Can the Dems retain the House Speaker??! - Page 3

dudalb · 3rd January 2023, 06:54 PM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

No. The only time a Democrat should vote for an R is to permanently disbar them from any office.

SO you want one party rule in the US.Nice.

Craig4 · 3rd January 2023, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

SO you want one party rule in the US.Nice.

We already have only one party actually governing.

Craig4 · 3rd January 2023, 07:09 PM

The Dems could cut Kev off at the knees and either leave the chamber or vote "present". This lowers the threshold for number of votes required. Retaining the Speaker's Gavel aside, Kev being beholden to the Democratic Conference is the best possible outcome for the Dems. McCarthy might as well walk on over and hand both his balls to Jefferies at that point. The upside is that he can safely forget the concessions he made to the Monkey ******* a Football caucus of his own party. The down side for ol' Kev is that the world knows he got the speakership with the permission of the Democrats.

Hercules56 · 3rd January 2023, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

The Dems could cut Kev off at the knees and either leave the chamber or vote "present". This lowers the threshold for number of votes required. Retaining the Speaker's Gavel aside, Kev being beholden to the Democratic Conference is the best possible outcome for the Dems. McCarthy might as well walk on over and hand both his balls to Jefferies at that point. The upside is that he can safely forget the concessions he made to the Monkey ******* a Football caucus of his own party. The down side for ol' Kev is that the world knows he got the speakership with the permission of the Democrats.

What would the Dems get in exchange for this massive favor?

Hercules56 · 3rd January 2023, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

SO you want one party rule in the US.Nice.

Oh spare us, the GOP want full control just as much.

Tero · 3rd January 2023, 07:14 PM

McCarthy or someone like him can only clear this in a couple of days with Democrat votes for the speaker. This would only happen if Democrats get one or two committee head position. Horrors, a coalition gov't in the US!

Craig4 · 3rd January 2023, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

What would the Dems get in exchange for this massive favor?

With the knowledge that they won't be there a second time if he's challenged, they get Kev's balls. More specifically, they get leverage over the Speaker to prevent some of the concessions he mad to the nutjobs.

acbytesla · 3rd January 2023, 07:28 PM

In the meantime, a woman of color is in charge of the House of Representatives.

Them bigots in the GOP must find this unbearable.

dudalb · 3rd January 2023, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Tero

McCarthy or someone like him can only clear this in a couple of days with Democrat votes for the speaker. This would only happen if Democrats get one or two committee head position. Horrors, a coalition gov't in the US!

McCarthy would lose a lot of GOP votes he now has if he did that.
The US is NOT a Euro style Parliamentary system, coalition would not work.

Random · 3rd January 2023, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Tero

McCarthy or someone like him can only clear this in a couple of days with Democrat votes for the speaker. This would only happen if Democrats get one or two committee head position. Horrors, a coalition gov't in the US!

Not gonna happen. McCarthy has been pre-emptively caving to the wacko right caucus with promises for months. At this point, there is nothing he could offer Democrats for their votes that would not cause him to lose even more votes from the right.

All the Dems have to do is show up, vote Jeffries, and watch the GOP rip itself to pieces. What could McCarthy offer that would beat that and let him keep his GOP votes?

*Ninja'd*

Beelzebuddy · 3rd January 2023, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

What would the Dems get in exchange for this massive favor?

Lucy will promise not to yank the football away this time. Pinky swear. Honest.

The amazing thing is how easily centrists can talk themselves into falling for it over and over and over again.

TellyKNeasuss · 3rd January 2023, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

The Speaker doesn't have to be a member.

Having been "quiet fired" from my job at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Environmental Modeling Center for having had the temerity to have lived on this Earth for too many years, I have plenty of free time. How much does the job pay? It's a pretty short commute from where I live to the Capitol.

Quote:

Some MAGATs have proposed electing Trump.

Should this happen, I'd hate to be the person who has to tell Trump that he doesn't get to vote on anything, he only gets to chair the sessions.

smartcooky · 3rd January 2023, 08:11 PM

If they can't get this sorted real soon, then Cheryl Johnson, the Clerk of the House, will become the presiding officer when Congress convenes.

