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Old 16th December 2022, 06:06 PM   #241
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It never ceases to amaze me that those who complain the loudest about their 'freedoms', about 'personal responsibility' and keeping the government out of their private lives are also those who are demanding government control of women's reproduction, banning books not to their personal approval in school libraries, CRT being taught in schools when it's not, forbidding teachers to discuss anything related to non-straight, non-cisgender people, and a host of other things. Hypocrisy, thy name is right-wing.
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Old 16th December 2022, 06:10 PM   #242
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Found this related to the group in the OP.



https://texasscorecard.com/state/def...n-of-children/

And the NSFW Drag video, on twitter (also viewable in the linked article):

https://twitter.com/SaraGonzalesTX/s...of-children%2F


Honestly, I don't see how anyone can expect all parents to be OK with this?
There is an issue here because there is a child present.

But why is that a trans issue?

Would you think it totally OK for overtly sexual to be accessible to children as long as the people doing it were dressed in the garb associated with their gender?

Or do you think that straight conservatively dressed people never do it? Think again.

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Old 16th December 2022, 06:19 PM   #243
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Originally Posted by Robin View Post
Or do you think that straight conservatively dressed people never do it? Think again.
For loads of fun, look up the statistics on youth pastors and molestation. I'd trust any number of drag queens, transgender people, gay rights activists, etc. (and I have when my kids were young), before I'd ever think of trusting a youth pastor with my kids.
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Old 16th December 2022, 06:23 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by deadrose View Post
For loads of fun, look up the statistics on youth pastors and molestation. I'd trust any number of drag queens, transgender people, gay rights activists, etc. (and I have when my kids were young), before I'd ever think of trusting a youth pastor with my kids.
I know someone whose now ex-husband was a Mormon bishop put in charge of a kids' church summer camp even after she had openly accused him of molesting his own children to the church elders. He spent a few years in prison for it.
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Old 16th December 2022, 06:41 PM   #245
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There are plenty of strip clubs and dinner theatre events which allow minors to attend. Why is that only bad if it involves drag?
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Old 16th December 2022, 06:45 PM   #246
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Kids are not walking around the city freely with their house keys anymore. Those days are long gone.
False.

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It is estimated that as many as 10 million American children care for themselves before or after school. Many latchkey kids begin their self-care responsibilities at about 8 years of age. Studies show that nearly 30 percent of all children younger than 14 years of age care for themselves or are cared for by older siblings during nonschool hours
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-li.../latchkey-kids

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That same mythical kid can walk into a theater, buy a ticket for Bambi and walk into 50 Shades Of Gray. No law broken. Most theaters don't care nor would most even notice.
Yes there is no law. However, there is a voluntary standardized ratings system that is universally enforced. It is not commonplace for theaters to let unattended young children into R-Rated films. This has been the case for many years.

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Go to a library and tell me how many unattended 8 year-olds you see. You will see zero. One place I never ever ever went when I had the freedom to ride my bike wherever I wanted was the library, at any age.
Based on the invalid nature of your other assertions, I find this one suspect as well.

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As stated above not all drag shows are sexual.
Nobody claimed they were.

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Old 16th December 2022, 06:52 PM   #247
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Incidentally the owner of the venue that hosted the drag brunch said that parents were warned about the explicit content.
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Old 16th December 2022, 06:54 PM   #248
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There are plenty of strip clubs and dinner theatre events which allow minors to attend. Why is that only bad if it involves drag?

Who said that might not be an issue? But this is a thread about drag shows/events, many of which are aimed directly at children.
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Old 16th December 2022, 06:56 PM   #249
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Here is part of the statement of the owner:

“The ticketing site as well as confirmation e-mail also states ‘We believe it is the prerogative of parents/guardians to make decisions regarding the wellbeing of their children. If you do not allow your child to see an R-Rated movie or watch TV-MA programming, this event is not for them.’”

So this particular brunch was not marketed as for all ages.
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Old 16th December 2022, 06:57 PM   #250
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Originally Posted by Robin View Post
There is an issue here because there is a child present.

But why is that a trans issue?

