Can the Dems retain the House Speaker??! - Page 5

Nosi · 4th January 2023, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Tero

To get the remaining 19 he must agree to impeach Biden next week. And cancel Fauci's pension.

Don't give 'em ideas!

Nosi · 4th January 2023, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

I do believe, that eventually, if no speaker is elected, the US goes into default and the world will enter a great depression. Hopefully there are 19 dems that will compromise rather than see the world burn.

Liz Cheney as speaker would be kinda hilarious.

ETA: and no, the speaker does not have to be a current member of congress.

Cheney's chaos agent enough to do it!

Nosi · 4th January 2023, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by crescent

Have the R's offered any compromises to the Dems?

no!

TellyKNeasuss · 4th January 2023, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

4th vote lost.

Who do I send my resume to?

Nosi · 4th January 2023, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

We already have only one party actually governing.

lobosrul5 · 4th January 2023, 12:36 PM

5th vote lost.

Nosi · 4th January 2023, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Athyrio

Soooo……. who gets to be President if Biden and Harris keel over today?

A poster above said that the speaker-ship is passed over when the gavel is, so until Republicans get their

together, the ball and presidency would be in Pelosi's court if Biden and Harris croaked.

Nosi · 4th January 2023, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

McCarthy has Trump's backing, yet the rebel Trumpian republicans don't vote for him. They really haven't a brain cell between them.

Trump may be losing his hold on the Republican Party, as more and more slide over to DeSantis.

timhau · 4th January 2023, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by sackett

Suppose the Democrats agree to elect Whistlebritches if he and his GOP supporters in turn agree to specific conditions publicly and in writing. Yes, political deal-making out in the open and documented, for all voters to see. This Great January Accord would not be law, it would be a contract between honorable men to pursue the public good.

Rethuglican treachery and false dealing would of course follow, but it could never be defended as policy, or as anything honest. It would at last be seen as open black-shirted thuggery, unworthy of any man who had ever sworn an oath of office.

... or just lauded as smart politics by the faithful. You're working under the illusion that they are capable of feeling shame.

thaiboxerken · 4th January 2023, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

SO you want one party rule in the US.Nice.

It's adorable that you believe the Democratic Party is just one party.

Norman Alexander · 4th January 2023, 12:47 PM

And the fifth round progresses...same as the previous four.

Apart from the R recalcitrants, everyone knows this has descended beyond farce, beyond tinpot and banana republic silliness and has now reached patent lunacy. Trump has weighed in and told the GQP to "knock it off" and elect McCarhy. But Boebert, thinking she is echoing "her favourite president" has nominated somebody else. Meanwhile, EmptyG, a "hardliner" is voting FOR Kev. The fighting in the back seat of the jalopy to insanity and irrelevance is epic. Who is Donny going to rouse on now!

ETA: (and ninja'd) 5th round over, still no result.

The Don · 4th January 2023, 12:47 PM

Will the whole party now be forced to select a Freedom Caucus member as speaker - forcing the Party even further to the right and ensuring that the next two years is devoted to pointless distractions ?

Norman Alexander · 4th January 2023, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by timhau

... or just lauded as smart politics by the faithful. You're working under the illusion that they are capable of feeling shame.

Or honour, or honesty.

Nosi · 4th January 2023, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

I'm not familiar with the full cast of decenters, but with Greene, Boebert, and Gaetz I think there needs to be only one more hardline decenter and McCarthy is screwed.

I think Greene is in the McCarthy camp.

TheGoldcountry · 4th January 2023, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy

Lucy will promise not to yank the football away this time. Pinky swear. Honest.

The amazing thing is how easily centrists can talk themselves into falling for it over and over and over again.

I consider myself to be a centrist and I would laugh at anyone who trusted the Republicans to wipe their own asses if they thought not doing so would piss off the Democrats.

I can barely type the word "trust" without starting to laugh.

Norman Alexander · 4th January 2023, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry

I consider myself to be a centrist and I would laugh at anyone who trusted the Republicans to wipe their own asses if they thought not doing so would piss off the Democrats.