Athyrio · 3rd January 2023, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

In the meantime, a woman of color is in charge of the House of Representatives.

Them bigots in the GOP must find this unbearable.

How does this work? I thought Pelosi would remain SOTH until a successor was chosen. If Biden and Harris both croaked today, who gets to be POTUS?

later/ I posted the above only a minute after reading acbytesla's post and clearly see that had not Pelosi been reelected, there would not have been a sitting SOTH. So I still want to know who would be Prez today if the first two were suddenly not here.

I never thought of this situation before.

sackett · 3rd January 2023, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

I was surprised they were allowed to adjourn. I thought they couldn't even do that?

They aren't the College of Cardinals, although gradually cutting off their food if they don't get down to biz would be a neat idea. And their heat, and wifi, and hot water in the washroom, and, natch, their pay.

Maybe draw lots and strip them one by one to their underwear? Nah, too cruel. To the TV audience I mean.

acbytesla · 3rd January 2023, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Athyrio

How does this work? I thought Pelosi would remain SOTH until a successor was chosen. If Biden and Harris both croaked today, who gets to be POTUS?

later/ I posted the above only a minute after reading acbytesla's post and clearly see that had not Pelosi been reelected, there would not have been a sitting SOTH. So I still want to know who would be Prez today if the first two were suddenly not here.

I never thought of this situation before.

Actually, that's not true. This is a new session. Every session begins with the election of the Speaker. There is no Speaker until one is elected. When one is elected the outgoing Speaker (Pelosi) presents the new Speaker with the gavel. This is simply ceremony.

The clerk of the House runs the show and is in charge of keeping order. She calls the session into order and performs the roll call. The clerk was appointed by Pelosi and certainly will be replaced by the incoming Speaker.

acbytesla · 3rd January 2023, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by sackett

They aren't the College of Cardinals, although gradually cutting off their food if they don't get down to biz would be a neat idea. And their heat, and wifi, and hot water in the washroom, and, natch, their pay.

Maybe draw lots and strip them one by one to their underwear? Nah, too cruel. To the TV audience I mean.

You're right. After further reading I discovered it took two months once to elect a Speaker.

acbytesla · 3rd January 2023, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

McCarthy would lose a lot of GOP votes he now has if he did that.
The US is NOT a Euro style Parliamentary system, coalition would not work.

What makes you think it will work with the cast of clowns the GOP is playing with?

Athyrio · 3rd January 2023, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Actually, that's not true. This is a new session. Every session begins with the election of the Speaker. There is no Speaker until one is elected. When one is elected the outgoing Speaker (Pelosi) presents the new Speaker with the gavel. This is simply ceremony.

The clerk of the House runs the show and is in charge of keeping order. She calls the session into order and performs the roll call. The clerk was appointed by Pelosi and certainly will be replaced by the incoming Speaker.

Soooo……. who gets to be President if Biden and Harris keel over today?

lobosrul5 · 3rd January 2023, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Athyrio

Soooo……. who gets to be President if Biden and Harris keel over today?

Kiefer Sutherland of course.

acbytesla · 3rd January 2023, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Athyrio

Soooo……. who gets to be President if Biden and Harris keel over today?

Patty Murray; Senate Pro Temp
from Washington State.

Regnad Kcin · 3rd January 2023, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by shemp

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Athyrio · 3rd January 2023, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Athyrio
Soooo……. who gets to be President if Biden and Harris keel over today?

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Patty Murray; Senate Pro Temp
from Washington State.

Thanks. I had no luck trying to google the answer. So the President would be Democrat instead of a Republican because they can’t get their act together.

Norman Alexander · 3rd January 2023, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by sackett

They aren't the College of Cardinals, although gradually cutting off their food if they don't get down to biz would be a neat idea. And their heat, and wifi, and hot water in the washroom, and, natch, their pay.

Maybe draw lots and strip them one by one to their underwear? Nah, too cruel. To the TV audience I mean.

Vote them off the island one by one.

acbytesla · 3rd January 2023, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Athyrio

Originally Posted by Athyrio
[hilite]Soooo……. who gets to be President if Biden and Harris keel over today?[/hilite

Thanks. I had no luck trying to google the answer. So the President would be Democrat instead of a Republican because they can’t get their act together.

