Can the Dems retain the House Speaker??! - Page 15

Norman Alexander · 11th January 2023, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Susheel

Therein lies the rub. Exactly what in their body of work over the past so many years suggests to you that they want anything done?

Their body of work suggests basic religio-fascist tendencies and self-enrichment as their goals. Where they have gained power, this has been their focus. But working with "the opposition" for the common good or even just workable government? Not so much. Not that they are incapable, just that they simply and stubbornly don't want to, even if it might bring them kudos. The Taliban comparison is the most apt - childish pique and pouting.

sackett · 11th January 2023, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Their body of work suggests basic religio-fascist tendencies and self-enrichment as their goals. Where they have gained power, this has been their focus. But working with "the opposition" for the common good or even just workable government? Not so much. Not that they are incapable, just that they simply and stubbornly don't want to, even if it might bring them kudos. The Taliban comparison is the most apt - childish pique and pouting.

You left out spite. It's the blunt instrument of hatred, real ideological/religious hatred that lives on completely abstract -- hell, imaginary! -- grievances, far out of reach by any kind of reasoning.

I don't think minds like that can ever change. They can die out, however, and that's a good reason to be hopeful.

And in the meantime, alert and ready.

dudalb · 11th January 2023, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

That's an unfair comparison.... to Pétain!

Say what you like about him in World War Two, he at least showed intelligence and competence in the First World War.

He pretty much saved the French Armies from complete collapse after the mutinies of 1917.
But, yeah, In WW2 he went over to the dark side.
Although Laval was the real slimeball in Vichy.

dudalb · 11th January 2023, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Suddenly

The ultrawealthy donors are getting to the point where collapse could benefit them. Economic collapse would profit them in the sense that (1) they can buy more stuff and (2) they can fully transition us to a despotic oligarchy.

They will be almost totally insulated from the carnage of all this and they already have all the money. All that is left is to create a power vacuum to fill.

I think that is nonsense.
THis who idea that big business wants a economic collapse is pure conspriacy BS.
Just like the "SUperrich are behind Communism" crap you get fron the Birch Society.

Suddenly · 12th January 2023, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think that is nonsense.
THis who idea that big business wants a economic collapse is pure conspriacy BS.
Just like the "SUperrich are behind Communism" crap you get fron the Birch Society.

I didn't say big business or corporate America or whatever. I'm talking people like the Kochs and such that are actively dumping bushels of dark money into politics and who couldn't more clearly communicate contempt for democracy if they tried. You think they are worried that the DOW might drop 80% or something? They'll be fine and buying "distressed assets" by the bushel.

Call it a coincidence if it makes you feel better., but it's hard to take a step back and look at things like the militarization of the police, the gradual degradation of civil rights and privacy, the takeover of local press, the effective legalization of government corruption, and mysteriously funded fringe morons controlling congress by being willing to torch everything and not see that these things converge towards an outcome that is quite grim.

A significant mass of people are already calling for strongman rule. Even a taste of a massive depression will reveal just how many moderate Democrats when push come to shove will embrace fascism if they think it will salvage their 401Ks.

Sure, the plutocrats would rather things go as they are and they continue to accumulate and cement power without the economy collapsing or fully taking off the mask. The problem is that collapse serves that same goal.

Donal · 12th January 2023, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think that is nonsense.
THis who idea that big business wants a economic collapse is pure conspriacy BS.
Just like the "SUperrich are behind Communism" crap you get fron the Birch Society.

I don't know if "want" is the word here. I think more like "believe it's happening anyway and are trying to insulate themselves from it".

Despite how we are told they are super duper logical beings that will save us all and we must worship them for their innovation, they are just people. People who were raised within a bubble to believe the same nonsense they peddle to us. People who can be irrational, self-servicing, egotistical, and vulnerable to the same mindset that convinces some people that Alex Jones' soy-based brain pills will turn you into a genius.

Don't get me wrong, there are definitely some self-impressed, clearance-rack Bond villains out there. Peter Theil and Elon Musk as examples.