I can barely type the word "trust" without starting to laugh.

Their one consistency is that they cannot be trusted. All negotiations with them MUST have that basis.

crescent · 4th January 2023, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Nosi

I think Greene is in the McCarthy camp.

She is. Boebert has stated that McCarthy offered Greene good committee assignments to get her on board, suggesting that Greene is only doing this for that reason. Greene denies this - Greene and Boebert hate each other.

Nosi · 4th January 2023, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Attachment 47604

From elsewhere

Hercules56 · 4th January 2023, 01:05 PM

AOC has suggested that in exchange for keeping some committee chair seats some Democrats could vote for McCarthy or simply not vote so that he can win.

Norman Alexander · 4th January 2023, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

AOC has suggested that in exchange for keeping some committee chair seats some Democrats could vote for McCarthy or simply not vote so that he can win.

Reference, please.

acbytesla · 4th January 2023, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

AOC has suggested that in exchange for keeping some committee chair seats some Democrats could vote for McCarthy or simply not vote so that he can win.

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Reference, please.

I saw her on video saying that last night. But it wasn’t like she expected anything like that to happen. She said it was up to McCarthy.

Norman Alexander · 4th January 2023, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Originally Posted by Hercules56

AOC has suggested that in exchange for keeping some committee chair seats some Democrats could vote for McCarthy or simply not vote so that he can win.

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Reference, please.

I saw her on video saying that last night. But it wasn’t like she expected anything like that to happen. She said it was up to McCarthy.

Ah! So it was just another Boebert running-off-at-the-mouth moment. Thanks, had not seen that here.

sackett · 4th January 2023, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Random

The GOP does not care about how they look. Shamelessness is their superpower.

This is true of the professional pols, of course, but they can fool themselves; that's how power corrupts. The public cares how they look and how they act. I think that increasing numbers of republican civilians, i.e., voters, are growing disgusted with their ostensible leaders.

Also, I think that any known deal with the dems will further split the GQP. That'd be a Good Thing in itself. They love to hate. Let them hate each other.

sackett · 4th January 2023, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Nosi

The black woman who's being the house clerk and running the show at the moment in the House is a Pelosi pick.

What?☆??!?● Well goddammit, what more proof do you need?@#◇¿

Bar the manicades!

Random · 4th January 2023, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by sackett

This is true of the professional pols, of course, but they can fool themselves; that's how power corrupts. The public cares how they look and how they act. I think that increasing numbers of republican civilians, i.e., voters, are growing disgusted with their ostensible leaders.

Also, I think that any known deal with the dems will further split the GQP. That'd be a Good Thing in itself. They love to hate. Let them hate each other.
Wikipedia.org

Speaking as someone who has been waiting for GOP voters to snap out of it since the Iraq war went to ****, this is not going to be the thing that does it. This situation will be resolved one way or the other, and the GOP will go right back to bashing Dems because it is all they have.

sackett · 4th January 2023, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Random

Speaking as someone who has been waiting for GOP voters to snap out of it since the Iraq war went to ****, this is not going to be the thing that does it. This situation will be resolved one way or the other, and the GOP will go right back to bashing Dems because it is all they have.

My playhouse was already flimsy enough. Now you're knocking it down.

But if this current fandango makes no impression on the core Gooey Old Pissodnas (you can't expect to make an impression on solid bone), it sure & hell isn't doing them any good. There still is, I maintain, such a thing as public opinion.

dudalb · 4th January 2023, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by jimbob

Until the GOP changes, you have to ask why any hypothetical Republican of good intent is still supporting the party. It's not the Party of Reagn; hell, it's not even the party of Nixon.

I don't know what the hell the GOP has become, franklym exept incompetent.
I have to clarify my one party comment; I was commenting on an individual suggestion that the Dems should disqualify all GOP house members from holding office. That sounds pretty dictorial to me..and I am wierd, I don;t like authoratrainism of any stripe.

dudalb · 4th January 2023, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by crescent

She is. Boebert has stated that McCarthy offered Greene good committee assignments to get her on board, suggesting that Greene is only doing this for that reason. Greene denies this - Greene and Boebert hate each other.