Would you think it totally OK for overtly sexual to be accessible to children as long as the people doing it were dressed in the garb associated with their gender?

Or do you think that straight conservatively dressed people never do it? Think again.

Did anyone say it was a "trans" issue?

Of course it wouldn't be OK for overtly sexual behavior to be freely accessible to young children, regardless of dress. But this thread is pretty focused on Drag Queens.
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Originally Posted by Robin View Post
Here is part of the statement of the owner:

“The ticketing site as well as confirmation e-mail also states ‘We believe it is the prerogative of parents/guardians to make decisions regarding the wellbeing of their children. If you do not allow your child to see an R-Rated movie or watch TV-MA programming, this event is not for them.’”

So this particular brunch was not marketed as for all ages.

This has already been discussed earlier, starting here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...9#post13969139

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Old 16th December 2022, 07:03 PM   #252
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Who said that might not be an issue? But this is a thread about drag shows/events, many of which are aimed directly at children.
Explain the relevance of posting this video then.

Drag shows aimed at families don't have sexuality explicit content. (The video in question was targetted to adults)

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Old 16th December 2022, 07:09 PM   #253
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I really love the predictability of some of these responses.

First, numerous liberals will express that they do not want any age-appropriate restrictions on any events/materials. Essentially attempting to invalidate all of the concerns that conservatives have for their own children.

Then when I say, "fine, then let them ban the shows", mock outrage is expressed over the "unreasonable" nature of my suggestion.

It is hilarious, to say the least. Hey, I'll stick by it though; if liberals can't give an inch, I hope conservatives take a mile...and through legislation. That is my new approach in these cases. Scorched earth, no negotiation.

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Old 16th December 2022, 07:12 PM   #254
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Originally Posted by Robin View Post
Explain the relevance of posting this video then.

Drag shows aimed at families don't have sexuality explicit content. (The video in question was targetted to adults)

Uhh...it is a drag show, as this thread is devoted to. It was posted to Twitter with association to the activist group noted in the OP. Children were allowed to attend, with supervision.

I think that covers it.

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Old 16th December 2022, 08:06 PM   #255
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Yes, I am intentionally not taking the conversation there. It is a waste of time.

I have earlier stated that I am not suggesting an outright ban. But rather age-appropriate restrictions. It should be enough for me to say I don't want my young child to have access to it; whether or not I can be standing over them at every moment of the day, or at every venue such an event might be presented.

Parents have a legitimate right to these concerns.

Your young children don’t have access to it unless you allow them to go. That’s the bottom line. I don’t see how your 10 year old goes to the show without your permission.

Teenagers, maybe, might have a little more freedom to go to shows you don’t want them to go to without you knowing. But if they actually want to go to these shows, then that sounds like a parent-child issue, maybe your indoctrination parental guidance didn’t take? Sounds like maybe you need to keep them locked inside your home or church where they only see things you want them to see.

As I said before, you are 100% free to raise your kids how you want to. You can restrict them from any content you want them to avoid. You can indoctrinate them to your heart’s content and shelter them from other stuff you consider indoctrination into freakish belief systems. You do you.

What you cannot do, what I and others like me will fight you on, is your beliefs controlling what my kids are allowed to see. I will take my kid to any show I consider appropriate for their age/maturity level and stuff I want them to be exposed to.

There are limits of course. But drag shows? C’mon man.
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Also, I am not sure about every library's policies for children. But I can tell you, by age 8 I was a "latch-key" kid. Meaning, I had a house key and was unattended for much of the day. So, many kids like that might just wind up at the library, I imagine. So, you know, I think the discussion of age-appropriate restrictions is very relevant to this topic.

Or at least a relevant concern for parents.

But the world is not your babysitter. If your life circumstances require you to have a “latch key kid,” well, that comes with trade-offs. Kids are going to be exposed to stuff you can’t control. That’s not my problem, it’s yours.
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Of course.

But some liberals seem to be against that very notion. Hence they shun of the idea of age-appropriate restrictions on events such as DSH.

