IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » USA Politics
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Reply
Old 9th December 2022, 01:55 PM   #41
Bob001
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: US of A
Posts: 16,304
Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
The Dems could refuse her "resignation" from the party, so she could not become "independent". She could act independent in the Senate, but she always has. So no change.
She changed her party registration in Arizona. The Senate has nothing to do with it.
Bob001 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 02:17 PM   #42
Brainster
Penultimate Amazing
 
Brainster's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 19,566
Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
So you're saying that the Dem won because he was saying he wouldn't be a Dem? Then why didn't they just vote for a Republican? Kelly had to appeal to them more than whoever the Republican candidate was, who I'm assuming also ran on an anti-Biden and Dem platform.

Long story short, what the hell was your point here?
That you can't be a left-wing Democrat and win in Arizona. To listen to folks here Kristen is throwing away her career by not going along with the Democrats. From my standpoint she is representing her state in a fashion that makes it possible for her to be elected again. By resigning from the Democrats she ensures that the next race will be a three-way affair, and that whomever the Democrats nominate will be toast.

BTW, hold your breath, because Manchin may be next to jump ship.
__________________
My new blog: Recent Reads.
1960s Comic Book Nostalgia
Visit the Screw Loose Change blog.
Brainster is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 02:18 PM   #43
Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
 
Stacyhs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: United States
Posts: 28,611
I think there's something to the theory that Sinema changed to Independent in order to save herself from being challenged by another Democrat in the coming primaries. She's not popular with the Dems. As an Independent, she can avoid a very expensive primary battle and hope to pull votes from the non-Maga Republicans, Independents, and more conservative Dems.
Stacyhs is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 02:20 PM   #44
plague311
Great minds think...
 
plague311's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 13,707
Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
That you can't be a left-wing Democrat and win in Arizona. To listen to folks here Kristen is throwing away her career by not going along with the Democrats. From my standpoint she is representing her state in a fashion that makes it possible for her to be elected again. By resigning from the Democrats she ensures that the next race will be a three-way affair, and that whomever the Democrats nominate will be toast.

BTW, hold your breath, because Manchin may be next to jump ship.
Let him. This hasn't effected the Senate one bit, so if they need to fill their attention cups with moves like this then I'm good with that. Also, if she ran as an independent, she'd be toast too, so if that's her plan then it's a **** plan right out the gate. If she did it to appeal to right leaning votes then it would hurt the GOP candidate as well.

Again, what point is it that you're trying to make? The Dems still have 51-49 control in the Senate and all the perks that come with it.
__________________
“There are times when the mind is dealt such a blow it hides itself in insanity. While this may not seem beneficial, it is. There are times when reality is nothing but pain, and to escape that pain the mind must leave reality behind.” - Patrick Rothfuss
plague311 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 02:21 PM   #45
plague311
Great minds think...
 
plague311's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 13,707
Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I think there's something to the theory that Sinema changed to Independent in order to save herself from being challenged by another Democrat in the coming primaries. She's not popular with the Dems. As an Independent, she can avoid a very expensive primary battle and hope to pull votes from the non-Maga Republicans, Independents, and more conservative Dems.
Would she have to partake in a primary battle as an Independent? I wouldn't think so, but even if she goes all the way to the general election, there's no way she'll have any success. I assume she'd probably figure that out fairly early on in the process.
__________________
“There are times when the mind is dealt such a blow it hides itself in insanity. While this may not seem beneficial, it is. There are times when reality is nothing but pain, and to escape that pain the mind must leave reality behind.” - Patrick Rothfuss
plague311 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 02:27 PM   #46
Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
 
Stacyhs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: United States
Posts: 28,611
Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Would she have to partake in a primary battle as an Independent? I wouldn't think so, but even if she goes all the way to the general election, there's no way she'll have any success. I assume she'd probably figure that out fairly early on in the process.
No. As an Indie, she would avoid being primaried. If the Dem party didn't back her and backed her challenger instead, there's little chance she'd win the nomination. As an Indie, she does have a small but better chance of winning if she can pull votes from, as I said, Indies, non-Maga GOP, and more moderate to conservative Dems. In AZ, voters are roughly divided evenly among the 3 parties.
Stacyhs is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 02:34 PM   #47
Tero
Master Poster
 
Tero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: North American prairie
Posts: 2,924
I think in most states you need a certain number of signatures to get on a state wide ballot, as a third party etc.

