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Old 15th December 2022, 10:13 AM   #121
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It's always a slippery slope if the OTHERS do it.
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Old 15th December 2022, 10:16 AM   #122
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Old 15th December 2022, 10:17 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
Except, of course, the freedom to put on clothes of the opposite sex and talk to children. Unless, of course, you're a lady, in which case wear clothes of the opposite sex all you like.

I continue to believe this is all mental.
So far...
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Old 15th December 2022, 10:17 AM   #124
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I have two Cobra Golds under my belt and I never accidentally had sex with a Thai boy.
As long as you enjoyed it and there was mutual consent, that's all that matters.
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Old 15th December 2022, 10:19 AM   #125
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I have two Cobra Golds under my belt and I never accidentally had sex with a Thai boy.
I hear ya bro....
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Old 15th December 2022, 11:02 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
So far...

I remember AM radio raving lunatic Michael Savage vehemently criticizing a politician in California (a Democrat, naturally) because she wore jeans in public.
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Old 15th December 2022, 11:12 AM   #127
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to? That it is ok to actively attempt to silence them? The particular objection is hardly the main point, here.

Unless the position is, "I approve of xyz, therefore nobody else is deserving of a voice".
Taking that last sentence: "I disapprove of xyz, therefore nobody else is deserving of a voice".

Who is being silenced again?
Parents who want to stop drag shows for kids such as the one where men in drag read books to kids at the library
Why don't these parents just intervene with their own kids instead of everyone's?
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Old 15th December 2022, 11:13 AM   #128
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Sure it does. The intent is to overload the content in order to drown out the voices of the concerned. Eventually this invariably leads to the "tip line" becoming unviable.

Besides you have already fairly well stated that you think it is ok to silence their voices, anyway.

When this group gets a tip, the plan is that they will go protest and/or try to get the show shut down.

This group is attempting to silence the voices of parents who want to take their kids to these shows.

Fight fire with fire, I say.

Look, these concerned parents are not my ******* parents. Control your own kids and stay away from mine.
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Old 15th December 2022, 11:18 AM   #129
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No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events.
Age appropriate by whose opinion?

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But again, this is more about the whole concept of silencing parental concerns, imo. It is a common liberal theme, these days. My individual concerns about Drag Queens are minor in the grand scheme, and I have no interest in continuously debating them.
Round and round you go ignoring other's point and repeating yours.

It's a common right-wing theme, force everyone to follow alt-right Christian beliefs by making everyone comply via laws, regulations and other forms of interference.
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Old 15th December 2022, 11:23 AM   #130
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Originally Posted by sarge View Post
I have two Cobra Golds under my belt and I never accidentally had sex with a Thai boy.
So, it was intentional?
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Old 15th December 2022, 11:51 AM   #131
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I always find this accusation interesting. Would you care to share exactly what unacceptable feelings or impulses Warp12 is attributing to someone else and what it is he is avoiding confronting?
He did say he loved the first couple of series. To love the first couple of seconds of a Brendan O'Carroll show you first need to have your sense of humour surgically removed.

Don't forget RTÉ inflicted him on us for years before he moved across the water.
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Old 15th December 2022, 12:18 PM   #132
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Hilarious. So you figure their concern, about say, a completely unrestricted Drag Queen event at a public venue..is entirely unreasonable? So you figure the best thing to do is silence their voices? That'll teach 'em to be concerned about their kids, right?

Interesting.
How wrong could this post be? How are parents being silenced?

Not “How are parents being exposed to opinions they don’t like”

Not “how are parents being forced to take their kids to drag shows”

How, in your Warped mind, (not meant to be offensive, just couldn’t resist the pun,) has the government silenced these parents’ ability to have their message heard?
I’ve just now heard about their opinion on a “leftist” forum, how did the silencing of every parent fail to prevent me from hearing their concerns?
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Old 15th December 2022, 12:23 PM   #133
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How wrong could this post be? How are parents being silenced?