Trebuchet · 12th January 2023, 10:08 AM

Just saw McCarthy doing a press conference in which he said "Republicans will always protect Social Security and Medicare". What a Socialist!!

dudalb · 12th January 2023, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Donal

I don't know if "want" is the word here. I think more like "believe it's happening anyway and are trying to insulate themselves from it".

Despite how we are told they are super duper logical beings that will save us all and we must worship them for their innovation, they are just people. People who were raised within a bubble to believe the same nonsense they peddle to us. People who can be irrational, self-servicing, egotistical, and vulnerable to the same mindset that convinces some people that Alex Jones' soy-based brain pills will turn you into a genius.

Don't get me wrong, there are definitely some self-impressed, clearance-rack Bond villains out there. Peter Theil and Elon Musk as examples.

Well, as a villian, Musk seems to be a total bust.

dudalb · 12th January 2023, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Just saw McCarthy doing a press conference in which he said "Republicans will always protect Social Security and Medicare". What a Socialist!!

And I am sure he will be blasted for saying that by some of the crazies.
I think McCarthy is going wish he nevere took the job; it is going to be a living hell for him.

dudalb · 12th January 2023, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Donal

I don't know if "want" is the word here. I think more like "believe it's happening anyway and are trying to insulate themselves from it".

Despite how we are told they are super duper logical beings that will save us all and we must worship them for their innovation, they are just people. People who were raised within a bubble to believe the same nonsense they peddle to us. People who can be irrational, self-servicing, egotistical, and vulnerable to the same mindset that convinces some people that Alex Jones' soy-based brain pills will turn you into a genius.

Don't get me wrong, there are definitely some self-impressed, clearance-rack Bond villains out there. Peter Theil and Elon Musk as examples.

My poiny is a lot of business leaders are goint to let it be known a default is a very bad thing to let happen. In the past, I think that might have been a restraint on the crazies in the House, now I don;t know.

sackett · 12th January 2023, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

....I think McCarthy is going wish he nevere took the job; it is going to be a living hell for him.

We all hope so, of course. But I fear the SOB doesn't even have nerve endings.

dudalb · 12th January 2023, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by sackett

We all hope so, of course. But I fear the SOB doesn't even have nerve endings.

I think when he finds out he is not getting the kind of respect he thinks he should get the job will get very old very fast.The respect and prestige are two major reasons for wanting the job. he will get neither.

Norman Alexander · 12th January 2023, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think when he finds out he is not getting the kind of respect he thinks he should get the job will get very old very fast.The respect and prestige are two major reasons for wanting the job. he will get neither.

I think that as long as he HAS that job and the big gavel, he won't give a toss what other people think.

mgidm86 · 15th January 2023, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think...

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think...

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

I think...

That's the problem, he won't

Norman Alexander · 15th January 2023, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by mgidm86

That's the problem, he won't

Heh.

Problem is he WILL think, but only about how to keep the position for himself.

Stacyhs · 16th January 2023, 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Just saw McCarthy doing a press conference in which he said "Republicans will always protect Social Security and Medicare". What a Socialist!!

But what is his definition of 'protect'?

Many in the GOP have long wanted to cut "entitlement programs" including Social Security and Medicare.

Quote:

House Republicans are divided over cuts to Medicare and Social Security, setting up what could be a fierce internal clash over the future of the nation’s top safety net programs when Congress delves into budget fights later in the year.

Entitlements have long been a political third rail, but some in the GOP say everything is on the table and are eager to use upcoming debt ceiling negotiations to extract promises to reduce government spending, including entitlement funding.

That could pit the GOP’s staunchest deficit hawks against other conservatives who insist Medicare and Social Security will be left alone and the cuts will come from elsewhere.

With a narrow GOP majority, Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) can lose only four votes on any bill, and will have to find a way to placate the lawmakers calling for hard cuts.

Quote:

The Republicans’ cautious approach to entitlement programs this year represents a sharp contrast to the party’s position over recent decades, when GOP leaders have hammered Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid as socialist initiatives — inefficient and anti-American — that threaten individual freedoms.

