The Jan 6 Investigation (2) - Page 34

Stacyhs · 2nd January 2023, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

That's not nice. I've known people who were fruitcakes, and none of them were even remotely as bad and whacked out as this guy.

The level of fruitcake depends on now many nuts are in it. And this guy is chock full o' nuts.

welshdean · 2nd January 2023, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

The level of fruitcake depends on now many nuts are in it. And this guy is chock full o' nuts.

Unfortunately, so was his victim.

How on earth does that bastard think that he holds the moral high ground?

Stacyhs · 3rd January 2023, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by welshdean

Unfortunately, so was his victim.

How on earth does that bastard think that he holds the moral high ground?

He's a Trumper. Nuff said?

Crazy Chainsaw · 3rd January 2023, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

He's a Trumper. Nuff said?

True no Morals amoung them.

Bob001 · 5th January 2023, 02:54 PM

Just noting that tomorrow is the second anniversary.

Stacyhs · 5th January 2023, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Just noting that tomorrow is the second anniversary.

Hopefully, Trump and his minions will be on trial or convicted of insurrection/felonies relating to Jan.6 by its third anniversary.

jadebox · 5th January 2023, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Just noting that tomorrow is the second anniversary.

And security at the Capitol is being increased. Not unexpected, I guess.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/05/polit...ary/index.html

Bob001 · 6th January 2023, 01:01 PM

Biden now speaking at ceremony to award medals to officers hurt defending the Capitol, some posthumously, and election workers.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/polit...ary/index.html

Stacyhs · 6th January 2023, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Biden now speaking at ceremony to award medals to officers hurt defending the Capitol, some posthumously, and election workers.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/polit...ary/index.html

Ruby Freeman and her mother, Shaye Moss, received Presidential Citizens Medals from Biden. This was the response from the Mango Mussolini on his Truth Social:

Quote:

Wow! Has anyone seen the Ruby Freeman “contradictions” of her sworn testimony? Now this is “BIG STUFF.”Look what was captured by Cobb County police body cameras on January 4, 2021. “And everything they are saying is false. Everything from the quote unquote SUITCASES OF THE BALLOT BOXES, TO THE WHY WE OPENED THEM BACK UP. EVERYTHING THEY SAID WAS FALSE.THE FBI…REACHED OUT TO ME ONLY TO CLEAR MY SOCIAL MEDIA (evidence tampering?)…COUNT WAS LOW, IT WAS REALLY LOW.” Now it gets really bad,TRUTH 2

Ruby Freeman, page 2: “BOOM under the table. Cut the zip ties to scan them so the number would go up…so that’s how the number was CREATED, by the ballots going through the scanner…I do want an attorney. IT’S ALL A FRAUD. EVERYTHING THEY ARE SAYING IS FALSE. FROM THE SUITCASES OF THE BALLOT BOXES, TO WHY WE OPENED THEM BACK UP. EVERYTHING THEY SAID WAS FALSE.” They got Ruby 7 top D.C. lawyers and protection from the FBI (Again?). WHY? She then “changed” her statements - LIED? TROUBLE FOR RUBY!!!

What will the Great State of Georgia do with the Ruby Freeman MESS? Why not just tell the TRUTH, get rid of the turmoil and guilt, and take our Country back from the evils and treachery of the Radical Left monsters who want to see America die? MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

This could be in the Trump has Mental Illness thread, too.

mgidm86 · 6th January 2023, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Ruby Freeman and her mother, Shaye Moss, received Presidential Citizens Medals from Biden. This was the response from the Mango Mussolini on his Truth Social:

This could be in the Trump has Mental Illness thread, too.

Yep he's losing it, whatever that means for someone as far gone as Trump already was. Don't forget the Dangerous part too

This is extremely dangerous. Again.

I am outraged that someone can call out these poor women like this and nothing can be done. Not enough obviously, as he's still doing it.

Could this be criminal? These women have had their lives threatened, forced to move and close a business, and OAN was sued. Now Trump is doing it all over again knowing the statements are false, and is no longer protected as President.