Also, it doesn't matter whether you can see the problem or not. We aren't just talking about your kids. "I don't see a problem with kids being exposed to xyz", is not a valid argument that it should be acceptable to everyone, or even the default.

But can’t you see that legal age restrictions enforces a conservative moral stance and restricts more liberal parents?
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But the world is not your babysitter. If your life circumstances require you to have a “latch key kid,” well, that comes with trade-offs. Kids are going to be exposed to stuff you can’t control. That’s not my problem, it’s yours.

So, another vote for no age-appropriate restrictions, like a young child being accompanied by a parent or guardian? Too restrictive, huh?
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So, another vote for no age-appropriate restrictions, like a young child being accompanied by a parent or guardian? Too restrictive, huh?
And he's back to the safety of the Motte...
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So, another vote for no age-appropriate restrictions, like a young child being accompanied by a parent or guardian? Too restrictive, huh?
Where's the need? How many young children do you think are attending drag shows?
And what harm might come to these children if they did see one?

Demonstrate an actual problem.
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So, another vote for no age-appropriate restrictions, like a young child being accompanied by a parent or guardian? Too restrictive, huh?

Do you have any evidence that there are young kids going to drag shows on their own without their parents? Do you really think the drag brunch in the video you linked to would have just allowed a bunch of kids to walk in without their parents? This simply doesn’t happen.

It’s a solution in search of a problem

And let’s be clear, the activists are not fighting for a “parental accompaniment” restriction. They want this stuff classified as “sexually oriented,” and kids to be legally excluded, parent or no.

I think we would all agree that the venues/shows should warn parents about content. We just don’t want conservative viewpoints being the basis of a law that says more liberal parents can’t even make a decision for themselves.
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Old 16th December 2022, 09:40 PM   #262
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Uhh...it is a drag show, as this thread is devoted to. It was posted to Twitter with association to the activist group noted in the OP. Children were allowed to attend, with supervision.

I think that covers it.
So it was incidental was it.

Are you saying the video was not intended to further any point you were making.
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Old 16th December 2022, 09:49 PM   #263
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I really love the predictability of some of these responses.
Just as we really appreciate the predictability of you echoing currently fashionable right wing talking points.
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First, numerous liberals will express that they do not want any age-appropriate restrictions on any events/materials. Essentially attempting to invalidate all of the concerns that conservatives have for their own children.
Had anyone here suggested that?????..

We're saying don't restrict events purely on the basis that they are drag shows.

And incidentally, many conservatives also oppose age restrictions to events saying it a parents prerogative to decide.

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Do you have any evidence that there are young kids going to drag shows on their own without their parents? Do you really think the drag brunch in the video you linked to would have just allowed a bunch of kids to walk in without their parents? This simply doesn’t happen.

It’s a solution in search of a problem

And let’s be clear, the activists are not fighting for a “parental accompaniment” restriction. They want this stuff classified as “sexually oriented,” and kids to be legally excluded, parent or no.

I think we would all agree that the venues/shows should warn parents about content. We just don’t want conservative viewpoints being the basis of a law that says more liberal parents can’t even make a decision for themselves.
Exactly!

I've seen about a dozen drag shows and every single one was at a nightclub which you couldn't even get in the front door unless you were 21. Every single one.

Where exactly are young children seeing drag shows? And what exactly would the harm be if they did? I notice that Warp refuses to address these questions.

Warp reminds me of The Music Man

Trouble. Oh we got trouble
Right here in River City
With a capital "T" and that rhymes with "P" and that stands for pool

We've surely got trouble
Right here in River City
Gotta figure out a way to keep the young ones moral after school
Our children's children gonna have trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble.


How are you not clutching pearls making something out of nothing?

Please demonstrate there is actually a problem as opposed to fomenting hatred and bigotry.
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Again, what exactly is the problem with children attending a drag show, one which doesn't include sexually explicit material?
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And yes, anyone who wants to ban children from going into any kind of drag show is motivated by bigotry and not by concern for the welfare of children.
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Where exactly are young children seeing drag shows?
There are drag events which are tailored to be family friendly.