Ronald Reagan, even before Medicare’s creation in 1965, warned of the existential dangers of “socialized medicine.” Former Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) wanted Medicare “to wither on the vine.” Former president George W. Bush privatized parts of Medicare, and sought to extend that push to Social Security. And former Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who had built his wonky reputation as chair of the Budget Committee, used that perch to propose annual budgets that ended traditional Medicare, turning it into a voucher program, and privatized Social Security.

Stacyhs · 21st January 2023, 02:10 AM

Former GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger on Charlie Sykes podcast re: Kevin the Spineless:

Quote:

"Kevin's a piece of ****. And let's just be honest about this, because he will say whatever you need to say to stay in power." --

"I'm not even saying that gratuitously to be mean to him. It's just a fact."

Donal · 24th January 2023, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

But what is his definition of 'protect'?

Many in the GOP have long wanted to cut "entitlement programs" including Social Security and Medicare.

They will "protect" it by privatizing it.

Tero · 25th January 2023, 03:50 PM

Kari has a suggestion for McCarthy to cut social security
http://karireport.blogspot.com/2023/...te-social.html

Stacyhs · 25th January 2023, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Tero

Kari has a suggestion for McCarthy to cut social security
http://karireport.blogspot.com/2023/...te-social.html

I can find nothing on Krazy Kari's blog claim in my searches.

The Don · 26th January 2023, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Tero

Kari has a suggestion for McCarthy to cut social security
http://karireport.blogspot.com/2023/...te-social.html

It would appear that even if it's true, he'd only be cutting his own personal Social Security, not that of any other recipient.

Tero · 26th January 2023, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

It would appear that even if it's true, he'd only be cutting his own personal Social Security, not that of any other recipient.

I asked Kari and he was trying to make McCarthy look dumb.

Stacyhs · 26th January 2023, 01:58 PM

There is still nothing confirming this claim by Krazy Kari Lake in the news media.

dudalb · 26th January 2023, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

There is still nothing confirming this claim by Krazy Kari Lake in the news media.

That's because Kari is pretty much old news; a washed up Politician going nowhere.
Trump will not choose her as VP for one reason: She is a loser.

Stacyhs · 26th January 2023, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

That's because Kari is pretty much old news; a washed up Politician going nowhere.
Trump will not choose her as VP for one reason: She is a loser.

Rumor is MTG wants VP. Can you imagine a Trump-MTG ticket?

Norman Alexander · 26th January 2023, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Tero

Kari has a suggestion for McCarthy to cut social security
http://karireport.blogspot.com/2023/...te-social.html

It was more than a suggestion. She said it was a fait accompli.

I wonder what colour the suns are on her planet...

Norman Alexander · 26th January 2023, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Rumor is MTG wants VP. Can you imagine a Trump-MTG ticket?

She should say she is for reelz. See how fast Donny swats her.

thaiboxerken · 27th January 2023, 04:28 PM

Trump is a pig and might entertain MTG as a running mate only after she auditions on the casting couch.

But he'd probably "audition" her and then tell her she isn't good enough anyway.

dudalb · 27th January 2023, 04:34 PM

The impossible happens;Trump said something that actually made sense; FOr the GOP to touch SOcial Security will be a political disaster for them.

Norman Alexander · 27th January 2023, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

The impossible happens;Trump said something his much smarter and street-wise minders told him to say that actually made sense; FOr the GOP to touch SOcial Security will be a political disaster for them.

Trump could not personally give one tiny, pudgy **** about social security.

Stacyhs · 27th January 2023, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Trump could not personally give one tiny, pudgy **** about social security.

No, he couldn't care less about SS. What he cares about is getting elected and for the GOP to keep/take control of Congress in 2024. Cutting SS would make that almost impossible.

Lurch · 28th January 2023, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Trump is a pig and might entertain MTG as a running mate only after she auditions on the casting couch.

But he'd probably "audition" her and then tell her she isn't good enough anyway.

Would the socks have to stay on?

