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Old 15th December 2022, 05:36 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I don't care if they don't take their kid. They are trying to prevent me from taking my kid. They are the ones who are trying to stop the other parent.
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Old 15th December 2022, 05:38 AM   #42
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You're safe there, O'Carroll's not a comedian.
Let's hope he doesn't employ sarcasm or you might not get the joke?

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Old 15th December 2022, 05:42 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I don't care if they don't take their kid. They are trying to prevent me from taking my kid. They are the ones who are trying to stop the other parent.

Hilarious. So you figure their concern, about say, a completely unrestricted Drag Queen event at a public venue..is entirely unreasonable? So you figure the best thing to do is silence their voices? That'll teach 'em to be concerned about their kids, right?

Interesting.
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
you are projecting - big time.
I always find this accusation interesting. Would you care to share exactly what unacceptable feelings or impulses Warp12 is attributing to someone else and what it is he is avoiding confronting?

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Old 15th December 2022, 05:43 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Since when does drag = trans anyway? Drag is gay men dressing up like women, not people thinking they are women (whether validly or not is, apparently, a matter of contention).

Pretty sick that Texas, awash in guns and school shootings, thinks that the real danger is dudes in dresses. How many kids were killed this year because of drag?
Not even always gay. Plenty of cis cross-dressers and performers.
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Hilarious. So you figure their concern, about say, a completely unrestricted Drag Queen event at a public venue..is entirely unreasonable? So you figure the best thing to do is silence their voices? That'll teach 'em to be concerned about their kids, right?

Interesting.
Parents are capable of ensuring their young children do not attend a drag event without massive coordination and protest. All they have to do is literally not go there....or if they end up there then leave.

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Parents are capable of ensuring their young children do not attend a drag event without massive coordination and protest. All they have to do is literally not go there.

You didn't address the questions I posed.
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Because not wanting your young children exposed to cross-dressing freaks means that someone is "sexually-repressed". The best part is that while many liberals suggest that there is no sexual aspect to a drag show, many also clearly associate it with sexuality.

I love how some seem to think they are doing some sort of public-service by filing a false report, over matters such as this. I guess they figure that silencing parental concern is something to celebrate?
Would you rather have young men exposed to drag shows in a kind, safe learning environment or after a few too many Phuket Lagers the night his destroyer pulls into Bangkok?

If they don't learn about drag shows when they're young, they'll turn into that guy everyone knows who did a COBRA GOLD exercise in their first tour and ends up spending their life expressing exaggerated homophobia to hide their self-loathing over not being able to process their conflicted feelings about accidentally having sex with a Thai boy.
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I always find this accusation interesting. Would you care to share exactly what unacceptable feelings or impulses Warp12 is attributing to someone else and what it is he is avoiding confronting?
The fact that Warp sees everything as either Black or White, and isn't able to tell tolerance from stealthy social engineering;
that (according to him) not banning Drag events is EXACTLY the same as promoting them, that not banning parents from taking their kids to such an event is EXACTLY the same as mandating that every parent send their kids to them.

Warp sees Drag Shows as part of a concerted effort to corrupt kids, because that's what he would like to do: make it mandatory to send kids to Churches, patriotic parades and gun shows, so that they become TrueTM Americans.

At least that's what I gathered from his previous posts.
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Old 15th December 2022, 05:54 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
You didn't address the questions I posed.
Because you initially posted this

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Drag Queens might be fine for you and your young kids, but don't attempt to take away the voice of disagreeing parents,
That comment is fundamentally about letting parents raise their child as appropriate. I agree it is fine for my kids, and I would never force a parent to take their child. They are free to not take them.

Then you asked this

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. So you figure their concern, about say, a completely unrestricted Drag Queen event at a public venue..is entirely unreasonable? So you figure the best thing to do is silence their voices?
Those parents are simply rejecting the idea that a parent can make a choice. They are trying to ultimately strip that choice from me while I was permitting them to choose.

They wish to use the list to protest events I will take my child to. That is a rejection of,
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I would strongly disagree with that assessment. Refusing to endorse every fetish that comes along does not make someone "sexually repressed". Especially when it comes to what young children are exposed to.

It just makes you wonder what kind of man gets up in the morning and decides, "I'm going to dress like a woman, to flamboyant excess, and hopefully find some young kids to hang out with". Libs will often say, "the kids are too young to understand it". Well, if so, why are these weirdos doing it? For what benefit?

We all know to what "benefit". To normalize such abnormal behaviors at a very early age. I mean, that is the best case scenario, I suppose.