Not “How are parents being exposed to opinions they don’t like”

Not “how are parents being forced to take their kids to drag shows”

How, in your Warped mind, (not meant to be offensive, just couldn’t resist the pun,) has the government silenced these parents’ ability to have their message heard?
I’ve just now heard about their opinion on a “leftist” forum, how did the silencing of every parent fail to prevent me from hearing their concerns?

I think you may be confused about the debate. Nobody said the government was attempting to silence them. Maybe read through the thread; it has all been discussed.
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Old 15th December 2022, 12:24 PM   #134
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And it's not an awfully long time ago that boy children wore dresses and had long curls and wore pink...

I must say that going to drag shows like panto and church never made me want to wear a skirt: my legs are too long and shaving them would result in huge bloodshed...

And I once had a colleague who did a great act as Marilyn Monroe (especially good as he was of Italian extraction and had somewhat olive skin) and it never made me (blond and pale) want to dress up as Jane Russell.
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Old 15th December 2022, 12:43 PM   #135
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A bit surprised nobody's brought up the incident down the road from us - I was pretty sure it made national news at least. The local taproom (which is family friendly) has had a monthly drag storytime for over a year. A few weeks ago, some anti-drag folks found out and announced a big protest outside the taproom. The next day, someone fired shots at their front window.

The original protest group cancelled, as it was not their intention to cause violence, the few protestors were greatly outnumbered by counter-protestors, and storytime went on as usual. I bet a lot of patrons are choosing seats away from the windows now, though.

Honestly, shooting up a business because of a drag story hour? What is the difference between the reader showing up as a drag queen, a clown, a princess, or a purple dinosaur? It's all just dress-up to the kids. It's only weird when you make it so.

I honestly don't know how people miss that they're being led by the nose to the Right Wing Outrage of the Week, whether it's satanic panics, her emails, children being trafficked by furniture sales, drag queens, gay teachers... the list is endless, and every time one loses steam they just start another.

Please note: No, I will NOT get sidetracked into discussing every other right wing outrage. This thread is for drag performers. You know, like the Pythons and Milton Berle.
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Old 15th December 2022, 12:44 PM   #136
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I suspect everyone has missed the point about these conservatives wanting to stop drags reading to kids. It's the "reading to kids" part, not the drag.

Heaven knows, they might read them some filth, like classic American children's literature such as Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn, or exciting modern literature like Dr Suess. Or stories about children and people in other countries. And that might trigger an impulse to be curious and read more, and find out more about more stuff, and broaden their minds!

No, this shall not stand, sayeth the conservatives! Education is anathema! The children might learn about something more than the limited, biased, nasty ******* tripe they as parents know. Then the kids will not grow up to be those parents.

So better to shame the drags who read to their kids than admit they can't read themselves.
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Just think back to the days when we only had 2 TV channels here and yet drag performers, or other performers dragging up, were regularly on mainstream comedy and light entertainment shows (Dick Emery, Danny La Rue - a favourite of my paternal grandmother, who also loved the camp of the Staurday afternoon wrestling - Les Dawson and..and...)It's amazing that we aren't just a bunch of out and out queens, isn't it?
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Old 15th December 2022, 12:53 PM   #138
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Nobody said the government was attempting to silence them.
In fact, nobody is attempting to silence them.
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Old 15th December 2022, 01:35 PM   #139
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Oh stfu with the "concerned parents". They are brainwashed parents.

How was this never a problem before until rightwing pundits made it one?
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No, but calling them freaks might.



I don't ignore people who disagree with me, I ignore haters, instigators and people who have nothing of value to add. Anyone calling them freaks...I just don't need to engage with that person. Someone like that adds nothing to a discussion or to my own life.
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Bob, do you think there is a possibility that some of these shows are unrestricted? Or that a child might attend without parental consent, or with someone besides a parent or legal guardian? Do you think parents can be all places, at all times?
Well no, but you still haven't explained why it's an issue.

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By your logic why do we need to restrict alcohol, tobacco,
Physically dangerous and chemically addictive. How is this equitable with drag shows?