Current line of succession

No. Office[3] Incumbent Party
1 Vice President Kamala Harris Democratic
Speaker of the House of Representatives vacant
2 President pro tempore of the Senate Patty Murray Democratic
3 Secretary of State Antony Blinken Democratic
4 Secretary of the Treasury Janet Yellen Democratic
5 Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin Unknown
6 Attorney General Merrick Garland Unknown
7 Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland Democratic
8 Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack Democratic
9 Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo Democratic
10 Secretary of Labor Marty Walsh Democratic
11 Secretary of Health and Human Services Xavier Becerra Democratic
12 Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Marcia Fudge Democratic
13 Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg Democratic
–[A] Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm Democratic
14 Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona Democratic
15 Secretary of Veterans Affairs Denis McDonough Democratic
–[A] Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas Democratic

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit..._of_succession

Orphia Nay · 3rd January 2023, 09:41 PM

McCarthy has Trump's backing, yet the rebel Trumpian republicans don't vote for him. They really haven't a brain cell between them.

acbytesla · 3rd January 2023, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

McCarthy has Trump's backing, yet the rebel Trumpian republicans don't vote for him. They really haven't a brain cell between them.

McCarthy has Trump's backing. But Trump doesn't have a vote.

I also believe even the MAGA politicians have had it with Trump. They go along with Trump for utility purposes. This is about their own personal power going forward.

The Great Zaganza · 3rd January 2023, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

McCarthy would lose a lot of GOP votes he now has if he did that.
The US is NOT a Euro style Parliamentary system, coalition would not work.

so you agree that the US parliamentary systems IS a One Party Rule - just that the Party in charge can with elections.

smartcooky · 3rd January 2023, 10:36 PM

I'm finding the implosion of the GOP House absolutely delicious to watch... I'll need to duck out soon before the supermarket closes to get more popcorn!

... oh, and the late night TV hosts (Jimmy Kimmel, Seth Meyers, Stephen Colbert etc) are having a field day!

Susheel · 3rd January 2023, 10:50 PM

I believe that the schadenfreude that the Dems feel will be short-lived. There is a good chance that the deplorables will ultimately all compromise on one who might represent them the best...possibly Jim Jordan and then it will be back to business...."owning the libz" and hobbling the Presidency.

Armitage72 · 3rd January 2023, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss

Should this happen, I'd hate to be the person who has to tell Trump that he doesn't get to vote on anything, he only gets to chair the sessions.

The idea presented at one point was for Trump to be elected Speaker of the House, and then the Republicans would impeach President Biden and Vice President Harris, putting him back in the White House. Fortunately, they didn't win enough seats in November for it to be a possibility.

acbytesla · 3rd January 2023, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

I'm finding the implosion of the GOP House absolutely delicious to watch... I'll need to duck out soon before the supermarket closes to get more popcorn!

... oh, and the late night TV hosts (Jimmy Kimmel, Seth Meyers, Stephen Colbert etc) are having a field day!

Originally Posted by Susheel

I believe that the schadenfreude that the Dems feel will be short-lived. There is a good chance that the deplorables will ultimately all compromise on one who might represent them the best...possibly Jim Jordan and then it will be back to business...."owning the libz" and hobbling the Presidency.

Jordan doesn’t want it. He has said so on many occasions. That's a big job and I don’t think he wants to work that hard.

I do agree that this will end and the do nothing Republicans will be hard at work at that. They will focus their efforts at making Biden and the Dems look bad. This of course will be bad for America. Might be bad for Ukraine. The next two years are likely going to be horrible.

Gulliver Foyle · 3rd January 2023, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

SO you want one party rule in the US.Nice.

No, I just don't think that your country should allow a party which openly consorts with enemy foreign nations to exist.

The Don · 3rd January 2023, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

What would the Dems get in exchange for this massive favor?

Nothing.

Or more specifically, they couldn't trust the Republicans to hold up their end of any deal. As soon as Kevin is in the chair, any deal would be forgotten.

jimbob · 4th January 2023, 01:17 AM

I like this take from scrutable.

https://scrutable.science/viewtopic....141189#p141193

Quote:

It’s such a crying shame.

