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16th June 2018, 12:11 AM | #241 |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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16th June 2018, 02:56 AM | #242 |
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Cohen reportedly telling friends and family that he's ready to cooperate
Trump, meanwhile is claiming that he's not spoken to Cohen "in a long time". Soon we'll find out that Cohen was nothing more than a covfefe boy. |
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“If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago |
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16th June 2018, 07:24 AM | #246 |
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Rudy Giuliani tells @NYDailyNews "things might get cleaned up with some presidential pardons" when the "whole thing is over" in light of Paul Manafort being sent to jail.
Can't link to it as it's not available in Europe. But here is a link to a tweet with a link to the story https://twitter.com/C_Sommerfeldt/st...98249246003209 |
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16th June 2018, 07:42 AM | #248 |
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16th June 2018, 10:02 AM | #250 |
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Paul Manafort in jail, Michael Flynn guilty plea will go to prison, Rick Gates guilty plea will go to prison, Papadopoulos guilty plea, will go to prison, Michael Cohen will be arrested within days, Roger Stone will be arrested soon.
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Only the best covfefe boys.
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16th June 2018, 10:36 AM | #252 |
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No one in the news media has yet called Trump on this one:
Trump saying it was unfair to go back 12 years to get things on Manafort as if you get away with something for 12 years it is no longer a crime. |
16th June 2018, 11:33 AM | #253 |
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Yes, this kind of thing is one of the reasons that I think it is difficult to predict how this goes for Trump. ETA: Another issue here, I think, is that some of the crimes that Trump might be guilty of are the kind of crimes that partisans aren't all that opposed to. If Trump cheated or broke laws to win the election his supporters aren't going to be all that upset. They wanted him to win and he won. They're happy. I think this is an area where there is symmetry between Republican and Democratic voters. If at the end of this investigation all there is against Trump is strong evidence of direct campaign law violations I don't think the Republicans will vote to impeach him. |
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16th June 2018, 12:12 PM | #254 |
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So you don't expect they are uncovering tax fraud, money laundering, accepting bribes, and violating the Emoluments Clause? As for not touching Trump, if his kids are charged you know he'll pardon them and the GOP won't care.
Do comments like Trump complaining how unfair it was that the feds went back 12 years looking at Manafort's crimes make you wonder if that isn't because the whole Trump enterprise has been a criminal empire for decades? I don't expect the GOP legislators to impeach Trump no matter the crimes Mueller uncovers. They've already shown their hands repeating Trump's talking points about the immigration travesty. They've shown their hands through the House Intelligence Committee investigation, whitewashed by Nunes and allowed by Ryan. The right-wing was willing to pounce on Clinton (Bill) for a pretty minor perjury charge, lying about an affair. But you wait, despite what looks to be some serious crimes here, the GOP will look the other way. |
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I really don't know what the evidence against Trump is right now or for what crimes. I think Trump has routinely broken laws throughout his life in all kinds of ways. There are many issues as to whether this kind of stuff will lead to his being forced out of office. 1. As I mentioned above, crimes that were for the purpose of getting him elected will be largely excused by his supporters. Impeachment/forcing a president out of office is political and absolute proof of this kind of crimes might not be enough to lead to the forced removal of Trump from office. 2. Unequivocal proof of quid pro quo arrangements with the Russians would probably lead to the forced removal of Trump from office, but this kind of crime is difficult to prove in unequivocal ways and any wiggle room will be enough for Trump's supporters on this. 3. There may be evidence of Trump's cooperation with organized crime. This might be accepted by partisans as Trump just acting in the way that was necessary for the kind of business he was in. Not enough is known about this right now to make a very good guess IMO. 4. There probably is more evidence to come out of Trump's racist chit chat and Trump's misogynistic ways. A lot of Trump's supporters are mildly to strongly racist so this won't bother them all that much. More Trump racism will make it difficult for Fox News because advertisers who are trying to sell stuff to everybody won't subsidize Fox News support of a racist president. 5. Trump's relentless corruption with regard to the way he exploits the presidency to line his pockets is unlikely to do him in IMO. The Republicans have essentially acted to allow it. It is hardly any kind of crime if it is accepted by congress. He might lose some court decisions on this but they won't do him in IMO. 6. Trump seems to have violated some laws with regard to his willingness to do business with Ukrainian and Russian organized crime. I don't think enough is known publicly about this to make reasoned guesses as to how this might go. Cohen and potentially Manafort probably know what the extent of Trump's crimes are with regard to this. It may not be essential that either of them flips on Trump to do Trump in. There may be enough evidence on this with what was seized from Manafort and Cohen to do Trump in or possibly not. 7. Various income tax violations are another area where Trump might be at risk because most people don't honestly report their income from illegal activities. Again not enough information about this is public right now, but doing Trump in for income tax violations doesn't seem likely to me. ETA: I should have added his foundation BS to the list 8. Trump and his children are in trouble because of his foundation shenanigans. It will be embarrassing for Trump and dangling pardons can't help him because a state is prosecuting this. I don't expect this to do him in either though. He will try to pay some fines and end it. He will falsely claim it is a political prosecution (he's already doing that) and that will be enough for his supporters. While he is in office the state can't prosecute him anyway, but the prosecutions of his children will be interesting. |
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16th June 2018, 08:37 PM | #258 |
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Democrat supporters are upset because he won playing their dirty game. A traditional Republican cuck would've just taken a beating, but Trump punched back. He didn't collude with Russia, but if he had it's totally forgivable and OK. In fact, it would've been the patriotic thing to do. Better Putin than Clinton.
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...except for all the colluding he did with Russia.
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17th June 2018, 10:50 AM | #262 |
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Trump tweets.
When you read this imagine he is talking in his sleep. "WITCH HUNT! There was no Russian Collusion. Oh, I see, there was no Russian Collusion, so now they look for obstruction on the no Russian Collusion. The phony Russian Collusion was a made up Hoax. Too bad they didn’t look at Crooked Hillary like this. Double Standard!" |
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Recent revelations have made this Seth Abramson thread about the threatened leaks in October 2016 relevant again. There are new addenda at the end.
And this is relevant: https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...09338434768898
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Well, if what you say is true, the dumbass we've elected will definitely put it to the test. He's strained most alliances we have and seems to repeatedly claim that every single alliance and trade policy we have is bad for the US. Yet, over the previous 8 years we were doing significantly better with our economy and jobs outlook. Now, things are quite as bright. The threat of trade wars has made people hesitant, and this big blathering ******* can't seem to make an informed decision to save his life.
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He's talking about the FBI agents who leaked to Nunes and Giuliani, right?
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