Ours is odd (NE): 10% of the total number of registered voters voting for governor or president at the most recent general election; not to exceed 2,000

But the filing fee is 1% of the salary of the office sought for in state offices as well as senator or congressperson.
__________________
Dominus vo-bisque'em Et cum spear a tu-tu, oh!

Politics blog: https://esapolitics.blogspot.com/
Parody: http://karireport.blogspot.com/
Poll: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...proval-rating/
Tero is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 02:44 PM   #48
slyjoe
Illuminator
 
slyjoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ
Posts: 3,427
To change parties all you have to do is sign up for the party you want to associate with. In Arizona, you can do it online.
__________________
"You have done nothing to demonstrate an understanding of scientific methodology or modern skepticism, both of which are, by necessity, driven by the facts and evidence, not by preconceptions, and both of which are strengthened by, and rely upon, change." - Arkan Wolfshade
slyjoe is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 03:04 PM   #49
thaiboxerken
Penultimate Amazing
 
thaiboxerken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 32,473
Originally Posted by W.D.Clinger View Post
It won't change much in the here and now, but Sinema's term expires in two years.

If she doesn't run for re-election, that's fine.

If she seeks the Democratic party's nomination for the seat, then there could be a messy fight in the primary.

If she decides to run for re-election as an independent, she almost guarantees that a Republican will be elected. Judging by the Republican candidates who ran in the recently concluded election, that Republican is likely to be an anti-democracy nut job.
I believe that she was paid to do this, by the right wing, to have a Republican replace her. She has no core value other than "what's in it for me?"
__________________
1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it.
thaiboxerken is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 03:14 PM   #50
Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
 
Stacyhs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: United States
Posts: 28,611
I said earlier that Sinema would likely have been primaried by another Dem:

Prior to Sinema’s maneuver, [Rep. Ruben Gallego(D-Ariz)] was considered a prime candidate to launch a primary challenge against her in 2024. The House Democrat has been one of the leading critics of Sinema over the past year, including for what he saw as Sinema’s lack of work on behalf of the party in the key state during the 2022 midterms.
Stacyhs is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 03:30 PM   #51
Bob001
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: US of A
Posts: 16,304
Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
That you can't be a left-wing Democrat and win in Arizona. To listen to folks here Kristen is throwing away her career by not going along with the Democrats. From my standpoint she is representing her state in a fashion that makes it possible for her to be elected again.
....
I dunno what you think you mean by "left-wing" except as an epithet, but Mark Kelly, certainly a moderate Democrat by any standard, has won two Senate elections, and the Democrat just beat a Maga-Repub to become governor. So Arizonans elected Dems to the three top posts. Maybe they'd actually like Sinema or her successor to act more like a mainstream Democrat and less like a loon owned by special interests.

Last edited by Bob001; 9th December 2022 at 03:47 PM.
Bob001 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 03:55 PM   #52
Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
 
Stacyhs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: United States
Posts: 28,611
Any Democrat who isn't at least 1/3 to the right of middle is "left-wing" to a conservative.
Stacyhs is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 04:31 PM   #53
Brainster
Penultimate Amazing
 
Brainster's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 19,566
Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
I dunno what you think you mean by "left-wing" except as an epithet, but Mark Kelly, certainly a moderate Democrat by any standard, has won two Senate elections, and the Democrat just beat a Maga-Repub to become governor. So Arizonans elected Dems to the three top posts. Maybe they'd actually like Sinema or her successor to act more like a mainstream Democrat and less like a loon owned by special interests.
Which brings it back to my original point. Kelly ran his advertising as if he was the maverick from Arizona. He did not run as a mainstream Democrat, and neither did Katie Hobbs. Now they were both very fortunate that their opponents were fruitcakes, but they still were in very tight races that could easily have gone differently and probably would have if they had embraced more progressive positions.