If only the “Stupid Evil” and the “Crazy Evil” could just recognise that what unites them outweighs the petty things that divide them, then they could come together as one and work together for the Greater Evil and make this imperfect world a true Hell-on-Earth.

Continues for another couple of paragraphs

a_unique_person · 4th January 2023, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

I now regret my previous statement. I have no idea how this ends with McCarthy wining. It would require right-wing nutjobs agreeing that maybe things would just be better if they went along with the crowd and there is no way right-wing nutjobs are going to do that.

This will be the moment they sell out to the elites.

Bob001 · 4th January 2023, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by Athyrio

......
Thanks. I had no luck trying to google the answer. So the President would be Democrat instead of a Republican because they can’t get their act together.

There are regular, if half-hearted, efforts to change the line. It doesn't make much sense that the loss of the President and VP, however unlikely, could result in an abrupt change of the party in the White House. There are also concerns about the fitness of some of these guys. For a period of about 20 years, Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd traded the title. Both were known to be well into senility in their later years.

The Don · 4th January 2023, 02:10 AM

It is clear at this stage what the "rebels" want ?

Do they really want Jim Jeffreys as speaker (even though he himself does not want the role) ? Do they instead want more concessions of the type mentioned upthread in terms of Biden impeachment, Fauci to have his pension removed (and/or be imprisoned) and for them to get prime committee positions (and even be the majority on those committees) ?

Are they instead just throwing their toys out of the pram, for no particular reason, just because they can and because it gets them publicity ?

3point14 · 4th January 2023, 02:25 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

It is clear at this stage what the "rebels" want ?

Do they really want Jim Jeffreys as speaker (even though he himself does not want the role) ? Do they instead want more concessions of the type mentioned upthread in terms of Biden impeachment, Fauci to have his pension removed (and/or be imprisoned) and for them to get prime committee positions (and even be the majority on those committees) ?

Are they instead just throwing their toys out of the pram, for no particular reason, just because they can and because it gets them publicity ?

They, and their supporters want government not to happen so the rich can rule over the poor without any pesky regulations.

Government not happening is the goal, surely?

Stacyhs · 4th January 2023, 02:39 AM

Dangling even the very most remote possibility that Jeffries would be voted Speaker is like someone putting his hand out with a piece of bread to a starving person and then yanking it away only to eat it himself. This can be such a cruel world.

On the other hand, watching McCarthy's face as he was going down for the third time is rather like a starving person getting handed a full steak dinner with all the trimmings.

3rd January 2023, 06:54 PM	#81
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle No. The only time a Democrat should vote for an R is to permanently disbar them from any office. SO you want one party rule in the US.Nice.
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3rd January 2023, 06:57 PM	#82
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 26,497	Originally Posted by dudalb SO you want one party rule in the US.Nice. We already have only one party actually governing.
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3rd January 2023, 07:09 PM	#83
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 26,497	The Dems could cut Kev off at the knees and either leave the chamber or vote "present". This lowers the threshold for number of votes required. Retaining the Speaker's Gavel aside, Kev being beholden to the Democratic Conference is the best possible outcome for the Dems. McCarthy might as well walk on over and hand both his balls to Jefferies at that point. The upside is that he can safely forget the concessions he made to the Monkey ******* a Football caucus of his own party. The down side for ol' Kev is that the world knows he got the speakership with the permission of the Democrats.
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3rd January 2023, 07:14 PM	#86
Tero Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 2,924	McCarthy or someone like him can only clear this in a couple of days with Democrat votes for the speaker. This would only happen if Democrats get one or two committee head position. Horrors, a coalition gov't in the US!
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3rd January 2023, 07:25 PM	#87
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 26,497	Originally Posted by Hercules56 What would the Dems get in exchange for this massive favor? With the knowledge that they won't be there a second time if he's challenged, they get Kev's balls. More specifically, they get leverage over the Speaker to prevent some of the concessions he mad to the nutjobs.
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3rd January 2023, 07:11 PM	#84
Hercules56 Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,985	Originally Posted by Craig4 The Dems could cut Kev off at the knees and either leave the chamber or vote "present". This lowers the threshold for number of votes required. Retaining the Speaker's Gavel aside, Kev being beholden to the Democratic Conference is the best possible outcome for the Dems. McCarthy might as well walk on over and hand both his balls to Jefferies at that point. The upside is that he can safely forget the concessions he made to the Monkey ******* a Football caucus of his own party. The down side for ol' Kev is that the world knows he got the speakership with the permission of the Democrats. What would the Dems get in exchange for this massive favor?

