecutors tell a judge they began scrutinizing Manafort because they wanted to know if his longtime ties to Moscow provided a “back channel to Russia.” He has not been charged with any campaign-related crimes.
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Actually, yes. This belonged in the Mueller thread, not the SCOTUS thread so I answered it here.

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Actually, no. None of those are collusion charges.
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Actually, yes. This belonged in the Mueller thread, not the SCOTUS thread so I answered it here.

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Fail.

Flynn was caught with a process charge. He pled guilty to lying to the FBI. The meeting he allegedly lied about was perfectly legal, and could not have constituted collusion to affect the election since it happened after the election was over.

Zwaan pled guilty to charges that have nothing to do with the Trump campaign or the 2016 election.

Manafort hasn't pled guilty, and even if he had, your own source says "He has not been charged with any campaign-related crimes."
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My favorite part of a woo claim is when the claimant tries to support the claim with citations that contradict the claim.
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Actually, no. None of those are collusion charges.
There is no such crime as "Collusion" it's something that the Republicans created as a smoke screen. Conspiracy to commit election fraud, now that's a crime.
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My favorite part of a woo claim is when the claimant tries to support the claim with citations that contradict the claim.
My favorite part about people defending trump is when the defender pretends like getting charged with other serious crimes somehow exonerates them from others crimes just because they haven't been charged yet.

The dumbest **** I read on the internet is when people say, "He wasn't even charged with crimes related to the investigation." Who cares? He was charged with a crime.
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Fail.

Flynn was caught with a process charge. He pled guilty to lying to the FBI. The meeting he allegedly lied about was perfectly legal, and could not have constituted collusion to affect the election since it happened after the election was over.

Zwaan pled guilty to charges that have nothing to do with the Trump campaign or the 2016 election.

Manafort hasn't pled guilty, and even if he had, your own source says "He has not been charged with any campaign-related crimes."
You seem to have missed some details, like why Flynn and the others lied:
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Flynn and the [Russian] ambassador discussed sanctions imposed by the Obama admin...

Alex van der Zwaan ... about his work with Manafort and Gates on a controversial report used to defend the former pro-Russian government of Ukraine ...

... [prosecutors] began scrutinizing Manafort because they wanted to know if his longtime ties to Moscow provided a “back channel to Russia.
I can see why you are excluding those little details.
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Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Uh, Trump doesn't make mistakes. The people that need to know what it means will know what it means. #Covfefe
You and Trump are right; I am wrong. I would beg not to be sent to a re-education camp, but Dear Leader knows what's best.
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Old 28th June 2018, 04:23 PM   #437
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GOP has become the POP:Party of Putin.

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Old 28th June 2018, 04:25 PM   #438
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If there is nothing to hide, why are the Trump supporters here so scared of a investigation?
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Old 28th June 2018, 04:44 PM   #439
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
You seem to have missed some details, like why Flynn and the others lied:

I can see why you are excluding those little details.
LOL. Those were exactly the little details he pointed out in his rebuttal. Do you even read your own citations?
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Old 28th June 2018, 05:18 PM   #440
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My favorite part about people defending trump is when the defender pretends like getting charged with other serious crimes somehow exonerates them from others crimes just because they haven't been charged yet.

The dumbest **** I read on the internet is when people say, "He wasn't even charged with crimes related to the investigation." Who cares? He was charged with a crime.
I care. It does exonerate them for the other crimes.
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