If that were my Mom and sister...wow I can't go there. It is so frustrating to just watch this happen. Maybe I should join some organization (legal!). I'm sick of just complaining about it. I can't stand just sitting here.

Random short article covering most of this.

dudalb · 6th January 2023, 06:24 PM

Someone suggested that Trump's real purpose is to wreck the UNited States for rejecting him. I think there might be something to that.

Stacyhs · 6th January 2023, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Someone suggested that Trump's real purpose is to wreck the UNited States for rejecting him. I think there might be something to that.

His niece, Mary, said “Donald will burn everything down if he feels like he is going down.”

He's like a rejected lover: "If I can't have you, no one can!" Then kills her/him.

dudalb · 6th January 2023, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

His niece, Mary, said “Donald will burn everything down if he feels like he is going down.”

He's like a rejected lover: "If I can't have you, no one can!" Then kills her/him.

James Cagney in the climax of "White Heat" comes to mind:

"Top of the world, ma"

Stacyhs · 6th January 2023, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by mgidm86

Yep he's losing it, whatever that means for someone as far gone as Trump already was. Don't forget the Dangerous part too

This is extremely dangerous. Again.

I am outraged that someone can call out these poor women like this and nothing can be done. Not enough obviously, as he's still doing it.

Could this be criminal? These women have had their lives threatened, forced to move and close a business, and OAN was sued. Now Trump is doing it all over again knowing the statements are false, and is no longer protected as President.

If that were my Mom and sister...wow I can't go there. It is so frustrating to just watch this happen. Maybe I should join some organization (legal!). I'm sick of just complaining about it. I can't stand just sitting here.

Random short article covering most of this.

Defamation is generally a civil tort, not a criminal action. The two women previously settled a lawsuit against OAN for these kinds of accusations. This is malicious defamation. Trump is no longer protected by being POTUS nor were these accusations made during his presidency.

Quote:

While Mr Trump repeatedly attacked Ms Freeman and her daughter Shaye Mose – two Black women – in the past, this time his posts could have more serious ramifications, according to Lisa Rubin, a legal analyst with MSNBC.

Ms Rubin wrote on Twitter that Mr Trump can be sued by Ms Freeman for defamation since he no longer has presidential immunity. Ms Freeman has already filed lawsuits against several conservatives.

“When Trump last went after Freeman, he was still president. And therefore, had she sued him for defamation, he could have raised the same defense — as POTUS, I’m immune to tort suits! — he did to Carroll’s initial claims. Whether that defense flies is still being litigated,” Ms Rubin wrote in a twitter thread.

“But Trump’s not president now. And Freeman has already sued others for defamation,” she added.

“Her suit against Rudy Giuliani is ongoing; she settled with OANN last April.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-fresh-a...085456755.html

acbytesla · 6th January 2023, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Someone suggested that Trump's real purpose is to wreck the UNited States for rejecting him. I think there might be something to that.

I'm convinced that is exactly what his benefactor has in mind.

Skeptic Ginger · 6th January 2023, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

.... This was the response from the Mango Mussolini on his Truth Social:

This could be in the Trump has Mental Illness thread, too.

Or more likely he cut and pasted some QAnon stuff.

Gord_in_Toronto · 6th January 2023, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Or more likely he cut and pasted some QAnon stuff.

Bien sur, "C'est la meme chose, n'est pas?"

Skeptic Ginger · 10th January 2023, 10:31 PM

Roy Wood Jr (one of my favorite Trevor Noah/Daily Show comedians) asks Karen Hunter, How should we celebrate Jan 6th?

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I AGREE

Gulliver Foyle · 11th January 2023, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Someone suggested that Trump's real purpose is to wreck the UNited States for rejecting him. I think there might be something to that.

Well considering that the only book he's ever allegedly read is Mein Kampf, that's not a surprise.

Ladewig · 11th January 2023, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Well considering that the only book he's ever allegedly read is Mein Kampf, that's not a surprise.