3rd January 2023, 07:12 PM	#85
Hercules56 Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,985	Originally Posted by dudalb SO you want one party rule in the US.Nice. Oh spare us, the GOP want full control just as much.

3rd January 2023, 07:28 PM	#88
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,383	In the meantime, a woman of color is in charge of the House of Representatives. Them bigots in the GOP must find this unbearable.
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3rd January 2023, 07:35 PM	#89
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	Originally Posted by Tero McCarthy or someone like him can only clear this in a couple of days with Democrat votes for the speaker. This would only happen if Democrats get one or two committee head position. Horrors, a coalition gov't in the US! McCarthy would lose a lot of GOP votes he now has if he did that. The US is NOT a Euro style Parliamentary system, coalition would not work.
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3rd January 2023, 07:38 PM	#90
Random Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,557	Originally Posted by Tero McCarthy or someone like him can only clear this in a couple of days with Democrat votes for the speaker. This would only happen if Democrats get one or two committee head position. Horrors, a coalition gov't in the US! Not gonna happen. McCarthy has been pre-emptively caving to the wacko right caucus with promises for months. At this point, there is nothing he could offer Democrats for their votes that would not cause him to lose even more votes from the right. All the Dems have to do is show up, vote Jeffries, and watch the GOP rip itself to pieces. What could McCarthy offer that would beat that and let him keep his GOP votes? Ninja'd
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3rd January 2023, 08:06 PM	#91
Beelzebuddy Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 9,272	Originally Posted by Hercules56 What would the Dems get in exchange for this massive favor? Lucy will promise not to yank the football away this time. Pinky swear. Honest. The amazing thing is how easily centrists can talk themselves into falling for it over and over and over again.
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3rd January 2023, 08:08 PM	#92
TellyKNeasuss Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,929	Originally Posted by Bob001 The Speaker doesn't have to be a member. Having been "quiet fired" from my job at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Environmental Modeling Center for having had the temerity to have lived on this Earth for too many years, I have plenty of free time. How much does the job pay? It's a pretty short commute from where I live to the Capitol. Quote: Some MAGATs have proposed electing Trump. Should this happen, I'd hate to be the person who has to tell Trump that he doesn't get to vote on anything, he only gets to chair the sessions.
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3rd January 2023, 08:11 PM	#93
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3rd January 2023, 08:11 PM	#94
Athyrio Hipster Doofus Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nutsack, FL Posts: 2,445	Originally Posted by acbytesla In the meantime, a woman of color is in charge of the House of Representatives. Them bigots in the GOP must find this unbearable. How does this work? I thought Pelosi would remain SOTH until a successor was chosen. If Biden and Harris both croaked today, who gets to be POTUS? later/ I posted the above only a minute after reading acbytesla's post and clearly see that had not Pelosi been reelected, there would not have been a sitting SOTH. So I still want to know who would be Prez today if the first two were suddenly not here. I never thought of this situation before.
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3rd January 2023, 08:21 PM	#95
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 8,160	Originally Posted by acbytesla I was surprised they were allowed to adjourn. I thought they couldn't even do that? They aren't the College of Cardinals, although gradually cutting off their food if they don't get down to biz would be a neat idea. And their heat, and wifi, and hot water in the washroom, and, natch, their pay. Maybe draw lots and strip them one by one to their underwear? Nah, too cruel. To the TV audience I mean.
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3rd January 2023, 08:37 PM	#96
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,383	Originally Posted by Athyrio How does this work? I thought Pelosi would remain SOTH until a successor was chosen. If Biden and Harris both croaked today, who gets to be POTUS? later/ I posted the above only a minute after reading acbytesla's post and clearly see that had not Pelosi been reelected, there would not have been a sitting SOTH. So I still want to know who would be Prez today if the first two were suddenly not here. I never thought of this situation before. Actually, that's not true. This is a new session. Every session begins with the election of the Speaker. There is no Speaker until one is elected. When one is elected the outgoing Speaker (Pelosi) presents the new Speaker with the gavel. This is simply ceremony. The clerk of the House runs the show and is in charge of keeping order. She calls the session into order and performs the roll call. The clerk was appointed by Pelosi and certainly will be replaced by the incoming Speaker.
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3rd January 2023, 08:40 PM	#97
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,383	Originally Posted by sackett They aren't the College of Cardinals, although gradually cutting off their food if they don't get down to biz would be a neat idea. And their heat, and wifi, and hot water in the washroom, and, natch, their pay. Maybe draw lots and strip them one by one to their underwear? Nah, too cruel. To the TV audience I mean. You're right. After further reading I discovered it took two months once to elect a Speaker.
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3rd January 2023, 08:41 PM	#98
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,383	Originally Posted by dudalb McCarthy would lose a lot of GOP votes he now has if he did that. The US is NOT a Euro style Parliamentary system, coalition would not work. What makes you think it will work with the cast of clowns the GOP is playing with?
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3rd January 2023, 08:44 PM	#99