Best catfight in ages.
THough if McCarthry promised Greene good commitee seats, I can see many GOPers shaking their heads since they do not want MTG to have a large profile.

acbytesla · 4th January 2023, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Ah! So it was just another Boebert running-off-at-the-mouth moment. Thanks, had not seen that here.

She wasn’t being serious. The interviewer was asking her hypotheticals if McCarthy came to the Democrats asking for help. As in what it might take. She basically said she didn't know, but that McCarthy would have to offer something.

This is a situation where an out of context remark is turned into a headline. I don't think AOC was actually suggesting that McCarthy should be buying the Democrats help.

acbytesla · 4th January 2023, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Best catfight in ages.
THough if McCarthry promised Greene good commitee seats, I can see many GOPers shaking their heads since they do not want MTG to have a large profile.

Five elections, number six coming up

Norman Alexander · 4th January 2023, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Ah! So it was just another Boebert running-off-at-the-mouth moment. Thanks, had not seen that here.

Originally Posted by acbytesla

She wasn’t being serious. The interviewer was asking her hypotheticals if McCarthy came to the Democrats asking for help. As in what it might take. She basically said she didn't know, but that McCarthy would have to offer something.

This is a situation where an out of context remark is turned into a headline. I don't think AOC was actually suggesting that McCarthy should be buying the Democrats help.

BLAST! I wrote "Boebert" instead of "AOC". Was concentrating on another subject. I'll let my comments stand.

crescent · 4th January 2023, 02:04 PM

Boebert has called upon "the president" to tell McCarthy to give it up:

Quote:

“The president needs to tell Kevin McCarthy that, ‘Sir, you do not have the votes and it’s time to withdraw,’” Boebert said, drawing an audible response from her colleagues on the House floor.

In true Boebert fashion, "the president" that she is referring to is Trump, not Biden.

Upchurch · 4th January 2023, 02:07 PM

I mean, two days ago, I could not envision a scenario where McCarthy didn't end up as the Speaker. Today, I literally have no idea how this ends.

acbytesla · 4th January 2023, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

I mean, two days ago, I could not envision a scenario where McCarthy didn't end up as the Speaker. Today, I literally have no idea how this ends.

It took two months to elect a Speaker in 1859.

The Don · 4th January 2023, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

I mean, two days ago, I could not envision a scenario where McCarthy didn't end up as the Speaker. Today, I literally have no idea how this ends.

With McCarthy as speaker but the Freedom Caucus in charge ?

With a Freedom Caucus candidate as speaker ?

Edited to add....

Either way the GOP will be controlled by a dozen or so Party extremists.

Stacyhs · 4th January 2023, 02:17 PM

SIX failed attempts so elect a Speaker so far.

This comment by Republican Rep. Kat Cammack made while nominating McCarthy (again) is a real head scratcher:

"Diversity of thought is a good thing. But they want us divided. They want us to fight each other. That much has been made clear by the popcorn and blankets and alcohol that has come in over there."

Does this moron really think the Dems are sitting in the House and voting while eating popcorn and drinking alcohol? MORON.

The Don · 4th January 2023, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

SIX failed attempts so elect a Speaker so far.

This comment by Republican Rep. Kat Cammack made while nominating McCarthy (again) is a real head scratcher:

"Diversity of thought is a good thing. But they want us divided. They want us to fight each other. That much has been made clear by the popcorn and blankets and alcohol that has come in over there."

Does this moron really think the Dems are sitting in the House and voting while eating popcorn and drinking alcohol? MORON.

Maybe, but he's sure that Republican voters will.

shemp · 4th January 2023, 02:22 PM

I hope this **** show (or fecal festival) goes on every day for the next two ******* years.

Mike! · 4th January 2023, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

Maybe, but he's sure that Republican voters will.

He's a she. She tried invoking Saint Ronnie too, to what I assume were boos. It sure wasn't applause.