I think it's probably safe to say that Sinema is going to run again; this move is going to make any Democrats considering running for her seat in 2024 very nervous. If she runs third party the Democrat is going to be hung out to dry.
__________________
My new blog: Recent Reads.
1960s Comic Book Nostalgia
Visit the Screw Loose Change blog.
Brainster is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 04:38 PM   #54
Hans
Philosopher
 
Hans's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 8,970
Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
So party membership is effectively "I have zero obligations so it is what I feel like this morning"?
Yeah I left the Republican Party and became an Independent and except for the odd Molotov cocktail and occasional bursts of machine gun fire there was no response from the party.
Hans is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 04:57 PM   #55
autumn1971
Illuminator
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 4,008
Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Seriously, I wish some of you commenters had lived in Arizona the last six months, because if you had you would realize that Mark Kelly, the other Democratic Senator from Arizona, won because he ran on "I'll stand up to Joe Biden and the Democrats when they are wrong." You would have thought from his ads that he was Sinema.
The difference is Sinema promised to stand up to the Democratic Caucus whenever they were right.
__________________
'A knave; a rascal; an eater of broken meats; a base, proud, shallow, beggardly, three-suited, hundred-pound, filthy, worsted-stocking knave; a lily-livered, action-taking knave, a whoreson, glass-gazing, superservicable, finical rogue;... the son and heir of a mongral bitch: one whom I will beat into clamorous whining, if thou deniest the least syllable of thy addition."'
-The Bard
autumn1971 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 05:53 PM   #56
Trebuchet
Penultimate Amazing
 
Trebuchet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Port Townsend, Washington
Posts: 35,636
Originally Posted by Hans View Post
Yeah I left the Republican Party and became an Independent and except for the odd Molotov cocktail and occasional bursts of machine gun fire there was no response from the party.
I, on the other hand, never left the Republican Party. It left me.
Hard to understand what Sinema is thinking of for the future. Bernie can get re-elected as an independent by liberal voters because everyone knows he's to the LEFT of the Democratic Party, and isn't going to go with the Republicans.
Sinema, on the other hand, is trying to stake out the middle. If she runs next time as an independent, she'll get snowed under by the better funded party candidates. If she chooses one party or the other, neither will trust her and she'll lose in the primary.
__________________
Cum catapultae proscribeantur tum soli proscripti catapultas habeant.
Trebuchet is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 06:04 PM   #57
Gulliver Foyle
Muse
 
Gulliver Foyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Cork baaaiii
Posts: 967
Originally Posted by W.D.Clinger View Post
It won't change much in the here and now, but Sinema's term expires in two years.

If she doesn't run for re-election, that's fine.

If she seeks the Democratic party's nomination for the seat, then there could be a messy fight in the primary.

If she decides to run for re-election as an independent, she almost guarantees that a Republican will be elected. Judging by the Republican candidates who ran in the recently concluded election, that Republican is likely to be an anti-democracy nut job.
Sinema has a twin?
Gulliver Foyle is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 06:24 PM   #58
Brainster
Penultimate Amazing
 
Brainster's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 19,566
Originally Posted by autumn1971 View Post
The difference is Sinema promised to stand up to the Democratic Caucus whenever they were right.
Kind of amazing that the Americans for Democratic Action gave Sinema an 80% rating in 2021, isn't it? By comparison the highest rated Republican senator was Susan Collins with a 30% score.
__________________
My new blog: Recent Reads.
1960s Comic Book Nostalgia
Visit the Screw Loose Change blog.
Brainster is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 07:50 PM   #59
Donal
Philosopher
 
Donal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,229
The hatred of centrism in this thread is concerning

Sent from my SM-G973U1 using Tapatalk
__________________
SuburbanNerd A blog for making tech make sense
Donal is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 9th December 2022, 08:42 PM   #60
Bob001
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: US of A
Posts: 16,304
Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
....
I think it's probably safe to say that Sinema is going to run again; this move is going to make any Democrats considering running for her seat in 2024 very nervous. If she runs third party the Democrat is going to be hung out to dry.
It might go the other way: She might split the "never a Democrat" vote, especially if the Repubs nominate another fruitcake. The Democrat could win with 40% of the vote, maybe less.