I find that allegation exceptionally hard to accept.

Some people have alleged that he had a copy of the book in his condo, but owning a book is not the same as reading a book. Also, some of his aides claimed that on his last trip to Europe, they had to explain to him which countries in WW II were US allies and which were US enemies. President chucklehead really has neither that patience, the desire, nor the skill set to read and understand Mein Kampf.

Stacyhs · 11th January 2023, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

I find that allegation exceptionally hard to accept.

Some people have alleged that he had a copy of the book in his condo, but owning a book is not the same as reading a book. Also, some of his aides claimed that on his last trip to Europe, they had to explain to him which countries in WW II were US allies and which were US enemies. President chucklehead really has neither that patience, the desire, nor the skill set to read and understand Mein Kampf.

I agree. Trump doesn't bother with anything that isn't directly related to him.

I think he does have at least one learning disability, likely related to reading, and had poor grades in school. It explains his letter to all the schools he attended warning them not to release his school records. I suspect his elder sister's claim that Donnie paid someone to take the SAT for him is true.

dudalb · 12th January 2023, 04:32 PM

Don;t know if it fits, but the Proud Boys seem to have turned a little on Trump:they are using the Nuremberg Defense in their trials "I was Only Following Trump's Orders".

Stacyhs · 12th January 2023, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Don;t know if it fits, but the Proud Boys seem to have turned a little on Trump:they are using the Nuremberg Defense in their trials "I was Only Following Trump's Orders".

"I was only following orders" is not a legal defense. It didn't work for the Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials and it won't work now.

Crazy Chainsaw · 12th January 2023, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

I find that allegation exceptionally hard to accept.

Some people have alleged that he had a copy of the book in his condo, but owning a book is not the same as reading a book. Also, some of his aides claimed that on his last trip to Europe, they had to explain to him which countries in WW II were US allies and which were US enemies. President chucklehead really has neither that patience, the desire, nor the skill set to read and understand Mein Kampf.

Unfortunately I saw Trump actually Reading once, but you wouldn't believe what it was.

Crazy Chainsaw · 12th January 2023, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

"I was only following orders" is not a legal defense. It didn't work for the Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials and it won't work now.

Insanity would be the only real defense that might work, because Trump Followers are definitely Insane.

Stacyhs · 13th January 2023, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

Insanity would be the only real defense that might work, because Trump Followers are definitely Insane.

Most are just stupid.

Stacyhs · 13th January 2023, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw

Unfortunately I saw Trump actually Reading once, but you wouldn't believe what it was.

The Stormy Daniels Story in Pictures?

Crazy Chainsaw · 13th January 2023, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

The Stormy Daniels Story in Pictures?

An article in his Buddy David Peckers magazine, on the JFK Magruter film.
He was arguing with another man about it, I think he was one of his body Guards. Trump was of course totally Wrong on the physics of Projectiles.
Trump couldn't even understand the complexity of IBM Paper punch cards, in 1961 either, holes in paper were obvious too complexity an Idea for him to understand.

dudalb · 13th January 2023, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

"I was only following orders" is not a legal defense. It didn't work for the Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials and it won't work now.

Sure as hell did'nt save Goering, Kaltenbrunner, Streicher and company from hanging. Won't work here either.

Carrot Flower King · 14th January 2023, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

"I was only following orders" is not a legal defense. It didn't work for the Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials and it won't work now.

Could be good for implicating The Donald though.

dudalb · 23rd January 2023, 03:41 PM

Well, the Proud Boys were found guilty.
Guess the Nuremberg Defense did not work well for them either.

dudalb · 23rd January 2023, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

Could be good for implicating The Donald though.

Nah, if I were a prosecuter, I would not like my case to depend on the testimoney of these bozos.

slyjoe · 23rd January 2023, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Well, the Proud Boys were found guilty.
Guess the Nuremberg Defense did not work well for them either.

Four of the Oath Keepers. Proud Boys' trial not that far along yet.

