Criminal Charges Against Trump

[TheGoldcountry]

Jesus, he's got the mind of a child. "I'm gonna beat yous all up for being mean to me!"

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry

Jesus, he's got the mind of a child. "I'm gonna beat yous all up for being mean to me!"

He really is emotionally a child. He uses bullying threats just like on the school playground. He reminds me of Scut Farkus in A Christmas Story.

[Norman Alexander]

More from the E. Jean Carroll rape trial on this:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

More stupidity from Trump's deposition from Carroll's lawsuit:

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Trump, in newly released deposition, explains what he meant by 'swooned her': 'It's a nicer word than the word that starts with an F'

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"What does 'swooned her' mean?" Kaplan asked the former president in one exchange.

Trump responded: "That would be a word, maybe accurate or not, having to do with talking to her and talking her — to do an act that she said happened, which didn't happen. And it's a nicer word than the word that starts with an F, and this would be word that I used because I thought it would be inappropriate to use the other word. And it didn't happen."

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Merriam-Webster defines the verb "swoon" as to "faint" or "to become enraptured." In the deposition, Kaplan noted a similar definition, asking: "That's not what you meant here?"

"Well," Trump said, "sort of that's what she said I did to her. She fainted with great emotion. She actually indicated that she loved it. Okay? She loved it until commercial break. In fact, I think she said it was sexy, didn't she? She said it was very sexy to be raped. Didn't she say that?"

In fact, Carroll did not say she enjoyed the former president's alleged assault or that she herself viewed rape as "sexy."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...awsuit-nut-job

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The New York court on Friday also rejected as “absurd” Trump’s attempt to have dismissed the two lawsuits against him by Carroll, alleging rape and libel. An April trial is planned.

“She said that I did something to her that never took place. There was no anything. I know nothing about this nut job,” he said, according to the transcript of the October testimony.

The excerpts reveal a contentious battle in the civil case, between Trump and Roberta Kaplan, a lawyer for Carroll, who questioned him as Trump called Carroll, a former longtime Elle magazine columnist, the perpetrator of “a complete scam.”

He accused her of describing the alleged rape as she “was promoting a really crummy book”.

Trump added: “I will sue her after this is over, and that’s the thing I really look forward to doing. And I’ll sue you too,” he told Kaplan.

And their little dog too, Donny??

[Ladewig]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Trump then ranted at Carroll's attorney:

And I’ll sue you too because this is — how many cases do you have? Many, many cases, and I know the statements that were made — that you made. Keep Trump busy because this is the way you defeat him, to keep him busy with litigation.

Accusing others of trying to defeat him by keeping him busy with litigation.
Every accusation is a confession.

[mgidm86]

"Sexy to be raped"? Is he admitting she was raped? Or does she tell everyone she thinks rape is sexy?

[Regnad Kcin]

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"Well," Trump said, "sort of that's what she said I did to her. She fainted with great emotion. She actually indicated that she loved it. Okay? She loved it until commercial break. In fact, I think she said it was sexy, didn't she? She said it was very sexy to be raped. Didn't she say that?"

“When you’re a star they let you do it.”

[Fast Eddie B]

Originally Posted by mgidm86

"Sexy to be raped"? Is he admitting she was raped? Or does she tell everyone she thinks rape is sexy?

Neither. He misinterpreted a reply she made in an interview:

The former president appeared to twist Carroll’s comments from a June, 2019 interview with CNN anchor Anderson Cooper, in which she said rape is a “fantasy” for many people. “I think most people think of rape as being sexy,” she told Cooper.

Trump cited the interview in telling Kaplan that Carroll “loved” sexual assault.

“She actually indicated that she loved it. Okay?” Trump said. “In fact, I think she said it was sexy, didn’t she? She said it was very sexy to be raped.”

Kaplan then asked: “So, sir, I just want to confirm:· It’s your testimony that E. Jean Carroll said that she loved being sexually assaulted by you?”

And Trump answered: “Well, based on her interview with Anderson Cooper, I believe that’s what took place.”

[mgidm86]

Wow okay thanks. Jeebus.