Also there was an incident, Warp showed the video, of a mother who took her child to a sexually explicit event, despite being told in clear terms by the organiser that the material was not suitable for children.

There is no harm to children at all in seeing a drag act, provided it does not contain sexually explicit material.
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Just as we really appreciate the predictability of you echoing currently fashionable right wing talking points.


Had anyone here suggested that?????..

We're saying don't restrict events purely on the basis that they are drag shows.

And incidentally, many conservatives also oppose age restrictions to events saying it a parents prerogative to decide.
It is, of course, one of the ironies of modern politics that so many conservatives will rally behind a pistol-packing dominatrix when she dilates on the dangers of a liberal nanny state. Wrap it in red white and blue and "there oughtta be a law" becomes the cry of freedom.
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Warp gets turned on by drag performers so he is worried his kids will too? Just saying...
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Who said that might not be an issue? But this is a thread about drag shows/events, many of which are aimed directly at children.

Well that doesn't work.

"Show me the shows your worried about"

"Here's a show with explicit sexual content"

"That show had a warning for parents"

"Oh, I'm talking about drag shows aimed at children"
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It never ceases to amaze me that those who complain the loudest about their 'freedoms', about 'personal responsibility' and keeping the government out of their private lives are also those who are demanding government control of women's reproduction, banning books not to their personal approval in school libraries, CRT being taught in schools when it's not, forbidding teachers to discuss anything related to non-straight, non-cisgender people, and a host of other things. Hypocrisy, thy name is right-wing.
I admire your capacity for amazement.

It's been a long time since I've been amazed by Warp12 and his fellow travellers doing stuff like that.
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Now just hold on. Warp said that numerous libberulz WILL express stuff he and I don't like. He didn't say they had yet, so him and me we don't need to come up with no leftie namby pansy evidence!

Something else you liberal stinkos better ponder: If you spam that GOD-fearing Texas site, there's ways you can be traced back along the inner net all the way to your moms' basements. You might hear a little knock or two on your door some evening, n it won't be Santy Clause.

That's tellin em, right, Warp? Muh?
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TIL in Texas, you can take a child to a restricted movie. You can't do that around here, restricted means over 18 only, no exceptions.

I'n no stranger to laughing at weird woke **** and I've been following this "issue" for a while now. It's been rather disappointing with the lack of, or poor quality of, examples of dragsters getting all sexual with children.

There's a bit in here. Feminist Current: Why do children need ‘Drag Queen Story Hour’? but it's not much and there's probably no higher incidences of dragsters doing pedo that there is of sports coaches doing pedo.

I seriously doubt drag is turning kids gay or trans however I am open to the idea that trans might be the new Anorexia nervosa.
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Age appropriate by whose opinion?
And does that apply to bring married off?
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There are drag events which are tailored to be family friendly.

Also there was an incident, Warp showed the video, of a mother who took her child to a sexually explicit event, despite being told in clear terms by the organiser that the material was not suitable for children.

There is no harm to children at all in seeing a drag act, provided it does not contain sexually explicit material.
I'm sure there are. But it is highly unlikely an 8 year old is going to stumble upon it.

But seeing Some Like it Hot did not make me want to undergo sexual reassignment.
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I wish "antifa" was as big as Radical Right talking heads make them out to be. So there will be more of them to defend these events from domestic terrorists hiding behind freedom of assembly.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
But seeing Some Like it Hot make me want to undergo sexual reassignment.
Any excuse to leave the theater.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I'm sure there are. But it is highly unlikely an 8 year old is going to stumble upon it.

But seeing Some Like it Hot did not make me want to undergo sexual reassignment.
Interesting reference, because I saw Some Like it Hot when it first came out, and I was about 11 or 12; and though I was soon to become a disgustingly horny adolescent who would, if not constrained by ethics and shyness, have done just about anything with just about anybody, I also recall that I was always pretty firmly in the cisgendered heterosexual camp, and Jack Lemmon and Tony Curtis in drag did not steer me away, nor did the machine gunning violence turn me into a mass murderer, nor were my poor raging hormones derailed by the ending, which I thought then and still think was just good and funny.
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