Athyrio Hipster Doofus Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nutsack, FL Posts: 2,445	Originally Posted by acbytesla Actually, that's not true. This is a new session. Every session begins with the election of the Speaker. There is no Speaker until one is elected. When one is elected the outgoing Speaker (Pelosi) presents the new Speaker with the gavel. This is simply ceremony. The clerk of the House runs the show and is in charge of keeping order. She calls the session into order and performs the roll call. The clerk was appointed by Pelosi and certainly will be replaced by the incoming Speaker. Soooo……. who gets to be President if Biden and Harris keel over today?
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3rd January 2023, 08:45 PM	#100
lobosrul5 Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 4,127	Originally Posted by Athyrio Soooo……. who gets to be President if Biden and Harris keel over today? Kiefer Sutherland of course.
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3rd January 2023, 08:59 PM	#101
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,383	Originally Posted by Athyrio Soooo……. who gets to be President if Biden and Harris keel over today? Patty Murray; Senate Pro Temp from Washington State.
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3rd January 2023, 09:06 PM	#102
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,754	Originally Posted by shemp More like a **** show in slow motion. The vote is slow and tedious, but it makes good television. If this goes past 9 ballots, I'll throw my hat in the ring! SHEMP’S HAT - 2023 - Adore a fedora!
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3rd January 2023, 09:21 PM	#103
Athyrio Hipster Doofus Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nutsack, FL Posts: 2,445	Originally Posted by Athyrio Soooo……. who gets to be President if Biden and Harris keel over today? Originally Posted by acbytesla Patty Murray; Senate Pro Temp from Washington State. Thanks. I had no luck trying to google the answer. So the President would be Democrat instead of a Republican because they can’t get their act together.
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3rd January 2023, 09:22 PM	#104
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,622	Originally Posted by sackett They aren't the College of Cardinals, although gradually cutting off their food if they don't get down to biz would be a neat idea. And their heat, and wifi, and hot water in the washroom, and, natch, their pay. Maybe draw lots and strip them one by one to their underwear? Nah, too cruel. To the TV audience I mean. Vote them off the island one by one.
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3rd January 2023, 09:28 PM	#105
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,383	Originally Posted by Athyrio Originally Posted by Athyrio [hilite]Soooo……. who gets to be President if Biden and Harris keel over today?[/hilite Thanks. I had no luck trying to google the answer. So the President would be Democrat instead of a Republican because they can’t get their act together. Current line of succession No. Office[3] Incumbent Party 1 Vice President Kamala Harris Democratic Speaker of the House of Representatives vacant 2 President pro tempore of the Senate Patty Murray Democratic 3 Secretary of State Antony Blinken Democratic 4 Secretary of the Treasury Janet Yellen Democratic 5 Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin Unknown 6 Attorney General Merrick Garland Unknown 7 Secretary of the Interior Deb Haaland Democratic 8 Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack Democratic 9 Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo Democratic 10 Secretary of Labor Marty Walsh Democratic 11 Secretary of Health and Human Services Xavier Becerra Democratic 12 Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Marcia Fudge Democratic 13 Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg Democratic –[A] Secretary of Energy Jennifer Granholm Democratic 14 Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona Democratic 15 Secretary of Veterans Affairs Denis McDonough Democratic –[A] Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas Democratic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit..._of_succession
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3rd January 2023, 09:41 PM	#106
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Photo Contest Winner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 41,219	McCarthy has Trump's backing, yet the rebel Trumpian republicans don't vote for him. They really haven't a brain cell between them.
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3rd January 2023, 10:22 PM	#107
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,383	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay McCarthy has Trump's backing, yet the rebel Trumpian republicans don't vote for him. They really haven't a brain cell between them. McCarthy has Trump's backing. But Trump doesn't have a vote. I also believe even the MAGA politicians have had it with Trump. They go along with Trump for utility purposes. This is about their own personal power going forward.
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3rd January 2023, 10:24 PM	#108
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,306	Originally Posted by dudalb McCarthy would lose a lot of GOP votes he now has if he did that. The US is NOT a Euro style Parliamentary system, coalition would not work. so you agree that the US parliamentary systems IS a One Party Rule - just that the Party in charge can with elections.
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3rd January 2023, 10:36 PM	#109
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 22,868	I'm finding the implosion of the GOP House absolutely delicious to watch... I'll need to duck out soon before the supermarket closes to get more popcorn! ... oh, and the late night TV hosts (Jimmy Kimmel, Seth Meyers, Stephen Colbert etc) are having a field day!
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3rd January 2023, 10:50 PM	#110
Susheel Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 3,040	I believe that the schadenfreude that the Dems feel will be short-lived. There is a good chance that the deplorables will ultimately all compromise on one who might represent them the best...possibly Jim Jordan and then it will be back to business...."owning the libz" and hobbling the Presidency.
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3rd January 2023, 10:57 PM	#111
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,556	Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss Should this happen, I'd hate to be the person who has to tell Trump that he doesn't get to vote on anything, he only gets to chair the sessions. The idea presented at one point was for Trump to be elected Speaker of the House, and then the Republicans would impeach President Biden and Vice President Harris, putting him back in the White House. Fortunately, they didn't win enough seats in November for it to be a possibility.