Segnosaur · 4th January 2023, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

Will the whole party now be forced to select a Freedom Caucus member as speaker - forcing the Party even further to the right and ensuring that the next two years is devoted to pointless distractions ?

The bigger question, will anyone notice the difference between a republican party with a freedom caucus member as speaker, and one where McCarthy is speaker?

After all, McCarthy seemed to be quite willing to let the wingnuts run the show before... No action against Greene or Gozar after rather questionable activities on their part, groveling to Trump after the Jan6 terrorist attack.

4th January 2023, 12:14 PM	#161
Nosi Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,976	Originally Posted by Tero To get the remaining 19 he must agree to impeach Biden next week. And cancel Fauci's pension. Don't give 'em ideas!
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4th January 2023, 12:15 PM	#162
Nosi Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,976	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 I do believe, that eventually, if no speaker is elected, the US goes into default and the world will enter a great depression. Hopefully there are 19 dems that will compromise rather than see the world burn. Liz Cheney as speaker would be kinda hilarious. ETA: and no, the speaker does not have to be a current member of congress. Cheney's chaos agent enough to do it!
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4th January 2023, 12:17 PM	#163
Nosi Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,976	Originally Posted by crescent Have the R's offered any compromises to the Dems? no!
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TellyKNeasuss Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,929	Originally Posted by Darat 4th vote lost. Who do I send my resume to?
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4th January 2023, 12:21 PM	#165
Nosi Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,976	Originally Posted by Craig4 We already have only one party actually governing.
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4th January 2023, 12:36 PM	#166
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4th January 2023, 12:36 PM	#167
Nosi Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,976	Originally Posted by Athyrio Soooo……. who gets to be President if Biden and Harris keel over today? A poster above said that the speaker-ship is passed over when the gavel is, so until Republicans get their together, the ball and presidency would be in Pelosi's court if Biden and Harris croaked.
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Nosi Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,976	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay McCarthy has Trump's backing, yet the rebel Trumpian republicans don't vote for him. They really haven't a brain cell between them. Trump may be losing his hold on the Republican Party, as more and more slide over to DeSantis.
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timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: Looks like Finland. Smells like Finland. Quacks like Finland. Where the hell am I? Posts: 15,097	Originally Posted by sackett Suppose the Democrats agree to elect Whistlebritches if he and his GOP supporters in turn agree to specific conditions publicly and in writing. Yes, political deal-making out in the open and documented, for all voters to see. This Great January Accord would not be law, it would be a contract between honorable men to pursue the public good. Rethuglican treachery and false dealing would of course follow, but it could never be defended as policy, or as anything honest. It would at last be seen as open black-shirted thuggery, unworthy of any man who had ever sworn an oath of office. ... or just lauded as smart politics by the faithful. You're working under the illusion that they are capable of feeling shame.
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thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 32,473	Originally Posted by dudalb SO you want one party rule in the US.Nice. It's adorable that you believe the Democratic Party is just one party.
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4th January 2023, 12:47 PM	#171
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,622	And the fifth round progresses...same as the previous four. Apart from the R recalcitrants, everyone knows this has descended beyond farce, beyond tinpot and banana republic silliness and has now reached patent lunacy. Trump has weighed in and told the GQP to "knock it off" and elect McCarhy. But Boebert, thinking she is echoing "her favourite president" has nominated somebody else. Meanwhile, EmptyG, a "hardliner" is voting FOR Kev. The fighting in the back seat of the jalopy to insanity and irrelevance is epic. Who is Donny going to rouse on now! ETA: (and ninja'd) 5th round over, still no result.
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The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 35,968	Will the whole party now be forced to select a Freedom Caucus member as speaker - forcing the Party even further to the right and ensuring that the next two years is devoted to pointless distractions ?
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Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,622	Originally Posted by timhau ... or just lauded as smart politics by the faithful. You're working under the illusion that they are capable of feeling shame. Or honour, or honesty.
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Nosi Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,976	Originally Posted by Upchurch I'm not familiar with the full cast of decenters, but with Greene, Boebert, and Gaetz I think there needs to be only one more hardline decenter and McCarthy is screwed. I think Greene is in the McCarthy camp.
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4th January 2023, 12:52 PM	#175
TheGoldcountry Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 7,362	Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy Lucy will promise not to yank the football away this time. Pinky swear. Honest. The amazing thing is how easily centrists can talk themselves into falling for it over and over and over again. I consider myself to be a centrist and I would laugh at anyone who trusted the Republicans to wipe their own asses if they thought not doing so would piss off the Democrats. I can barely type the word "trust" without starting to laugh.
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Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,622	Originally Posted by TheGoldcountry I consider myself to be a centrist and I would laugh at anyone who trusted the Republicans to wipe their own asses if they thought not doing so would piss off the Democrats. I can barely type the word "trust" without starting to laugh. Their one consistency is that they cannot be trusted. All negotiations with them MUST have that basis.
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4th January 2023, 12:58 PM	#177
crescent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,287	Originally Posted by Nosi I think Greene is in the McCarthy camp. She is. Boebert has stated that McCarthy offered Greene good committee assignments to get her on board, suggesting that Greene is only doing this for that reason. Greene denies this - Greene and Boebert hate each other.