[Segnosaur]

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

More from the E. Jean Carroll rape trial on this:

Ok, does anyone else find it strange that he would both claim he didn't assault her, wasn't her type, she was 'crazy', etc., but somehow he also had such deep discussions with her that he new her sexual preferences?

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Ok, does anyone else find it strange that he would both claim he didn't assault her, wasn't her type, she was 'crazy', etc., but somehow he also had such deep discussions with her that he new her sexual preferences?

Not at all. Donald Trump often says several, mutually contradictory, things in a single sentence. His supporters take whatever they want from the buffet of lies and forget the rest.

It's a bit like a (bad) cold reading, he'll just say things until his interlocutor seems to agree with him - unless they don't in which case they're losers.

[Fast Eddie B]

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Ok, does anyone else find it strange that he would both claim he didn't assault her, wasn't her type, she was 'crazy', etc., but somehow he also had such deep discussions with her that he new her sexual preferences?

His communication style is aggravatingly vague.

In this case, I think he was just referring to that comment she made in tha Anderson Cooper interview, to wit: "...she said rape is a “fantasy” for many people. “I think most people think of rape as being sexy.”

She clearly said she thought "most people" thought that, not that she did.

[Regnad Kcin]

I would just like to interject: just because Carroll is taking Trump to task doesn’t mean she gets my full support. Believing some significant percentage of people, let alone most, think rape is “sexy” is inane.

[Aridas]

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

I would just like to interject: just because Carroll is taking Trump to task doesn’t mean she gets my full support. Believing some significant percentage of people, let alone most, think rape is “sexy” is inane.

If I recall correctly, the quote was "many people" and well, personally, I find nothing to disagree with when it comes to what she actually said.

The concept of power being an aphrodisiac isn't remotely a new one, though, I think. Similarly, it's probably important to remember that biological instincts aren't driven by moral considerations. It's entirely possible for a person to be thoroughly opposed to rape in reality, but still find it to be arousing in imaginary scenarios. From my personal experience, for example, though, eye-rollingly much gay erotica has questionable consent or worse themes in them. I figure that it's also worth poking at societal reactions to a guy getting raped by a "hot" woman. By what I've heard, there tends to be a remarkable amount of envy and generally not taking it seriously as a reaction rather than sympathy, and that's one of the factors that drives lower reporting.

[Stacyhs]

Rape fantasies are much like men who enjoy bondage/dominatrix role playing: they are never in any real danger and it's with their consent. It's more about power...but safe power.

[mgidm86]

He just talks and talks, whatever comes out.

I met some guy on the street one day. He asked me if I knew about Area 51. I said ominously, "Yes, but have you ever been to Area 52?"

He immediately said "yes" and went on talking about it.

That's Trump. It doesn't seem to be something he even thinks about, the bullcrap just flows without hesitation. A very sick man.

[Silly Green Monkey]

But did he know it was a goblin town in Netherstorm??

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally Posted by Aridas

If I recall correctly, the quote was "many people" and well, personally, I find nothing to disagree with when it comes to what she actually said.

In post 1927 above:

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The former president appeared to twist Carroll’s comments from a June, 2019 interview with CNN anchor Anderson Cooper, in which she said rape is a “fantasy” for many people. “I think most people think of rape as being sexy,” she told Cooper.

[Aridas]

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

In post 1927 above:

I accept the correction. Thank you.

[Norman Alexander]

Originally Posted by mgidm86

He just talks and talks, whatever comes out.

I met some guy on the street one day. He asked me if I knew about Area 51. I said ominously, "Yes, but have you ever been to Area 52?"

He immediately said "yes" and went on talking about it.

That's Trump. It doesn't seem to be something he even thinks about, the bullcrap just flows without hesitation. A very sick man.

Absolutely. If he was your crazy uncle whom you don't invite to family parties because he shamelessly drops trou and does this sort of free-form bull-******** in public with everyone around, you would have him committed forthwith. But because Trump is somehow immune because he has been on TV (or whatever), he gets a free pass every time. Madness^2.

[Segnosaur]

Even more from the E. Jean Carroll sexual assault trial:

From: The Guardian
Donald Trump mistook E Jean Carroll, the writer who accuses him of rape, for his ex-wife Marla Maples during a deposition in the case last year...“That’s Marla, yeah,” Trump said, when shown a photograph.