Last edited by Bob001; 9th December 2022 at 08:46 PM.
Bob001 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th December 2022, 12:15 AM   #61
The Great Zaganza
Maledictorian
 
The Great Zaganza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 19,305
Declared Party affiliation is pretty much up to the candidate/representative.
What is not up to them is whether or not they get any support from the Party, financial or otherwise.
Sinema wouldn't do this if she wasn't certain of her donors.
__________________
"The only true paradise is paradise lost"
Marcel Proust
The Great Zaganza is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th December 2022, 01:03 AM   #62
Skeptic Ginger
Nasty Woman
 
Skeptic Ginger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 92,991
Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I think there's something to the theory that Sinema changed to Independent in order to save herself from being challenged by another Democrat in the coming primaries. She's not popular with the Dems. As an Independent, she can avoid a very expensive primary battle and hope to pull votes from the non-Maga Republicans, Independents, and more conservative Dems.
Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Would she have to partake in a primary battle as an Independent? I wouldn't think so, but even if she goes all the way to the general election, there's no way she'll have any success. I assume she'd probably figure that out fairly early on in the process.
Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I said earlier that Sinema would likely have been primaried by another Dem:

Prior to Sinema’s maneuver, [Rep. Ruben Gallego(D-Ariz)] was considered a prime candidate to launch a primary challenge against her in 2024. The House Democrat has been one of the leading critics of Sinema over the past year, including for what he saw as Sinema’s lack of work on behalf of the party in the key state during the 2022 midterms.
As echoed by Alex Wagner on MSNBC tonight, this is the POV I find most valid. That and Sinema is surely looking for all that attention she got when her and Manchin were on the news nightly with their obstructionism of Biden's and the Democrats' agendas.

As a side note, Sinema votes along Democratic Party lines most of the time. She's not an Independent by any stretch of the imagination.

MSNBC: The real reason Kyrsten Sinema left the Democratic Party
Quote:
Alex Wagner points out that despite Senator Kyrsten Sinema's lazy "both sides" explanation for leaving the Democratic Party to become an independent, polling suggests that her low popularity with Democratic voters makes her vulnerable to being primaried, a risk she no longer has to be exposed to as an independent.


Originally Posted by Donal View Post
The hatred of centrism in this thread is concerning
Nonsense and it was also noted by Wagner that Sinema cited as an excuse a false equivalence that both parties were moving toward their extremes whereas she was a centrist. But Wagner showed a graph of the 2 parties where only the right was moving toward the extreme right. The Democrats stayed in the middle for the most part. Despite making a lot of noise, Sanders and his followers are not leading the party.

Of course if you think the pharmaceutical companies didn't need reining in with their $600+ epipens and whatever price hike they were jaqing up insulin to, then I can see why you might think things like limiting the amount drug companies could charge for insulin* and Medicare being able to negotiate drug prices was an extreme left-wing position.


*We are not in any danger of there being an insulin shortage, BTW, if drug companies can't gouge consumers.


Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Declared Party affiliation is pretty much up to the candidate/representative.
What is not up to them is whether or not they get any support from the Party, financial or otherwise.
Sinema wouldn't do this if she wasn't certain of her donors.
Pretty sure her biggest donors are drug companies.

Business Insider: Kyrsten Sinema takes thousands in campaign contributions from pharmaceutical giants while stalling prescription drug pricing reforms

Last edited by Skeptic Ginger; 10th December 2022 at 01:04 AM.
Skeptic Ginger is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th December 2022, 06:15 AM   #63
Donal
Philosopher
 
Donal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,229
I was being sarcastic. It is a sentiment expressed in other threads when it's even slightly touched on that centrism is just plausible deniability for the extreme right.

Sent from my SM-G973U1 using Tapatalk
__________________
SuburbanNerd A blog for making tech make sense
Donal is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th December 2022, 09:19 AM   #64
Venom
Philosopher
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: United States
Posts: 6,080
Originally Posted by Donal View Post
The hatred of centrism in this thread is concerning

Sent from my SM-G973U1 using Tapatalk
Venom is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 10th December 2022, 11:28 PM   #65
Brainster
Penultimate Amazing
 
Brainster's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 19,566
Originally Posted by Donal View Post
I was being sarcastic. It is a sentiment expressed in other threads when it's even slightly touched on that centrism is just plausible deniability for the extreme right.
Could you explain what you mean? I assume that you are not claiming that Sinema is on the extreme right.
__________________
My new blog: Recent Reads.
1960s Comic Book Nostalgia
Visit the Screw Loose Change blog.
Brainster is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th December 2022, 01:10 AM   #66
angrysoba
Philosophile
 
angrysoba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 33,729
Originally Posted by Random View Post
Non-zero chance she's gonna try to be the Presidential nominee for the Forward Party!
LOL! I think someone suggested a Cheney-Sinema ticket.