4th January 2023, 01:03 PM	#178
Nosi Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,976	Originally Posted by jimbob Attachment 47604 From elsewhere
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4th January 2023, 01:05 PM	#179
Hercules56 Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,985	AOC has suggested that in exchange for keeping some committee chair seats some Democrats could vote for McCarthy or simply not vote so that he can win.

4th January 2023, 01:10 PM	#180
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,622	Originally Posted by Hercules56 AOC has suggested that in exchange for keeping some committee chair seats some Democrats could vote for McCarthy or simply not vote so that he can win. Reference, please.
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4th January 2023, 01:16 PM	#181
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,383	Originally Posted by Hercules56 AOC has suggested that in exchange for keeping some committee chair seats some Democrats could vote for McCarthy or simply not vote so that he can win. Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Reference, please. I saw her on video saying that last night. But it wasn’t like she expected anything like that to happen. She said it was up to McCarthy.
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4th January 2023, 01:24 PM	#182
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,622	Originally Posted by acbytesla Originally Posted by Hercules56 AOC has suggested that in exchange for keeping some committee chair seats some Democrats could vote for McCarthy or simply not vote so that he can win. Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Reference, please. I saw her on video saying that last night. But it wasn’t like she expected anything like that to happen. She said it was up to McCarthy. Ah! So it was just another Boebert running-off-at-the-mouth moment. Thanks, had not seen that here.
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4th January 2023, 01:31 PM	#183
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 8,160	Originally Posted by Random The GOP does not care about how they look. Shamelessness is their superpower. This is true of the professional pols, of course, but they can fool themselves; that's how power corrupts. The public cares how they look and how they act. I think that increasing numbers of republican civilians, i.e., voters, are growing disgusted with their ostensible leaders. Also, I think that any known deal with the dems will further split the GQP. That'd be a Good Thing in itself. They love to hate. Let them hate each other.
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sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 8,160	¤}°《♧■! Originally Posted by Nosi The black woman who's being the house clerk and running the show at the moment in the House is a Pelosi pick. What?☆??!?● Well goddammit, what more proof do you need?@#◇¿ Bar the manicades!
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4th January 2023, 01:37 PM	#185
Random Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,556	Originally Posted by sackett This is true of the professional pols, of course, but they can fool themselves; that's how power corrupts. The public cares how they look and how they act. I think that increasing numbers of republican civilians, i.e., voters, are growing disgusted with their ostensible leaders. Also, I think that any known deal with the dems will further split the GQP. That'd be a Good Thing in itself. They love to hate. Let them hate each other. Wikipedia.org Speaking as someone who has been waiting for GOP voters to snap out of it since the Iraq war went to ****, this is not going to be the thing that does it. This situation will be resolved one way or the other, and the GOP will go right back to bashing Dems because it is all they have.
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4th January 2023, 01:49 PM	#186
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 8,160	Aw gee Originally Posted by Random Speaking as someone who has been waiting for GOP voters to snap out of it since the Iraq war went to ****, this is not going to be the thing that does it. This situation will be resolved one way or the other, and the GOP will go right back to bashing Dems because it is all they have. My playhouse was already flimsy enough. Now you're knocking it down. But if this current fandango makes no impression on the core Gooey Old Pissodnas (you can't expect to make an impression on solid bone), it sure & hell isn't doing them any good. There still is, I maintain, such a thing as public opinion.
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4th January 2023, 01:49 PM	#187