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movies?
Potentially psychologically damaging. How is that equitable with drag shows?
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After it is just a simple matter of the parent handling such matters at all times, right? Honestly, I find your argument ridiculous and not worthy of further consideration.
Does your back hurt? I reckon you should get a sports massage or something man, carrying all that straw can't be good for you.
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And you still haven't explained why it is acceptable to attempt to silence the voices of concerned parents, as some here seem to be advocating.
Because their "concern" is utterly ludicrous and without merit?

Just because some loony bigot is "concerned" that their child might learn that gay people and drag queens are actually, you know, people, doesn't mean their concern is valid nor worthwhile.

Please explain what the possible danger is from children attending a drag show.
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It's already been pointed out that movies are not restricted at all. There are no laws against minors walking into an R-rated movie. You don't need to ask him again, he won't answer anyways.

Libraries and drag shows are the targets. Not movies with the graphic depictions of death, or the hatred shown by many of the characters, or the cussing, or the boobies.

Movies for some reason are not the problem. Wanna watch John Wick murder hundreds of people? Go ahead! But don't you DARE go to the LIBRARY!

******* libr....lol I can't even say it...libraries and....BWAHAHAHA DRAG SHOWS are the concern!

Not the shot up schools. Mother ******* silence there.
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If we can take a break from feeding the trolls who are successfully derailing another thread, what addresses can we report?

I heard there was a big drag event going on at 1010 Colorado Street in Austin.
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It just makes you wonder what kind of man gets up in the morning and decides, "I'm going to dress like a woman, to flamboyant excess, and hopefully find some young kids to hang out with". it
I don't know about today, back in the sixties they were called pantomime performers. Sometimes Widow Twsnkey was the local Presbyterian minister.


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Well, if so, why are these weirdos doing it? For what benefit?
In the case of pantomime it was called "entertainment"

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We all know to what "benefit". To normalize such abnormal behaviors at a very early age. I mean, that is the best case scenario, I suppose.
I may have mentioned my Conservative voting, Daily Express reading, Church of Scotland attending great aunts back in the sixties who would sit down with us kids and watch Danny la Rue on the telly. They loved Danny la Rue.

I suppose you would claim they were grooming us.

Oh, by the way, are these people alleging that drag acts are 'grooming' the same ones that sex up their five year olds for those 'beauty pageants'?
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A bit surprised nobody's brought up the incident down the road from us - I was pretty sure it made national news at least. The local taproom (which is family friendly) has had a monthly drag storytime for over a year. A few weeks ago, some anti-drag folks found out and announced a big protest outside the taproom. The next day, someone fired shots at their front window.

The original protest group cancelled, as it was not their intention to cause violence, the few protestors were greatly outnumbered by counter-protestors, and storytime went on as usual. I bet a lot of patrons are choosing seats away from the windows now, though.

Honestly, shooting up a business because of a drag story hour? What is the difference between the reader showing up as a drag queen, a clown, a princess, or a purple dinosaur? It's all just dress-up to the kids. It's only weird when you make it so.

I honestly don't know how people miss that they're being led by the nose to the Right Wing Outrage of the Week, whether it's satanic panics, her emails, children being trafficked by furniture sales, drag queens, gay teachers... the list is endless, and every time one loses steam they just start another.

Please note: No, I will NOT get sidetracked into discussing every other right wing outrage. This thread is for drag performers. You know, like the Pythons and Milton Berle.
Re the highlighted: BINGO! If the right-wing doesn't have something new to be outraged by, afraid of, or offended by...they just invent one. I think that they aren't happy unless they're unhappy.
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This thread is for drag performers. You know, like the Pythons and Milton Berle.
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I suspect everyone has missed the point about these conservatives wanting to stop drags reading to kids. It's the "reading to kids" part, not the drag.
They should just cancel the reading and show movies and old TV shows. Wholesome stuff like:

Tootsie
Mrs. Doubtfire.
Some Like it Hot
Bosom Buddies (remember that one? It made Tom Hanks a star!!)
Victor Victoria?
Priscilla, Queen of the Desert (both the U.S. and Au. versions)?
Any of the Aunt Madea movies (12 of them!)
M*A*S*H
every second Monty Python skit
Damn near anything with Milton Berle
Every third Benny Hill skit
....and many, many more.