Lurch · 28th January 2023, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

No, he couldn't care less about SS. What he cares about is getting elected and for the GOP to keep/take control of Congress in 2024. Cutting SS would make that almost impossible.

The sad part is having to use the word "alnost" here. In a sane Universe...

Stacyhs · 28th January 2023, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Lurch

Would the socks have to stay on?

No, but a gag in her mouth and a bag over her head wouldn't hurt.

Norman Alexander · Yesterday, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

No, but a gag in her mouth and a bag over her head wouldn't hurt.

She's the sort of stupid contrarian who would read "This plastic bag is not a toy - do not put it over your head" as an affront and a challenge.

Stacyhs · Yesterday, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

She's the sort of stupid contrarian who would read "This plastic bag is not a toy - do not put it over your head" as ~~an affront and a challenge~~ an attempt to take her personal freedoms away.

FTFY

Norman Alexander · Yesterday, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

She's the sort of stupid contrarian who would read "This plastic bag is not a toy - do not put it over your head" as ~~an affront and a challenge~~ an attempt to take her personal freedoms away.

FTFY

Heh!

It's both.

The Don · Yesterday, 11:16 PM

Seems like McCarthy is keeping the loonies in line so far. Maybe he's a better politician than I gave him credit for

Norman Alexander · Yesterday, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

Seems like McCarthy is keeping the loonies in line so far. Maybe he's a better politician than I gave him credit for

They haven't tried anything stupid...yet. Have any of the committees met? If so, have any of the loonies been allowed stand up to rant their nonsense?

Senator Joe McCarthy at least had intelligence on his side, even if he had all the same hallmarks of these current goons.

Quote:

McCarthyism is the practice of making false or unfounded accusations of subversion and treason, especially when related to anarchism, communism and socialism, and especially when done in a public and attention-grabbing manner.

The term originally referred to the controversial practices and policies of U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy and covers the period of the late 1940s through the 1950s. It was characterized by heightened political repression and persecution of left-wing individuals, and a campaign spreading fear of alleged communist and socialist influence on American institutions and of espionage by Soviet agents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

The Don · Today, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

They haven't tried anything stupid...yet. Have any of the committees met? If so, have any of the loonies been allowed stand up to rant their nonsense?

Senator Joe McCarthy at least had intelligence on his side, even if he had all the same hallmarks of these current goons.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

They tried to introduce the "Fair Tax" bill and that's been kicked into the long grass.

If they had the courage of their convictions, then the loonies could have introduced a speaker vote but they didn't. Seems that McCarthy assessed that their threats were empty and so far he's been proved right.

11th January 2023, 11:52 AM	#561
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,622	Originally Posted by Susheel Therein lies the rub. Exactly what in their body of work over the past so many years suggests to you that they want anything done? Their body of work suggests basic religio-fascist tendencies and self-enrichment as their goals. Where they have gained power, this has been their focus. But working with "the opposition" for the common good or even just workable government? Not so much. Not that they are incapable, just that they simply and stubbornly don't want to, even if it might bring them kudos. The Taliban comparison is the most apt - childish pique and pouting.
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

11th January 2023, 12:10 PM	#562
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 8,160	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Their body of work suggests basic religio-fascist tendencies and self-enrichment as their goals. Where they have gained power, this has been their focus. But working with "the opposition" for the common good or even just workable government? Not so much. Not that they are incapable, just that they simply and stubbornly don't want to, even if it might bring them kudos. The Taliban comparison is the most apt - childish pique and pouting. You left out spite. It's the blunt instrument of hatred, real ideological/religious hatred that lives on completely abstract -- hell, imaginary! -- grievances, far out of reach by any kind of reasoning. I don't think minds like that can ever change. They can die out, however, and that's a good reason to be hopeful. And in the meantime, alert and ready.
	__________________ If you would learn a man's character, give him authority. If you would ruin a man's character, let him seize power.