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	Originally Posted by jimbob Until the GOP changes, you have to ask why any hypothetical Republican of good intent is still supporting the party. It's not the Party of Reagn; hell, it's not even the party of Nixon. I don't know what the hell the GOP has become, franklym exept incompetent. I have to clarify my one party comment; I was commenting on an individual suggestion that the Dems should disqualify all GOP house members from holding office. That sounds pretty dictorial to me..and I am wierd, I don;t like authoratrainism of any stripe.
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4th January 2023, 01:51 PM	#188
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,211	Originally Posted by crescent She is. Boebert has stated that McCarthy offered Greene good committee assignments to get her on board, suggesting that Greene is only doing this for that reason. Greene denies this - Greene and Boebert hate each other. Best catfight in ages. THough if McCarthry promised Greene good commitee seats, I can see many GOPers shaking their heads since they do not want MTG to have a large profile.
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4th January 2023, 01:53 PM	#189
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,383	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Ah! So it was just another Boebert running-off-at-the-mouth moment. Thanks, had not seen that here. She wasn’t being serious. The interviewer was asking her hypotheticals if McCarthy came to the Democrats asking for help. As in what it might take. She basically said she didn't know, but that McCarthy would have to offer something. This is a situation where an out of context remark is turned into a headline. I don't think AOC was actually suggesting that McCarthy should be buying the Democrats help.
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4th January 2023, 02:02 PM	#190
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,383	Originally Posted by dudalb Best catfight in ages. THough if McCarthry promised Greene good commitee seats, I can see many GOPers shaking their heads since they do not want MTG to have a large profile. Five elections, number six coming up
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4th January 2023, 02:03 PM	#191
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 13,622	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Ah! So it was just another Boebert running-off-at-the-mouth moment. Thanks, had not seen that here. Originally Posted by acbytesla She wasn’t being serious. The interviewer was asking her hypotheticals if McCarthy came to the Democrats asking for help. As in what it might take. She basically said she didn't know, but that McCarthy would have to offer something. This is a situation where an out of context remark is turned into a headline. I don't think AOC was actually suggesting that McCarthy should be buying the Democrats help. BLAST! I wrote "Boebert" instead of "AOC". Was concentrating on another subject. I'll let my comments stand.
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4th January 2023, 02:04 PM	#192
crescent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,287	Boebert has called upon "the president" to tell McCarthy to give it up: Quote: “The president needs to tell Kevin McCarthy that, ‘Sir, you do not have the votes and it’s time to withdraw,’” Boebert said, drawing an audible response from her colleagues on the House floor. In true Boebert fashion, "the president" that she is referring to is Trump, not Biden.

4th January 2023, 02:07 PM	#193
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,430	I mean, two days ago, I could not envision a scenario where McCarthy didn't end up as the Speaker. Today, I literally have no idea how this ends.
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4th January 2023, 02:12 PM	#194
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 31,383	Originally Posted by Upchurch I mean, two days ago, I could not envision a scenario where McCarthy didn't end up as the Speaker. Today, I literally have no idea how this ends. It took two months to elect a Speaker in 1859.
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4th January 2023, 02:14 PM	#195
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 35,968	Originally Posted by Upchurch I mean, two days ago, I could not envision a scenario where McCarthy didn't end up as the Speaker. Today, I literally have no idea how this ends. With McCarthy as speaker but the Freedom Caucus in charge ? With a Freedom Caucus candidate as speaker ? Edited to add.... Either way the GOP will be controlled by a dozen or so Party extremists.
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