Mike! · 23rd January 2023, 08:37 PM

I yell you, Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, these days you can't keep your seditious criminals straight without a scorecard.

Silly Green Monkey · 23rd January 2023, 09:41 PM

The more the defendants point to the words as being orders they had to follow, the harder it will be for anyone to claim that the words weren't intended to be orders.

mgidm86 · 23rd January 2023, 11:03 PM

^^ Assuming that charges are ever brought against Trump in the first place. Two years and counting. There's enough evidence to convict at least 10 Trumps!

It's not like the trial will commence immediately after he's indicted for f's sake. They'll have years to dick around and waste time like this. Fight appeals.

What is the hold up here? My opinion, the guy must be charged even if he somehow wins. You just can't let this go unchallenged. Charge him with something gawdammit there is plenty to choose from! Ya know, maybe before the next election?

Oh and the idiot was also caught red-handed hiding and lying about Top Secret documents! That is called stealing! Months ago!

Idiots in charge: "Wow, whatever should we do?"

A real headscratcher I tell ya!

(because there's no middle finger emoji)

Crazy Chainsaw · 24th January 2023, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Mike!

I yell you, Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, these days you can't keep your seditious criminals straight without a scorecard.

You have too remember the Oath Keepers formed from Ron Paul's Waco Whackos from Infowars, the Proud Boys formed from followers of the Racist Great Replacement conspiracy theories, on parlor, and other far right conspiracy theorists.
Oath Keepers old Crazy, Proud Boys Young Crazy.

2nd January 2023, 11:36 PM	#1322
welshdean Michael McDonald 1967 - 2021 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,282	Originally Posted by Stacyhs The level of fruitcake depends on now many nuts are in it. And this guy is chock full o' nuts. Unfortunately, so was his victim. How on earth does that bastard think that he holds the moral high ground?
	__________________ "In science it often happens that scientists say, "You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken," and then they would actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion." Carl Sagan 1934 - 1996 RIP

6th January 2023, 06:14 PM	#1330
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,512	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Ruby Freeman and her mother, Shaye Moss, received Presidential Citizens Medals from Biden. This was the response from the Mango Mussolini on his Truth Social: This could be in the Trump has Mental Illness thread, too. Yep he's losing it, whatever that means for someone as far gone as Trump already was. Don't forget the Dangerous part too This is extremely dangerous. Again. I am outraged that someone can call out these poor women like this and nothing can be done. Not enough obviously, as he's still doing it. Could this be criminal? These women have had their lives threatened, forced to move and close a business, and OAN was sued. Now Trump is doing it all over again knowing the statements are false, and is no longer protected as President. If that were my Mom and sister...wow I can't go there. It is so frustrating to just watch this happen. Maybe I should join some organization (legal!). I'm sick of just complaining about it. I can't stand just sitting here. Random short article covering most of this.
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,512

6th January 2023, 06:24 PM	#1331
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,259	Someone suggested that Trump's real purpose is to wreck the UNited States for rejecting him. I think there might be something to that.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

6th January 2023, 06:49 PM	#1333
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,259	Originally Posted by Stacyhs His niece, Mary, said “Donald will burn everything down if he feels like he is going down.” He's like a rejected lover: "If I can't have you, no one can!" Then kills her/him. James Cagney in the climax of "White Heat" comes to mind: "Top of the world, ma"
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

6th January 2023, 08:34 PM	#1335
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,383	Originally Posted by dudalb Someone suggested that Trump's real purpose is to wreck the UNited States for rejecting him. I think there might be something to that. I'm convinced that is exactly what his benefactor has in mind.
	__________________ Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get to me. .

2nd January 2023, 06:50 PM	#1321
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,671	Originally Posted by shemp That's not nice. I've known people who were fruitcakes, and none of them were even remotely as bad and whacked out as this guy. The level of fruitcake depends on now many nuts are in it. And this guy is chock full o' nuts.