This does 2 things....

- It sort of debunks his defense that she "wasn't his type"

- It might be evidence of further mental decline, if he mistakes someone for a person he was married to for years.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Even more from the E. Jean Carroll sexual assault trial:

From: The Guardian
Donald Trump mistook E Jean Carroll, the writer who accuses him of rape, for his ex-wife Marla Maples during a deposition in the case last year...“That’s Marla, yeah,” Trump said, when shown a photograph.

This does 2 things....

- It sort of debunks his defense that she "wasn't his type"

- It might be evidence of further mental decline, if he mistakes someone for a person he was married to for years.

Carroll also claims the rape took place in the mid-1990's, during which time Trump was married to Maples (1993-1999). Maybe he just mistook Carroll for Maples in the dressing room!

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally Posted by Aridas

I accept the correction. Thank you.

Your servant, sir.

[Galaxie]

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Even more from the E. Jean Carroll sexual assault trial:

From: The Guardian
Donald Trump mistook E Jean Carroll, the writer who accuses him of rape, for his ex-wife Marla Maples during a deposition in the case last year...“That’s Marla, yeah,” Trump said, when shown a photograph.

This does 2 things....

- It sort of debunks his defense that she "wasn't his type"

- It might be evidence of further mental decline, if he mistakes someone for a person he was married to for years.

3) It proves again that Trump needs glasses (but he's too vain to do so)

[mgidm86]

Originally Posted by Galaxie

3) It proves again that Trump needs glasses (but he's too vain to do so)

Funny that a man who is orange (except his pink eyes), wears bad suits and has hair that looks like his can be called vain.

[Segnosaur]

Originally Posted by Galaxie

3) It proves again that Trump needs glasses (but he's too vain to do so)

We have seen pictures of Trump wearing glasses so we know he does wear them on occasion. It is quite possible that in a closed door deposition he may have already been wearing them when looking at the picture.

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[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

We have seen pictures of Trump wearing glasses so we know he does wear them on occasion. It is quite possible that in a closed door deposition he may have already been wearing them when looking at the picture.

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He once tried to get out of reading something he was asked to by a lawyer during a deposition in 2016 by claiming he didn't have his glasses with him.

But.......

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

He once tried to get out of reading something he was asked to by a lawyer during a deposition in 2016 by claiming he didn't have his glasses with him.

But.......



http://www.internationalskeptics.com...baab144e4e.jpg

It's always fun listening to him under oath, according to his testimony he does nothing in his businesses he has people to do things and he simply signs where he is told to sign.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Darat

It's always fun listening to him under oath, according to his testimony he does nothing in his businesses he has people to do things and he simply signs where he is told to sign.

He's like Sgt. Shultz: I know nothing! Nothiiiiiiiing!

Yet, according to his ex-personal attorney and self-admitted Trump dirty dealings manager for ten years, Michael Cohen, Trump knew everything that went on. He just made sure no one could prove it.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

He's like Sgt. Shultz: I know nothing! Nothiiiiiiiing!

Yet, according to his ex-personal attorney and self-admitted Trump dirty dealings manager for ten years, Michael Cohen, Trump knew everything that went on. He just made sure no one could prove it.

I think that is rather obviously not the case, I mean would Trump ever lie and especially under oath?

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Darat

I think that is rather obviously not the case, I mean would Trump ever lie and especially under oath?

Well, ya got me there......

[Segnosaur]

Annnnd... its back in play.

From: The Hill
The Manhattan district attorney is escalating his criminal investigation into former President Trump by showing a grand jury evidence about hush money paid to an adult-film star just before the 2016 presidential election...the case could hinge on prosecutors showing that Trump and his company falsified records to hide the hush money payment from voters...

(I posted about this earlier back in post 1852. This seems to be an actual sign of action in the case, involving a grand jury and various witnesses.)

As I mentioned before, still not sure why the renewed interest in this case (when there are still plenty of financial crimes that seemed to be further along in the investigation.)