But by all means, lets keep pretending that there's real meat to the drag show outrage.
Keep ignoring that drag has been an acceptable sort of entertainment for centuries.
Keep pretending that "drag" is synonymous with transgender (it's not) or homosexuality (not that either).
Keep equating outrageous sexuality at gay pride parades with drag (not the same thing at all!).
Keep pretending that it's not just another moral panic ginned up by the perpetually outraged right-wing/pseudoChristian fundie social influence machine.

Which is fine, really.

Until - until the violence starts. Which it already has here where I live - Colorado. Any my daughter hangs out with the transgender kids at school. And they go to "gay club" after school to get the emotional support they need in a society like ours.

And if that perpetually outrage machine starts directing violence towards a group of people that includes my daughter? Then I get upset and deal with it. I'm a non-violent person, there's no threat of violence in what I say. But if it comes to spamming a stupid website? I'm down with that.

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My daughter has non-binary, transgender and gay friends. None of them has attempted to groom her or changed her in any way from whom she's always been.

Frankly, all these 'concerned' parents are just Karens who think they not only have the right, but duty, to stick their damn noses into other people's business. --------------- 'em.
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Since when does drag = trans anyway? Drag is gay men dressing up like women, not people thinking they are women (whether validly or not is, apparently, a matter of contention).

Pretty sick that Texas, awash in guns and school shootings, thinks that the real danger is dudes in dresses. How many kids were killed this year because of drag?
In the minds of right wingers, drag is 'grooming' for sexual assault or being made trans.

Look at how one Texas bill defines 'drag':

"Drag performance" means a performance in which a
performer exhibits a gender identity that is different than the
performer's gender assigned at birth using clothing, makeup, or
other physical markers and sings, lip syncs, dances, or otherwise
performs before an audience for entertainment.

This bill would means a trans man telling a stand-up set at a place that allows the consumption of alcohol would make that place be defined as a 'sexual oriented business'. That would in turn mean such a place would have to totally ban anyone under the age of eighteen from entering and pay the state $5 per customer quarterly.

They equate drag to things like strip shows that are sexual. And they equate being trans with performing drag.

[This bill and the intersection with drag does intersect with trans gender issues here, and I think it's valid information for this thread, if not, oh well, I get a flag I guess.]
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In the minds of right wingers, drag is 'grooming' for sexual assault or being made trans.
That's the general idea for sure with the real problem being that finding sexualized content involving children is damn near impossible.

Here's Sara Gonzales' bit thing. This is the one that got her on Tucker Carson's show. Problem is it's fake. This wasn't an all ages show, having it was advertised as sexualized content and one parent brought one child, Gonzales filmed it and misrepresented it.
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They should just cancel the reading and show movies and old TV shows. Wholesome stuff like:

Tootsie
Mrs. Doubtfire.
Some Like it Hot
Bosom Buddies (remember that one? It made Tom Hanks a star!!)
Victor Victoria?
Priscilla, Queen of the Desert (both the U.S. and Au. versions)?
Any of the Aunt Madea movies (12 of them!)
M*A*S*H
every second Monty Python skit
Damn near anything with Milton Berle
Every third Benny Hill skit
....and many, many more.

But by all means, lets keep pretending that there's real meat to the drag show outrage.
Keep ignoring that drag has been an acceptable sort of entertainment for centuries.
Keep pretending that "drag" is synonymous with transgender (it's not) or homosexuality (not that either).
Keep equating outrageous sexuality at gay pride parades with drag (not the same thing at all!).
Keep pretending that it's not just another moral panic ginned up by the perpetually outraged right-wing/pseudoChristian fundie social influence machine.