3rd January 2023, 12:54 AM	#1323
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,671	Originally Posted by welshdean Unfortunately, so was his victim. How on earth does that bastard think that he holds the moral high ground? He's a Trumper. Nuff said?

3rd January 2023, 06:27 AM	#1324
Crazy Chainsaw Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,232	Originally Posted by Stacyhs He's a Trumper. Nuff said? True no Morals amoung them.

5th January 2023, 02:54 PM	#1325
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,336	Just noting that tomorrow is the second anniversary.

5th January 2023, 04:17 PM	#1326
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,671	Originally Posted by Bob001 Just noting that tomorrow is the second anniversary. Hopefully, Trump and his minions will be on trial or convicted of insurrection/felonies relating to Jan.6 by its third anniversary.

5th January 2023, 04:23 PM	#1327
jadebox Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,373	Originally Posted by Bob001 Just noting that tomorrow is the second anniversary. And security at the Capitol is being increased. Not unexpected, I guess. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/05/polit...ary/index.html

6th January 2023, 01:01 PM	#1328
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,336	Biden now speaking at ceremony to award medals to officers hurt defending the Capitol, some posthumously, and election workers. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/polit...ary/index.html

6th January 2023, 05:23 PM	#1329
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,671	Originally Posted by Bob001 Biden now speaking at ceremony to award medals to officers hurt defending the Capitol, some posthumously, and election workers. https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/polit...ary/index.html Ruby Freeman and her mother, Shaye Moss, received Presidential Citizens Medals from Biden. This was the response from the Mango Mussolini on his Truth Social: Quote: Wow! Has anyone seen the Ruby Freeman “contradictions” of her sworn testimony? Now this is “BIG STUFF.”Look what was captured by Cobb County police body cameras on January 4, 2021. “And everything they are saying is false. Everything from the quote unquote SUITCASES OF THE BALLOT BOXES, TO THE WHY WE OPENED THEM BACK UP. EVERYTHING THEY SAID WAS FALSE.THE FBI…REACHED OUT TO ME ONLY TO CLEAR MY SOCIAL MEDIA (evidence tampering?)…COUNT WAS LOW, IT WAS REALLY LOW.” Now it gets really bad,TRUTH 2 Ruby Freeman, page 2: “BOOM under the table. Cut the zip ties to scan them so the number would go up…so that’s how the number was CREATED, by the ballots going through the scanner…I do want an attorney. IT’S ALL A FRAUD. EVERYTHING THEY ARE SAYING IS FALSE. FROM THE SUITCASES OF THE BALLOT BOXES, TO WHY WE OPENED THEM BACK UP. EVERYTHING THEY SAID WAS FALSE.” They got Ruby 7 top D.C. lawyers and protection from the FBI (Again?). WHY? She then “changed” her statements - LIED? TROUBLE FOR RUBY!!! What will the Great State of Georgia do with the Ruby Freeman MESS? Why not just tell the TRUTH, get rid of the turmoil and guilt, and take our Country back from the evils and treachery of the Radical Left monsters who want to see America die? MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! This could be in the Trump has Mental Illness thread, too.

6th January 2023, 06:41 PM	#1332
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,671	Originally Posted by dudalb Someone suggested that Trump's real purpose is to wreck the UNited States for rejecting him. I think there might be something to that. His niece, Mary, said “Donald will burn everything down if he feels like he is going down.” He's like a rejected lover: "If I can't have you, no one can!" Then kills her/him.