And of course you have the case in Georgia:

From: Reuters
A Georgia prosecutor investigating Donald Trump's efforts to overturn his defeat in the state's 2020 presidential election told a judge on Tuesday that decisions on whether to bring criminal charges are "imminent." Fani Willis...urged county Superior Court Judge Robert McBurney to keep the report secret for now, warning that future defendants could argue that unsealing the document hurt their right to a fair trial, among other concerns.

I do think the Hush Money payment crimes are probably easier convict on, but the investigation is nowhere near as far along as the Georgia case.

In an ideal world, Trump would be facing 3 or 4 criminal cases simultaneously... Campaign finance, Georgia election tampering, document theft, tax/bank fraud in new york.

[Stacyhs]

Christmas could come early this year!

[mgidm86]

I am being as patient as I can, which still isn't very good but I'm trying. Deep breaths, Mikey, OOOOOHHHHHmmmmmmmmmmm OOOOOHHHHHHMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmm

[Norman Alexander]

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

In an ideal world, Trump would be facing 3 or 4 criminal cases simultaneously... Campaign finance, Georgia election tampering, document theft, tax/bank fraud in new york.

Not to mention that rape thing.

[slyjoe]

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Not to mention that rape thing.

Isn't that a civil, not criminal, case?

[Norman Alexander]

Originally Posted by slyjoe

Isn't that a civil, not criminal, case?

It's another case he is facing. Also, isn't rape a crime in NYC? I would have thought so, even in that fecking town.

[gabeygoat]

though often not adequately adjudicated, much of society considers rape a criminal activity

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

It's another case he is facing. Also, isn't rape a crime in NYC? I would have thought so, even in that fecking town.

Yes, it is but there is a statute of limitations for a criminal case to be brought. The Adult Survivor's Act in NY allowed for Carroll to file a civil suit to be filed. Originally, she sued Trump for defamation for calling her a liar when she said he'd raped her. But her lawsuit now includes the rape itself and defamation.

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In 2019, New York passed the Child Victims Act, which created a one-year lookback window for survivors of childhood sexual abuse to file claims otherwise barred by the statute of limitations.

Similar to the Child Victims Act, the Adult Survivors Act will empower survivors of sexual offenses that occurred when they were over the age of 18. The one-year window will begin six months from signing and will allow survivors to sue regardless of the statute of limitations. For many survivors, it may take years to come to terms with the trauma of sexual assault and feel ready to seek justice against an abuser, while possibly experiencing fear of retaliation or shame.

In 2019, New York extended the statute of limitations to 20 years for adults filing civil lawsuits for a select number of sex crimes. However, that legislation only affected new cases and was not retroactive.

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/gov...-survivors-act



This month, a judge ruled Carroll's rape/defamation lawsuit against Trump can proceed.

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A columnist can proceed with lawsuits alleging she was raped by former President Donald Trump in a department store a quarter century ago, a federal judge ruled Friday, upholding a temporary New York state law letting adult victims of sexual abuse sue their abusers.

Judge Lewis A. Kaplan said lawsuits alleging rape and defamation and seeking unspecified damages by writer E. Jean Carroll could proceed to trial because Trump's challenges were without merit.

[phiwum]

Originally Posted by gabeygoat

though often not adequately adjudicated, much of society considers rape a criminal activity

Past the statute of limitations. The case is defamation or some such. Hence the standard will be preponderance of evidence.

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[Segnosaur]

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Re: Trump's sexual assault defamation case against E. Jean Carroll...

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Isn't that a civil, not criminal, case?

It's another case he is facing.

Well if you want to count all the CIVIL cases Trump is facing in addition to criminal, you have:
- The E. Jean Carroll case
- The NY fraud case brought by Leticia James
- Multiple lawsuits against Trump brought by police affected by the Jan6 terrorist attack
- A lawsuit related to a pyramid scheme Trump had promoted
- Copyright lawsuit over the use of the song "electric Avenue" during Trump's 2020 election campaign (I think that's still ongoing)

There was also a lawsuit launched by Cohen after he was kept in jail despite other inmates being released due to Covid (supposedly in retaliation for saying bad things about Trump.) The case was dismissed, but Cohen might appeal. I hope he does.