But aside from that, what is worse, is that some feel they are doing something heroic by silencing the voices of concerned parents, by doing things like spamming the website in the OP. Drag Queens might be fine for you and your young kids, but don't attempt to take away the voice of disagreeing parents, and then celebrate doing
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"what kind of man gets up in the morning and decides, "I'm going to dress like a woman, to flamboyant excess, and hopefully find some young kids to hang out with"
I think you are looking at pantomime actors, priests and Mascots (more female animals than women).

Drag shows tend to be held in adult venues with alcohol. Children are not the audience.

Therefore reporting churches is the right thing to do. If you disagree we can play a spot the degenerate game. I cite a case where a priest has abused a child. You cite a case where a drag queen has. We alternate untill one of us runs out of material.
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Drag shows tend to be held in adult venues with alcohol. Children are not the audience.

That is not what we are addressing, here. We are addressing matters where children are potentially part of the audience, or indeed the targeted audience.

We are also addressing the justifications being put forth that any such parental concerns should be silenced. Which is actually the larger issue, imo.
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That is not what we are addressing, here. We are addressing matters where children are potentially part of the audience, or indeed the targeted audience.

We are also addressing the justifications being put forth that any such parental concerns should be silenced.
A parent with infinite concern for their child simply doesn't have to attend. They literally have an incredibly easy method to address their concern.
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A parent with infinite concern for their child simply doesn't have to attend. They literally have an incredibly easy method to address their concern.

Bob, do you think there is a possibility that some of these shows are unrestricted? Or that a child might attend without parental consent, or with someone besides a parent or legal guardian? Do you think parents can be all places, at all times?

By your logic why do we need to restrict alcohol, tobacco, movies? After it is just a simple matter of the parent handling such matters at all times, right? Honestly, I find your argument ridiculous and not worthy of further consideration.

And you still haven't explained why it is acceptable to attempt to silence the voices of concerned parents, as some here seem to be advocating.
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That is not what we are addressing, here. We are addressing matters where children are potentially part of the audience, or indeed the targeted audience.

We are also addressing the justifications being put forth that any such parental concerns should be silenced. Which is actually the larger issue, imo.
You want to ban pantomimes? Or are there other drag shows aimed at children?

Even if there were shows what is the objection again?
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Bob, do you think there is a possibility that some of these shows are unrestricted? Or that a child might attend without parental consent, or with someone besides a parent or legal guardian? Do you think parents can be all places, at all times?

By your logic why do we need to restrict alcohol, tobacco, movies? After it is just a simple matter of the parent handling such matters at all times, right?Honestly, I find your argument ridiculous and not worthy of further consideration.

And you still haven't explained why it is acceptable to attempt to silence the voices of concerned parents, as some here seem to be advocating.
Teaching your child so they make decisions when you are not there is parenting. It isn't the job of the state to do it for you.

Further, they are trying to actually deny me as a parent because they are not able to let their child exercise a modicum of self direction.
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Honestly, I find your argument ridiculous and not worthy of furry consideration.

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You raise a good point. Do you think the furry fetish is normal or degenerate?

Should sports mascots therefore be banned?
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Even if there were shows what is the objection again?

So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to? That it is ok to actively attempt to silence them? The particular objection is hardly the main point, here.

Unless the position is, "I approve of xyz, therefore nobody else is deserving of a voice".

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So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to? That it is ok to actively attempt to silence them? The particular objection is hardly the main point, here.

Unless the position is, "I approve of xyz, therefore nobody else is deserving of a voice".
No one is being silenced
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So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to?
That is definitely what you are saying by taking away my choice as a parent.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to? That it is ok to actively attempt to silence them? The particular objection is hardly the main point, here.

Unless the position is, "I approve of xyz, therefore nobody else is deserving of a voice".
Everyone has a voice.

As to what their kids are exposed to, are you aware that parents can choose what shows to take their kids to?

The silencing point is interesting given the group reported are not simply trying to limit what their kids are exposed to they are trying to limit what all children are exposed to.

Do you agree with them? Do you support the banning of all adults dressing as a member of the opposite sex where children are present?
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Tangentially related, but for all the talk of “parental choice”, they seem determined to remove choices from parents who don’t suffer from retro gay panic.

Just as "freedom of religion" usually means "freedom to make everyone else follow my religion", "parental choice" means "force all other parents to make the same choices as me".
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Do you support the banning of all adults dressing as a member of the opposite sex where children are present?

No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events.

But again, this is more about the whole concept of silencing parental concerns, imo. It is a common liberal theme, these days. My individual concerns about Drag Queens are minor in the grand scheme, and I have no interest in continuously debating them.
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No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events.