6th January 2023, 06:50 PM	#1334
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,671	Originally Posted by mgidm86 Yep he's losing it, whatever that means for someone as far gone as Trump already was. Don't forget the Dangerous part too This is extremely dangerous. Again. I am outraged that someone can call out these poor women like this and nothing can be done. Not enough obviously, as he's still doing it. Could this be criminal? These women have had their lives threatened, forced to move and close a business, and OAN was sued. Now Trump is doing it all over again knowing the statements are false, and is no longer protected as President. If that were my Mom and sister...wow I can't go there. It is so frustrating to just watch this happen. Maybe I should join some organization (legal!). I'm sick of just complaining about it. I can't stand just sitting here. Random short article covering most of this. Defamation is generally a civil tort, not a criminal action. The two women previously settled a lawsuit against OAN for these kinds of accusations. This is malicious defamation. Trump is no longer protected by being POTUS nor were these accusations made during his presidency. Quote: While Mr Trump repeatedly attacked Ms Freeman and her daughter Shaye Mose – two Black women – in the past, this time his posts could have more serious ramifications, according to Lisa Rubin, a legal analyst with MSNBC. Ms Rubin wrote on Twitter that Mr Trump can be sued by Ms Freeman for defamation since he no longer has presidential immunity. Ms Freeman has already filed lawsuits against several conservatives. “When Trump last went after Freeman, he was still president. And therefore, had she sued him for defamation, he could have raised the same defense — as POTUS, I’m immune to tort suits! — he did to Carroll’s initial claims. Whether that defense flies is still being litigated,” Ms Rubin wrote in a twitter thread. “But Trump’s not president now. And Freeman has already sued others for defamation,” she added. “Her suit against Rudy Giuliani is ongoing; she settled with OANN last April. https://news.yahoo.com/trump-fresh-a...085456755.html

6th January 2023, 09:14 PM	#1336
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 93,022	Originally Posted by Stacyhs .... This was the response from the Mango Mussolini on his Truth Social: This could be in the Trump has Mental Illness thread, too. Or more likely he cut and pasted some QAnon stuff.

6th January 2023, 09:37 PM	#1337
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,363	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Or more likely he cut and pasted some QAnon stuff. Bien sur, "C'est la meme chose, n'est pas?"
	__________________ "Reality is what's left when you cease to believe." Philip K. Dick

11th January 2023, 12:25 AM	#1339
Gulliver Foyle Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 1,008	Originally Posted by dudalb Someone suggested that Trump's real purpose is to wreck the UNited States for rejecting him. I think there might be something to that. Well considering that the only book he's ever allegedly read is Mein Kampf, that's not a surprise.

11th January 2023, 08:01 AM	#1340
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,710	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle Well considering that the only book he's ever allegedly read is Mein Kampf, that's not a surprise. I find that allegation exceptionally hard to accept. Some people have alleged that he had a copy of the book in his condo, but owning a book is not the same as reading a book. Also, some of his aides claimed that on his last trip to Europe, they had to explain to him which countries in WW II were US allies and which were US enemies. President chucklehead really has neither that patience, the desire, nor the skill set to read and understand Mein Kampf.
	__________________ I lost an avatar bet to Doghouse Reilly.

11th January 2023, 01:53 PM	#1341
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,671	Originally Posted by Ladewig I find that allegation exceptionally hard to accept. Some people have alleged that he had a copy of the book in his condo, but owning a book is not the same as reading a book. Also, some of his aides claimed that on his last trip to Europe, they had to explain to him which countries in WW II were US allies and which were US enemies. President chucklehead really has neither that patience, the desire, nor the skill set to read and understand Mein Kampf. I agree. Trump doesn't bother with anything that isn't directly related to him. I think he does have at least one learning disability, likely related to reading, and had poor grades in school. It explains his letter to all the schools he attended warning them not to release his school records. I suspect his elder sister's claim that Donnie paid someone to take the SAT for him is true.

12th January 2023, 04:32 PM	#1342
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,259	Don;t know if it fits, but the Proud Boys seem to have turned a little on Trump:they are using the Nuremberg Defense in their trials "I was Only Following Trump's Orders".
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

12th January 2023, 07:30 PM	#1343
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,671	Originally Posted by dudalb Don;t know if it fits, but the Proud Boys seem to have turned a little on Trump:they are using the Nuremberg Defense in their trials "I was Only Following Trump's Orders". "I was only following orders" is not a legal defense. It didn't work for the Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials and it won't work now.

