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Norman Alexander · 19th April 2023, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by Aridas

It is. The more they go crazy for the crazy base, of course, the more impetus that Independents and Democrats have to very firmly oppose them.

With that said, the pertinent warning is that whoever wins the Republican nomination will nigh inevitably have the force of the Republican riggers and propaganda machine behind them and are pretty much guaranteed to have a very real shot at winning the general election, no matter how insane or brazenly evil.

Now think on this: What if voting was mandatory, and these percentages held. That way, that 100% of Americans would be polled, not those who can or could be bothered voting. Both Trump and DeSantis would get just 5% of the whole US vote, which would hardly be enough to win a coconut at a state fair. They would be far, far distant losers.

The Republicans are relying on gerrymandering and ensuring as few voters as possible in a voluntary voting system. So it becomes a game of playing the margins for them. Appeal to those marginals, the rednecks and raving MAGAs, and they can tip the results. This effectively gives this tiny sliver of the US population WAY more impact than they deserve.

But take that "advantage" away by polling everyone and these shysters are almost permanently out of the picture. The marginals have the electoral impact they always should have had - nothing.

Gulliver Foyle · 19th April 2023, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by Aridas

This is a little tangential, but probably still of interest.

Poll: Trump's big post-indictment bounce is fading fast
The former president's lead over Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in the Republican primary has shrunk 10 points since late March.

Feels like that is nearly as predictable as the bounce was, really. May they both sink the party's prospects as a whole, though. Both are horrendously bad, after all.

Slightly off topic, but every time I see a photo or video of Trump doing his fist pump pseudo Hitler salute thing, he looks like a lost child looking for validation and comfort from an adult just standing off screen.

Gulliver Foyle · 19th April 2023, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by Aridas

It is. The more they go crazy for the crazy base, of course, the more impetus that Independents and Democrats have to very firmly oppose them.

With that said, the pertinent warning is that whoever wins the Republican nomination will nigh inevitably have the force of the Republican riggers and propaganda machine behind them and are pretty much guaranteed to have a very real shot at winning the general election, no matter how insane or brazenly evil.

Or how few people actually vote for them. Expect every single result in every single red state for the next general election to have the same truthfulness as the "referenda" Russia held in occupied Ukraine last October.

JoeMorgue · 19th April 2023, 05:33 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

This is a survey of Republicans. Both Trump and DeSantis are vying for about 30-odd% of Republicans each, with a big Don't Know factor.

They're Republicans. They have to be told what to think.

Agatha · 19th April 2023, 05:52 AM

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19th April 2023, 12:41 AM	#3641
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,941	Originally Posted by Aridas It is. The more they go crazy for the crazy base, of course, the more impetus that Independents and Democrats have to very firmly oppose them. With that said, the pertinent warning is that whoever wins the Republican nomination will nigh inevitably have the force of the Republican riggers and propaganda machine behind them and are pretty much guaranteed to have a very real shot at winning the general election, no matter how insane or brazenly evil. Now think on this: What if voting was mandatory, and these percentages held. That way, that 100% of Americans would be polled, not those who can or could be bothered voting. Both Trump and DeSantis would get just 5% of the whole US vote, which would hardly be enough to win a coconut at a state fair. They would be far, far distant losers. The Republicans are relying on gerrymandering and ensuring as few voters as possible in a voluntary voting system. So it becomes a game of playing the margins for them. Appeal to those marginals, the rednecks and raving MAGAs, and they can tip the results. This effectively gives this tiny sliver of the US population WAY more impact than they deserve. But take that "advantage" away by polling everyone and these shysters are almost permanently out of the picture. The marginals have the electoral impact they always should have had - nothing.
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19th April 2023, 05:33 AM	#3644
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 44,053	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander This is a survey of Republicans. Both Trump and DeSantis are vying for about 30-odd% of Republicans each, with a big Don't Know factor. They're Republicans. They have to be told what to think.
	__________________ "If everyone in the room says water is wet and I say it's dry that makes me smart because at least I'm thinking for myself!" - The Proudly Wrong.

19th April 2023, 04:29 AM	#3642
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,675	Originally Posted by Aridas This is a little tangential, but probably still of interest. Poll: Trump's big post-indictment bounce is fading fast The former president's lead over Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in the Republican primary has shrunk 10 points since late March. Feels like that is nearly as predictable as the bounce was, really. May they both sink the party's prospects as a whole, though. Both are horrendously bad, after all. Slightly off topic, but every time I see a photo or video of Trump doing his fist pump pseudo Hitler salute thing, he looks like a lost child looking for validation and comfort from an adult just standing off screen.

19th April 2023, 04:32 AM	#3643
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,675	Originally Posted by Aridas It is. The more they go crazy for the crazy base, of course, the more impetus that Independents and Democrats have to very firmly oppose them. With that said, the pertinent warning is that whoever wins the Republican nomination will nigh inevitably have the force of the Republican riggers and propaganda machine behind them and are pretty much guaranteed to have a very real shot at winning the general election, no matter how insane or brazenly evil. Or how few people actually vote for them. Expect every single result in every single red state for the next general election to have the same truthfulness as the "referenda" Russia held in occupied Ukraine last October.