Or would Sinema-Cheney be better?
__________________
Слава Україні! **** Putin!
angrysoba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th December 2022, 02:18 AM   #67
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
 
a_unique_person's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open.
Posts: 44,912
It would have to be Sinema - Sinema.
__________________
Continually pushing the boundaries of mediocrity.
Everything is possible, but not everything is probable.
“Perception is real, but the truth is not.” - Imelda Marcos
a_unique_person is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 11th December 2022, 09:51 AM   #68
thaiboxerken
Penultimate Amazing
 
thaiboxerken's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 32,473
Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
It would have to be Sinema - Sinema.
She'll be a running mate for anyone with a big enough bribe.. er.. donation.
__________________
1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it.
thaiboxerken is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 18th December 2022, 05:08 PM   #69
Bob001
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: US of A
Posts: 16,304
Sinema has a side hustle: She (apparently) sells used clothes and sporting goods on Facebook.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...ce-senate.html
Bob001 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 18th December 2022, 05:12 PM   #70
Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
 
Stacyhs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: United States
Posts: 28,611
Is she selling her lightly used Democrat Party membership card?
Stacyhs is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 18th December 2022, 07:20 PM   #71
Brainster
Penultimate Amazing
 
Brainster's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 19,566
She's filed the necessary paperwork to run as an independent candidate in 2024. IIRC the signature requirement is about 45,000 valid which is fairly trivial. I'll sign and I'll vote for her over any Democrat and most Republicans.
__________________
My new blog: Recent Reads.
1960s Comic Book Nostalgia
Visit the Screw Loose Change blog.
Brainster is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 18th December 2022, 09:39 PM   #72
Bob001
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: US of A
Posts: 16,304
Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
She's filed the necessary paperwork to run as an independent candidate in 2024. IIRC the signature requirement is about 45,000 valid which is fairly trivial. I'll sign and I'll vote for her over any Democrat and most Republicans.
Okay, I'll bite. You would vote for this spacey pawn of private equity donors over almost anybody known or unknown that either party could possibly run. Why?
Bob001 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 18th December 2022, 09:43 PM   #73
a_unique_person
Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning
 
a_unique_person's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open.
Posts: 44,912
Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
She's filed the necessary paperwork to run as an independent candidate in 2024. IIRC the signature requirement is about 45,000 valid which is fairly trivial. I'll sign and I'll vote for her over any Democrat and most Republicans.
I could understand that if she actually believed in something. She shows all the traits of a classic narcissist. (Not that being a narcissist makes her unique in DC).
__________________
Continually pushing the boundaries of mediocrity.
Everything is possible, but not everything is probable.
“Perception is real, but the truth is not.” - Imelda Marcos
a_unique_person is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 18th December 2022, 10:36 PM   #74
Brainster
Penultimate Amazing
 
Brainster's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 19,566
Originally Posted by Bob001 View Post
Okay, I'll bite. You would vote for this spacey pawn of private equity donors over almost anybody known or unknown that either party could possibly run. Why?
Because she is not in thrall to either of the goofball entities we have today known as parties, whose only justification for existence seems to be "We're not those guys!" Because she didn't buckle under for the Build Inflation Better Act, which the Democrats should thank her for--if inflation had been a few points higher, the red ripple would have been the predicted wave. Because she stood up to the idiots who want to end the filibuster, because it will let the Democrats get a couple bills through (and of course enable the Republicans similar latitude the next time they win control, as they will).
__________________
My new blog: Recent Reads.
1960s Comic Book Nostalgia
Visit the Screw Loose Change blog.
Brainster is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 18th December 2022, 11:53 PM   #75
Skeptic Ginger
Nasty Woman
 
Skeptic Ginger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 92,991
Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Because she is not in thrall to either of the goofball entities we have today known as parties, ...
No but clearly her votes reflect the Democrats except for Big Pharma favored votes because Big Pharma pays her big bucks.

