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19th June 2018, 02:17 PM | #281 |
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FBI agent Peter Strzok escorted from building amid internal review
FBI counterintelligence agent Peter Strzok was escorted from the building amid an internal review of his conduct, his lawyer confirmed Tuesday. Strzok, who had a central role in the FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while serving as secretary of State, was reportedly escorted from the FBI building on Friday amid an internal review of his conduct. http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...ternal-review? |
19th June 2018, 03:01 PM | #282 |
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19th June 2018, 06:48 PM | #283 |
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Strzok is an idiot. He should've known enough to keep his political opinions private rather than plastering them all over the FBI servers. There's nothing wrong with criticising Trump, but it's outright dim to do so in such a blatant way in such a sensitive environment.
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20th June 2018, 01:46 AM | #284 |
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20th June 2018, 05:23 PM | #285 |
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20th June 2018, 05:30 PM | #286 |
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Trump just got made into his wife and daughter's bitch and every news network is saying he caved on the child separation policies. He's about to go crazy and that crazy will likely slew in the direction of the Russia Investigation. He may even fire Sessions for coming up with the child separation policy.
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20th June 2018, 06:26 PM | #288 |
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I'm sure they also don't want their president to go crazy but nothing can stop that now.
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21st June 2018, 12:52 AM | #291 |
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https://twitter.com/TheBeatWithAri/s...69007312228352
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21st June 2018, 09:54 AM | #292 |
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Well, it would be a rather bold move... Fire Sessions, publically state that its because he was behind the child separation policy (conveniently ignoring all the other Trumpsters that were involved), while privately saying "now I can end the Mueller investigation". Republican congresscritters can look the other way and pretend "oh, Sessions was fired for reasons unrelated to Russia", Trump gets a new AG that ends the investigation, and the republicans and Russians breath a sign of relief, happy in the knowledge that formal investigations into Russian influence into the election will end.
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22nd June 2018, 01:16 PM | #297 |
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If Donie jr has the nickname of Fredo,then Cohen might get the nickname of Frankie Pantangelli....
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22nd June 2018, 09:29 PM | #298 |
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Tangentially related to this... Republican attempt to hold Rod Rosenstein in contempt temporarily failed because they bungled their paperwork.
Incompetent. Incredible double standards. Scum. By the end of this, a whole bunch of the House Republicans honestly should be convicted of Obstruction of Justice, at the least, separate from anything else. |
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22nd June 2018, 09:43 PM | #299 |
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Keystone cops come to mind.
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Maybe I should be POTUS? My spelling is obviously up to the job.
I wasn't born in the US, although Dad did briefly hold a Green Card*. But I do have a very visible advantage over Obama as far as legitimacy is concerned in the view of Trump supporters. *Studying Agriculture in the UK, he did farm work in the US and the Netherlands. |
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"Poll numbers plummet on the Democrat inspired and paid for Russian Witch Hunt. With all of the bias, lying and hate by the investigators, people want the investigators investigated. Much more will come out. A total scam and excuse for the Dems losing the Election!" Then "The Russian Witch Hunt is Rigged!" |
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They (as in the GOP and the Trumpers) keep repeating the narrative that the investigation has gone on long enough. I know we've done some pushback on that, but not enough. The same way GOP legislators and pundits repeat the mantra, 'it's been long enough', Democratic legislators and pundits need to repeat the mantra, the Nixon investigation took longer.
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It is a problem. Truth is under constant assault. We have entered a new era here. Fox News the National Enquirer and other conservative media outlets are relentlessly propping up Trump without regard to truth. They have created a group of pro-Trump people that have deep unassailable confirmation biases that favor Trump. I don't think the long term consequences of this are knowable right now, but if Trump was younger or healthier he might be around long enough to destroy the American democracy. |
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23rd June 2018, 12:15 PM | #311 |
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Reality is nuanced and the truth is very often not simple, so often those that want to be truthful struggle with the inaccuracy "sound bites" require.
But Trump could be countered without dishonesty , why for instance aren't they all saying "Trump's latest lie..." that or "Trump's lying again" in all responses or "can't he ever be truthful/honest" |
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That's BS. Sound bites and effective narratives don't have to be dishonest. But the myth is common. Liberals just don't get it, marketing science works on both sides of the aisle.
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Nothing like this seems to matter any more. In the past, a real, unequivocal lie, was very damaging to a political career. People lied for sure, but maybe they made a mistake, maybe they misspoke, maybe they were misinterpreted, maybe they forgot, etc., but real unequivocal, obvious and categorical lying by politicians was unusual. Trump does it relentlessly and shamelessly. And his supporters don't seem to care. I might make too much of the Fox News situation, but without Fox News there would be no president Trump and without the relentless pandering to this president by Fox News the Republican Party would have stood up to Trump along time ago. We have entered an era where a powerful news organization and the POTUS are working synergisticly to mislead the public. It is scary to see how easy it is to make truth unimportant. |
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Unfortunately it's not BS. truth is nuanced, and saying "no" just repeats the lie. Saying that Trump lies, is met with "well all politicians lie".
Though I agree that simple messages are often missed. And yes, we have parallels this side of the pond as well and at least your opposition party isn't led by someone who is also stupid, antisemitic, incompetent, and ideologically committed to the main disastrous policy of the government, but for diametrically opposed (and utterly implausible and undesirable) reasons. |
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I hear this all the *********** time. And time and time again I cite examples of honest, effective talking points if only they were repeated as often as the GOP repeats theirs.
"All politicians lie" has worn off. Trust me, I'm a news junkie. Nuanced or not, so what? That doesn't mean a talking points campaign will never have influence. And as for the 'core', you don't aim messages at the core*. You aim them at the people who are still reasonably sane. (*Aiming messages to get the vote out notwithstanding.) |
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I didn't say low information voters listening to alt-right radio. That's Trump's base.
Your post is a perfect example of rejecting marketing for ... reasons. That's how we got Trump in the first place. Clinton did a poor job of rebutting the criticisms against her, and thought those complex policy solutions on her web page would carry the day. They didn't. |
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well because eventually people are going to get immune to baseless accusations and want a little more substance than just anti-Trump propaganda.
Like here, Mueller's "achievements" are looking worse with each passing day, a couple of bs plea deals that look like a set up. Like the Flynn deal. The consensus is growing is that there was a ton of monkey business with the FBI 302's and that McCabe (who actually lied repeatedly under oath) had a hand in it. Here take a look: https://saraacarter.com/what-happene...fbi-interview/ |
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