11th January 2023, 02:15 PM	#563
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	Originally Posted by angrysoba That's an unfair comparison.... to Pétain! Say what you like about him in World War Two, he at least showed intelligence and competence in the First World War. He pretty much saved the French Armies from complete collapse after the mutinies of 1917. But, yeah, In WW2 he went over to the dark side. Although Laval was the real slimeball in Vichy.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

11th January 2023, 02:18 PM	#564
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	Originally Posted by Suddenly The ultrawealthy donors are getting to the point where collapse could benefit them. Economic collapse would profit them in the sense that (1) they can buy more stuff and (2) they can fully transition us to a despotic oligarchy. They will be almost totally insulated from the carnage of all this and they already have all the money. All that is left is to create a power vacuum to fill. I think that is nonsense. THis who idea that big business wants a economic collapse is pure conspriacy BS. Just like the "SUperrich are behind Communism" crap you get fron the Birch Society.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

12th January 2023, 08:24 AM	#565
Suddenly No Punting Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Not In Follansbee Posts: 5,314	Originally Posted by dudalb I think that is nonsense. THis who idea that big business wants a economic collapse is pure conspriacy BS. Just like the "SUperrich are behind Communism" crap you get fron the Birch Society. I didn't say big business or corporate America or whatever. I'm talking people like the Kochs and such that are actively dumping bushels of dark money into politics and who couldn't more clearly communicate contempt for democracy if they tried. You think they are worried that the DOW might drop 80% or something? They'll be fine and buying "distressed assets" by the bushel. Call it a coincidence if it makes you feel better., but it's hard to take a step back and look at things like the militarization of the police, the gradual degradation of civil rights and privacy, the takeover of local press, the effective legalization of government corruption, and mysteriously funded fringe morons controlling congress by being willing to torch everything and not see that these things converge towards an outcome that is quite grim. A significant mass of people are already calling for strongman rule. Even a taste of a massive depression will reveal just how many moderate Democrats when push come to shove will embrace fascism if they think it will salvage their 401Ks. Sure, the plutocrats would rather things go as they are and they continue to accumulate and cement power without the economy collapsing or fully taking off the mask. The problem is that collapse serves that same goal.
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12th January 2023, 09:05 AM	#566
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,229	Originally Posted by dudalb I think that is nonsense. THis who idea that big business wants a economic collapse is pure conspriacy BS. Just like the "SUperrich are behind Communism" crap you get fron the Birch Society. I don't know if "want" is the word here. I think more like "believe it's happening anyway and are trying to insulate themselves from it". Despite how we are told they are super duper logical beings that will save us all and we must worship them for their innovation, they are just people. People who were raised within a bubble to believe the same nonsense they peddle to us. People who can be irrational, self-servicing, egotistical, and vulnerable to the same mindset that convinces some people that Alex Jones' soy-based brain pills will turn you into a genius. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely some self-impressed, clearance-rack Bond villains out there. Peter Theil and Elon Musk as examples.
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12th January 2023, 10:08 AM	#567
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 35,638	Just saw McCarthy doing a press conference in which he said "Republicans will always protect Social Security and Medicare". What a Socialist!!
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12th January 2023, 03:32 PM	#568
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	Originally Posted by Donal I don't know if "want" is the word here. I think more like "believe it's happening anyway and are trying to insulate themselves from it". Despite how we are told they are super duper logical beings that will save us all and we must worship them for their innovation, they are just people. People who were raised within a bubble to believe the same nonsense they peddle to us. People who can be irrational, self-servicing, egotistical, and vulnerable to the same mindset that convinces some people that Alex Jones' soy-based brain pills will turn you into a genius. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely some self-impressed, clearance-rack Bond villains out there. Peter Theil and Elon Musk as examples. Well, as a villian, Musk seems to be a total bust.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

12th January 2023, 03:34 PM	#569
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Just saw McCarthy doing a press conference in which he said "Republicans will always protect Social Security and Medicare". What a Socialist!! And I am sure he will be blasted for saying that by some of the crazies. I think McCarthy is going wish he nevere took the job; it is going to be a living hell for him.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