3rd January 2023, 11:07 PM	#112
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,383	Originally Posted by smartcooky I'm finding the implosion of the GOP House absolutely delicious to watch... I'll need to duck out soon before the supermarket closes to get more popcorn! ... oh, and the late night TV hosts (Jimmy Kimmel, Seth Meyers, Stephen Colbert etc) are having a field day! Originally Posted by Susheel I believe that the schadenfreude that the Dems feel will be short-lived. There is a good chance that the deplorables will ultimately all compromise on one who might represent them the best...possibly Jim Jordan and then it will be back to business...."owning the libz" and hobbling the Presidency. Jordan doesn’t want it. He has said so on many occasions. That's a big job and I don’t think he wants to work that hard. I do agree that this will end and the do nothing Republicans will be hard at work at that. They will focus their efforts at making Biden and the Dems look bad. This of course will be bad for America. Might be bad for Ukraine. The next two years are likely going to be horrible.
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3rd January 2023, 11:34 PM	#113
Gulliver Foyle Muse Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 969	Originally Posted by dudalb SO you want one party rule in the US.Nice. No, I just don't think that your country should allow a party which openly consorts with enemy foreign nations to exist.

3rd January 2023, 11:57 PM	#114
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 35,968	Originally Posted by Hercules56 What would the Dems get in exchange for this massive favor? Nothing. Or more specifically, they couldn't trust the Republicans to hold up their end of any deal. As soon as Kevin is in the chair, any deal would be forgotten.

4th January 2023, 01:17 AM	#115
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 28,553	I like this take from scrutable. https://scrutable.science/viewtopic....141189#p141193 Quote: It’s such a crying shame. If only the “Stupid Evil” and the “Crazy Evil” could just recognise that what unites them outweighs the petty things that divide them, then they could come together as one and work together for the Greater Evil and make this imperfect world a true Hell-on-Earth. Continues for another couple of paragraphs
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