Which is fine, really.

Until - until the violence starts. Which it already has here where I live - Colorado. Any my daughter hangs out with the transgender kids at school. And they go to "gay club" after school to get the emotional support they need in a society like ours.

And if that perpetually outrage machine starts directing violence towards a group of people that includes my daughter? Then I get upset and deal with it. I'm a non-violent person, there's no threat of violence in what I say. But if it comes to spamming a stupid website? I'm down with that.
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Birdcage
La Cage aux Folles
Soap
Junior
Big Momma's House
Tyler Perry's movies
Ladybugs
The Crying Game
Back to the Future II
Ed Wood
The Boondock Saints
The Nutty Professor
Dallas Buyer's Club
The Danish Girl
There are lots more.

It should be noted that men played the roles of females in plays during the Elizabethen era.

It's amazing how people get offended over nothing.
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People don't get offended over nothing. They CHOOSE to be offended over nothing because it fits their agenda.
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Originally Posted by crescent View Post
They should just cancel the reading and show movies and old TV shows. Wholesome stuff like:

Tootsie
Mrs. Doubtfire.
Some Like it Hot
Bosom Buddies (remember that one? It made Tom Hanks a star!!)
Victor Victoria?
Priscilla, Queen of the Desert (both the U.S. and Au. versions)?
Any of the Aunt Madea movies (12 of them!)
M*A*S*H
every second Monty Python skit
Damn near anything with Milton Berle
Every third Benny Hill skit
....and many, many more.

But by all means, lets keep pretending that there's real meat to the drag show outrage.
Keep ignoring that drag has been an acceptable sort of entertainment for centuries.
Keep pretending that "drag" is synonymous with transgender (it's not) or homosexuality (not that either).
Keep equating outrageous sexuality at gay pride parades with drag (not the same thing at all!).
Keep pretending that it's not just another moral panic ginned up by the perpetually outraged right-wing/pseudoChristian fundie social influence machine.

Which is fine, really.

Until - until the violence starts. Which it already has here where I live - Colorado. Any my daughter hangs out with the transgender kids at school. And they go to "gay club" after school to get the emotional support they need in a society like ours.

And if that perpetually outrage machine starts directing violence towards a group of people that includes my daughter? Then I get upset and deal with it. I'm a non-violent person, there's no threat of violence in what I say. But if it comes to spamming a stupid website? I'm down with that.
Hell, you forgot the original cross dresser play, "Charlie's Aunt".,
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
I am interested to know as someone who has worn a 'frock' on many occasiond. I am sure many a child would see my kilt as a skirt.
Or, if you're in the South Pacific, lavalavas.

Every Sunday, pretty well every make Pasifika over 12 will be wearing a skirt.

Disgraceful!
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That is a rather simplistic analysis, imo. Like saying a scat fetish is just a variation on pooping.
Uh, you do realise that transvestitism is not the same thing as drag queening, right?
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Oh and if we're using that definition of drag, kiss Marlene Dietrich goodbye. No more old movies for you!
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Uh, you do realise that transvestitism is not the same thing as drag queening, right?
No, he doesn't. Or, at the least, he wants them to be the same.
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Oh and if we're using that definition of drag, kiss Marlene Dietrich goodbye. No more old movies for you!
Betty Davis
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Jack Benny too.

How is this Texas law not a violation of the First Amendment?
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Man, I miss the 60's and 70's, you'd never see a man on TV dressed up and acting like a lady...
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Uh, you do realise that transvestitism is not the same thing as drag queening, right?

Yes. Did I claim otherwise? Not sure where you got that from. The point was that referring to Drag Queens as a slight variation of clowns is, imo, a very simplistic analysis. Perhaps even disingenuous. Especially based on some of the "mission-statements" I've read.

I have repeatedly stated that my primary concern is the voices of concerned parents being silenced. This is a common trend with liberals, these days. To downplay, discredit, and flat-out try to take away the voices of conservative parents. As usual, it is front-and-center in this thread, too.
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