12th January 2023, 03:36 PM	#570
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	Originally Posted by Donal I don't know if "want" is the word here. I think more like "believe it's happening anyway and are trying to insulate themselves from it". Despite how we are told they are super duper logical beings that will save us all and we must worship them for their innovation, they are just people. People who were raised within a bubble to believe the same nonsense they peddle to us. People who can be irrational, self-servicing, egotistical, and vulnerable to the same mindset that convinces some people that Alex Jones' soy-based brain pills will turn you into a genius. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely some self-impressed, clearance-rack Bond villains out there. Peter Theil and Elon Musk as examples. My poiny is a lot of business leaders are goint to let it be known a default is a very bad thing to let happen. In the past, I think that might have been a restraint on the crazies in the House, now I don;t know.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

12th January 2023, 04:10 PM	#571
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 8,160	Originally Posted by dudalb ....I think McCarthy is going wish he nevere took the job; it is going to be a living hell for him. We all hope so, of course. But I fear the SOB doesn't even have nerve endings.
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12th January 2023, 04:30 PM	#572
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	Originally Posted by sackett We all hope so, of course. But I fear the SOB doesn't even have nerve endings. I think when he finds out he is not getting the kind of respect he thinks he should get the job will get very old very fast.The respect and prestige are two major reasons for wanting the job. he will get neither.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

12th January 2023, 06:42 PM	#573
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,622	Originally Posted by dudalb I think when he finds out he is not getting the kind of respect he thinks he should get the job will get very old very fast.The respect and prestige are two major reasons for wanting the job. he will get neither. I think that as long as he HAS that job and the big gavel, he won't give a toss what other people think.
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15th January 2023, 04:47 PM	#574
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,471	Originally Posted by dudalb I think... Originally Posted by dudalb I think... Originally Posted by Norman Alexander I think... That's the problem, he won't
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15th January 2023, 10:32 PM	#575
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,622	Originally Posted by mgidm86 That's the problem, he won't Heh. Problem is he WILL think, but only about how to keep the position for himself.
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16th January 2023, 03:42 AM	#576
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Just saw McCarthy doing a press conference in which he said "Republicans will always protect Social Security and Medicare". What a Socialist!! But what is his definition of 'protect'? Many in the GOP have long wanted to cut "entitlement programs" including Social Security and Medicare. Quote: House Republicans are divided over cuts to Medicare and Social Security, setting up what could be a fierce internal clash over the future of the nation’s top safety net programs when Congress delves into budget fights later in the year. Entitlements have long been a political third rail, but some in the GOP say everything is on the table and are eager to use upcoming debt ceiling negotiations to extract promises to reduce government spending, including entitlement funding. That could pit the GOP’s staunchest deficit hawks against other conservatives who insist Medicare and Social Security will be left alone and the cuts will come from elsewhere. With a narrow GOP majority, Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) can lose only four votes on any bill, and will have to find a way to placate the lawmakers calling for hard cuts. Quote: The Republicans’ cautious approach to entitlement programs this year represents a sharp contrast to the party’s position over recent decades, when GOP leaders have hammered Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid as socialist initiatives — inefficient and anti-American — that threaten individual freedoms. Ronald Reagan, even before Medicare’s creation in 1965, warned of the existential dangers of “socialized medicine.” Former Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) wanted Medicare “to wither on the vine.” Former president George W. Bush privatized parts of Medicare, and sought to extend that push to Social Security. And former Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who had built his wonky reputation as chair of the Budget Committee, used that perch to propose annual budgets that ended traditional Medicare, turning it into a voucher program, and privatized Social Security.

21st January 2023, 02:10 AM	#577
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	Former GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger on Charlie Sykes podcast re: Kevin the Spineless: Quote: "Kevin's a piece of ****. And let's just be honest about this, because he will say whatever you need to say to stay in power." -- "I'm not even saying that gratuitously to be mean to him. It's just a fact."