And no, the evidence does not support that being the other way around. She's taken the money before letting it be known that she was against legislation that benefitted Big Pharma.
Skeptic Ginger is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 19th December 2022, 06:33 AM   #76
Donal
Philosopher
 
Donal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 5,229
I prefer candidates who are in the thrall of private equity and big pharma rather than ones who have actual principles.
__________________
SuburbanNerd A blog for making tech make sense
Donal is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 19th December 2022, 06:42 AM   #77
Gulliver Foyle
Muse
 
Gulliver Foyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Cork baaaiii
Posts: 967
Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
She's filed the necessary paperwork to run as an independent candidate in 2024. IIRC the signature requirement is about 45,000 valid which is fairly trivial. I'll sign and I'll vote for her over any Democrat and most Republicans.
She is a reliable republican vote after all.
Gulliver Foyle is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd December 2022, 09:06 PM   #78
Brainster
Penultimate Amazing
 
Brainster's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 19,566
This might belong in stupid news stories as well, but Kyrsten Sinema is quite the tyrannical boss, or so this Daily Beast article might have you believing. Describing the 37-page guide for her staffers, they note this appalling detail:

Quote:
According to an internal memo obtained by The Daily Beast, staffers for Sen. Kyrsten Sinema are expected to always have a "room temperature" bottle of water for her at all times and never book her a middle seat on a flight, among other tasks.
I guess we're supposed to boo and hiss at the pampered princess who doesn't like the middle seat on a flight? And the requirement for a "room temperature" bottle of water does not seem terribly onerous. John Kerry required his staffers to have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich ready for him at any time.
__________________
My new blog: Recent Reads.
1960s Comic Book Nostalgia
Visit the Screw Loose Change blog.
Brainster is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd December 2022, 09:53 PM   #79
Bob001
Penultimate Amazing
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: US of A
Posts: 16,304
Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
This might belong in stupid news stories as well, but Kyrsten Sinema is quite the tyrannical boss, or so this Daily Beast article might have you believing. Describing the 37-page guide for her staffers, they note this appalling detail:

I guess we're supposed to boo and hiss at the pampered princess who doesn't like the middle seat on a flight? And the requirement for a "room temperature" bottle of water does not seem terribly onerous. John Kerry required his staffers to have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich ready for him at any time.

What's more significant is that she uses her staff -- federal government employees -- to do things like shop for her groceries, meet the cable tech at her apartment, maintain her marathon training schedule, arrange her dinner and book her massages, while she apparently spends a big part of her day selling sporting goods on-line.
Bob001 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 22nd December 2022, 10:09 PM   #80
Stacyhs
Penultimate Amazing
 
Stacyhs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: United States
Posts: 28,611
Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
This might belong in stupid news stories as well, but Kyrsten Sinema is quite the tyrannical boss, or so this Daily Beast article might have you believing. Describing the 37-page guide for her staffers, they note this appalling detail:



I guess we're supposed to boo and hiss at the pampered princess who doesn't like the middle seat on a flight? And the requirement for a "room temperature" bottle of water does not seem terribly onerous. John Kerry required his staffers to have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich ready for him at any time.
No. Those seem reasonable. But you didn't include "to get her groceries, fix her internet:

Quote:
One section of the staffer guide explains that the senator’s executive assistant must contact Sinema at the beginning of the work week in Washington to “ask if she needs groceries,” and copy both the scheduler and chief of staff on the message to “make sure this is accomplished.” It specifies Sinema will reimburse the assistant through CashApp. The memo also dictates that if the internet in Sinema’s private apartment fails, the executive assistant “should call Verizon to schedule a repair” and ensure a staffer is present to let a technician inside the property.
Quote:
The Senate ethics handbook states that “staff are compensated for the purpose of assisting Senators in their official legislative and representational duties, and not for the purpose of performing personal or other non-official activities for themselves or on behalf of others.”
One of my husband's past employers wanted him to drive 2 hours to the coast to his vacation home and install and support his internet there because he may want to use it for business while there. My husband told him no, that was not part of his job description. Boss wasn't happy but had no legal basis. Turned out the boss wrote that into the next hire's job description. He figured his employee was his personal IT guy.
Stacyhs is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » USA Politics

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:01 AM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2023, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.