But again, this is more about the whole concept of silencing parental concerns, imo. It is a common liberal theme, these days. My individual concerns about Drag Queens are minor in the grand scheme, and I have no interest in continuously debating them.
Where/what is the harm which needs to be mitigated with age appropriate restrictions ?
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No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events. .
I too support the parents being able to choose what their kids go to. I also agree with you on age restrictions. Under 2 years old they have no attention span and are likely to attention seek distracting from the performance.
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But again, this is more about the whole concept of silencing parental concerns, imo. It is a common liberal theme, these days. My individual concerns about Drag Queens are minor in the grand scheme, and I have no interest in continuously debating them.
Yet you are siding with those seeking to impose their views on others? Hypocrite much?

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By your logic why do we need to restrict alcohol, tobacco, movies?
I am not convinced we do. I think anyone who has left the bubble of the US has been to first world nations with far different stances on these and it turns out fine.
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Yet you are siding with those seeking to impose their views on others? Hypocrite much?

That is an odd take on what I have stated. I'm siding with parents having a voice. I am not advocating to silence their voices, as is being championed by some.

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No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events.

Hard to make it much more clear than that, I'd say.

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That is an odd take on what I have stated. I'm siding with parents having a voice. I am not advocating to silence their voices, as is being championed by some.





Hard to make it much more clear than that, I'd say.
Can you please say what that voice is being used to do? To take away my parental rights, right?
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Can you please say what that voice is being used to do? To take away my parental rights, right?

First, I don't agree with that being the intent.

But are you saying that your concerns trump someone else's right to have a voice?

Sure seems to be what you have been continuously promoting.
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These bigots are so sexually repressed. It must be horrible living like that.
Like I said, they seem to think about gay sex more than gay people do. I'm sure it's nothing like Ted Haggard syndrome, though.
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First, I don't agree with that being the intent.

But are you saying that your concerns trump someone else's right to have a voice?

Sure seems to be what you have been continuously promoting.
A) It is the intent. There is a movement to ban it

B) no one is being silenced
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That is an odd take on what I have stated. I'm siding with parents having a voice. I am not advocating to silence their voices, as is being championed by some.

Hard to make it much more clear than that, I'd say.
I take it that you are therefore against the group in the op who are trying to get people to report shows so they can try to get the shows stopped. Disrupting their activity of denying parenteral choice is something you should support.
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I take it that you are therefore against the group in the op who are trying to get people to report shows so they can try to get the shows stopped. Disrupting their activity of denying parenteral choice is something you should support.

They are giving parents a voice, a venue to express concern. It seems to be an activist organization. Activism is not just isolated to liberal concerns, after all. If there is a website to report a concern of liberal parents, I am not going to spam it in attempt to silence them.

But again, we are losing sight of the issue. Why is it acceptable to silence the voices of these (or any) parents? What is wrong with expressing concerns about activities/events that your child may be exposed to against your wishes?
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That is not what we are addressing, here. We are addressing matters where children are potentially part of the audience, or indeed the targeted audience.

We are also addressing the justifications being put forth that any such parental concerns should be silenced. Which is actually the larger issue, imo.
You might be but no one else in this thread has done so. Everyone else apart from you seems to be all for parental choice.
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Old 15th December 2022, 07:21 AM   #77
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Bob, do you think there is a possibility that some of these shows are unrestricted? Or that a child might attend without parental consent, or with someone besides a parent or legal guardian? Do you think parents can be all places, at all times?

By your logic why do we need to restrict alcohol, tobacco, movies? After it is just a simple matter of the parent handling such matters at all times, right? Honestly, I find your argument ridiculous and not worthy of further consideration.

And you still haven't explained why it is acceptable to attempt to silence the voices of concerned parents, as some here seem to be advocating.
And here I was thinking the Puritans had died out.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
You might be but no one else in this thread has done so. Everyone else apart from you seems to be all for parental choice.

Huh? Did you not read the points about spamming the website, and someone clearly stating that they did so? Also others have been arguing the point that silencing the parents is acceptable.

Perhaps read the thread over, starting from the top.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
So ...snip...
Snipped out your straw men arguments.

So let me address what remains.


Oh...
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
What is wrong with expressing concerns about activities/events that your child may be exposed to against your wishes?
This is not a free speech question here and just about the view in general. and there are many reasons

1) Any exposure against their wishes is still ultimately a parenting decision within their family. If the child cannot be trusted by themselves or with another guardian, that is an issue for that family and not other parents in attendance.

2) You discussed age restrictions, which is fundamentally an attack on my ability to choose how I parent.
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