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14th June 2018, 04:09 AM | #161 |
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If the senate and house don't change parties this fall, I fear that the nation will not be sufficiently strong to deal with Trump. The GOP are cementing their power with new voter surpression initiatives, and we know Trump's foreign masters are gearing up for more propaganda campaigns. There's also the fact that a substantial part of the US population get their information from a source that consistently lies to them, creating an alternative reality bubble for them to inhabit.
It's now or never. Either the Democrats wrest power back from those who stole it, or US democracy dies. Expecting a 'lol' from fascism-enablers on the forum. |
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14th June 2018, 07:26 AM | #162 |
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If people don't vote exactly the way I want them to vote, then democracy is DEAD. Just DEAD.
Fortunately we have a strong leader, one who is not above lying to extract REGIME CHANGE. We need a strong leader like Robert Mueller again.... |
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14th June 2018, 11:19 AM | #165 |
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Here is the opposition to Mueller's overreaching and silly request for a protective order.
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...pposition.html if you get the impression that they are being a bit derisive, you might be right |
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14th June 2018, 11:25 AM | #167 |
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14th June 2018, 11:48 AM | #169 |
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Bombshell: OIG Report Released Today Critical of FBI Russia Investigation
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14th June 2018, 12:02 PM | #171 |
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14th June 2018, 12:15 PM | #175 |
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Trump tweets
"Now that I am back from Singapore, where we had a great result with respect to North Korea, the thought process must sadly go back to the Witch Hunt, always remembering that there was No Collusion and No Obstruction of the fabricated No Crime." "So, the Democrats make up a phony crime, Collusion with the Russians, pay a fortune to make the crime sound real, illegally leak (Comey) classified information so that a Special Councel will be appointed, and then Collude to make this pile of garbage take on life in Fake News!" " |
14th June 2018, 12:24 PM | #176 |
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The OIG report released today is a nightmare for Mueller:
FBI Attorney 1 responded, “Is it making you rethink your commitment to the Trump administration?” FBI Attorney 2replied, “Hell no.” and then added, “Viva le resistance.” Both of these attorneys were assigned to Mueller's team.... |
14th June 2018, 12:32 PM | #177 |
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I'm not so sure. My thesis in College was how it could happen here. Hitler was elected. Putin was elected Erdogan was elected. Hugo Chavez was elected. The list goes on.
Taking democracy for granted seems to be the much larger danger. I everyday see rednecks waving the flag from the back of pickup trucks and yet they don't have a clue about the founding fathers and core principles. Checks and balances, the rule of law freedom of speech and press and to peacefully assemble and petition the government are what makes this country special. It's not the flag, God, mom or Apple pie. Civil and honest discourse is by far the most important ingredient. And yet this President and his supporters work to create a hostile environment to those principles. Trump is running the dictator's handbook. Disinformation, distrust and insanity. He thinks the government should work for him, not us. I wish everyone today would read George Orwell's 1984 as it is playing out in front of us in real life. |
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14th June 2018, 12:33 PM | #178 |
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For better or worse, "democracy" is not a simple, binary concept (you have it or you don't.) It is actually a range... the U.S. was considered a "democracy" for years even though women weren't allowed to vote. Its still a democracy even though you have gerrymandering and voter suppression.
While the U.S. may continue to exist as a "democracy" (or partial democracy) after Trump is gone from the scene, that doesn't mean that it hasn't been harmed. Even know, the U.S. is ranked as a "flawed democracy", and the type of things that have been done by Trump and the Republicans to harm democracy will probably take decades or years to overcome. (Just how long are we supposed to wait for all the anti-democratic actions done by the Republicans to be undone? One decade? Two?) I don't think its wrong to be upset that the country that had considered itself the "leader of the free world" is now considered a "flawed democracy". |
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14th June 2018, 12:35 PM | #179 |
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14th June 2018, 12:44 PM | #180 |
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On the Trump side, there were a lot of coffee boys in the top tier of the campaign.
On the FBI side, one agent got busted with private emails he hated Trump. I believe there were also a few that he hated Clinton, but I digress. Said FBI agent was immediately taken off the FBI investigation of Russian interference with the US election and any investigation Trump was in on it. That was over a year ago. In the meantime said Trump coffee boys have been indicted or pleaded guilty to various charges. Some are said to be giving Mueller incriminating evidence against others in the Trump campaign. We know some of them at a minimum lied to the FBI, suggesting they had something to lie about. In the meantime Trumpers bring out Strozk over and over and over as if he alone is the deep state. Can they point to a single thing Strozk influenced in the investigation? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone? |
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Another bombshell:
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14th June 2018, 03:22 PM | #187 |
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Overwhelming evidence of a psychiatric disorder dismissed as partisan politics.
Trying to dismiss legitimate criminal investigations by the FBI and the special prosecutor as partisan because one FBI agent didn't like Trump. Attacking anyone that criticizes Trump be it a Federal Judge or a state AG investigating a charity fraud as partisan. Trying to use the State Department to go after one's political enemies. Nuclear option in the Senate???? Puhleese. Exceeding Putin's wildest hopes, you got that part right, Trump is indeed the gift that keeps on giving. |
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One FBI agent? I like that the guy who was leading the investigation is referred to as "one agent" plus his gal pal, plus all the other ones quoted in the report today, five of which were referred to the FBI.
Just one guy fellas, don't worry about it. "we were particularly concerned about text messages sent by Strzok and Page that potentially indicated or created the appearance that investigative decisions they made were impacted by bias or improper considerations. Most of the text messages raising such questions pertained to the Russia investigation, and the implication in some of these text messages, particularly Strzok’s August 8 text message (“we’ll stop” candidate Trump from being elected), was that Strzok might be willing to take official action to impact a presidential candidate’s electoral prospects. Under these circumstances, we did not have confidence that Strzok’s decision to prioritize the Russia investigation over following up on the Midyear-related investigative lead discovered on the Weiner laptop was free from bias. "we'll stop" Trump. Which was sent a week after Crossfire Hurricane started by the top guy on the investigation. Sounds legit |
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In a Trump administration all loyalty by each and every government employee must be to Supreme Leader Trump first, foremost, and above all else. Loyalty to the U.S.A., it's laws, the precepts of democracy, or the requirements and responsibilities of that employee's job must come after that. Anything less is obviously part of a conspiracy to depose the Supreme Leader Trump. |
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14th June 2018, 09:01 PM | #195 |
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Or that they really didn't want it? The suggestion that they would be willing to actually take some action to try to prevent Trump from becoming President is, in fact, not a particularly telling one. Nor does it even so much as imply that any unlawful, unprofessional, or unethical behavior actually occurred.
As the report said, though, it is indeed distinctly possible that the checking of e-mails was not prioritized over concerns about Russian links to the Trump campaign in part because of bias, though, regardless of whether it would have been done the same way even without bias in play. That's really not the smoking gun that those like The Big Dog seem to want it to be, though. "Bias" seems to have become the right's "racism." Certainly an issue, but one that's frequently assumed or blown comically out of proportion whenever they feel like it, regardless of the truth of the matter. |
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15th June 2018, 02:16 AM | #198 |
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FWIW, WRT the Strzok prioritising Russia over Clinton thing: https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/...28186445828101
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15th June 2018, 02:22 AM | #199 |
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I think this is the dangerous "it can't happen here" mentality showing again. It can and is happening there. The party in power is openly cementing its power through various means. The US is rightfully sliding downwards on the democracy index. The ostrich mentality isn't going to work anymore.
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