24th January 2023, 08:45 AM	#578
Donal Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,229	Originally Posted by Stacyhs But what is his definition of 'protect'? Many in the GOP have long wanted to cut "entitlement programs" including Social Security and Medicare. They will "protect" it by privatizing it.
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25th January 2023, 03:50 PM	#579
Tero Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 2,924	Kari has a suggestion for McCarthy to cut social security http://karireport.blogspot.com/2023/...te-social.html
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25th January 2023, 06:37 PM	#580
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	Originally Posted by Tero Kari has a suggestion for McCarthy to cut social security http://karireport.blogspot.com/2023/...te-social.html I can find nothing on Krazy Kari's blog claim in my searches.

26th January 2023, 03:47 AM	#581
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 35,968	Originally Posted by Tero Kari has a suggestion for McCarthy to cut social security http://karireport.blogspot.com/2023/...te-social.html It would appear that even if it's true, he'd only be cutting his own personal Social Security, not that of any other recipient.

26th January 2023, 05:44 AM	#582
Tero Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 2,924	Originally Posted by The Don It would appear that even if it's true, he'd only be cutting his own personal Social Security, not that of any other recipient. I asked Kari and he was trying to make McCarthy look dumb.
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26th January 2023, 01:58 PM	#583
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	There is still nothing confirming this claim by Krazy Kari Lake in the news media.

26th January 2023, 02:05 PM	#584
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	Originally Posted by Stacyhs There is still nothing confirming this claim by Krazy Kari Lake in the news media. That's because Kari is pretty much old news; a washed up Politician going nowhere. Trump will not choose her as VP for one reason: She is a loser.
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26th January 2023, 02:30 PM	#585
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	Originally Posted by dudalb That's because Kari is pretty much old news; a washed up Politician going nowhere. Trump will not choose her as VP for one reason: She is a loser. Rumor is MTG wants VP. Can you imagine a Trump-MTG ticket?

26th January 2023, 03:41 PM	#586
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,622	Originally Posted by Tero Kari has a suggestion for McCarthy to cut social security http://karireport.blogspot.com/2023/...te-social.html It was more than a suggestion. She said it was a fait accompli. I wonder what colour the suns are on her planet...
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26th January 2023, 03:43 PM	#587
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,622	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Rumor is MTG wants VP. Can you imagine a Trump-MTG ticket? She should say she is for reelz. See how fast Donny swats her.
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27th January 2023, 04:28 PM	#588
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 32,473	Trump is a pig and might entertain MTG as a running mate only after she auditions on the casting couch. But he'd probably "audition" her and then tell her she isn't good enough anyway.
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27th January 2023, 04:34 PM	#589
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	The impossible happens;Trump said something that actually made sense; FOr the GOP to touch SOcial Security will be a political disaster for them.
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27th January 2023, 05:37 PM	#590
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,622	Originally Posted by dudalb The impossible happens;Trump said something his much smarter and street-wise minders told him to say that actually made sense; FOr the GOP to touch SOcial Security will be a political disaster for them. Trump could not personally give one tiny, pudgy **** about social security.
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27th January 2023, 06:34 PM	#591
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Trump could not personally give one tiny, pudgy **** about social security. No, he couldn't care less about SS. What he cares about is getting elected and for the GOP to keep/take control of Congress in 2024. Cutting SS would make that almost impossible.

28th January 2023, 06:29 AM	#592
Lurch Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,318	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Trump is a pig and might entertain MTG as a running mate only after she auditions on the casting couch. But he'd probably "audition" her and then tell her she isn't good enough anyway. Would the socks have to stay on?

28th January 2023, 06:31 AM	#593
Lurch Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,318	Originally Posted by Stacyhs No, he couldn't care less about SS. What he cares about is getting elected and for the GOP to keep/take control of Congress in 2024. Cutting SS would make that almost impossible. The sad part is having to use the word "alnost" here. In a sane Universe...

28th January 2023, 02:28 PM	#594
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,611	Originally Posted by Lurch Would the socks have to stay on? No, but a gag in her mouth and a bag over her head wouldn't hurt.

Yesterday, 04:46 AM	#595
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,622	Originally Posted by Stacyhs No, but a gag in her mouth and a bag over her head wouldn't hurt. She's the sort of stupid contrarian who would read "This plastic bag is not a toy - do not put it over your head" as an affront and a challenge.
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