12th January 2023, 09:39 PM	#1344
Crazy Chainsaw Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,232	Originally Posted by Ladewig I find that allegation exceptionally hard to accept. Some people have alleged that he had a copy of the book in his condo, but owning a book is not the same as reading a book. Also, some of his aides claimed that on his last trip to Europe, they had to explain to him which countries in WW II were US allies and which were US enemies. President chucklehead really has neither that patience, the desire, nor the skill set to read and understand Mein Kampf. Unfortunately I saw Trump actually Reading once, but you wouldn't believe what it was.

12th January 2023, 09:41 PM	#1345
Crazy Chainsaw Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,232	Originally Posted by Stacyhs "I was only following orders" is not a legal defense. It didn't work for the Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials and it won't work now. Insanity would be the only real defense that might work, because Trump Followers are definitely Insane.

13th January 2023, 01:04 AM	#1346
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,671	Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw Insanity would be the only real defense that might work, because Trump Followers are definitely Insane. Most are just stupid.

13th January 2023, 01:05 AM	#1347
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 28,671	Originally Posted by Crazy Chainsaw Unfortunately I saw Trump actually Reading once, but you wouldn't believe what it was. The Stormy Daniels Story in Pictures?

13th January 2023, 04:07 AM	#1348
Crazy Chainsaw Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 7,232	Originally Posted by Stacyhs The Stormy Daniels Story in Pictures? An article in his Buddy David Peckers magazine, on the JFK Magruter film. He was arguing with another man about it, I think he was one of his body Guards. Trump was of course totally Wrong on the physics of Projectiles. Trump couldn't even understand the complexity of IBM Paper punch cards, in 1961 either, holes in paper were obvious too complexity an Idea for him to understand.

13th January 2023, 01:02 PM	#1349
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,259	Originally Posted by Stacyhs "I was only following orders" is not a legal defense. It didn't work for the Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials and it won't work now. Sure as hell did'nt save Goering, Kaltenbrunner, Streicher and company from hanging. Won't work here either.
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14th January 2023, 04:12 AM	#1350
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 3,392	Originally Posted by Stacyhs "I was only following orders" is not a legal defense. It didn't work for the Nazis at the Nuremberg Trials and it won't work now. Could be good for implicating The Donald though.

23rd January 2023, 03:41 PM	#1351
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,259	Well, the Proud Boys were found guilty. Guess the Nuremberg Defense did not work well for them either.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

23rd January 2023, 03:42 PM	#1352
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,259	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King Could be good for implicating The Donald though. Nah, if I were a prosecuter, I would not like my case to depend on the testimoney of these bozos.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

23rd January 2023, 05:01 PM	#1353
slyjoe Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 3,430	Originally Posted by dudalb Well, the Proud Boys were found guilty. Guess the Nuremberg Defense did not work well for them either. Four of the Oath Keepers. Proud Boys' trial not that far along yet.
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23rd January 2023, 08:37 PM	#1354
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 48,804	I yell you, Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, these days you can't keep your seditious criminals straight without a scorecard.
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23rd January 2023, 09:41 PM	#1355
Silly Green Monkey Cowardly Lurking in the Shadows of Greatness Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,504	The more the defendants point to the words as being orders they had to follow, the harder it will be for anyone to claim that the words weren't intended to be orders.
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23rd January 2023, 11:03 PM	#1356
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,512	^^ Assuming that charges are ever brought against Trump in the first place. Two years and counting. There's enough evidence to convict at least 10 Trumps! It's not like the trial will commence immediately after he's indicted for f's sake. They'll have years to dick around and waste time like this. Fight appeals. What is the hold up here? My opinion, the guy must be charged even if he somehow wins. You just can't let this go unchallenged. Charge him with something gawdammit there is plenty to choose from! Ya know, maybe before the next election? Oh and the idiot was also caught red-handed hiding and lying about Top Secret documents! That is called stealing! Months ago! Idiots in charge: "Wow, whatever should we do?" A real headscratcher I tell ya! (because there's no middle finger emoji)
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,512